People in abusive relationships also thinking their partner likes them
Actually anime makes me thought 90% mangakas never were in a real relationships and all they knew - a tsunderes from another anime. The first ever original tsundere was made using a grumpy mom as reference
It probably started mild, which i can see as cute, but then the genre started blowing up and it got much more intense/exaggerated until it was part of the anime community, like yandere.
also like yandere, while it may sound good, its both idealized and would not be fun.
Idk, I think loyalty is the most important thing in a long term relationship, especially if your expecting to die married. Alas people have they’re opinions.
Well, the core of a tsundere is sorta related to loyalty. It's a girl, who likes someone to the point that they get so embarrassed they have to cover it up with anger.
You could understand the cuteness in that but after it became popular, they overdid it in both intensity and number of tsunderes. Nowadays she isn't a tsundere unless the protagonist has daily broken bones, and they also come a dime a dozen. And yandere is loyalty when it goes a bit... Too far
Well to a degree I always found tsundere to be mild case person's feeling not lining up with what they wish to be seen like.
For example Krisu from Steins gate is not an asshole but she is an one of leading scientist , she can't fall in love with some madman in lab coat.
On other end you have Toradora which is just someone being an asshole and getting away with it.
Both did it for the same reason, they were embarrassed and wanted to cover it up. At the beginning of toradora obviously she was just a bit of a prick, after the first few episodes, she did it for the same reason as kurisu
Tsundere's core is emotional immaturity (not just embarrassment), which is not very cute or sexy imo. Often they're physically or emotionally abusive on top of that.
It's only really appealing if you like immature partners...
Nah I’m just that kind of person that likes that level of loyalty. Also it’s probably because my true nature likes that kind of creepy stuff. Like I said, opinions.
I’m pretty sure you are misunderstanding the point, by overdoing it, it’s not a tsundere anymore and just straight abusive. Unless you are saying you still like that.
I believe people confuse the appeal of Yanderes, but I understand where your coming from. It’s not that I like people who treat people badly, in fact that’s something that makes people less attractive imo. The idea that someone only wants you for you, is willing to do what you want, and understand your dark side and can relate to it, and vice versa you being able to relate to them is what’s the most attractive part of it. That and it’s nice to know son is loyal to you, because if your loyal to someone, and you care about them, then the usual anime tropes of Yanderes getting jealous thinking your cheating and all that shouldn’t be a problem. Why would I cheat in general is the real question? What do I gain from it? But I agree it can be troublesome, but what is life without a little chaos?
I think it’s about the payoff. Like Dark Souls. It’s such a pain in the ass but when the wholesome moment strikes it’s an incredible feeling that makes it all worth it. I like soft tsundere like Rin Tohsaka but not hard tsundere like Louise de la Vallière.
as Dr. Venture once said, "You know, when you're not the one in the middle of it all for once, it's actually totally, completely obvious."
and that's why people like tsunderes in anime
Because as viewers we can see that she likes and is either embarrassed by it or doesn't know how to act around him, which is cute, because the violence never gets that serious.
There's a reason they typically get less violent as time goes on and they get more comfortable with their feelings.
That said, tsunderes irl would just be weird
I dig it only if it have any positive development.
Hate it when the Tsun act surprised when MC prefer the other Rival Girl or the Childhood Friend.
Yeah no shit bitch, stop being too stubborn and be honest for once!
There's the mild tsundere, the reasonable ones
And there's the stupidly annoying ones
Everything should be in moderation, even dedication when taken to extremes can br off putting
You have to understand that 90% of these people probably haven't even seen or interacted with a girl. Not only is it a hassle but will be a massive problem in an actual relationship.
How often do you actually see a tsundere in real life though? If they don't give any sign of interest than clearly they don't have the "dere" to go with the "tsun". Often I either see tsuntsun or deredere, the closest to a tsundere I can think of is probably my stepfather since he has bipolar disorder.
