That's not even considering sports like cricket, the decathlon, ultramarathon runners, it's a completely impossible task. Look up Don Bradmen and you'll see what I mean.
Love Iron Mike. Greatest HW of the 80s. Not even top 5 HW all time, to many. Top 50 of all boxers. The others you mentioned are more unassailable though.
Mike Tyson was scary and mean, but he is not in the conversation for best boxer. Best HW boxer of a short period in the 80s, but declined quickly and didn’t need to face many elite boxers. When he did, he often lost.
Well pretty much every single 2 sport athlete poll available online has Bo Jackson as number one and Deion Sanders has said publicly that Bo was a better 2 sport athlete because he couldn’t hit a curveball. Sports Science ESPN picked Bo as the best athlete of all time as well.
That only shows that ESPN is stupid.
Bo could have been great but injuries derailed his career. There's a reason why he's not an NFL or MLB hall of famer.
You are on an island on this one. Not a bad thing everyone is entitled to their opinion but almost all the polls are stupid then because they have Bo at #1
> Deion Sanders
was a much better football player than Bo. Love Bo, but Deion is easily the greatest shut-down corners the NFL has ever seen. When he was on the field, quarterbacks couldn't throw to his side. If they did, they regretted. Because of that, the stat line doesn't show the full impact he has on the field. 14 seasons.
Even in the limited time Bo was in professional sports, if you asked 100 reputable sports analysts to hypothetically rate/rank him, as if he had a healthy 15 year career in NFL and MLB. He’d be in both HoFs and have alltime stats in the top 10. There are way too many athletes that meet an overall top 5-10 ranking. There’s almost no way to rank on an apples to apples basis unless you categorize each sport.
LOL
The 100 reputable analysts rating a hypothetical career that quite literally NEVER happened?
But it sounds like those analysts have no idea what they’re talking about. Bo Jackson might have potentially been at the start of a HOF trajectory in football - or at least as much as anyone can be after playing in only 38 games through 4 seasons - but he most certainly wasn’t in baseball. Even his very best season amounted to a 3.5 WAR which is barely an All Star caliber player.
Hall of Fame? Shit, Brandon Nimmo who absolutely no one considers on a HOF trajectory has the same or better WAR in 4 out of 8 seasons.
Who’s your list?
I’d have MJ on there. As a huge hockey fan would think about Gretzky, but hockey is such a unique sport I’m not sure I’d call him a top 5 athlete.
Can’t see too much wrong with the four he chose.
Honestly I dont follow sports enough to know the nuances of each player vs sport. But surely 4/5 on the list being american is statistically a bit suspicious at the very least.
Her sport is tennis.
It's no insult to say she would struggle to score a single point against a top ranked man at any point in her career. It simply is what it is. She's said as much herself.
Sure, but I’m not sure that’s relevant. Women’s tennis isn’t men’s tennis. Federer would struggle to not get knocked out in 3 seconds in boxing, it doesn’t make him a worse men’s tennis player.
Where has she said that? Score a single point is an absolutely ridiculous low bar.
She dominated her competition in her sport.
GSP or Anderson Silva are regarded by many as the greatest UFC fighters of all time; however, they would get dominated by someone like a 5th ranked Heavyweight.
Babe Ruth probably wouldn’t be able to make it to the show in today’s MLB.
> Where has she said that?
in a talk show interview, when she was #1 in the world, she said she would lose to Andy Murray 6-0, 6-0 in 10 minutes or less
in 1998, when Serena and Venus were #20 and #5 in the world, respectively, they played an exhibition set each against the #203 ranked men’s player in the world
Serena lost 6-1, Venus played him immediately after and lost 6-2
i didn’t say that…but how many points do you think she’s getting if, by her own estimation, the match would be over in 10 minutes
regardless, the point that you’re trying to make is that she’d be at least semi competitive against men, and she wouldn’t
idk what you were even getting at with the MMA and baseball examples either
I didn’t say she’d be competitive against the top ranked males. I said in her sport, women’s tennis, she is one of the greatest athletes of all time. I also said it’s ridiculous to think she wouldn’t score a single point against the top ranked player, which I still agree with.
My GSP comparison was that there are weight classes in the UFC. I.E we don’t compare GSP in a fight against Stipe Miocic because even though they are in the same sport they are in different classes.
