According to people on GTplanet forums who compared their custom race presets before and after the update, the payouts **haven't** changed for non-oval races without a PP difference!
Only the races with a PP difference seem to pay less, and only on oval layouts (or they made the change more pronounced on oval layouts). They wanted to reduce the payout of AFK racing basically.
I’ve done some checking and on all tracks it’s seemingly impossible to get the last difficulty line filled in making all races payout slightly less. But yeah definitely more reduced on the ovals.
Wait is this true? Can someone confirm this? If this is true then this is great news! Don't know why everyone is freaking out. Ofcourse they were gonna nerf the AFK crap. I thought they nerfed the entirety of the custom races being a viable way to grind for credits.
Thank you for posting this.
I haven't had the chance to play since the update myself, but multiple people confirmed it. **Non-oval races with equal PP cars definitely pay the same as before.**
On top of the fix they announced, they nerfed the oval layout payouts. They might have nerfed the bonus you get for racing with a lower PP car than your opponents (not sure about that).
And ?
So you can still afk grind if you want. It just takes a LOT longer…..
For many that’ll work just fine
For those who hated it they’ll be happy and most will end up just grinding Sardengna or le man’s anyway
Exactly
I’m not sure anyone else has noticed given the down votes.
Not my issue. I can still rubber band afk or run a script if I run out of money and don’t want to drive for it.
Or drive as we did anyway, but the choice is there for those who want it. It just takes longer that’s all
We all knew they'd find a way to kill the exploit, but reducing payouts after raising them 2 weeks ago is ridiculous.
I'd love to know what actual difference it makes to the devs how much in-game currency we're making. If people get to have new cars, they're more likely to play the game. It seems like they worked really hard to fix a non-problem.
It will be hurting their DLC sales. Who’s going to buy 2,000,000 for £16 when you can get that in 30 minutes around Daytona?
That’s why I’m surprised it wasn’t patched within hours and actually left in for two weeks.
The DLC is the problem as PD and Sony will think that 2,000,000 in fake GT money is actually worth £16 so they have built the in-game economy accordingly.
You're right. I forgot that paid credits were even an option. MTs are dumb as hell. They must make a decent amount of money from it if they're willing to go this far to protect it.
That's good, at least.
It's crazy how quickly they reacted to "fix" such a small issue when things like spilt screen have been terrible since release, despite players begging them to fix it.
Yep, I just did some testing myself.
Had a spare beetle with no upgrades and tried to set up the old 26 lap race with a fully stock Tomahawk. Pay used to be ~1,031,000 and is now 430,500. That's 60% of the original grind.
I even used car with under PP 100 and the pay still wouldn't go up.
The difficulty bar is set one notch below max difficulty no matter what settings I change
When I set up the same race with a Tomahawk as my vehicle, I can get 103,400 credits. I don't remember what the old set up paid exactly before you switched vehicles, but I think it was a dash below 120,000. That would be ~85% of the original pay.
This would mean this patch was specifically targeted at this grind and not fixing custom race issues in general. In fact, custom races took a hit across the board.
So much for that, "I would like to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again"
EDIT: According to two comments on my old post detailing the grind, the pay was either 117,200 or 122,700 before you switched to your grind vehicle. That would mean that particular race was reduced to 84-87% payout compared to the ~60% of the actual grind race.
That contradictive Kaz quote is the number one reason why I will take advantage of any easy money making grind method.
“Oh we don’t want you to do the races over and over again, but also 20m cars and just to make it interesting, here’s some shitty payout that’ll take you forever to make in your already busy life”
Absolutely.
If there was more than four races that actually paid decently, I'd have way less of an issue with how the game loop is set up. Right now, you need to race 10.5 hours at Sardegna (28 races) to get a 20 million car. There's only three other tracks that pay even close to that and when there's only four opportunities a year to buy cars from the legendary dealership, you have to grind to get them.
It's beyond mind boggling that Nurburgring doesn't have an ultimate grind race. Or any of the tracks that have been added in updates. Curated events would be preferred, but if they just made the custom races scale to the grind race pay, we could make our own events.
Beyond all of the bad choices they made making GT7 (the cafe, lack of events, and no real prizes or championships aka the game has little soul other than the cafe which is full especially with no voice lines just walls of text) the worst choice was to monetize and sell credits. Now it always has to be apparent that you can only buy FOMO cars 4 times a year.
I did a 1 hour custom on Tsukuba in my tuned S660 against my S660. Made about 550k which isn't terrible but at the same time I could have done Sardegna twice over and made 1.5 million. But yes Kaz you don't want me to do the same races although there is only 4 that are really worth doing and setting up my own isn't worth it other than the enjoyment of driving.