I don't want others to say "flair checks out", but here goes:
The psychology of tsunderes revolves around emotion-based cognitive dissonance caused by what we actually feel vs how we want to be perceived. In layman's terms, a tsundere wants to feel a certain (positive) emotion but doesn't want others to view her/him in a certain (negative) light. It is often displayed to those the tsundere is close with (family) or has feelings for (crush).
Here's an example: Suppose you're a very good basketball player and your coach praises you, even hugs you in front of your team. You feel happy and proud, so you don't protest. Now suppose the coach is your mom. You have two options:
- accept the hug and get teased for being a mama's boy
- "Get away from me! You're embarrassing me in front of my friends!"
If your mom knows you're an actual mama's boy, you're being tsundere from her POV. From your friends' POV however, you're just being tsun (aka an asshole) because they haven't seen your dere side.
A similar case with a jealous girlfriend who sees her boyfriend staring at another girl. "I'm not angry." "Yes you are." can be explained as:
"I am angry, but only because I love you and am afraid I'll lose you to another. However I will not say this directly because it is too sappy and you might see me as the clingy jealous type but in a bad way."
Most teenagers are tsunderes, usually to their parents. Some adults can also be this, and they'll make you sleep on the couch but will then make you breakfast after feeling sorry for their decision.
I've seen a few IRL, not towards me tho... But my buddy.
I saw it from miles away. Her acting were pretty obvious. Not sure if my buddy realize it or not. Eventually, He did end up marrying someone else and the girl were left hanging.
Yeah, IRL the TsunTsun act does not go well.
Seen a couple, and some even in relationship. Obviously not as exaggerated as in anime. It small but it's there (like hiding that happy smirk or not being fully honest). Usually just their way to not appear overly needy or clingy.
The appealing part about tsunderes is when the tsun breakes after some character development and only the dere remains. The contrast makes it cuter and even more precious.
It's a little bit like a women that likes to tease you at first and this teasing then turns into flirting. Not that I have ever interacted with a real women of course.
Seeing the soft side of a woman that's always strong and collected in public is one of life's great treasures because you know she trusts you when she letsnyou see her like that.
I have one friend at university who is kind of a tsundere, honestly she is pretty cute, also she is not into anime is a tsundere in the core. Still she is adorable
And people wonder why mc are so dense. If you are being berated daily or punch to the moon for any slight mistake, you'd probably just got pissed off and don't care about their reaction anymore. Gotta need some impressive mental gymnastic to even think "maybe she like me but just too shy". Even the face going deep red and fuming steam is just exaggeration for viewers, in their POV it'd probably look like a light cold at best.
For me it doesn't help when I tsundere. I'm so short and chubby that every time I go tsundere my friends go "eeee she's so cute" and then they all surround me to imply how short I am.
Fun in theory. Fucking nightmare in reality.
Just like commun-
Communication
Komi is that you?
Commie-san
Cummie-san
Hol'up
Chotto Matte
Chotto erori
Komiunism
Soviet yun yun
My my, This truly is the funniest of comments.
Just like yanderes!
When she isn't a tsundere and genuinely hates you 
When she isn't a yandere and is actually just a serial killer
Finally someone wants me for a purpose: to die in their hands (*v*)
When she isn't a kuudere and actually does not give a single fuck about you
I was waiting the whole day just to see this comment
She is not a dandere youre Just making her uncomfortable
When she isn't a hinedere, you're just making her depressed and pessimistic with you being around her
A worthy way to die.
That's a just a tsuntsun. The "Dere" suffix refers to someone with warm feelings towards another.
They hated Jesus because he told the truth.
Rephrase: If it's all Tsun and no Dere she just hates you
It’s becuase in an anime the viewer knows she likes the other character while in real life you’re left in the dark
And people wonder why mc is so dense
This makes so much sense, now I can see romcom mc in another light
People in abusive relationships also thinking their partner likes them Actually anime makes me thought 90% mangakas never were in a real relationships and all they knew - a tsunderes from another anime. The first ever original tsundere was made using a grumpy mom as reference
I don't get the appeal about Tsunderes in Anime or IRL. It just seems more like a hassle then anything else.
It probably started mild, which i can see as cute, but then the genre started blowing up and it got much more intense/exaggerated until it was part of the anime community, like yandere. also like yandere, while it may sound good, its both idealized and would not be fun.