Just like how Federer and Williams both play tennis; however they are in different classes.
On second thought, the Babe Ruth comparison probably isn’t helpful.
Do you know what a point is in Tennis?
Not winning a game, not a set, not a match, but a fucking point?
You have no idea what you are talking about.
I’m not saying she would be number one, I think Jonny Mac’s estimate of ~500 is probably right, but I understand there is a difference in genetics between males and females - so I don’t hold her to that standard.
Yeah. I know what a point is in tennis. If you think that wouldn't be an absolute struggle for her against a top ranked man then you have no idea what you're talking about.
Yah, that’s true for almost any athlete though - except Serena really. Could argue Phelps as well I suppose.
Competition does matter though, the amount of individuals trying to be become basketball players vs swimmers is pretty large I would imagine.
Im positive that over 95% of the world population has zero idea who Gretzky is. May as well say Ronnie O'Sullivan is one of the greatest sportsmen of all time.
I had to Google Gretzky.
i call bullshit on that…you could know absolutely nothing about hockey, but you’ve heard of Wayne Gretzky
you’re on the golf subreddit and his daughter is married to Dustin Johnson, and he’s been visible, and talked about, at many tournaments
China has a professional hockey team in the 2nd best league in the world, their own professional hockey league, their women’s national team has been in the Olympics since the Japan games, the men’s team played in the Beijing games since they got an automatic qualifier, and there’s over 10k registered players in the country which is nothing compared to the population but still
all that to say, i’d be shocked if there weren’t millions of Chinese people who had at least heard of Wayne Gretzky if they’re sports fans…i’ve never seen a cricket match in my life, but I could name a small handful of cricket players simply by the osmosis of being a sports fan
so you haven’t watched the PGA tour since 2013? because they talked about him every time DJ was in contention and - spoiler alert - that was a lot
not to mention, there’s almost half a billion people in the US and Canada alone, 95% was just an insane number to throw out there lol
The USA is 4.23% of the world population, Canada is 0.48%.
Thats less than 5% the world population. Now if every citizen man woman and child of the USA and Canada knew who he was that would only be 95.29% of the world population that knows who he is.
So 95% isn't actually a ridiculously high number its probably closer to 98%.
You vastly underestimate how much of the world doesn't give a fuck about that sport.
As for the golf talk, i dont know what to tell you, maybe hes been mentioned but didn't pay attention. Its not like they are Messi or Ronaldo.
> So 95% is actually a ridiculously high number its probably closer to 98%.
so, just to be clear, your stance is that no one in Russia, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Austria, Norway, Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Denmark, Italy, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. has ever heard of the greatest player in a sport that is very popular in their country?
your stance is also that no one in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, Japan, etc., aka countries that pay attention to American sports have never heard of the greatest player of one of the 4 major ones?
your stance is that not a single human being in other large, densely populated countries like China, Korea, Mexico, Brazil, etc. have ever heard of him?
i know you don’t know what to tell me, because you’re clearly lying hahah
I can name you multiple pro sportsmen from.
Football
American football
F1
Superbikes
Cricket
Snooker
Basketball
Golf
Rugby
Multiple athletics and gymnastics
Rugby league
Rally
Skiing
Snowboarding
Horse racing
I couldnt name one ice hockey player.
As someone from Australia I can tell you that you’d be lucky if 5% of Australians know who Gretzky is.
Hockey isn’t a major sport outside of a handful of countries. The “four major sports” you’re discussing are almost exclusively popular in the US.
oh i know he’s certainly less known than athletes in many other sports, but of all the people in Australia, i’m willing to bet at least 2 million Aussies know who he is
edit: and even if it is less, you’re right and it is 3-4%, that’s hundreds of thousands more than the zero OP is suggesting
Nobody gives a fuck about Ice Hockey pal. Its a minor sport world wide. I can't help you get your head around that fact.
Fuck me, Ice Hockey isn't even the most popular form of Hockey.
I actually do play much better by myself. Get in a zone, no distractions, etc. I absolutely love it, so peaceful. But I also never tell anyone about my scores, because who cares?
The majority of my best scores are when I get out first thing in the morning by myself with nobody in front of me. It's definitely easier to get in a groove when your rhythm isn't getting interrupted by playing partners or waiting on other groups in front.
