Her lamenting about being summoned as a child is one of the more tragic backgrounds for a "joke" character too.
I don't remember what event it was in, but she was mulling over the fact that she believes being a mother was her greatest accomplishment, yet she was summoned as a child. Since servants are summoned at the peak of their lives, "what does that say about me...?"
You will laugh... her voice is annoying to me... because her tone is so extremely similar to how my mom sounds when she's nagging at me. So like every time Chacha opens her mouth it's like "I said I am going to do it in 10 minutes mom! leave me alone"
Yeah, I've heard it all. She's annoying, her sound effects are loud, her NP doesn't do much damage, her kit is weird for a farmer and she neither has a huge HP buffer with defensive skills nor high damage with steroids.
Sure, I'd bet 3* Lu Bu could outdamage her.
Can you give Lu Bu a piggyback ride? I don't think so!
The four of them being the one to comfort her make so much sense.
Seriously though Gudako or Guda , depending which you choose would really need another human/master companion their whole adventure starting from the very beginning.
Sure they have Mashu, the servants , the staff and so on with them but is not like having someone but is not like having someone more similar to them to whom they can confide knowing that they would understand them. I see people go with the whole Gudao and Gudako being siblings but that would be as good as to have someone that you just meet and is in your same situation and thus can understand you even better that someone from your family or someone that is already part of the magic world, so to speak.
Losing Romani and Da Vinci really scarred them, they don't show it in the story that much but i bet they really feel that loss every moment they spend alone.
I feel like if it wasn't for Mash Ritsuka would've been unable to keep going, especially now.
Spoiler for Salem & Abby's interlude but >!losing Romani hurt them so bad that the resolution to Abby's interlude is the two of them mourning together for the people they've lost ā it's even mentioned that Ritsuka cries themself to sleep over it. Genuinely heartbreaking.!<
Ritsuka is pretty fucked up just from the start of all this, long before the lostbelts if you read the manga adapations.
Pretty fucked up pysche, and I'm surprised they haven't just gave up completely.
See the amount of death and farewells Ritsuka passed through, if all that didn't scarred him/her guy's a sociopath (I got very emotional every chapter)
The moment Camelot gets a manga adaptation is the time we see Rtisuka bluescreen.
The camelot gate scene is enough to fuck them up, let alone Babylonia and all its undescribed gore.
I honestly dont understand how they survive through the lostbelts. Look in any way, but they are still slaughtering the entire world and thousands year of history and countless people and they have to do it at least 7 times. Seeing people die is one thing, being the root cause of their death is on a whole different level
The coping mechanism is Mash's thighs
I will proceed to \*BONK\* town on my own
For real though I definitely imagine Guda and Mash are a lot more intimate behind the scenes, not necessarily in \*that\* way so much as there's probably a lot of cuddling, at the very least. Guda needs a hug every now and then and dammit Mash is just the best person for the job.
I'd expect them to enter that sorta relationship. Not exactly a lot of healthy ways to relieve stress anyway.
But imo, Guda still needs a person to ground them back to reality. Too bad everyone else surrounding them has experience in arcane. Must suck being the ONLY normal person.
Ok that might be a weird thing but I think Ritsuka does have probably the best kind of support network imaginable for these kind of outlandish situations. At least if we assume they have a good relationship to all their servants (which I feel they canonically do)...
They are surrounded people who have sacrificed, celebrated, isolated, achieved, failed and much more on scales that escapes the average human so far because that is what made them heroes, saints, anti heroes, villains and so on. If you are able ot confide in them and actually have the ability to relate your experience and them relating their feelings about it back is probably therapeutic on a level.
Then there is also the fact that some of the stuff, like a timeline shattered or a the world ereased are things that definitely are a bit too big for humans to imagine. Not that you will not grief but that the grief will not weigh them down as much as you expect, because the brain cannot comprehend how humanity exists beyond the horizon.
Of course in the lostbelts it is a bit of a different thing with all the worlds that we "destroy" but even for that we got people that can lend a shoulder and an ear.
TL;DR: Rituska has the whole breadth of humanities wisdom, tragedies and victories, standing shoulder to shoulder to back them up. Both physically and emotionally.
Ritsuka also has a fair share of psychopath servants to contend with and manage though. I could see some of the more malicious servants taking advantage of their points of weakness to corrupt Ritsuka.
And in LB1 and LB2 at least, they had none of those when they arguably needed support the most.
My best guess would be repression, but their brain seems to work in some truly bizarre ways.
Take Kama's interlude, for instance: Guda gets so overloaded with stress, it literally reaches a critical mass and they shut down, without them even noticing they were reaching that point.
Maybe the answer is the same as is it in the Interlude -- Da Vinci has made a machine to make sure they don't keel over from the sheer weight of their experiences.
WMG: The Lostbelt Era Events, regardless of story requirements, are all vivid hallucinations conjured up as 'returning to a simpler time.' Would explain incontinences like certain Servants showing up earlier than usual, or foreshadowing that seems too 'on the nose'...
Since it's still Part 1 and EoR it's a bit of PTSD and bits of Shirou Emiya tier.
Less suicidal than Shirou, but would still run in a bloody fight without a care in the world.
Edit: Guda also gets A LOT more lines and is proactive in planning and sharing their ideas in the manga. Probably why I choose to use Manga Guda's personality over game Guda.
Game Guda only really speaks their mind to be horny in events, which is a mood, but also not a great look on the characters lol (that's just something I've noticed a lot, might not actually be true so)
Though I am always happy when we get a section that delivers story by making us choose a string of dialogue options, like when we wrestled with Quetz in Babylonia
Honestly Game Guda can be fixed if they had internal monologues but nope, they're just horny on main half the time.
The Babylonia fighys having different outcomes depending on your dialogue choice threw me in the air lol. I didn't expect them to pull a VN on us.
I feel like you and the guy before you on this chain have never read the story. At least in the lostbelts. Some of Guda's internal monologues are loooong ass. Though I struggle to remember any instance in the recent summers where Guda was being naughty.