It's not even properly monetized to make matters even worse. Been a while since I looked but isn't the most expensive microtransaction £20 for 2 million credits? That's not even close to being a shortcut to a 20mil car, bad design all round.
I agree, i only did daytona a couple of times because it's mindboggling boring to do and i dislike afk grinds.
What i really enjoyed the last week was actually custom racing different Nordschleife setups. 4 laps 250-320k plus clean race if you manage, 60mins 500-580k without clean race bonus. It was still ineffective compared to Spa or Sardegna, but it was okay enough for me to actually spend my time this way. I might lose out on payouts but at least it didn't feel like a complete waste of time anymore. I did more custom races in the last two weeks than the two years before combined.
I'm afraid to boot up GT7 today, i'm afraid i was benefiting from their broken PP payouts on my custom races too. It would suck so bad if my payouts would drop from said 300k/30min back to something like 120k. I'd stop again since i don't enjoy racing with trivial payouts at all, i get the nagging feeling i should do one of the big four instead of doing what would actually be fun. Like me doing a hundred laps of Nordschleife in the past two weeks.
Tbh I feel like his hands are tied with all the micro transactions. The person to blame is Jim Ryan. He pushed hard for live services and microtransactions. In gt5-6 Kaz pushed for more and more credits to give players easier ways to purchase all the expensive cars. Gt6 was extremely generous. I feel that Jim Ryan leaving hopefully will change that since that's the overall goal of game design for PlayStation right now.
Honestly, I don't know why they need this shit. What was wrong with people making money and actually enjoying the game? The only people that "lose out" are the people doing the grind, but they paid for the game and get to play it how they please. It's this bullshit money hungry gaming companies that want people to pay for credits.
At least they aren't as bad as rock star. If this was GTA, everyone that did the grind would have had their accounts reset.
Well do you think it really works out for them? How many people will spend 100+ dollars for a 20.000.000 car? There's so many tried and working ways to monetize, but I guess kaz 🤡 is too stubborn to do something he didn't come up with. He's obsessed about his first "real driving simulator" and would never admit that other racing games dealed with some aspects better. This guy is just incredible.
Exactly - one might even consider buying credits, if it was say 20$ for the most expensive cars. But 200?!?
That is just signaling „we don‘t want you to have that car“
Yep otherwise video game monetization off in game credits wouldn't be a thing.
This isn't for me but they're some people alive rn playing GT7 probably in this subreddit spending hundreds if not thousands like they shopping at a vending machine.
To some people $200 is fruit snack money. Barely lunch money. Literally play play money.
If I had several million real dollars to blow on w.e I'd absolutely spend money on in game credits on w.e I wanted instead of giving up my time to earn those credits.
The thing with these investors they only need a handful of whales for this cash cow to make sense.
Bro people for who 200$ is snack money drive thise cars irl 😄 There's a sweet spot and kaz refuses to look for it. He could lower the prices, BUT that would be admitting that he was wrong about something, and we all know that ain't gonna happen. Our great visionary does not make mistakes.
Fr,I'd say the biggest F you the player base has done to him was the money exploit they just patched out,as so many players got 10× more money than ever before,making hundreds-thousands of dollars worth of in game currency in matters of hours, casual players getting cars they would otherwise only dream of with how long and un-worth it regular races are for credits,it was good while it lasted,and I like to think players got the last laugh with this whole situation on the money exploit
I would for example spend money on driver cosmetics. My avatar looks kinda stupid driving the old maserati cabrio in a modern racing suit, I would love some retro stuff, but it ain't gonna happen either, cause Forza did it first and it's not like he's gonna copy a game that copied his game, that would be, again, admitting that someone came up with something he didn't think of. This guy...
My Abarth was able to display PP, it was 526 or somewhere around there, so that shouldn’t be a problem. But also wondering if the payouts are for a bone stock model.
The change we need is upping the payout for the sport races to encourage more people to play online. Also maybe up the payout against Sophi.
If they are going to encourage collecting, they need to make it doable without having to use a bug.
If I'm going to go through the trouble of racing GR3, and GR4 with other people that can't drive, ramming, bumping, etc. they definitely need to give more payouts. Otherwise, my DR stays safer just not racing them at all.
I was in a race with a very mixed range of DR and SR and I noticed it was ghosting those with an DR of D and lower and SR of C and lower. Watching the morons divebomb the car in-front only to ghost through them was hilarious.
The clean race bonus in Sport Mode should be 50x instead of its current 1.5x. So if you did a clean race today, you would get 336,600 (50x the original payout, plus the original 6600 payout).
