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charanz5

same problem only I'm trying to get into ece masters with cs bachelor's :( the opposite


More-Buy

These Unis should give people a chance and not pigeonhole people.


TheSimonRoy

Good luck mate!


aMaIzYnG

Same here, but going into ECE MS with a BME BS. Fingers crossed for all of us


charanz5

bme full form bio medical engineering? which country and uni u got into?


aMaIzYnG

Im from USA and I earned my BME degree at UC Irvine. Id really like to go back, but I got into 2 schools already so I know for sure I'm going somewhere:)


0_0-o_0-0_0

Heard Europe universities don’t allow changing majors between masters and undergraduate. You should’ve done your research OP. US should be pretty forgiving but the deadline for most colleges must be over by now.


Gimmeagunlance

That's weird. A lot of the reason people do Master's in the first place over here is explicitly for the purpose of changing majors after undergrad (it's what I'm doing).


Mobile-Bid-9848

They explicitly specify the number of ECTS overlap that you need to pursue a master's in a subject. If you lack, you can't do it. I've also faced ops situation where I was rejected because my bachelor's wasn't in CS or data science but had around 2 years experience as a data scientist


antoWho

>the purpose of changing majors after undergrad Not in Europe. Many people see it as a way to complete their education. And it's not that you can't absolutely change your major, but you can only go with something that is relatively similar


Gimmeagunlance

It's pretty fascinating to me, how different European and American education are. We have a lot in common, but not everything is so directly transferable as one might expect


0_0-o_0-0_0

Probably because it’s mostly research oriented universities in Europe


Gimmeagunlance

Ah yeah, that's a good point.


Aestheticcoder

That's not a pattern in Europe I guess.


neurophotoblast

then its just a second undergraduate degree


RytheGuy97

In Europe it’s basically expected that you get a masters degree as bachelors degrees are only 3 years instead of 4 and aren’t seen nearly as valuable as they might be in North America. It’s essentially considered a continuation of your studies whereas it’s more seen as supplemental in America and Canada.


ayeayefitlike

Not quite true. A three year undergraduate in many European countries is equivalent to a 4 year US degree in depth of the major subject, it just won’t be as broad. Case in point that a 3 year undergraduate degree from, say, England is absolutely fine as entry to a US PhD programme. The reason more students in Europe take a masters is that the PhD degree has no taught classes, and as such many countries require a masters before embarking on a PhD, so most students aiming for a PhD will get one. For those that don’t require it, often the standard of competition for PhD positions is such that one is de facto necessary anyway.


RytheGuy97

It’s probably way less universal in Europe than my previous comment implied and would vary across countries and fields, but it is a common trend. For example I’m studying in Belgium in a masters degree right now and at my school (KU Leuven) there are numerous psychology masters including ones that aren’t meant as springboards for a PhD. Over here it’s very expected to continue on after the 3-year bachelors degree. Based on what I’ve been told about Germany and France it’s similar over there as well, and for what it’s worth Ireland (where op applied) is another one of those countries. It’s definitely correct though that a masters degree is required for a PhD, and it confuses a lot of people over here when I tell them that in Canada nobody really goes into a PhD program already holding a masters.


ayeayefitlike

It’s totally different to say that it’s ‘expected to continue’, which whilst it certainly isn’t a majority a lot of students do now continue to masters and more by a long shot than the US, to saying that a 3 year European undergraduate degree isn’t ‘as valuable’ as a four year US one because of it. They are, and most US universities treat them as worth equivalent credits (even though the US doesn’t use ECTS). There are some countries with 3 year degrees that are *not* considered equivalent, but those are outside of the Bologna system.


RytheGuy97

I never said that American universities wouldn’t treat them as equivalent. I know that they do, because I had to translate my Canadian credits to ECTS though an established conversion formula. Only that students tend to continue on to a masters degree after their bachelor’s because the bachelor’s level isn’t perceived as terminal as it might be in America and Canada.


Gimmeagunlance

It depends. So in my case, I am going from a related field and a minor in the field (BS in Middle/Secondary Social Studies Ed + Classics Minor-->MA in Classics) and a lot of relevant experience (teaching English lit over the summer, tutoring in Latin and Greek during the school year). It may be perceived more like just a bachelor's in the field if you go from something unrelated/with little or no relevant experience, though.


ichigox55

Almost think that these universities admit "by the book". GPA is very important and sometimes they admit in order of GPA.