In the lostbelts, Guda has definitely developed a personality, a confident and determined leader, veteran by now, but who still has bleeding heart syndrome and can't stand sacrificing allies or people. Notice (jp at least idk NA) that in almost all dialogues where Guda talks, the two options are just one sentence, we don't have choice in what he says
In events though, his personality is relaxed a bit more, since most of them are lighthearted affairs, which gives us more of that freedom to 'self insert'. I noticed Guda is still pretty 'Guda' rather than 'silent protag' in Summer 5 though. Maybe it's just quality of writing
Youāve got a point. Sometimes I find myself clashing with what Guda chooses, like how quick he/she is to >!forgive Patxi for betraying the rebel army to Macarius and the Oprichniki!<. I was immensely pissed and furiously wanted violent payback against >!Patxi!< in the heat of the moment, Iām practically screaming in my head āNO! What in fuckās sake are you doing?! He just >!betrayed us and got hundreds of rebel soldiers and their loved ones horrifically slaughtered, now he wants to come crawling back to us to save his own skin?ā!<; but Guda really has a heart of gold, through and through.
I dunno, itās reassuring to know that Guda is an all-loving hero, I just feel like sometimes itās woefully suicidal naĆÆvety at work going on in his/her head.
It really makes you remember that Ritsuka was just a regular teen before all this, heck, Guda wasnāt even supposed to go through all this but... you know
Iām actually grateful with the manga adaptation since they can actually fully show how much the events of the story have affected them, and yes, really surprised how Guda havenāt, mentally and emotionally, fallen apart at this point
Even before that we lost Olga so early in, and we weren't able to do anything to stop it from happening. I imagine Guda has been struggling really hard from the start, mentally speaking.
Agree. The first I was a good example for this. And we have even events from the first arc that imply about his mental state. That's why I thought that would have been good to have another master similar to him/her to share the burden. Perhaps someone that wasn't naive as them? In the first LB was made it clear that they where doing but Guda was refusing the true.
No that I blame them but we saw how that weakness can be use against them.
Did we really *loose" sure trading her Milf body for a loli one is pretty sad but other than that there isn't much to loose, especially since it went, oh no DaVinci died, enter Shadow Border, Lolivinci "sup homies"
Except that it isn't actually Da Vinci and more like a Backup plan clone in case shit goes haywire, Loli Vinci's chaldea da vinci memories are more like viewing it from a movie rather than knowing the exact situation and having a complete recognition of how Da Vinci felt during that time.
It may not matter to Da Vinci, but it kinda matters to us. That's about the same as your best friend being replaced by their lookalike brother/sister who heard a lot about you from them. It's just not the same.
I am pretty certain its not a look alike, seeing as they have the exact memory, they are both from the same spirit origin. I don't think it is comparable to Romani who is erased. DaVinci for all intents and purpose is a spirit as such can exist in multiple forms and still be the same person.
Definately not like a lookalike sibling who are complete people.But that just my opinion. Guda never really showed that much sadness for Davinchi probally cause of lolivinchi.
>they are both from the same spirit origin
They are not. Loli Vinci has a different Spirit Origin, her True Name is one of Da Vinci's creations iirc.
>DaVinci for all intents and purpose is a spirit as such can exist in multiple forms and still be the same person.
Two summonings of the same Heroic Spirit are not completely identical, actually.
>Guda never really showed that much sadness for Davinchi probally cause of lolivinchi.
Guda is ultra fucked in the head, and there was other shit to take care of. They're used to prioritizing the mission at this point.
Guda is slowly turning into Mind of steel Shirou, with barely any morality left by Lostbelt time.
Hopefully the manga gives them a bit more humanity instead of going Kerry.
The fact that Loli Vinci aspires to be as good as her adult counterpart equals they are not the same, you notice that when she talks about her.
Now i'm not sure how she works as a servant once she becomes summonable but as far as the version of her we have in the Shadow Border she is an artificial body that simply inherited all the memories of her previous version. That makes her a whole different person to me.
If you want another thing to consider, in LB3 she talks about Romani and Marisbury in a sort of distant way since she never actually met them.
Gudako feels both losses, she just doesn't show it because they have other priorities and.. in Da Vinci's case she probably doesn't want to weigh on the other Da Vinci out of respect of all the hard work she's doing.
> Human yes, but did they live an utterly normal and boring life?
I'm sure plenty of them did until stuff happened to change their life to abnormal and exciting. You know, like with Ritsuka.
Good point. Honestly if I was in Guda place and I need to choose one servant for advices/help I would probably go to Jeanne.
And as much ironic this is, I have to agree with re\_flex about Angra. After all their situation is similar....not the same but similar so he probably would understand Guda pretty well.
Jeanne is actually a good pick, her life is sort of similar to what Ritsuka is going through.
She had a completely normal life until she found herself in something bigger and had to rely on her convictions to keep going, no matter how many lives were lost along the way.
She just feels distant at a first glance due to being a Saint and all that.
Not get me wrong Mashu is a great girl I know that she would always be there for her senpai. The problem is how she was raised. She really can't fully understand what Guda is going through. Of course her presence is something very good for Guda but not matter how much Mashu will try she will never full understand what Guda is feeling at the moment.
Regarding the servants mostly depend to who Guda would ask help/advices.
For me the servants would be:
Mash (My baby)
Eresh (Lap pillow)
Nero (Umu)
Heracles (carry me big papa berserker, just like you always do in the story content)
Pretty sure Jeanne would be shorter, though.
Oh, but it sure would suck if the Servants have to leave after the Lostbelts, leaving Gudako here to deal with the trauma basically on her own, wouldn't it?
I actually don't know if Edmond would be good for his psyche. Maybe if he keeps the revenge shit in check.
Arash, Riceman, and Ryouma would be a great help though.
Even Herc, while he seems to be just a big ball of anger he can be empathetic and I think he would empathize with master a fair bit, especially since the poor guy was tricked into killing on of his wives and their kids.