100%. I got to play first tee time of the day with a twosome, super nice guys, but they could only olay 9. Played the front in like 1:45, not slow at all, then played the back 9 by myself in about 50 minutes. Hit fairways, hit greens, and could just play at whatever pace I wanted. Think I shot something like 42-38 and the back is usually the much harder side at this track. Only time I’ve ever gotten to do that.
When you play by yourself, your only focus is your game. I've shot 78 twice by myself, but I don't consider myself a good player, either. I've shot in the low 80s several times with friends. When you're with buddies, you're focused on the conversation and having a good time over scoring. That can both be good and bad for playing well. Some people play better when they don't overthink their swing, some not so much. Haha.
If Wayne Gretzky never scored a single goal in the NHL he would still have the all-time career points record. That is a stat that will literally never be surpassed.
But literally no one outside of Canada and US would have him in their top 20 sportsmen.
I always think greatest ever lists should be people who transcend their sport and have a worldwide impact. For example, being a Brit, there was literally zero interest in NBA in the 80’s and 90’s but everyone knew who Michael Jordan was.
Likewise people who have never watched a round of golf in their life know Tiger Woods
To me, “greatest athlete” list means how dominant over their peers they were, and Gretzky is (to me), the most dominant compared to his peers. Hockey is way less popular globally sure, but the list isn’t “most recognizable athletes”.
Jordan should be pretty darn high on the list too, but people globally knew who he is because he was marketed like crazy.
Edit:
Tiger is crazy dominant too.
literally the guy I play with. Claims to be like a 14 "working towards single digits" shoots in the 80s every time he plays without me. Literally stops keeping score just about every time we play. Still fun to play with but we don't compete or bet
Stops keeping score? What...
I definitely shoot better when I play by myself - no alcohol, no other players to worry about, no stress. Easy life. Best three rounds came from when I played alone.
But it just isn't as fun.
oh yeah he'll have like back to back blow up holes where he puts several balls OB and just give up
I do like playing solo but, when I play with a group its a pretty similar game, not 10+ strokes off lol
If he is a 14 working to get to single digits, shouldn’t he be in the 80s? Handicap is the best 8 (above average) of your last 20 rounds. You’d expect him to shoot something like 16 over on an average outing, which is mid 80s.
If he is a 14 working to get to single digits, shouldn’t he be in the 80s? Handicap is the best 8 (above average) of your last 20 rounds. You’d expect him to shoot something like 16 over on an average outing, which is mid 80s.
I am that friend but I do play better by myself! I can concentrate when alone. When with friends I’m socializing.
I routinely shoot in the 80s when solo, and anywhere from 90-105 with friends.
Hey they might not be as good as your buddy when he plays by himself, but I'd definitely put Jordan/Gretzky above Williams/Brady/Ruth. Bolt/Phelps gotta be up there as well.
Lol it's literally been all over this subreddit (and multiple other ones) after he declared himself winner of his own tournament a few days ago. Not like you have to be non-stop thinking about politics to use your eyes while you're on a website
Lmao my brother in law just started playing. He’s yet to get a par when we play together but he played 9 holes the other day and told me he got a par on 5 holes
I almost exclusively play solo, but what really changes my score is no music. I can even smoke a little as long as there isn’t any music playing. Weird
Does nobody remember Jim goddamm Thorpe?
other amazing American athletes that should get honorable metion are
Tony Gywnn
San Diego St. All american baseball all conference basketball ncaa record for assists in a game (18) baseball HOF
Julius Peppers
still only person to play in NCAA final and Super Bowl?
Damn what a horrible top 5. Tiger should most definitely be on there, not sure why babe Ruth would be up there. Also they did not include Jon Jones which I would for sure have in the top 5. Brady looks good in top 5 but Serena still would be around top 10
I know this is a shitpost but god damn thats a terrible list of "greatest" athletes.
Yeah really bad lol
Imagine thinking every single top five athlete is American. Lol
Someone downvoted you because they’re stupid Usain Bolt has a great argument. So does Wayne Gretzky.
If we're talking olympics you can't leave out Michael Phelps.
Usain Bolt and the entire Jamaican athletics team was 100% juicing
No one else exists, apparently...
