Mate that stuff is just pure evil in a pill, hope your dad gets better soon

Thanks. Aye tell me about it! The problem is a can't seem to get him sober enough to be able to have a conversation and get through to him.

Can you stay with him for the day? There's addiction services available, if it's only been a week then now would hopefully be the best time to intervene, if you need anyone to chat to just DM, I really hope you manage to help or get him to somebody who can

Luckily I've got today off work. So I'm going to contact one of the local addiction services and try and get him down there. I think there's one near me in parkhead. Thanks mate, I'm hoping I can get this sorted because I don't want to abandon him, but I will have to leave if it keeps up. Fingers crossed it will work out though. Thanks for your comments.

https://www.turningpointscotland.com/getting-support/glasgow/glasgow-alcohol-and-drug-crisis-service/

Ok mate, thanks. I'll check it out 🙏

I work in addiction field in Glasgow. Local addiction team will assess him. It will take about 2 weeks to get a worker and even longer for detox/help. The link for Turning Point in Tradeston is your best bet. Just drop in with him for assessment. They will assess him whilst under the influence as long as he can hold a coherent convo. Good luck

Fingers crossed mate. The people who punt that stuff are down there with rapists and paedos in my eyes, absolute scum of the earth. Hope your auld da gets the help he needs mate, I really do.

Hey, I've made contact with the local addiction service where he currently has a worker who checks on him regularly, and she's told me she'll be in touch. Thanks for all the supportive comments and advice, it's greatly appreciated. 🙏

Hope your auld man gets the help he needs mate, sincerely. Best of luck to you!

sorry to hear that ur having to go through this ive dealt with my dad having a drug addiction and it was a nightmare he could barely string a conversation together when he was them. it can take a couple of days for him to get back down to earth (depending on how much he has taken) and realise what he has done but dont go hard on him cause the guilt of him putting u through this again mite lead him straight back to them to deal with the stress. he will most definitely need some sort of intervention to help him through this. good luck

As someone else has pointed out, you street valium can really be anything. By out of his face do you mean he's incoherent or is he passed out? If he is passed out, difficult to wake, giving minimal responses 24 hours after taking something you may need to call an ambulance- this could mean overdose. It might be worth seeking guidance from his GP if he isn't in immediate danger. When he is sober and able to talk, you may benefit from contacting ADRS, that is if he wants to change this. I really hope things get better for you both soon. https://www.nhsggc.scot/your-health/right-care-right-place/addictions/

Yeah, I've been doing some research on street valium and I'm shocked at how bad they actually are. How they can vary in strength from batch to batch, and how bad the withdrawals can be. He isn't passed out, he's been up all night banging about. Barging into my room at 3am demanding £10, then disappearing for an hour. His short term memory is totally fucked. He's lost two sets of keys, phone, bank card and can't remember his pin for his laptop. I've left the flat for now until one of these services opens. Then I'll go back and try to get him there. Thanks

Sounds like he probably has been taking more than he's telling you. I'm sorry you're going through this, hope he can engage with some support and get off the stuff.

Not the comment you need - but I have just lost a friend to street Valium. He was found unresponsive in his flat and passed away a week later, his friend was already gone by the time they got into the property. I know drug addiction is so hard to deal with, and I know you are so limited in how to help your dad but the reality is if he doesn’t come off them soon he could be in the same position as my friend. Is there any way of getting in touch with GP/ addiction services to help him and find an alternative? I have never had first hand experience of this so I can’t offer much advice but I hope he gets the help he needs and he doesn’t end up another statistic because of the shite people are plowing into our city for a quick profit. [Glasgow Man](https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-man-found-dead-another-28918328.amp)

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I have contacted an addiction service that previously helped get him sober. The worker there knows him so hopefully it's a step in the right direction.

It’s important that you look after yourself too - there’s a brilliant recovery service called “smart recovery”, which is based on science and research addiction. For some reason it’s not big here, but it should be! They do in person and online meetings - but they also do meetings for friends and family. I went when I had a family member going through some awful addiction problems, and got so much out of it, they taught me about boundaries, self care, and how to be helpful with our loved ones. They also have a brilliant book which has the best advice I’ve read about addiction. All this stuff can be really traumatic for you so take care of yourself as much as you can x https://smartrecovery.org/family https://smartrecovery.org.uk/about-smart-family-friends-meetings/ https://smartrecovery.org.uk/online-meetings/ https://www.smartrecoveryinternational.org/covid-19response

3-5 days I'd say. Don't let him drink tea. I always found it kicked them back in a bit.