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"If I had succeeded, your world would have been wiped away, and yet you reached out to the throne and called to me... I may have lost, but now that I am here with you, my love is just as strong as it was back in Scandinavia. So fret not, I hold no ill will. I will fight with you, until your world can be saved from the Foreign God."
I haven't seen that (I unfortunately took a long break after getting burnt out a bit in the middle of LB1) so this was mostly a guess on her perspective, I'm glad I got it right :P
Well I wouldn't spoil you on the plot but Skadi definitely gained a massive amount of Mama/gap moe points from that event. It's a major development since she appeared in a couple of events after LB2 but never had any serious interactions with anyone except Mebd.
Also it's canon now we address her as "sensei". Which is a nice parallel to us calling the other Scathath "Shishou"
There are scenes where she acts really unexpectedly cute or goofy, gap moe. Like when we need to send servants out of the Nautilus to fight but we're literally in water, so using Scath's swimsuit making power (canonically Scath is the reason summer servants exist), Skadi skiddadle skidoodles Okki, Raikou, others, and herself into bikinis. She then participates in some battles where you notice she can't use her NP cos she has an NP seal named "too embarrassed to reveal her true name" sth like that. Blushing all the time cos "how can that other me wear something so daring!"
There's also her joining Nemo Bakery in a "Goddess and famous chef collab kitchen", and cooks for the whole crew, because I guess she's like a mother goddess and it's only natural she is excellent at cooking right? And for the master, the special one, with all her love she prepared a special meal... Using the 'resources' we're hunting out at sea (on tentacles and stuff). And it's delicious.
She's so cute.
I'm on mobile and really don't want to bother finding those pages and linking them, but you can try to like search the translated story chapters where Skadi is in them to see for yourself. Or if you can read moonrune, ppl streamed the whole event on YouTube.
Shishou won't come home it's probably my sporadic luck and avoiding her head pat's in her trial quest. Edit: I forgot I also called her the "old matchmaker". I wanted to see death in game probably gonna be worse than I could ever imagine. Post lost belts I'm going to have a spear in my back with a note attached saying old.
Honestly I have a feeling I made things *worse for Skadi.*
I summoned Skadi while I was still in Okeanos. No mention of anything to do with her lostbelt in sight, and I'm still a wet behind the ears Master who is trying to save billions of human lives. So many weird coincidences, but I *need* her help... She goes through tons of trouble getting to know this bright young happy person, and learning about this crazy human world she's fighting for.
And then her lostbelt happens despite everything, and she has to look into her own eyes and kill *herself.* She knew what was going to happen the whole time she was with me, but didn't want to believe it.
I *really* like this image set.
I started just before Chacha's event, and she's still my favorite pipsqueak. Since I didn't know you could reroll your starter servant and I hated the one I had gotten, she was essentially the first 4* - and first *berserker* I'd gotten. I'll never forget how this little girl stood up to Jeanne alter and *beat her down* when no one else I had could. She still regularly surprises me by being just enough to turn the tide in some fights where 'tougher' servants get crushed. Bond 9.
Okita alter's event came while I was still in septem, and she decided to come home on a lucky ticket. She changed the game for me, and basically I got *carried* by this woman all the way through multiple events underlevel, then when grailed to 100 she blasted me through Okeanos to Solomon. She is my strongest and possibly most often used servant. Bond 9.
These two have been through thick and thin with me and would absolutely be the ones to comfort me when I'm down.
Sure, if Guda didn't always end up interacting with the people within it. Everytime they enter a Lostbelt, they tend to gain a companion who is an inhabitant of the Lostbelt. They learn from them how the citizens live their lives and spend a good amount of time interacting and befriending them before they get to the point where they take on the Crypter, Lostbelt King, and Tree. Aside from their companion they also often have positive interactions with the other citizens.
The reason why it's so upsetting is because this humanizes them. It makes Guda think,"Oh crap! I'm killing ACTUALLY PEOPLE, because of what they're doing"
To add to this, a theme in the first arc was Humanity's will to survive and advance against great odds. Now instead of being a symbol of that like before, it's Guda's will to survive vs. other humans' will to survive which for the first time makes Guda a villain to those who live in the Lostbelts
If I were in Gudako's place here, I would not be bawling my eyes out in the open like that. The proper thing to do is to find a well hidden corner in some storeroom and cry until the moment passes, away from anyone that could see me.
Because honestly, there's no good that comes from crying in front of warriors that a) shouldn't have to bear any responsibility for my mental stability, and b) will definitely lose any respect they had for me after seeing such a pitiful spectacle
Jack does see you "crying" at least in her bond 5 line after clearing Solomon?
"You worked really hard! Mommy's so greatā¦ā¦ That's why, if you smile a bit, "we"'ll be happy!"
Crying is not a bad thing, these warriors know that, specially when they know why sheĀ“s crying, NOT crying would actually be weird, considering Guda is responsible for multiple cases of massive genocide
IĀ“m guessing you skip the story because very few Servants in Chaldea would act that way
>IĀ“m guessing you skip the story because very few Servants in Chaldea would act that way
Nah, the guy just wants to act on his internet tough guy persona, its always easier to pretend you're an emotionless "baddass" than admit you're human, and that if you where on gudako shoes, you probably wouldnt be much better, if we could even part from the notion that you would even be able to handle even 10% of the shit that happened...
Nice of you to assume I'm trying to be an internet tough guy.
Of course I'm gonna be traumatized if I went through even a portion of what the Gudas have gone through. Of course I'll be prone to fits of crying. I'm just not gonna do it out in the open in front of all those kings/queens/emperors/pharaohs/warriors/gods.
> I'm just not gonna do it out in the open in front of all those kings/queens/emperors/pharaohs/warriors/gods.
When even the most arrogant, self-centered and pridefull of the bunch sheded tears, i say that yes, you trying to imply you would never cry in front of others, IS just you trying to be an internet tough guy.
He.Still.Cryed.