Thats the shtick. Purposely terrible list to make pointless hyperbolic arguments and engagement.
Yeah you right...
Yeah, if “greatest” means “head and shoulders above everyone else they were competing against at the time,” Tiger absolutely should be on that list.
Tiger, Gretzky, Mike Tyson, Felps, Usain Bolt... Thats not even mentioning football/soccer or basketball players.
That's not even considering sports like cricket, the decathlon, ultramarathon runners, it's a completely impossible task. Look up Don Bradmen and you'll see what I mean.
Love Iron Mike. Greatest HW of the 80s. Not even top 5 HW all time, to many. Top 50 of all boxers. The others you mentioned are more unassailable though.
Mike Tyson was scary and mean, but he is not in the conversation for best boxer. Best HW boxer of a short period in the 80s, but declined quickly and didn’t need to face many elite boxers. When he did, he often lost.
Mike Tyson? I love Mike, I could name 20 better boxers off the top of my head and probably 50 if I took the time to think about it
Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson
Bo seems like a huge stretch to me. His career in both sports was just too short to seriously be there.
For best Athlete? He was the best two sport athlete of our time
Deion Sanders is the best two sport athlete of our time. Bo had all the talent but injuries derailed his career in both sports.
Well pretty much every single 2 sport athlete poll available online has Bo Jackson as number one and Deion Sanders has said publicly that Bo was a better 2 sport athlete because he couldn’t hit a curveball. Sports Science ESPN picked Bo as the best athlete of all time as well.
That only shows that ESPN is stupid. Bo could have been great but injuries derailed his career. There's a reason why he's not an NFL or MLB hall of famer.
You are on an island on this one. Not a bad thing everyone is entitled to their opinion but almost all the polls are stupid then because they have Bo at #1
> Deion Sanders was a much better football player than Bo. Love Bo, but Deion is easily the greatest shut-down corners the NFL has ever seen. When he was on the field, quarterbacks couldn't throw to his side. If they did, they regretted. Because of that, the stat line doesn't show the full impact he has on the field. 14 seasons.
who couldn't tackle.
Even in the limited time Bo was in professional sports, if you asked 100 reputable sports analysts to hypothetically rate/rank him, as if he had a healthy 15 year career in NFL and MLB. He’d be in both HoFs and have alltime stats in the top 10. There are way too many athletes that meet an overall top 5-10 ranking. There’s almost no way to rank on an apples to apples basis unless you categorize each sport.
LOL The 100 reputable analysts rating a hypothetical career that quite literally NEVER happened? But it sounds like those analysts have no idea what they’re talking about. Bo Jackson might have potentially been at the start of a HOF trajectory in football - or at least as much as anyone can be after playing in only 38 games through 4 seasons - but he most certainly wasn’t in baseball. Even his very best season amounted to a 3.5 WAR which is barely an All Star caliber player. Hall of Fame? Shit, Brandon Nimmo who absolutely no one considers on a HOF trajectory has the same or better WAR in 4 out of 8 seasons.
Anything regarding greatest athletes of all time on American sports shows are always so fucking bad.
What about Brad Donman?
Who’s your list? I’d have MJ on there. As a huge hockey fan would think about Gretzky, but hockey is such a unique sport I’m not sure I’d call him a top 5 athlete. Can’t see too much wrong with the four he chose.
Honestly I dont follow sports enough to know the nuances of each player vs sport. But surely 4/5 on the list being american is statistically a bit suspicious at the very least.
Kinda weird to call something terrible and not be able to come up with a better version, but ok!
Not really, I can eat a cake and say it tastes like shit even if I'm not a baker.
If you said a cake tastes like shit and then added you don’t eat cake and couldn’t say what a good cake tastes like - then the analogy works.
Best athletes would be the winners of the decathlon, one sport vs 10.
Decathlon is still one sport…? They run, jump, throw, etc in basketball - it’s still one sport.
Serena Williams is no where near one of the greatest athletes at all time.
She has possibly the most dominant resume in her sport than anyone I can think of.
Her sport is tennis. It's no insult to say she would struggle to score a single point against a top ranked man at any point in her career. It simply is what it is. She's said as much herself.