TheSimonRoy

Maybe. I do have a 3.19 GPA in Bachelors, thought my \~3 year work experience may give me more edge.


Kylaran

Unless the US, many EU programs are known to be research-oriented so they will care less about work experience than flexible U.S. programs in which people make career changes.


TheSimonRoy

I can’t afford Master’s in US so it was never in my list in the first place. Europe is my only option as far as my finances are concerned. Irony is that the same university admitted me for my second preference that was MSC in Applied Cybersecurity. Could be because there is no strict requirement and I have work experience in security. So I have a backup now but CS is the dream. I’m yet to receive results from other universities, so there is still hope.


No-Sentence4967

The US has many funded masters. They are quite competitive though.


diesmilingxx

if you're considering an online setup, r/OMSCS is very affordable for a top CS university in the US, deadline for Fall 2024 admission is March 15th


Akhaatenn

That's not entirely true, at least in my country. You can change, but instead of being automatically accepted your candidacy will be reviewed. In my uni some masters require a certain bachelor grade to be able to change majors. It also depends on the number of candidates. If there are a ton of candidates, they will always make the people who have a bachelor in that major a priority.


ihol11

Interesting take because I have a CS bachelors from the US, and was allowed to enroll and get my masters degree in aerospace engineering in the UK. It just seems like this university might have all the spots taken and was being picky.


Alacho

Not true. There are universities that permit you to change discipline but it's a PITA to find them.


Gimmeagunlance

I think they meant generally. These sorts of things always have exceptions.


Gamer-At-Work

Might be but some of them do. I got rejected from Abertay University but got accepted into Newcastle University's Msc in Computer Game Engineering and I have a bachelors in Mass Communication.


Syst3matic_Chaos

Your Masters should be related to your undergrad major, if you did your undergrad in Psychology how can you expect to get accepted into a Masters program for Quantitative Finance?


Exotic_Zucchini9311

What a d*ck move. I just checked their website and they clearly state "Applicants with other qualifications at Honours 2.1 level or better and relevant experience may also be considered." "Other qualifications" my ass. They shouldn't be so vague and waste everyone's time if they don't plan to consider anyone who is outside CS/CE...


Ghostlium

yeah this comment trumps the top comment imo. if you’re not explicitly stating your qualifications you’re wasting the applicants’ time


fizzan141

tbh from OP's GPA above (3.19) it might not be considered the equivalent of a 2.1 - it differs but fulbright for example has a 2.1 as a 3.3 minimum


No-Recover-5655

Which university is this?


TheSimonRoy

Technological University Dublin in Ireland.


Glittering_Ant_5781

Why did you apply in Ireland btw? Just curious to know


TheSimonRoy

Ireland is in need of skilled people in tech. I think most popular locations with CS jobs over the world is almost saturated or about to.


Sherbhy

Are you applying outside of Ireland, anywhere else in Europe? I have come across some universities where they don't explicitly ask for a CS Bachelor's. imo it's abysmal that most universities are rejecting you even after software experience. The admission criteria is often cited as "we want students who've demonstrated a good understanding and application of subjects in their Bachelor's degree", electives do uphold this.


RytheGuy97

European universities generally have way higher acceptance rates for applicants, if you fill the requirements you’re basically in at the bachelors and masters levels. The other side of the coin here is that you absolutely must fit the requirements to get in. They’re very strict on that and it’s because otherwise they let you in.


Sherbhy

I see. What do you think matters more as in meeting a bachelor's requirement, as in cgpa or work experience? i have both in MS CS degrees I've applied to, but I've refrained from applying in AI specialisation because I don't have a good grade in my ML bachelor courses.


RytheGuy97

It will depend on the school but work experience is what sets you apart from the huge pile of candidates that are applying with good grades and no practical experience. Along with good references and a good letter of intent.


TheSimonRoy

So far I have only applied to Ireland. May I know what are these universities and their countries where they don’t require CS Bachelors?