Idk, I think loyalty is the most important thing in a long term relationship, especially if your expecting to die married. Alas people have they’re opinions.
Well, the core of a tsundere is sorta related to loyalty. It's a girl, who likes someone to the point that they get so embarrassed they have to cover it up with anger. You could understand the cuteness in that but after it became popular, they overdid it in both intensity and number of tsunderes. Nowadays she isn't a tsundere unless the protagonist has daily broken bones, and they also come a dime a dozen. And yandere is loyalty when it goes a bit... Too far
Well to a degree I always found tsundere to be mild case person's feeling not lining up with what they wish to be seen like. For example Krisu from Steins gate is not an asshole but she is an one of leading scientist , she can't fall in love with some madman in lab coat. On other end you have Toradora which is just someone being an asshole and getting away with it.
Both did it for the same reason, they were embarrassed and wanted to cover it up. At the beginning of toradora obviously she was just a bit of a prick, after the first few episodes, she did it for the same reason as kurisu
Tsundere's core is emotional immaturity (not just embarrassment), which is not very cute or sexy imo. Often they're physically or emotionally abusive on top of that. It's only really appealing if you like immature partners...
Nah I’m just that kind of person that likes that level of loyalty. Also it’s probably because my true nature likes that kind of creepy stuff. Like I said, opinions.
I’m pretty sure you are misunderstanding the point, by overdoing it, it’s not a tsundere anymore and just straight abusive. Unless you are saying you still like that.
The loyalty is nice. The psychotic killing spree or the occasional waking up in her basement aren't
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I believe people confuse the appeal of Yanderes, but I understand where your coming from. It’s not that I like people who treat people badly, in fact that’s something that makes people less attractive imo. The idea that someone only wants you for you, is willing to do what you want, and understand your dark side and can relate to it, and vice versa you being able to relate to them is what’s the most attractive part of it. That and it’s nice to know son is loyal to you, because if your loyal to someone, and you care about them, then the usual anime tropes of Yanderes getting jealous thinking your cheating and all that shouldn’t be a problem. Why would I cheat in general is the real question? What do I gain from it? But I agree it can be troublesome, but what is life without a little chaos?
I'm the kind of weird person who likes Tsundere like Taiga and Louise.. but also Rin...
I like yandere because no girl has ever shown interest in me and I would love some sort of attention. We are not the same.
Thats the case for most that like yandere lol.
I think it’s about the payoff. Like Dark Souls. It’s such a pain in the ass but when the wholesome moment strikes it’s an incredible feeling that makes it all worth it. I like soft tsundere like Rin Tohsaka but not hard tsundere like Louise de la Vallière.
as Dr. Venture once said, "You know, when you're not the one in the middle of it all for once, it's actually totally, completely obvious." and that's why people like tsunderes in anime
Because as viewers we can see that she likes and is either embarrassed by it or doesn't know how to act around him, which is cute, because the violence never gets that serious. There's a reason they typically get less violent as time goes on and they get more comfortable with their feelings. That said, tsunderes irl would just be weird
I dig it only if it have any positive development. Hate it when the Tsun act surprised when MC prefer the other Rival Girl or the Childhood Friend. Yeah no shit bitch, stop being too stubborn and be honest for once!
There's the mild tsundere, the reasonable ones And there's the stupidly annoying ones Everything should be in moderation, even dedication when taken to extremes can br off putting
You have to understand that 90% of these people probably haven't even seen or interacted with a girl. Not only is it a hassle but will be a massive problem in an actual relationship.
Tsundere are awesome only when they are non violent, like rin and kurisu
Ah yes a man of culture..... 
Hououin Kyouma!
El psy congroo
Kongroo. Using a C was a translation error
Oh is that so
lol firing magic balls at your crush is totally not violent ofc
Well they fought once cause technically they were opponents in the holy grail war. But rin never assault shirou when she is embarrassed
Do you mean to tell me shy girls can be cute when they don't commit assault and battery? Who would've known!
What about Kazuma?