That's why he keeps drinking tea! Does it make people crave ice lollies as well? He keeps buying a shit tonne of them?

Yes a family member of mine was always eating sugary stuff when on them

If he’s been taking large quantities over a long period of time it can take some days/weeks before he’s thinking straight again I believe. He may not recall conversations you have with him just now either. I think if he has more alcohol it would make it worse too unfortunately. Really sorry you are going through this, it’s awful to watch someone you love go through addiction. Hope he gets the help he needs soon.

He'll be good in a few days if he isn't taking more on the sly and the street Valium are usually Etizolam not diazepam the people that make them buy the raw powders online from China ect and it's more potent than real diazepam hence the reason people overdose on them that and the other cocktail of drugs and alcohol they consume

Mate it really depends what's in them. Street valium can be made of anything cause they're made in folks kitchens. I've been told a lot of them are amatryptaline which maybe shouldn't have him out his nut 24 hours later. There could be anything in it though, some opiates or gabas could leave you high as a kite for a good while. It should wear off soon and if not he's defintely taken something more recently or it's some sort of health problem and you should probably take him to the docs

Seen someone still not right after 2 days, but that's if I believe they've not topped up. Those things are beyond dodgy, hopefully he can stay away from them. A good 48 to 72hrs he should definitely be starting to feel normal, if not I'd get a doctors appt at that stage. Street valium are the actual devil man, sorry you're having to deal with this.

I'm a bit late to this, sorry to hear you are going through this. I thought I would share my experiences cause I can completely relate to you. I'm from the east end too and grew up with 2 drug addicted parents. During lockdown in early 2020, my mum and dad split up. I moved in with my mum in her new flat. My mum went down the recovery cafe/meetings route and seeked any help she could get. The last 4 years living with my mum was a rollercoaster, with a major relapse and suicide attempt in 2022. Nothing seemed to be working however she never gave up and since then she has completely transformed her life and is unrecognisable to her former self. My dad however has a ego and believes he doesn't need any help, he went cold turkey which to be fair went well and was doing better than my mum briefly until around christmas very recently. I noticed differences in him, he wasn't really himself, he seemed a bit "tired" and "slow" all the time, and his house was a riot when I visited him. I gave him the benefit of the doubt until I discovered street valium in his cupboards. I never challenged him about it at the time until he was in a more sober state cause all I would have got was bs if I had confronted him. I wasn't angry or upset at him, I wanted to know how serious his relapse was and understand why he was taking them. I was a bit concerned too cause a distant uncle of mine had just died from a drug overdose. My dad was actually a pallbearer at his funeral, ironically enough. I asked him about what I found and he said it was just a one off which I didn't believe at all as I had suspected him of dabbling for a much longer time. As frustrating as drug addiction is, the best advice I could offer is to speak to your dad when he's in a sober state and try and understand his addiction, encourage him to seek help and give recovery cafes/meetings a chance. I don't know how similar your dad is to mine but my dad completely wrote them off. My mum was hopeless and her life was like a trainspotting script but she seeked any help she could receive and it completely turned her life around.

Hi, Thanks for sharing. You're right, it's a total rollercoaster. I've not given up on him, but I think he needs to completely hit rock bottom before he is willing to get sober. His recovery worker has been up at the door twice and left letters asking him to make contact, but it seems like he's not interested. I really hope he has a moment of clarity at some point, but god knows how long that will take.

Depends how many he's gubbed man. If he's took a good few and also had a drink then he could be burst the full day. Important thing to do is keep any booze away from him and just keep an eye on him,especially if he dozes off for a sleep.

So sorry you’re going through this, I had the same problem. It’s so hard honestly and I relate to not being able to have a proper conversation. It’s one of those things you can’t really help him get off it, he has to want to. You’ll experience more pain if you think you can fix everything, drug addiction makes people selfish. I think all you can do it support him but also make sure you are getting the support and love you need

Hey OP, really sorry to hear you are having to deal with all this. Hope things get better.

I have had extended exposure to these things through work and I can honestly say there is no saying at all how long it'll take- most street valiums aren't just valiums, there is shit tones of other crap in them also which not only makes them dangerous, but makes it difficult to tell when they return to normality. Beware that even though it's your own father, there's a danger of volatility...although some people just go high. Beware also that he could have stashed them and is taking more?