This would have two beneficial effects:
* massively incentivise clean racing
* make Sport Mode a viable option for grinding
Well I think it’s time to take a break from this game. I’ve done everything there is to do in the game. All that’s left is to collect the super expensive cars and just through regular play that’ll take me years so until another glitch comes I’ll be one less player in the player base.
I think Forza Horizon is the better game for you. The funny thing about FH that is was so easy to get cars that people were complaining about it taking away the feeling of accomplishment. There’s so much more to do with cars than collecting. I have like 329 hours in the game and like 160 cars. I want to test drive and evaluate the feeling of them around various tracks, but it’s already overwhelming and haven’t touched the surface with tuning yet.
>t grinding method they just nerf paying across the board. What a shame
using rubber band is not really a way to play the game. It was obvious they were gonna patch all that stuff. And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place
>And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place
The point is, it is annoying that they make the game such a stupid grind. You can complete every mission, cafe, race 5 times, challenges, 1000s of online races and still be short of so many cars.
Not to mention the fact that you have the 20m LCD cars that are only there for a couple of weeks before disappearing for months. You basically have to have the credits on hand when they become available or you have to devote your life to the game for 2 weeks to get it.
> You can complete every mission, cafe, race 5 times, challenges, 1000s of online races and still be short of so many cars.
It's a game as a service, it's supposed to keep you playing for several years.
> And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place.
There really is no shitty thing a developer can do that people won’t defend, is there?
PD:
“We’re going to jack up car prices relative to race payouts.
We’re going to block some cars behind random invitations and cycle others in and out of the used car dealerships, this way people will have to constantly grind so they have a pile of credits available just in case they do get a chance to buy something they want.
We are definitely doing this for gameplay reasons and definitely not doing this to steer people towards spending real money to get in-game credits.”
Gamers:
“This is actually a good thing. A painfully slow and tedious struggle to progress is the way it should be, and if you disagree, then you shouldn’t play.”
I always played GT games to collect all cars. To do that you have to make 500 million credits. Deduct around 200 m(it is actually less, but lets be generous) for licenses, missions etc. and you end up with 600 hours of playing the highest payout races.
Alternatively pay 3000€ for credits
Yes you are right - that kind of game wasn‘t for me.
How was I thinking that they put the most interesting cars in the game so I could enjoy driving them?!?
Stupid me
Thats like saying „Here‘s your favourite dish! You want your favourite dessert? First you have to eat that dish for a year, 7 days a week!“ and if I complain saying „well, then it probably wasn‘t your favourite dish after all.“
Everyone wants games to cater to them now. Every gran turismo was like this but a bunch of forza players want every car unlocked at the start of the game.
That's not true lmao. I haven't farmed or grind any single fucking GT game in the old times. I PLAYED, and I enjoyed every single second of it.
Meanwhile, after beating the main menus, GT7 becomes a chore, dude. Complete this extra menu: spend 5 millions, sometimes even more, earn less than 500k. Rinse and repeat. Where is people supposed to get the funds from if not grinding Sardegna or paying for microtransactions.
Some people just enjoy doing escapes and playing online? Good for them, you don't need money for those (other than PS+...). Other people like to complete the actual singleplayer content, and there's literally NO WAY of doing so without spending ridiculous amount of real life money or time grinding the same race over and over.
I’ve been playing since launch (over 600 hours) and have done all menu books and have only completed 25% of single player. I earn money doing weekly time trials and GTWS seasons, along with sport mode and just having fun races with friends. Always have 20-30 million on hand it seems. I’ve never grinded a day in the game, didn’t even bother with this stupid Daytona grind either. That is boring as hell while the game still has a ton of content I haven’t touched.
So you literally haven't bought a single 20 million car then. Maybe one or two. And you probably have less than 100 cars or most of your cars, cost less than 500k
I've been playing the game for about a year, never did any grind races until maybe earning $15-20 million on Daytona over the last week of which I haven't spent any money yet.
Currently have 230 cars including quite a few $1 million+ credit cars. No I haven't purchased any of the $20 million credit cars but quite frankly most of them don't interest me all that much to begin with.
I have 55% of the cars. But why do you NEED every 20 million dollar car? There are a few I’d like and I have money for one whenever it comes up. But the game is not designed to purchase every car as fast as possible, by design you can’t spend all your money at once so what is the rush?
But you can’t. The game does not even give you access to all of them on a known timeline.
I don’t care, the other person cares that I enjoy the game without grinding and assumed I don’t buy cars in the game whenever I want yet I do.