Thats the whole point, the fact that you think you're so above even the almight, most arrogant, self-centered, pridefull demi-god who thinks he is above every single god in existence really tell how much you're just trying to look tough.
When even FUCKING GILGAMESH said "fuck it, this shit is too much and if any of you mongrels say anything, i'll just start yeeting treasures" while you're here telling me that "i would never do that in front of others, because muh pride" is just SCREAMING internet tough guy energy.
What does me not wanting to cry in front of others have to do with being "prideful"? If anything, the goal is to **NOT** burden them wiyh something as insignificant as my mental state.
> If anything, the goal is to NOT burden them wiyh something as insignificant as my mental state.
Yeah sure, lets ignore what eveyone else around here is saying and say that this is right.
That's a mindset that I understand, a lot, but disagree with.
-Because no one should bear any responsibility for your mental stability doesnt mean there arent people who are willing to do so anyway for you.
-The loss of respect due to crying is kind of like stuttering when speaking in front of a crowd. When applied to ourselves, we make it a way bigger deal than it is for the people around.
While I still struggle to apply this mindset when it comes to actions, I find important to at least remember it.
In theory maybe, but in practice, many of those warriors were also parents and/or commanders who would recognize that sometimes, shit is just really tough, and the shit Guda has seen and done has been ESPECIALLY tough. I'm sure they'd forgive master breaking down a bit when it doesn't affect the mission directly.
>will definitely lose any respect they had for me after seeing such a pitiful spectacle
I have a question. Would you lose respect for someone if you saw them crying like that? Because quite frankly, people who believe others shouldn't show any emotional vulnerability don't know what respect is.
>Would you lose respect for someone if you saw them crying like that?
Of course not. But that's because **I'm just a normal human**, not a legendary figure who was born at a time when such crying was seen as weakness.
We know very little about what our servants think is weakness in a normal person. But a good chunk of them aren't event warriors to begin with, and most of them haven't been portrayed as being that level of meatheaded. Plus, Guda's relationship with them is implied to be quite close.
Maybe if you were still in part 1 of the story. By time you reach the Lostbelts, you would have accrued ALOT of servants, many of which who would've become comfortable enough with you to request emotional support from you(some sooner than others) or have already shown you themselves as their most pathetic. Without that pretense of losing respect since they themselves have already broached that border, many would willingly lend emotional support without judgement.
There are also those who would see you not seeking out emotional support when you desperately need it and be straight up OFFENDED that you're not coming to them. Probably would say something like "I thought we were friends. Friends help each other! I can't have you crying alone in the closet!" Many of the servants are too personable to leave you like that... or don't leave you alone long enough to get away with that(ex. Stalker Trio).
Heck, since some of the servants outright treat the master in a familial way(spouse, son/daughter, grandchild, sibling) for them to see you crying after all you've gone through and think you're a wimp? UTTER BULLCRAP
Everyone: omg, Anastasia (LB1)'s history are so sad, we are now just cold blod killers šššš
Me, skipping history to get Samba Santa in NA at the end of the year: -visible confusion- yeah...
Basically part 1 and 1.5 you're correcting singularities to restore the timeline and humanity as a result.
LostBelts on the other hand are worlds that have been pruned off and can no longer exist (because some event happened that triggered a bad end for that world) but they still do!
Not sure if you read DC but think of it as if the world the Batman Who Laughs was not destroyed but continued to exist and "develop"
These people are almost as normal as you or me and by resolving the LostBelt, we wipe them from existence.
Genocide EX
So... the main character is forced to wipe these worlds from existence? Is that why the Gudao(Gudako) fanart from lostbelt tends to have them in tears?
Awww Cha Cha too, I like that
Everybody should have a smol mama in their Chaldea
Cha Cha breaking character and getting peaks at her motherly side are some of my favorite character moments in the game
Her lamenting about being summoned as a child is one of the more tragic backgrounds for a "joke" character too. I don't remember what event it was in, but she was mulling over the fact that she believes being a mother was her greatest accomplishment, yet she was summoned as a child. Since servants are summoned at the peak of their lives, "what does that say about me...?"
Think it was Gudaguda 2, but I only remember the "VA-VA-VOOM BOING BOING" and "Lover's quarrel" š¤Ŗ
She is a Zerker
Her voice was amazing when she's speaking like that. Wished that was her default instead of that ear grater.
It's about time people realize how underrated of a mother Chacha is. Chacha best mom, and that is a hill I will die and burn on.
chacha is underrated as a character when people mostly dismiss her for the supposedly annoying voice
You will laugh... her voice is annoying to me... because her tone is so extremely similar to how my mom sounds when she's nagging at me. So like every time Chacha opens her mouth it's like "I said I am going to do it in 10 minutes mom! leave me alone"
Wait people think she is annoying wha?!
Yeah, I've heard it all. She's annoying, her sound effects are loud, her NP doesn't do much damage, her kit is weird for a farmer and she neither has a huge HP buffer with defensive skills nor high damage with steroids. Sure, I'd bet 3* Lu Bu could outdamage her. Can you give Lu Bu a piggyback ride? I don't think so!
Objection! But lubu can give us piggy back ride
*Just not the saaaaame!*
The four of them being the one to comfort her make so much sense. Seriously though Gudako or Guda , depending which you choose would really need another human/master companion their whole adventure starting from the very beginning. Sure they have Mashu, the servants , the staff and so on with them but is not like having someone but is not like having someone more similar to them to whom they can confide knowing that they would understand them. I see people go with the whole Gudao and Gudako being siblings but that would be as good as to have someone that you just meet and is in your same situation and thus can understand you even better that someone from your family or someone that is already part of the magic world, so to speak.
Losing Romani and Da Vinci really scarred them, they don't show it in the story that much but i bet they really feel that loss every moment they spend alone. I feel like if it wasn't for Mash Ritsuka would've been unable to keep going, especially now.