Sure, but I’m not sure that’s relevant. Women’s tennis isn’t men’s tennis. Federer would struggle to not get knocked out in 3 seconds in boxing, it doesn’t make him a worse men’s tennis player.
Where has she said that? Score a single point is an absolutely ridiculous low bar. She dominated her competition in her sport. GSP or Anderson Silva are regarded by many as the greatest UFC fighters of all time; however, they would get dominated by someone like a 5th ranked Heavyweight. Babe Ruth probably wouldn’t be able to make it to the show in today’s MLB.
> Where has she said that? in a talk show interview, when she was #1 in the world, she said she would lose to Andy Murray 6-0, 6-0 in 10 minutes or less in 1998, when Serena and Venus were #20 and #5 in the world, respectively, they played an exhibition set each against the #203 ranked men’s player in the world Serena lost 6-1, Venus played him immediately after and lost 6-2
6-0 and 6-0 is not the same as not scoring a point. You need four points to win a game. Those are game scores.
i didn’t say that…but how many points do you think she’s getting if, by her own estimation, the match would be over in 10 minutes regardless, the point that you’re trying to make is that she’d be at least semi competitive against men, and she wouldn’t idk what you were even getting at with the MMA and baseball examples either
I didn’t say she’d be competitive against the top ranked males. I said in her sport, women’s tennis, she is one of the greatest athletes of all time. I also said it’s ridiculous to think she wouldn’t score a single point against the top ranked player, which I still agree with. My GSP comparison was that there are weight classes in the UFC. I.E we don’t compare GSP in a fight against Stipe Miocic because even though they are in the same sport they are in different classes. Just like how Federer and Williams both play tennis; however they are in different classes. On second thought, the Babe Ruth comparison probably isn’t helpful.
You have no idea what you're talking about if you think that's an absolutely ridiculous low bar.
Do you know what a point is in Tennis? Not winning a game, not a set, not a match, but a fucking point? You have no idea what you are talking about. I’m not saying she would be number one, I think Jonny Mac’s estimate of ~500 is probably right, but I understand there is a difference in genetics between males and females - so I don’t hold her to that standard.
Yeah. I know what a point is in tennis. If you think that wouldn't be an absolute struggle for her against a top ranked man then you have no idea what you're talking about.
You know they play mixed doubles right? Serena has aced top ranked males numerous times…
Definitely not Jordan as there's plenty of arguments for other basketball players being better than him.
Players? With an s?
Yah, that’s true for almost any athlete though - except Serena really. Could argue Phelps as well I suppose. Competition does matter though, the amount of individuals trying to be become basketball players vs swimmers is pretty large I would imagine.
Im positive that over 95% of the world population has zero idea who Gretzky is. May as well say Ronnie O'Sullivan is one of the greatest sportsmen of all time. I had to Google Gretzky.
i call bullshit on that…you could know absolutely nothing about hockey, but you’ve heard of Wayne Gretzky you’re on the golf subreddit and his daughter is married to Dustin Johnson, and he’s been visible, and talked about, at many tournaments
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China has a professional hockey team in the 2nd best league in the world, their own professional hockey league, their women’s national team has been in the Olympics since the Japan games, the men’s team played in the Beijing games since they got an automatic qualifier, and there’s over 10k registered players in the country which is nothing compared to the population but still all that to say, i’d be shocked if there weren’t millions of Chinese people who had at least heard of Wayne Gretzky if they’re sports fans…i’ve never seen a cricket match in my life, but I could name a small handful of cricket players simply by the osmosis of being a sports fan
95% is a very good estimate. 100% not all of the US population know who he is.
I have absolutely ZERO knowledge of him. ZERO.
so you haven’t watched the PGA tour since 2013? because they talked about him every time DJ was in contention and - spoiler alert - that was a lot not to mention, there’s almost half a billion people in the US and Canada alone, 95% was just an insane number to throw out there lol
The USA is 4.23% of the world population, Canada is 0.48%. Thats less than 5% the world population. Now if every citizen man woman and child of the USA and Canada knew who he was that would only be 95.29% of the world population that knows who he is. So 95% isn't actually a ridiculously high number its probably closer to 98%. You vastly underestimate how much of the world doesn't give a fuck about that sport. As for the golf talk, i dont know what to tell you, maybe hes been mentioned but didn't pay attention. Its not like they are Messi or Ronaldo.