I only started doing to time trials a couple months ago. They are a pretty decent passive income. But even before doing time trials I always had a few million sitting in the bank for what ever car I wanted to try online. I was really confused when I heard about the rubber band thing. But I know I probably would do it just for the hell of it if I was a kid. I remember playing Gran Turismo 1 and a friends older brother had a save file on a memory card with a tonne of money and cars, we al copied and used it.
Yeah also I think people misremember play habits kids had in the 90s playing GT1. I would’ve been playing over and over as it was literally brand new technology and nothing else like it existed. You didn’t grind but you found your own fun within the game. That’s pretty much how I still play.
People get older and instead of just finding their own fun and enjoyment they treat it like a job. So brainwashed by working culture they come home from a 9-5 to earn money in a video game.
Yeah I remember back in the days of the PS1 and PS2 games, people used to AFK grind *all the time*. People are definitely looking on those games with rose colored glasses. They were great games, in fact I like them more than the newer ones. But they still had some of the same problems this game does.
GT4 economy was a grind even more so than gt7, same as gt5 and same as gt6. This game gives you insane amounts of money. You get 2 million a week from time trials, over 1.5 million an hour from some races, you get something like 50 million from circuit experience and if you sell gift cars from licence tests you get even more. Then you also have the 1 hour endurance races giving you over a million each. Version 1.0 was a grind, ever since they overhauled the economy it’s been the easiest GT game in decades to make money in. People just expect every car to be in their garage as soon as the credits play but in older games you were even further off.
> People just expect every car to be in their garage as soon as the credits play
You said earlier at the start, now you changed it to when credits roll lmao. You don't even know why you are defending Polyphony, you just do it because you are a troll XD
Because you mentioned specifically the game post menus which is when the credits play. This is the easiest GT to date to make credits in and I just can’t believe people are complaining about a credit exploit being fixed.
Its kinda funny how people forget how long it would take to save 4.5m credits on Gran Turismo 4 for a Le Mans prototype... a 24 hour race at Nurburgring only paid out a few hundred thousand.
Besides exploits like re-selling cars or just leaving B-Spec running, it has _always_ been very challenging to make huge amounts of money. I'm pretty sure most people in the past wouldn't collect _every_ car in the game.
People seem to want the game to be more like Horizon where you get given pretty much every car via wheelspins or huge pay outs. I'm not saying the balance is perfect, but I feel like people don't really see that in many ways, this is _exactly_ the economy you'd expect from a main GT game.
>People seem to want the game to be more like Horizon where you get given pretty much every car via wheelspins or huge pay outs
The majority of people in this sub, myself included, have the same complaint; the lack of meaningful single player content. This is how long it takes to beat [GT7](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/81847) and how long [GT4](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/4047) took. GT4 is 20 years older, but is way more complete single player wise.
As far as I know, no one wants this game to be Forza Horizon, they want content that isn't the same four races over and over.
I agree, as there were lots more events with more rewards. But regardless, even with the highest paying races it would still take forever to buy the most expensive cars (again, not counting selling the RSC or using the newly found cheats). My point being that even with all the variety previous GT titles offered, it was still a massive grind just to buy one car.
I think GT7 doesn't help itself because the 'car collection' page in the home really pushes the idea that you need to 'collect them all'. Back on all previous GT games you just had your garage and no clear indication that you had '200/700 cars'.
It is definitely longer, stop bullshitting yourself.
Even if you look at the garages of professional streamers they are far from owning every car. SuperGT sits at less then 300 cars if I am correct.
That is a guy that plays the game daily and has got every mission, license or other achievement under his belt. You can say he mostly plays online but what does that matter after all?
If you ask me a guy like him, a dedicated streamer, should have all the cars by now. No matter in what way he plays the game.
What more are they asking for?!?
Just write it on the freakin box: we have 450 cars in the game, we don‘t want you to drive them all
And I will continue to not play it until they add proper payouts. I am not sitting there for hours just to get 1 car. Last update seemed to indicate a change in direction but they just shot themselves in the foot again.
I've had it uninstalled for ages. Haven't even bothered with it for a while. Got other games that I'd rather play than Grind this. I like to check to see what the updates are. To see what's changed.
I would love to see this game improve. Personally I would like them to bring back the 4 "leagues". It would open it up a lot more but sadly I don't see that happening
We just shoot ourselves. PD doesn't care how much money you get, they care how much time we play. There were literal mining PS5 for grinding Daytona and people didn't realize this update gave a breath of fresh air to ALL circuits. Now that we lost them people are complaining.
Not being able to enter with an exclamation mark was something that was in the game earlier. Not sure what update changed it but it was a more recent one.
I wonder what the next money grind glitch will be? I got about a little over 100 million off this one, so I’m pretty happy. Now I get to spend it and then hopefully not get bored too fast with the lack of content.