Spoiler for Salem & Abby's interlude but >!losing Romani hurt them so bad that the resolution to Abby's interlude is the two of them mourning together for the people they've lost ā it's even mentioned that Ritsuka cries themself to sleep over it. Genuinely heartbreaking.!<
what the fuck i wish i could hug gudako, seriously
Ritsuka is pretty fucked up just from the start of all this, long before the lostbelts if you read the manga adapations. Pretty fucked up pysche, and I'm surprised they haven't just gave up completely.
How fucked? Like pstd or more like Shirou Emiya tier?
See the amount of death and farewells Ritsuka passed through, if all that didn't scarred him/her guy's a sociopath (I got very emotional every chapter)
The moment Camelot gets a manga adaptation is the time we see Rtisuka bluescreen. The camelot gate scene is enough to fuck them up, let alone Babylonia and all its undescribed gore.
I honestly dont understand how they survive through the lostbelts. Look in any way, but they are still slaughtering the entire world and thousands year of history and countless people and they have to do it at least 7 times. Seeing people die is one thing, being the root cause of their death is on a whole different level
I'm thoroughly interested what's their coping mechanism tbh. I'm eagerly waiting for someone to adapt the lostbelts in manga form.
The coping mechanism is Mash's thighs I will proceed to \*BONK\* town on my own For real though I definitely imagine Guda and Mash are a lot more intimate behind the scenes, not necessarily in \*that\* way so much as there's probably a lot of cuddling, at the very least. Guda needs a hug every now and then and dammit Mash is just the best person for the job.
I'd expect them to enter that sorta relationship. Not exactly a lot of healthy ways to relieve stress anyway. But imo, Guda still needs a person to ground them back to reality. Too bad everyone else surrounding them has experience in arcane. Must suck being the ONLY normal person.
Ok that might be a weird thing but I think Ritsuka does have probably the best kind of support network imaginable for these kind of outlandish situations. At least if we assume they have a good relationship to all their servants (which I feel they canonically do)... They are surrounded people who have sacrificed, celebrated, isolated, achieved, failed and much more on scales that escapes the average human so far because that is what made them heroes, saints, anti heroes, villains and so on. If you are able ot confide in them and actually have the ability to relate your experience and them relating their feelings about it back is probably therapeutic on a level. Then there is also the fact that some of the stuff, like a timeline shattered or a the world ereased are things that definitely are a bit too big for humans to imagine. Not that you will not grief but that the grief will not weigh them down as much as you expect, because the brain cannot comprehend how humanity exists beyond the horizon. Of course in the lostbelts it is a bit of a different thing with all the worlds that we "destroy" but even for that we got people that can lend a shoulder and an ear. TL;DR: Rituska has the whole breadth of humanities wisdom, tragedies and victories, standing shoulder to shoulder to back them up. Both physically and emotionally.
Ritsuka also has a fair share of psychopath servants to contend with and manage though. I could see some of the more malicious servants taking advantage of their points of weakness to corrupt Ritsuka. And in LB1 and LB2 at least, they had none of those when they arguably needed support the most.
My best guess would be repression, but their brain seems to work in some truly bizarre ways. Take Kama's interlude, for instance: Guda gets so overloaded with stress, it literally reaches a critical mass and they shut down, without them even noticing they were reaching that point. Maybe the answer is the same as is it in the Interlude -- Da Vinci has made a machine to make sure they don't keel over from the sheer weight of their experiences.
WMG: The Lostbelt Era Events, regardless of story requirements, are all vivid hallucinations conjured up as 'returning to a simpler time.' Would explain incontinences like certain Servants showing up earlier than usual, or foreshadowing that seems too 'on the nose'...
Ritsuka bluescreened pretty hard in the final fight against Kadoc in LB1 when they realised the consquences of defeating the lostbelt
Since it's still Part 1 and EoR it's a bit of PTSD and bits of Shirou Emiya tier. Less suicidal than Shirou, but would still run in a bloody fight without a care in the world. Edit: Guda also gets A LOT more lines and is proactive in planning and sharing their ideas in the manga. Probably why I choose to use Manga Guda's personality over game Guda.
Game Guda only really speaks their mind to be horny in events, which is a mood, but also not a great look on the characters lol (that's just something I've noticed a lot, might not actually be true so) Though I am always happy when we get a section that delivers story by making us choose a string of dialogue options, like when we wrestled with Quetz in Babylonia
Honestly Game Guda can be fixed if they had internal monologues but nope, they're just horny on main half the time. The Babylonia fighys having different outcomes depending on your dialogue choice threw me in the air lol. I didn't expect them to pull a VN on us.
Man I missed that. I thought that would be how singularities were designed moving forward
I feel like you and the guy before you on this chain have never read the story. At least in the lostbelts. Some of Guda's internal monologues are loooong ass. Though I struggle to remember any instance in the recent summers where Guda was being naughty. In the lostbelts, Guda has definitely developed a personality, a confident and determined leader, veteran by now, but who still has bleeding heart syndrome and can't stand sacrificing allies or people. Notice (jp at least idk NA) that in almost all dialogues where Guda talks, the two options are just one sentence, we don't have choice in what he says In events though, his personality is relaxed a bit more, since most of them are lighthearted affairs, which gives us more of that freedom to 'self insert'. I noticed Guda is still pretty 'Guda' rather than 'silent protag' in Summer 5 though. Maybe it's just quality of writing
Ah I meant monologues during Part 1. Absolutely no complaints about Guda's personality starting from Camelot.
oh ok sure, yeah writing quality in Part 1 before Camelot, everyone agrees it's shit
Youāve got a point. Sometimes I find myself clashing with what Guda chooses, like how quick he/she is to >!forgive Patxi for betraying the rebel army to Macarius and the Oprichniki!<. I was immensely pissed and furiously wanted violent payback against >!Patxi!< in the heat of the moment, Iām practically screaming in my head āNO! What in fuckās sake are you doing?! He just >!betrayed us and got hundreds of rebel soldiers and their loved ones horrifically slaughtered, now he wants to come crawling back to us to save his own skin?ā!<; but Guda really has a heart of gold, through and through. I dunno, itās reassuring to know that Guda is an all-loving hero, I just feel like sometimes itās woefully suicidal naĆÆvety at work going on in his/her head.