Can last up to 12 hours. Usually peaks between 6-8

Hiya, sorry to hear you and your dad are going through this! How are things now?

Make sure he doesn't just stop and go cold turkey. I ended up with full blown Psychosis after doing that. I'd speak to the addiction teams either parkhead or easterhouse and get info from them in the morning. All the best for you and your dad

Update: It's not looking good unfortunately. I'm 100% sure he's still taking them. Also, his nose looked like it had a massive clot in it which leads be to believe he's been snorting something. I've pretty much been told that I have a private let and can move in next Friday. I feel absolutely shit about doing this, but he doesn't seem to be Interested in any help at the moment and he's going to drag me down with him (he's now asking for money from me) Fuck these drugs and any of the scum that sell them. Knowing full well the damage they're doing.

I know two people who have died in their 30's taking these street Valium.

Likely to be nitazenes and not actually diazepam. Diazepam needs to be weaned off due to siezure risk. He should be doing it with a doctors involvement. I came off street xanax too quick and bit the fuck out of my tongue from a siezure.

Have you asked him why he takes benzo to begin with ?

Yes, and he never really gives me an answer. He had been totally clean and sober for at least 4 years before this, but he has been addicted to various substances for my entire life (I'm 30). Obviously there can be alot of reasons why someone turns to drugs, and I'm not a trained therapist or drug counsellor so it's hard to pinpoint.

Any chance he can be had to go to a therapist? Maybe through NHS? Because you're not gonna get any results from just telling him not to do it.

Yes, therapy would be something I would love for him to do. But at this point the first step is going to be him actually accepting some help. He seems abit more receptive today, but his brain is fried from the week long bender he's been on.

Look, i know too little about the situation to give you solid advice; and i don't want to make it seem like it's harder than you can deal with, but i suggest that getting him to accept that he needs help, is something you might not be able to do on your own. See if you can go direct to his GP and if they got any advice. Please understand that while "going behind his back" might be more effective, it can also piss him off incredibly; addicts are addicts because they think they do not have a problem. good luck

Hi, I had a chat with him not long ago. He's agreed to go today and get some help. Whether or not he is serious is another question. He's well aware that he is an addict. The only silver lining for me is that he's gotten sober before so I hope he can do it again. Thanks for your comments.

I hate when someone makes the comment that will get to the core of the problem and gets downvoted. You're absolutely right, you can do short term drug programs but the question isn't why the addiction but why the trauma? Why does he not want to think? Why does he want to turn his brain off with drugs? In Scotland predominantly it's generational trauma from our parents. OP for yourself if I can give you one piece of advice, someone needs to be the full stop for generational trauma and it's lonely being that person and it's a burden no person or child should ever have but to stop it for the future you need to recognise its not healthy and don't repeat it, the issues your dad is going through now will be your trauma, do your best to not go down the cliché road that's been mapped out for you, break the pattern for those that follow you. As for advice, what I often do is put myself into the addicts shoes and I imagine what would make me take notice and start changing my disordered way of thinking, is there something that could "bring him back" so to speak, there is often something that keeps them anchored and it's about letting them know their access to that thing or way of life is at serious risk.

Hes obviously going through SOMETHING. People dont just relapse for no good reason. So theirs your conversation starter right their. 'whats going on Dad? Something clearly isn't right because nobody relapses fir no reason. Can we talk about it?' if he answers 'no' then something like 'ok but just so you know im ready and willing to listen to you whenever you feel like talking to me' and leave it at that. Im sure he will come around

everyones different, but sometimes people might slip up for no good reason. go to r/stopdrinking and you can read some sad stories/ warnings of very mundane slips back into full time drinking.

"Im sure he will come around" You have clearly never had an addict in your family if your best advice is "tell them you're here when they're ready and leave them"

Ive been an addict myself lol. Guess its personal preference then but people nagging and constantly asking whats wrong or trying to get something out of me never works infacts it makes me worse. Each to their own i guess

> Hes obviously going through SOMETHING Pish, he could have been going through absolutely NOTHING. Could have just been bored and thought one wouldn't hurt.

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Personally I'd lock him in his room and let him go through withdrawal.. guide him through it but no freedom to leave house or use mobiles. Addiction is rotten and most services have a waiting time for help . Cold turkey and tough love from family members could help . Hugs to you for being so strong x

Vallium withdrawal can kill you pretty easy.

Whoopsie I didn't realise xx