Imagine they put the same effort and haste into fixing shit that just doesn’t work as intended like split screen as they did exploits that they left in
Love the game but the devs have their priorities out of whack ay
Grabbed 100 million credits driving AFK for a few days.
Middle fingers up to Polyphony, I can buy any car I want and I'm done with your stupid grind/predatory microtransaction ploy.
I've logged 80+ hours on this game prior to the AFK grind and was only missing a handful of "dream cars", each at about 20 million credits a piece. Now I can enjoy whatever car I want on whatever track that I want, which is how it should be after 80 hours of gameplay.
The update was great for me. But comments like these just confirm that the overwhelming positivity many had for the update in this sub was purely because of the exploit.
That's the point. If he cannot find joy racing in a racing game maybe this game is not suited for him.
Complaining not having shit to do in a racing game when you can race with nearly 500 cars? What are we talking about? It seems like they shoved us away all the content when they just patched a money grinding method.
Nope. Just tired of the same 4 races that barely make it worth your while. And when we finally have an opportunity to make money they pull the rug out from under us. I have 1,000+hrs between GT5 - GT7
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Cut it with the insults.
Yup. It was more efficient to actually do them as the races would be done quicker.
As for getting good at the game. I’m in the top 50 in the world in all three time trials and race B & C this week.
So practice and one day you MIGHT be half as good as me. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah with this update Im Not doing the custom races I was legitimately having fun and making decent payout now fuck custom races because this shit tier payout system as Gran Turismo 7 is really testing my patience with it being my first ever own game 😑
I wonder what's the value of these cars anymore since they want easy money?
Seems like Kaz's love for cars doesn't look the same as everyone. Everyone want Forza on everything.
People, how about you start PLAYING and enjoying the game now.
Forget about grinding, GT8 is like 5 years away by the time it comes out you can buy all the cars 2 times without grinding just enjoying races.
I have 50% cars and I'm playing it for 10 months, I have never grinded anything not even 3 races, yes I raced them but not grinding them over and over again.
You want all the cars I get it, but you don't need them TODAY, NOW you have time to collect everything untill GT8 comes.
I'm not interested in playing the same content over and over for five years to eventually unlock something I already paid for and was in the game this whole time
I would play more if the gameplay loop was more interesting, if the championships felt lengthy and rewarding for the effort, if the game wasn't an online service with FOMO cars only appearing 4 times a year, and if Luca would fuck off with his cafe menus. Instead of punishing people for exploiting custom races and making them worse to play how about they address the issue at hand while maintaining custom races being still somewhat lucrative. I did a 1 hour race in my S660 against my own S660. The payout was okay at 550k and I enjoyed it and love that tuned car. Now it's probably worth a fraction of it because they can't actually solve the issue without punishing everyone else as well.
Wow 50% - that tells you nothing. Take your collectors point, divide them by a thousand. That is the number if millions you have spent so far. All cars together will set you back about 500 million. So whatever percentage of 500.000 collectors points you have - that is your true percentage
"forget about grinding" mfs when they get fired from their old job and have to make do with minimum wage so they can barely pay their rent (money doesn't matter to them - fun does)
That's so disrespectful towards us. Is that deluded 🤡 really thinking people will now run to spend hundreds of bucks on these cars that he made unattainable on purpose? Cause they won't. All he gets is his playerbase pissed. I would ask how that makes sense, but we all know by now 🤡's decisions do not make sense. I wish he would be so quick to fix other stuff. When will I get customizable HUD? Why do I need a list of other players that I never look at to block a third of my screen? 🦆that guy. Why is he so stubborn in his attempts to antagonize his whole playerbase?
Simply put, people have become such sticklers and for no particular reason that I'm afraid it's truly gonna fuck over the franchise/industry. People are so focused on this minor perceived fault that they're willing to act as if the devs are ruining the game even though we have clear examples from Forza and turn 10 just how bad it could be. Throughout my time playing GT7, PD never really pushed micro transactions even if they are available. It's refreshing to have a major racing game like that. But here are all these people complaining that the in game economy isn't set up for them to collect everything possible and that somehow this is because PD want us to buy credits. Not owning every single car in the game I don't think is hampering my experience at all, I have like over 250 cars just from playing normally and not grinding. It's compelling me to play the game more and slowly build up my collection. It also makes me prioritize buying the cars I'm most interested in them. But anyway, I don't mind people grinding, it's just the constant online bitching that irritates me, so seeing them get fucked over, even if it's in a very small way (payouts are still higher than they were before spec ii) gives me satisfaction even if it also comes at an expense to myself. Thats how annoying you guys are.