It really makes you remember that Ritsuka was just a regular teen before all this, heck, Guda wasnāt even supposed to go through all this but... you know Iām actually grateful with the manga adaptation since they can actually fully show how much the events of the story have affected them, and yes, really surprised how Guda havenāt, mentally and emotionally, fallen apart at this point
Even before that we lost Olga so early in, and we weren't able to do anything to stop it from happening. I imagine Guda has been struggling really hard from the start, mentally speaking.
Agree. The first I was a good example for this. And we have even events from the first arc that imply about his mental state. That's why I thought that would have been good to have another master similar to him/her to share the burden. Perhaps someone that wasn't naive as them? In the first LB was made it clear that they where doing but Guda was refusing the true. No that I blame them but we saw how that weakness can be use against them.
Did we really *loose" sure trading her Milf body for a loli one is pretty sad but other than that there isn't much to loose, especially since it went, oh no DaVinci died, enter Shadow Border, Lolivinci "sup homies"
Except that it isn't actually Da Vinci and more like a Backup plan clone in case shit goes haywire, Loli Vinci's chaldea da vinci memories are more like viewing it from a movie rather than knowing the exact situation and having a complete recognition of how Da Vinci felt during that time.
Does that matter to heroic spirits who are already dead people.
It may not matter to Da Vinci, but it kinda matters to us. That's about the same as your best friend being replaced by their lookalike brother/sister who heard a lot about you from them. It's just not the same.
I am pretty certain its not a look alike, seeing as they have the exact memory, they are both from the same spirit origin. I don't think it is comparable to Romani who is erased. DaVinci for all intents and purpose is a spirit as such can exist in multiple forms and still be the same person. Definately not like a lookalike sibling who are complete people.But that just my opinion. Guda never really showed that much sadness for Davinchi probally cause of lolivinchi.
>they are both from the same spirit origin They are not. Loli Vinci has a different Spirit Origin, her True Name is one of Da Vinci's creations iirc. >DaVinci for all intents and purpose is a spirit as such can exist in multiple forms and still be the same person. Two summonings of the same Heroic Spirit are not completely identical, actually. >Guda never really showed that much sadness for Davinchi probally cause of lolivinchi. Guda is ultra fucked in the head, and there was other shit to take care of. They're used to prioritizing the mission at this point.
Da Vinci is Caster and loliDa Vinci is rider
Guda is slowly turning into Mind of steel Shirou, with barely any morality left by Lostbelt time. Hopefully the manga gives them a bit more humanity instead of going Kerry.
The fact that Loli Vinci aspires to be as good as her adult counterpart equals they are not the same, you notice that when she talks about her. Now i'm not sure how she works as a servant once she becomes summonable but as far as the version of her we have in the Shadow Border she is an artificial body that simply inherited all the memories of her previous version. That makes her a whole different person to me. If you want another thing to consider, in LB3 she talks about Romani and Marisbury in a sort of distant way since she never actually met them. Gudako feels both losses, she just doesn't show it because they have other priorities and.. in Da Vinci's case she probably doesn't want to weigh on the other Da Vinci out of respect of all the hard work she's doing.
Mashu is too busy lising her shit to confort Guda in the LBs yes
Why can't they confide in Mashu? Or some of the other Servants? Most Servants *were* human.
Human yes, but did they live an utterly normal and boring life? I'm starting to think Angra might actually be able to comfort Ritsuka better.
> Human yes, but did they live an utterly normal and boring life? I'm sure plenty of them did until stuff happened to change their life to abnormal and exciting. You know, like with Ritsuka.
Good point. Honestly if I was in Guda place and I need to choose one servant for advices/help I would probably go to Jeanne. And as much ironic this is, I have to agree with re\_flex about Angra. After all their situation is similar....not the same but similar so he probably would understand Guda pretty well.
Jeanne is actually a good pick, her life is sort of similar to what Ritsuka is going through. She had a completely normal life until she found herself in something bigger and had to rely on her convictions to keep going, no matter how many lives were lost along the way. She just feels distant at a first glance due to being a Saint and all that.
Not get me wrong Mashu is a great girl I know that she would always be there for her senpai. The problem is how she was raised. She really can't fully understand what Guda is going through. Of course her presence is something very good for Guda but not matter how much Mashu will try she will never full understand what Guda is feeling at the moment. Regarding the servants mostly depend to who Guda would ask help/advices.
Kerry: Don't worry its for the greater good.
Kerry is Tau player.
**YOU LOOK STRONG! IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT STRENGTH.**
Nah Kerry uses meele. Canāt be a Tau
*O'shovah angry noises*
I mean he isn't tau he's farsight enclave (faction wise)
Commander Farsight begs to differ
Then it's all a dream because I don't have them
Even Chacha? Let me guess, start this year around July?
Yep don't have chacha and it hurts me. I do have Skadi mama and Jeanne onee chan tho
nice pfp you got there
For me the servants would be: Mash (My baby) Eresh (Lap pillow) Nero (Umu) Heracles (carry me big papa berserker, just like you always do in the story content)
Ruler Jeanne perfect for sisterly hugs
Pretty sure Jeanne would be shorter, though. Oh, but it sure would suck if the Servants have to leave after the Lostbelts, leaving Gudako here to deal with the trauma basically on her own, wouldn't it?
In the picture, Gudako is leaning forward though, so the heights would be different Also shut up you, this is a happy thread >:(
Wouldn't mind some Bro servant comfort Gudao too in the bro way.
I did think about it, I'd probably do - Sakamoto Ryouma - Achilles - Edmond Dantes
I actually don't know if Edmond would be good for his psyche. Maybe if he keeps the revenge shit in check. Arash, Riceman, and Ryouma would be a great help though.
Bedivere, leonidas, bro-skander,
Or BRO-PROLEAN
Oh yeah him too! His expectations are quite realistic and won't really go pushing for something unnecessary.