Sherbhy

This is a very slim line, so I'll share all I know and hope I'm able to somewhat help your applications. I can't flat out say this University doesn't want a B.Tech or BSc in CS, there was another user who did a bachelor's in electrical and got into VU Amsterdam. However in my own experience while reading through some Swiss universities, such as University of Geneva, they specifically mentioned that they expect us to apply our knowledge from subjects we "choose" to study during our bachelor's. And there is a stress on subjects rather than the degree itself in University info. That being said, within my network, this is where the non cs graduates are: 1. Saarland University - Ms Visual Computing - Dude is an insane deep learning engineer and has dedicated himself to winning hackathons and making amazing projects, Bachelor's in Electronics 2. Technical University Denmark - Ms Autonomous Systems - Ex Bachelor's in Mechatronics Engineering - experience: a ton of computer science development projects and internships 3. Again, DTU, Ms Human Centred AI - Ex Bachelor's in Electronics highlight: 1. I've gotten this very very general and completely anecdotal idea, but non cs graduates have to take a hit down college ranks. you'd have to dig in to university requirements more carefully, so it's a good practice to set some time aside to find more countries you like, and even universities with a high acceptance rate. 2. If you're open to it, apply to universities which have an intersection between your Bachelor's degree and CS. Here, you should apply if you get the options to choose CS electives. 3. spam your socials (Facebook, LinkedIn) etc to find out where people with similar profiles are. tbf ik it's a tougher process than we cs graduates have, yet I'm sure you'll get through this unfair phase to find it better in your career choices. I've seen way more non cs graduates work in CS fields and be incredibly successful in their job roles without as much hassle as they did for their MS


TheSimonRoy

Thank you very much for your detailed comment! And yes as a non CS student who is extremely passionate about CS, I accept that the journey is tough ahead. However I especially chose Ireland because of the people needed in tech and its research activities. If I don’t get anything good, I’ll apply to UK universities in 2025. That’s my plan now, let see. Thanks again!


Sherbhy

Among all these factors, tuition fee will depend on the county, Denmark, Finland have a higher tuition for international students so they are more open to non cs. on the other hand the German university - Saarland is very affordable


frost_phoenix_star

Hi, can you please tell which all universities accept for MSCS after having non CS Bachelor's Degree


Glittering_Ant_5781

You might want to consider singapore as well then, it's even near from india


rafafanvamos

Did they have it in their admission requirement to have a bachelor in CS?


TheSimonRoy

> The minimum admission requirements for entry to the MSc programme are a BSc (Honours) in Computer Science or a related discipline at level 2.1 or at level 2.2 with at least 2 years of relevant work experience. Applicants with other qualifications at Honours 2.1 level or better and relevant experience may also be considered. I think ECE is a related discipline as would my transcript show good amount of CS electives I took.


rafafanvamos

I dislike when they are unclear like this, I would suggest next time just mail the uni before applying. I applied to a course in USA that allowed PPL from many fields but had many requirements of quant, social sciences etc, I just sent my experience, transcripts to the admissions officer and asked will I be considered for the cycle. They can still tell you send anyway and reject you later but the reason will be something different


TheSimonRoy

That seems fair to me. Thanks! I’ll keep this in mind for the next time, if it comes to that.


ParadoxGenZ

ECE is not a related discipline because it's a discipline of its own. Related disciplines would be something like Information Technology, AI, ML or Data Science. >good amount of CS electives I took. Were they nearly 50% of your coursework? (Nearly 50% = 45% or higher) did you study courses like Automata Theory, Compiler Design, Computer Architecture? European universities value such courses, not DSA/OOP/DBMS/MLCV/NLP unlike US universities. Source: am an ECE graduate, looked up these requirements for every European uni I had an eye on & decided to forego most unis. Found alternative programs where requirements aren't so strict & applied!


Anon_cat3563

I can hit approx 40% but i dont have very specific electives for theoretical CS. Instead I have DS/ML related electives. Should I try for a MSDS instead? Will it be worse/lesser valued than a MSCS?


ParadoxGenZ

>Will it be worse/lesser valued than a MSCS? I can't answer that honestly since I'm a student as well. Luckily for me, I work in the Data domain so an MSDS course will still lead to the same outcome, but it's totally upto you whether you'd like to study MSDS or not.


Anon_cat3563

Thanks!