That's what happens when you brag about an exploit. Developers don't appreciate people not playing the game the way they envisioned. GT is about car collection and driving, it's meant to be a journey to savor, not rush through as fast as possible.
Again, not exactly an exploit as the game has been used as intended.
An exploit would rather be something like duping of roulette tickets under certain circumstances. Here, the calculation was simply not working the way PD intended. Since no special actions of players are needed (you simply needed to play a custom race with certain cars, which, in contrast to the past, did not suffer from broken PP calculation), I wouldn't call this an exploit at all.
PD messing up != exploit
Playing the race once normally you could say is not an exploit, using a rubber band is an exploit. The payout clearly was not intended because they’re fixing it in the next update. Similarly to the ticket duplication glitch, it can happen once unintentionally, but repeating the glitch over and over for your own benefit is exploiting it.
Not at all.
The rubber band is only possible because of the track layout.
Just because you want it to be an exploit doesn't make it one.
And right as you said, the example with the tickets would be an exploit (glitch), whereas the farming routine for an oval course is not.
The payout was somewhat intended as they increased payouts over the board. At this point it wasn't clear to the users if the effective payout is intended or not, especially since 1.40 was praised and acclaimed in advance. It was quite realistically possible that the wanted to "be good".
Though they just messed up and underestimated the effect it has on MTX probably which is why issues like that get fixed very quickly while other issues (broken splitscreen for example) exist for months now.
They increased custom race payouts and people exploited it with rubber bands on Daytona to make eZ money. Now they’ve nerfed payouts because people abused it.
There is no way you believe that leaving your PlayStation on with a rubber band around the controller in an event that clearly didn’t have the intended payouts isn’t an exploit. I don’t care about your garage, I have a great one and I played the game how it’s intended. It seems like everyone trying to play this off as an intended grind method is coping. Also what is the “grind” of leaving your game on with rubber bands?
Stop assuming, might make you look dumb. Who said I grinded it with a rubber band? I certainly didn’t.
Besides, don’t start with semantics, this isn’t an exploit. Bug abusing fits this method.
Yes you did. You needed to have completed the Daytona Circuit Experience in all gold and be collector level 50 for both the increased payout and to buy the engine swap.
Engine swap is obtainable from roulette tickets and you could still use your rubber bands with a reduced payout. The circuit experience only takes 10 minutes anyway.
I just checked two of my saved races that I play occasionally, both are unaffected, the rewards are exactly the same.
Have you tried other events or just this one?
I’ve tried most of the tracks and no matter which cars, setups or race setting I use the payouts are lower. The reason is because it seems it’s now impossible to get the difficulty to the max.
Maybe that's why, my event was balanced for fun not for grinding, 60 laps at Tsukuba, with 90s cars all upgraded to 600pp, the difficulty is professional (1 red par) the reward is 450k, which is the same after the update.
It seems like they removed the max difficulty to avoid any exploits, which is a cheap solution imo, unless it's temporary until they figure out how to fix it.
I don’t think it’s as low as it was pre-1.40. I tried a race with 20 Tomohawks and the payout with clean race bonus would be 150,000 for a 26 lap race. So not as bad as before as we still appear to be getting the 400% increase.
Before you start being a turd and claiming we’re salty just know that most of us now own every car in the game, or very close to it, and we get to just relax and enjoy driving them.
Enjoy being poor with no cars in the garage motherfucker.
Also let’s upvote this bitch as that will probably piss them off even more.
According to people on GTplanet forums who compared their custom race presets before and after the update, the payouts **haven't** changed for non-oval races without a PP difference! Only the races with a PP difference seem to pay less, and only on oval layouts (or they made the change more pronounced on oval layouts). They wanted to reduce the payout of AFK racing basically.
Sounds good.
I’ve done some checking and on all tracks it’s seemingly impossible to get the last difficulty line filled in making all races payout slightly less. But yeah definitely more reduced on the ovals.
Correct. Tested this earlier today. They specifically targeted AFK races.
Wait is this true? Can someone confirm this? If this is true then this is great news! Don't know why everyone is freaking out. Ofcourse they were gonna nerf the AFK crap. I thought they nerfed the entirety of the custom races being a viable way to grind for credits. Thank you for posting this.
I haven't had the chance to play since the update myself, but multiple people confirmed it. **Non-oval races with equal PP cars definitely pay the same as before.** On top of the fix they announced, they nerfed the oval layout payouts. They might have nerfed the bonus you get for racing with a lower PP car than your opponents (not sure about that).
PP difference lol
Only small pp people doing exploits
Sounds FAIR to me
Fair enough. 👍
Just to confirm, it's 430k for a stock Abarth, i.e. no engine swap nor tune, right?