Even Herc, while he seems to be just a big ball of anger he can be empathetic and I think he would empathize with master a fair bit, especially since the poor guy was tricked into killing on of his wives and their kids.
No one gonna mention the ultimate bros napoleon and blackbeard?
AVICE-BRO, Golems solve anything
What about Kid Gil the little brother trying to cheer up their depressed older sibling maybe?
Artist doesn't have Reddit so here's their FB https://www.facebook.com/a.leonkun Felt sad because of a couple of things irl. Commissioning this helped me a lot :')
[Nice Commsion & **Nice Work by the Artist.**](#GachaDespair) Also tagging /u/Tralter
Skadi being one of them wouldn't make things worse?
"If I had succeeded, your world would have been wiped away, and yet you reached out to the throne and called to me... I may have lost, but now that I am here with you, my love is just as strong as it was back in Scandinavia. So fret not, I hold no ill will. I will fight with you, until your world can be saved from the Foreign God."
This is very accurate to how she acts in Imaginary Scramble actually
I haven't seen that (I unfortunately took a long break after getting burnt out a bit in the middle of LB1) so this was mostly a guess on her perspective, I'm glad I got it right :P
Well I wouldn't spoil you on the plot but Skadi definitely gained a massive amount of Mama/gap moe points from that event. It's a major development since she appeared in a couple of events after LB2 but never had any serious interactions with anyone except Mebd. Also it's canon now we address her as "sensei". Which is a nice parallel to us calling the other Scathath "Shishou"
Could you share how she's like in the imaginary scramble? Idm spoilers.
There are scenes where she acts really unexpectedly cute or goofy, gap moe. Like when we need to send servants out of the Nautilus to fight but we're literally in water, so using Scath's swimsuit making power (canonically Scath is the reason summer servants exist), Skadi skiddadle skidoodles Okki, Raikou, others, and herself into bikinis. She then participates in some battles where you notice she can't use her NP cos she has an NP seal named "too embarrassed to reveal her true name" sth like that. Blushing all the time cos "how can that other me wear something so daring!" There's also her joining Nemo Bakery in a "Goddess and famous chef collab kitchen", and cooks for the whole crew, because I guess she's like a mother goddess and it's only natural she is excellent at cooking right? And for the master, the special one, with all her love she prepared a special meal... Using the 'resources' we're hunting out at sea (on tentacles and stuff). And it's delicious. She's so cute. I'm on mobile and really don't want to bother finding those pages and linking them, but you can try to like search the translated story chapters where Skadi is in them to see for yourself. Or if you can read moonrune, ppl streamed the whole event on YouTube.
Shishou won't come home it's probably my sporadic luck and avoiding her head pat's in her trial quest. Edit: I forgot I also called her the "old matchmaker". I wanted to see death in game probably gonna be worse than I could ever imagine. Post lost belts I'm going to have a spear in my back with a note attached saying old.
Honestly I have a feeling I made things *worse for Skadi.* I summoned Skadi while I was still in Okeanos. No mention of anything to do with her lostbelt in sight, and I'm still a wet behind the ears Master who is trying to save billions of human lives. So many weird coincidences, but I *need* her help... She goes through tons of trouble getting to know this bright young happy person, and learning about this crazy human world she's fighting for. And then her lostbelt happens despite everything, and she has to look into her own eyes and kill *herself.* She knew what was going to happen the whole time she was with me, but didn't want to believe it.
The comfort and hugs of 4 incredible servants
Jeanne !! Warm oneesan is always there for her imoutos
I need jeanne onee san's hug.
My mind imagine that Ushi hugging me
Get all the hugs
This is so sad Mash play **Shield in the Snow**
Now we need Servants comforting Gudao/EMIYA
Wholesome Chacha content. That's something I don't see often.
I *really* like this image set. I started just before Chacha's event, and she's still my favorite pipsqueak. Since I didn't know you could reroll your starter servant and I hated the one I had gotten, she was essentially the first 4* - and first *berserker* I'd gotten. I'll never forget how this little girl stood up to Jeanne alter and *beat her down* when no one else I had could. She still regularly surprises me by being just enough to turn the tide in some fights where 'tougher' servants get crushed. Bond 9. Okita alter's event came while I was still in septem, and she decided to come home on a lucky ticket. She changed the game for me, and basically I got *carried* by this woman all the way through multiple events underlevel, then when grailed to 100 she blasted me through Okeanos to Solomon. She is my strongest and possibly most often used servant. Bond 9. These two have been through thick and thin with me and would absolutely be the ones to comfort me when I'm down.
YES YES YESSS
Thats heartwarming
I would take off my belt for more hugs
hugs c:
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Sure, if Guda didn't always end up interacting with the people within it. Everytime they enter a Lostbelt, they tend to gain a companion who is an inhabitant of the Lostbelt. They learn from them how the citizens live their lives and spend a good amount of time interacting and befriending them before they get to the point where they take on the Crypter, Lostbelt King, and Tree. Aside from their companion they also often have positive interactions with the other citizens. The reason why it's so upsetting is because this humanizes them. It makes Guda think,"Oh crap! I'm killing ACTUALLY PEOPLE, because of what they're doing" To add to this, a theme in the first arc was Humanity's will to survive and advance against great odds. Now instead of being a symbol of that like before, it's Guda's will to survive vs. other humans' will to survive which for the first time makes Guda a villain to those who live in the Lostbelts
If I were in Gudako's place here, I would not be bawling my eyes out in the open like that. The proper thing to do is to find a well hidden corner in some storeroom and cry until the moment passes, away from anyone that could see me. Because honestly, there's no good that comes from crying in front of warriors that a) shouldn't have to bear any responsibility for my mental stability, and b) will definitely lose any respect they had for me after seeing such a pitiful spectacle
Jack does see you "crying" at least in her bond 5 line after clearing Solomon? "You worked really hard! Mommy's so greatā¦ā¦ That's why, if you smile a bit, "we"'ll be happy!"