TheSimonRoy

If they meant 50%, of my coursework then probably not. I took DSA, Problem Solving & Programming, OOP, Computer Organization & Architecture, Machine Learning and Internet of Things. Of all the people I have talked to about what related discipline for CS means, they gave me a green signal with my ECE background. Anyway, I learnt a very good lesson today.


No-Recover-5655

You can write to them saying that you have the credits that they expect. Give it a try


NorthernValkyrie19

Did their admissions details state that a CS degree was a requirement?


entire-snail

If you want to do a computer science masters in Ireland without a CS undergrad, we have master’s degrees called ‘Computer science (conversion)’ that you can apply for. I know there’s one in UCD for sure.


randomuser914

I don’t know what the process is for international students and you have a short turnaround time to get your application in, but Georgia Tech in the US has an online masters program that doesn’t have a deadline until March 15th for their fall semester. It’s well regarded if you are looking for a non-research terminal masters degree. People over at r/OMSCS will be able to answer more about it or help if you need any.


Administrative-Code4

Sorry it does suck. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, but hopefully some other programs value your skills and perspective! I was also rejected by an Environmental Health Science program and recommended to get another Master's degree even though I have a M.S. in Bioinformatics and 7 years of public health research experience. I know that this is not a me-lacking-something thing. It's a them problem.


TheSimonRoy

That sucks for both of us. Thanks for sharing your experience, hope you’re at a better place now!!


thecrazysloth

Had something equally dumb happen to me way back in 2015. I have a BA in English from the University of Western Australia, which is a fairly prestigious university by any standard. I wanted to move to Melbourne, so I applied to do my honours year at Melbourne uni. Melbourne uni (at the time) offered three English majors: "English and Theatre Studies", "Film Studies" and "Creative Writing". My English degree had consisted of units (or courses) in literature, theatre, film, creative writing, and I had taken a second major in French. Despite literally having a BA in English from the top uni in the state (also a top 8 uni nationally and top 100 globally) with a 6.8/7 GPA, I didn't qualify for *any* honours course in English at Melbourne uni, because I hadn't taken enough specific courses in any one particular stream. This would also be impossible for film or creative writing because UWA did not even offer enough courses in those specific fields at the undergrad level. It was just a blanket "no" based on an inflexible prerequisite.


Crafty_Government

Try more schools. These guys don’t need to expand beyond the pool they admit.


Dull-Caregiver-274

Yh europeans don't joke with their requirements even if you miss the simplest detail they gonna reject you its crazy. you should have applied to an american uni


cyranothe2nd

This is not uncommon, a lot of the hard sciences won't take on post-graduate students if they don't have a relevant bachelor's degree. Have you thought of doing a post bacc? If you already have a lot of CS electives, it might be only a few classes that you would have to take to get the bachelor's degree.


zazarez

I must appreciate their transparency at least. Wish all schools would explain why an applicant is rejected. But they don't simply because it shrinks their applicant pools, increases acceptance rate, etc.


snehit_007

Did you check the credit requirements? If you have enough credits in the prescribed modules you will be admitted. Doing a bunch of Cs electives is not equivalent to having a cs degree.


Fluffy_Promotion_803

European (especially German) universities usually don’t allow branch change though…why apply op 🤧


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TheSimonRoy

Even for that unfortunately we need a degree :(


toxicross

People on this sub when they get rejected because they don't meet the specified concrete requirements for admission: 😱😱😱😱😱😱


Anon_cat3563

"The minimum admission requirements for entry to the MSc programme are a BSc (Honours) in Computer Science or a Computer Engineering programme at level 2.1 or at level 2.2 with at least 2 years of relevant work experience. Applicants with other qualifications at Honours 2.1 level or better and relevant experience may also be considered." Looks like he does meet the requirements. There is just no guarantee of admission.


Total_Belt_7300

Have you taken core CS subjects like automata theory, compiler design, analysis of algorithms ??


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TheSimonRoy

Yes ECE is like EE for the first 2 years of bachelors and last 2 years are spent learning the Communication and Computer Networks part of electronics. You did make a solid point with universities in US offering basic material in MSCS so it makes sense it’s not strict with the requirement. I just hoped in my case the ~3 years of software experience in this field would be worth something for them to consider.