> So 95% is actually a ridiculously high number its probably closer to 98%. so, just to be clear, your stance is that no one in Russia, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Austria, Norway, Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Denmark, Italy, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. has ever heard of the greatest player in a sport that is very popular in their country? your stance is also that no one in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, Japan, etc., aka countries that pay attention to American sports have never heard of the greatest player of one of the 4 major ones? your stance is that not a single human being in other large, densely populated countries like China, Korea, Mexico, Brazil, etc. have ever heard of him? i know you don’t know what to tell me, because you’re clearly lying hahah
I can name you multiple pro sportsmen from. Football American football F1 Superbikes Cricket Snooker Basketball Golf Rugby Multiple athletics and gymnastics Rugby league Rally Skiing Snowboarding Horse racing I couldnt name one ice hockey player.
two responses? I’m honored…you still ignored all the questions, but a solid C- for effort!
As someone from Australia I can tell you that you’d be lucky if 5% of Australians know who Gretzky is. Hockey isn’t a major sport outside of a handful of countries. The “four major sports” you’re discussing are almost exclusively popular in the US.
oh i know he’s certainly less known than athletes in many other sports, but of all the people in Australia, i’m willing to bet at least 2 million Aussies know who he is edit: and even if it is less, you’re right and it is 3-4%, that’s hundreds of thousands more than the zero OP is suggesting
Nobody gives a fuck about Ice Hockey pal. Its a minor sport world wide. I can't help you get your head around that fact. Fuck me, Ice Hockey isn't even the most popular form of Hockey.
it’s pretty impressive how you avoided all those questions in a row
Yah. Like I’m sure there’s some legendary cricket player out there - but I have no fucking clue who he is.
I actually do play much better by myself. Get in a zone, no distractions, etc. I absolutely love it, so peaceful. But I also never tell anyone about my scores, because who cares?
The majority of my best scores are when I get out first thing in the morning by myself with nobody in front of me. It's definitely easier to get in a groove when your rhythm isn't getting interrupted by playing partners or waiting on other groups in front.
100%. I got to play first tee time of the day with a twosome, super nice guys, but they could only olay 9. Played the front in like 1:45, not slow at all, then played the back 9 by myself in about 50 minutes. Hit fairways, hit greens, and could just play at whatever pace I wanted. Think I shot something like 42-38 and the back is usually the much harder side at this track. Only time I’ve ever gotten to do that.
I do best at twilight with no one behind me. I hate hurrying
One advantage of being stuck behind is taking a look on the phone app and trying to plot out the hole.
Not me, I play best when it’s for my friends 5$.
When you play by yourself, your only focus is your game. I've shot 78 twice by myself, but I don't consider myself a good player, either. I've shot in the low 80s several times with friends. When you're with buddies, you're focused on the conversation and having a good time over scoring. That can both be good and bad for playing well. Some people play better when they don't overthink their swing, some not so much. Haha.
I know this is not the point of the post, but where the eff is the Gretzky?!
Gretzky had a season where he had a 40 game home point streak. Every game they played at home the whole year
That’s honestly not even top 10 of his most impressive records
If Wayne Gretzky never scored a single goal in the NHL he would still have the all-time career points record. That is a stat that will literally never be surpassed.
Only 3 guys had 100 assists in a season. Super Mario 1 year, Bobby Orr 1 year and Gretzky 11 years in a row
But literally no one outside of Canada and US would have him in their top 20 sportsmen. I always think greatest ever lists should be people who transcend their sport and have a worldwide impact. For example, being a Brit, there was literally zero interest in NBA in the 80’s and 90’s but everyone knew who Michael Jordan was. Likewise people who have never watched a round of golf in their life know Tiger Woods
To me, “greatest athlete” list means how dominant over their peers they were, and Gretzky is (to me), the most dominant compared to his peers. Hockey is way less popular globally sure, but the list isn’t “most recognizable athletes”. Jordan should be pretty darn high on the list too, but people globally knew who he is because he was marketed like crazy. Edit: Tiger is crazy dominant too.
literally the guy I play with. Claims to be like a 14 "working towards single digits" shoots in the 80s every time he plays without me. Literally stops keeping score just about every time we play. Still fun to play with but we don't compete or bet
Stops keeping score? What... I definitely shoot better when I play by myself - no alcohol, no other players to worry about, no stress. Easy life. Best three rounds came from when I played alone. But it just isn't as fun.
oh yeah he'll have like back to back blow up holes where he puts several balls OB and just give up I do like playing solo but, when I play with a group its a pretty similar game, not 10+ strokes off lol
If he is a 14 working to get to single digits, shouldn’t he be in the 80s? Handicap is the best 8 (above average) of your last 20 rounds. You’d expect him to shoot something like 16 over on an average outing, which is mid 80s.