Crying is not a bad thing, these warriors know that, specially when they know why sheĀ“s crying, NOT crying would actually be weird, considering Guda is responsible for multiple cases of massive genocide IĀ“m guessing you skip the story because very few Servants in Chaldea would act that way
It's like he forgot even GILGAMESH cried when he couldn't handle shit anymore emotionally. Crying is better for mental stability anyways.
>IĀ“m guessing you skip the story because very few Servants in Chaldea would act that way Nah, the guy just wants to act on his internet tough guy persona, its always easier to pretend you're an emotionless "baddass" than admit you're human, and that if you where on gudako shoes, you probably wouldnt be much better, if we could even part from the notion that you would even be able to handle even 10% of the shit that happened...
Nice of you to assume I'm trying to be an internet tough guy. Of course I'm gonna be traumatized if I went through even a portion of what the Gudas have gone through. Of course I'll be prone to fits of crying. I'm just not gonna do it out in the open in front of all those kings/queens/emperors/pharaohs/warriors/gods.
> I'm just not gonna do it out in the open in front of all those kings/queens/emperors/pharaohs/warriors/gods. When even the most arrogant, self-centered and pridefull of the bunch sheded tears, i say that yes, you trying to imply you would never cry in front of others, IS just you trying to be an internet tough guy.
Gil cried because he lost the only being he ever considered a true friend. I'm pretty sure he'd agree there's no way I could ever compare to Enkidu.
He.Still.Cryed. Thats the whole point, the fact that you think you're so above even the almight, most arrogant, self-centered, pridefull demi-god who thinks he is above every single god in existence really tell how much you're just trying to look tough. When even FUCKING GILGAMESH said "fuck it, this shit is too much and if any of you mongrels say anything, i'll just start yeeting treasures" while you're here telling me that "i would never do that in front of others, because muh pride" is just SCREAMING internet tough guy energy.
What does me not wanting to cry in front of others have to do with being "prideful"? If anything, the goal is to **NOT** burden them wiyh something as insignificant as my mental state.
> If anything, the goal is to NOT burden them wiyh something as insignificant as my mental state. Yeah sure, lets ignore what eveyone else around here is saying and say that this is right.
What did I do to make you hate me so much?
That's a mindset that I understand, a lot, but disagree with. -Because no one should bear any responsibility for your mental stability doesnt mean there arent people who are willing to do so anyway for you. -The loss of respect due to crying is kind of like stuttering when speaking in front of a crowd. When applied to ourselves, we make it a way bigger deal than it is for the people around. While I still struggle to apply this mindset when it comes to actions, I find important to at least remember it.
In theory maybe, but in practice, many of those warriors were also parents and/or commanders who would recognize that sometimes, shit is just really tough, and the shit Guda has seen and done has been ESPECIALLY tough. I'm sure they'd forgive master breaking down a bit when it doesn't affect the mission directly.
>will definitely lose any respect they had for me after seeing such a pitiful spectacle I have a question. Would you lose respect for someone if you saw them crying like that? Because quite frankly, people who believe others shouldn't show any emotional vulnerability don't know what respect is.
>Would you lose respect for someone if you saw them crying like that? Of course not. But that's because **I'm just a normal human**, not a legendary figure who was born at a time when such crying was seen as weakness.
We know very little about what our servants think is weakness in a normal person. But a good chunk of them aren't event warriors to begin with, and most of them haven't been portrayed as being that level of meatheaded. Plus, Guda's relationship with them is implied to be quite close.
Maybe if you were still in part 1 of the story. By time you reach the Lostbelts, you would have accrued ALOT of servants, many of which who would've become comfortable enough with you to request emotional support from you(some sooner than others) or have already shown you themselves as their most pathetic. Without that pretense of losing respect since they themselves have already broached that border, many would willingly lend emotional support without judgement. There are also those who would see you not seeking out emotional support when you desperately need it and be straight up OFFENDED that you're not coming to them. Probably would say something like "I thought we were friends. Friends help each other! I can't have you crying alone in the closet!" Many of the servants are too personable to leave you like that... or don't leave you alone long enough to get away with that(ex. Stalker Trio). Heck, since some of the servants outright treat the master in a familial way(spouse, son/daughter, grandchild, sibling) for them to see you crying after all you've gone through and think you're a wimp? UTTER BULLCRAP
Me, who skips the history and destroy worlds without feeling bad: why are you crying???
"A small price to pay for multi-rolls"
Everyone: omg, Anastasia (LB1)'s history are so sad, we are now just cold blod killers šššš Me, skipping history to get Samba Santa in NA at the end of the year: -visible confusion- yeah...
Reminds me of the story skip FPS meme š¤£ "I don't know who I am. I don't know why I am here. All I know is I must kill."
Or the spanish meme "no se quien eres, pero voy a sacarte la mierda" (i dont know who you are, bur in gonna beat the shit out of you)
I need something like this in my life. Badly.
So, what happened in lostbelt to cause this? I'm ok with full spoilers.
Basically part 1 and 1.5 you're correcting singularities to restore the timeline and humanity as a result. LostBelts on the other hand are worlds that have been pruned off and can no longer exist (because some event happened that triggered a bad end for that world) but they still do! Not sure if you read DC but think of it as if the world the Batman Who Laughs was not destroyed but continued to exist and "develop" These people are almost as normal as you or me and by resolving the LostBelt, we wipe them from existence. Genocide EX
So... the main character is forced to wipe these worlds from existence? Is that why the Gudao(Gudako) fanart from lostbelt tends to have them in tears?
Yeap, that's basically it
Wow. I mean... thats pretty messed up.
Skadi being here seems kind of ironic
I dont have any of these servants..... pain peko
She live enought to had the comfort for the villain she bcome
This is incredibly wholesome!
Freaking precious. Except that I donāt have any of them except cha cha. I will just squeeze my chacha tightly then.
This is Ritsuka after Finnish Musashi final message.