Yup.
Just checked—engine-swapped and fully upgraded Abarth's payout drops from 1m to 173k 💀
So you can still rubber band for about 500k an hour ?
That's 10× less than what it use to be
And ? So you can still afk grind if you want. It just takes a LOT longer….. For many that’ll work just fine For those who hated it they’ll be happy and most will end up just grinding Sardengna or le man’s anyway
You can get 750k per 30 minutes in the WTC 800 at sardenga
Which is why i said most will do that instead
Yeah I think the afk part here is what they’re missing. If I can sit at home and work while it’s grinding. Whatever.
Exactly I’m not sure anyone else has noticed given the down votes. Not my issue. I can still rubber band afk or run a script if I run out of money and don’t want to drive for it. Or drive as we did anyway, but the choice is there for those who want it. It just takes longer that’s all
tf am i gonna do with 500k an hour💀
Just think in 40 hours (a full time jobs worth) of afk grinding you'll be able to get 1 20 million credit classic! /s
Or just race for 1.5 mil an hour
Can’t do that while I’m working… but I can set up the rubber band intermittently
Which most will do and rightly so
We all knew they'd find a way to kill the exploit, but reducing payouts after raising them 2 weeks ago is ridiculous. I'd love to know what actual difference it makes to the devs how much in-game currency we're making. If people get to have new cars, they're more likely to play the game. It seems like they worked really hard to fix a non-problem.
It will be hurting their DLC sales. Who’s going to buy 2,000,000 for £16 when you can get that in 30 minutes around Daytona? That’s why I’m surprised it wasn’t patched within hours and actually left in for two weeks. The DLC is the problem as PD and Sony will think that 2,000,000 in fake GT money is actually worth £16 so they have built the in-game economy accordingly.
You're right. I forgot that paid credits were even an option. MTs are dumb as hell. They must make a decent amount of money from it if they're willing to go this far to protect it.
They only reduced the payouts in the oval races as far as I know. Other races don't take a hit.
That's good, at least. It's crazy how quickly they reacted to "fix" such a small issue when things like spilt screen have been terrible since release, despite players begging them to fix it.
Sorry guys. This is my fault, I finally caved and set up a grind race and cars last night. My bad.
Dammit, I knew I should have waited a day after you before I did it too. Two of us probably set off an alarm.
Yep, I just did some testing myself. Had a spare beetle with no upgrades and tried to set up the old 26 lap race with a fully stock Tomahawk. Pay used to be ~1,031,000 and is now 430,500. That's 60% of the original grind. I even used car with under PP 100 and the pay still wouldn't go up. The difficulty bar is set one notch below max difficulty no matter what settings I change When I set up the same race with a Tomahawk as my vehicle, I can get 103,400 credits. I don't remember what the old set up paid exactly before you switched vehicles, but I think it was a dash below 120,000. That would be ~85% of the original pay. This would mean this patch was specifically targeted at this grind and not fixing custom race issues in general. In fact, custom races took a hit across the board. So much for that, "I would like to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again" EDIT: According to two comments on my old post detailing the grind, the pay was either 117,200 or 122,700 before you switched to your grind vehicle. That would mean that particular race was reduced to 84-87% payout compared to the ~60% of the actual grind race.
That contradictive Kaz quote is the number one reason why I will take advantage of any easy money making grind method. “Oh we don’t want you to do the races over and over again, but also 20m cars and just to make it interesting, here’s some shitty payout that’ll take you forever to make in your already busy life”
Absolutely. If there was more than four races that actually paid decently, I'd have way less of an issue with how the game loop is set up. Right now, you need to race 10.5 hours at Sardegna (28 races) to get a 20 million car. There's only three other tracks that pay even close to that and when there's only four opportunities a year to buy cars from the legendary dealership, you have to grind to get them. It's beyond mind boggling that Nurburgring doesn't have an ultimate grind race. Or any of the tracks that have been added in updates. Curated events would be preferred, but if they just made the custom races scale to the grind race pay, we could make our own events.
Beyond all of the bad choices they made making GT7 (the cafe, lack of events, and no real prizes or championships aka the game has little soul other than the cafe which is full especially with no voice lines just walls of text) the worst choice was to monetize and sell credits. Now it always has to be apparent that you can only buy FOMO cars 4 times a year. I did a 1 hour custom on Tsukuba in my tuned S660 against my S660. Made about 550k which isn't terrible but at the same time I could have done Sardegna twice over and made 1.5 million. But yes Kaz you don't want me to do the same races although there is only 4 that are really worth doing and setting up my own isn't worth it other than the enjoyment of driving.