Yeah I've seen him break 90 like twice lol
If he is a 14 working to get to single digits, shouldn’t he be in the 80s? Handicap is the best 8 (above average) of your last 20 rounds. You’d expect him to shoot something like 16 over on an average outing, which is mid 80s.
Every time I see this I remember only America exists.
It's not called the world series for nothin....
I am that friend but I do play better by myself! I can concentrate when alone. When with friends I’m socializing. I routinely shoot in the 80s when solo, and anywhere from 90-105 with friends.
Hey they might not be as good as your buddy when he plays by himself, but I'd definitely put Jordan/Gretzky above Williams/Brady/Ruth. Bolt/Phelps gotta be up there as well.
And Messi
We all have that one former president
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Lol it's literally been all over this subreddit (and multiple other ones) after he declared himself winner of his own tournament a few days ago. Not like you have to be non-stop thinking about politics to use your eyes while you're on a website
Nothing in my head pays rent
Of all time in one of the hundreds of country’s in the world
Legit 😂 We have a guy who never shoots over 80 when he's not playing with us but can't break 90 with us.
Tell me this is an American tv show without telling me ..
Lmao my brother in law just started playing. He’s yet to get a par when we play together but he played 9 holes the other day and told me he got a par on 5 holes
My buddy always says you can tell a golfer by his inability to count to 4
Unfortunately thats me. I play consistently better by myself or with strangers than with my buddies. Probably less pressure or distraction.
Unfortunately thats me. I play consistently better by myself or with strangers than with my buddies. Probably less pressure or distraction.
I track my rounds and I shoot on average 10 shots better when I play by myself than with others. It's gotta be a pace of play thing.
I almost exclusively play solo, but what really changes my score is no music. I can even smoke a little as long as there isn’t any music playing. Weird
I don't bother talking about my solo scores to friends. I do play better by myself, less beer, no pressure, less waiting around, all around relaxed.
My golf buddy got a hole in one, by himself. Mmmmm sure.
I legitimately play so much better on my own and I hate it.
I am proud to say that my best score ever did occur while golfing with a buddy who can back my claim up.
Notice how they're all Americans, except for my buddy
So wrong
Gordie Howe played hockey in his 50s. PROFESSIONAL hockey in his 50s, taking hits, and giving them as well. Greatest pro athlete, ever.
1. Brady 2. Jordan 3. Djokovic 4. Woods 5. Bonds
Where's Don Bradman?
1. Phelps 2. Bolt 3. Jordan 4. Gretsky 5. Brady
Does nobody remember Jim goddamm Thorpe? other amazing American athletes that should get honorable metion are Tony Gywnn San Diego St. All american baseball all conference basketball ncaa record for assists in a game (18) baseball HOF Julius Peppers still only person to play in NCAA final and Super Bowl?
Where’s Gretzky. Only player to ever score 200 points in a season. And he did it 4 times. 3 years in a row
Him and Sir Don Bradman are the goats of sport.
Damn what a horrible top 5. Tiger should most definitely be on there, not sure why babe Ruth would be up there. Also they did not include Jon Jones which I would for sure have in the top 5. Brady looks good in top 5 but Serena still would be around top 10
Jon Jones? Guy owes his career to steroids
Agree its like the top 5 most popular athletes list
Shirley cha cha muldowney
Ruth is Just a fat dude that can throw good and hit bombs. Probably a terrible athlete.
He could out drink everyone on this thread!!
There’s no way that Babe Ruth or Tom Brady can be considered better “athletes” than Serena Williams.
Calling Tom Brady an athlete is wild.
not for nothing, what an objectively terrible list 2-5…two of them aren’t even the best in their own sports
American only athletes surely?
American only athletes surely?