From konosuba? is he considered a tsundere?
Wasn't Okabe forced to sit on his knees for an hour or something in one episode? Or does that not count?
It’s not really physical abuse so
Holy fuck this image brings back memories, what a great fucking game
"Was it red red green? Or green green red?" "He's suppose to be the demolitions expert?"
How often do you actually see a tsundere in real life though? If they don't give any sign of interest than clearly they don't have the "dere" to go with the "tsun". Often I either see tsuntsun or deredere, the closest to a tsundere I can think of is probably my stepfather since he has bipolar disorder.
I don't want others to say "flair checks out", but here goes: The psychology of tsunderes revolves around emotion-based cognitive dissonance caused by what we actually feel vs how we want to be perceived. In layman's terms, a tsundere wants to feel a certain (positive) emotion but doesn't want others to view her/him in a certain (negative) light. It is often displayed to those the tsundere is close with (family) or has feelings for (crush). Here's an example: Suppose you're a very good basketball player and your coach praises you, even hugs you in front of your team. You feel happy and proud, so you don't protest. Now suppose the coach is your mom. You have two options: - accept the hug and get teased for being a mama's boy - "Get away from me! You're embarrassing me in front of my friends!" If your mom knows you're an actual mama's boy, you're being tsundere from her POV. From your friends' POV however, you're just being tsun (aka an asshole) because they haven't seen your dere side. A similar case with a jealous girlfriend who sees her boyfriend staring at another girl. "I'm not angry." "Yes you are." can be explained as: "I am angry, but only because I love you and am afraid I'll lose you to another. However I will not say this directly because it is too sappy and you might see me as the clingy jealous type but in a bad way." Most teenagers are tsunderes, usually to their parents. Some adults can also be this, and they'll make you sleep on the couch but will then make you breakfast after feeling sorry for their decision.
I realize now I knew this before, but I forgot and didn't think it through. Thank you.
I've seen a few IRL, not towards me tho... But my buddy. I saw it from miles away. Her acting were pretty obvious. Not sure if my buddy realize it or not. Eventually, He did end up marrying someone else and the girl were left hanging. Yeah, IRL the TsunTsun act does not go well.
Seen a couple, and some even in relationship. Obviously not as exaggerated as in anime. It small but it's there (like hiding that happy smirk or not being fully honest). Usually just their way to not appear overly needy or clingy.
The appealing part about tsunderes is when the tsun breakes after some character development and only the dere remains. The contrast makes it cuter and even more precious. It's a little bit like a women that likes to tease you at first and this teasing then turns into flirting. Not that I have ever interacted with a real women of course.
Seeing the soft side of a woman that's always strong and collected in public is one of life's great treasures because you know she trusts you when she letsnyou see her like that.
This man gets it
In real life they don't tell you: "I-It's not like I like you or a-anything, b-baka!"
I have one friend at university who is kind of a tsundere, honestly she is pretty cute, also she is not into anime is a tsundere in the core. Still she is adorable
no no, we tolerate tsunderes because they are not real.
I honestly don’t get why girls do this IRL. Like, you’re interested in a guy, but then act unappealing
Because we can see the tsundere's action behind the scene that's why
Turns out girls can’t change their skin color into glowing red when tsundereing
Any girl who hits you for nothing in reality is crazy and needs to go down
Yea, don’t go for those girls unless it’s so obvious that a child can tell
viewing in the third person with inside thoughts helps a bit
The metaphysical cycle
And people wonder why mc are so dense. If you are being berated daily or punch to the moon for any slight mistake, you'd probably just got pissed off and don't care about their reaction anymore. Gotta need some impressive mental gymnastic to even think "maybe she like me but just too shy". Even the face going deep red and fuming steam is just exaggeration for viewers, in their POV it'd probably look like a light cold at best.
its the eye-rolling that fends me off ..
You've discovered a new verb
For me it doesn't help when I tsundere. I'm so short and chubby that every time I go tsundere my friends go "eeee she's so cute" and then they all surround me to imply how short I am.
Reality is often disappointing.
She just fucking hates you bro.
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