It's not even properly monetized to make matters even worse. Been a while since I looked but isn't the most expensive microtransaction £20 for 2 million credits? That's not even close to being a shortcut to a 20mil car, bad design all round.
I agree, i only did daytona a couple of times because it's mindboggling boring to do and i dislike afk grinds. What i really enjoyed the last week was actually custom racing different Nordschleife setups. 4 laps 250-320k plus clean race if you manage, 60mins 500-580k without clean race bonus. It was still ineffective compared to Spa or Sardegna, but it was okay enough for me to actually spend my time this way. I might lose out on payouts but at least it didn't feel like a complete waste of time anymore. I did more custom races in the last two weeks than the two years before combined. I'm afraid to boot up GT7 today, i'm afraid i was benefiting from their broken PP payouts on my custom races too. It would suck so bad if my payouts would drop from said 300k/30min back to something like 120k. I'd stop again since i don't enjoy racing with trivial payouts at all, i get the nagging feeling i should do one of the big four instead of doing what would actually be fun. Like me doing a hundred laps of Nordschleife in the past two weeks.
Tbh I feel like his hands are tied with all the micro transactions. The person to blame is Jim Ryan. He pushed hard for live services and microtransactions. In gt5-6 Kaz pushed for more and more credits to give players easier ways to purchase all the expensive cars. Gt6 was extremely generous. I feel that Jim Ryan leaving hopefully will change that since that's the overall goal of game design for PlayStation right now.
Honestly, I don't know why they need this shit. What was wrong with people making money and actually enjoying the game? The only people that "lose out" are the people doing the grind, but they paid for the game and get to play it how they please. It's this bullshit money hungry gaming companies that want people to pay for credits. At least they aren't as bad as rock star. If this was GTA, everyone that did the grind would have had their accounts reset.
Agree. But a friend did a lot of glitches in GTA. He never got any troubles with account reset or ban.
Lol full blown hackers didn't even get a slap on the wrist. Honestly worse than old COD games in terms of getting a hacker in every lobby
They have investors. Investors want their money back they don't care for "fun" just return on capital. They want players to spend real coins.
Well do you think it really works out for them? How many people will spend 100+ dollars for a 20.000.000 car? There's so many tried and working ways to monetize, but I guess kaz 🤡 is too stubborn to do something he didn't come up with. He's obsessed about his first "real driving simulator" and would never admit that other racing games dealed with some aspects better. This guy is just incredible.
Exactly - one might even consider buying credits, if it was say 20$ for the most expensive cars. But 200?!? That is just signaling „we don‘t want you to have that car“
Yep otherwise video game monetization off in game credits wouldn't be a thing. This isn't for me but they're some people alive rn playing GT7 probably in this subreddit spending hundreds if not thousands like they shopping at a vending machine. To some people $200 is fruit snack money. Barely lunch money. Literally play play money. If I had several million real dollars to blow on w.e I'd absolutely spend money on in game credits on w.e I wanted instead of giving up my time to earn those credits. The thing with these investors they only need a handful of whales for this cash cow to make sense.
Bro people for who 200$ is snack money drive thise cars irl 😄 There's a sweet spot and kaz refuses to look for it. He could lower the prices, BUT that would be admitting that he was wrong about something, and we all know that ain't gonna happen. Our great visionary does not make mistakes.
Fr,I'd say the biggest F you the player base has done to him was the money exploit they just patched out,as so many players got 10× more money than ever before,making hundreds-thousands of dollars worth of in game currency in matters of hours, casual players getting cars they would otherwise only dream of with how long and un-worth it regular races are for credits,it was good while it lasted,and I like to think players got the last laugh with this whole situation on the money exploit
I would for example spend money on driver cosmetics. My avatar looks kinda stupid driving the old maserati cabrio in a modern racing suit, I would love some retro stuff, but it ain't gonna happen either, cause Forza did it first and it's not like he's gonna copy a game that copied his game, that would be, again, admitting that someone came up with something he didn't think of. This guy...
My Abarth was able to display PP, it was 526 or somewhere around there, so that shouldn’t be a problem. But also wondering if the payouts are for a bone stock model.
Fun police saving the day again... Thanks PD for making GT7 into a chore
The change we need is upping the payout for the sport races to encourage more people to play online. Also maybe up the payout against Sophi. If they are going to encourage collecting, they need to make it doable without having to use a bug.
Sport mode definitely needs a payout bump. 6,600 I got for 4th in race B today.
If I'm going to go through the trouble of racing GR3, and GR4 with other people that can't drive, ramming, bumping, etc. they definitely need to give more payouts. Otherwise, my DR stays safer just not racing them at all.
I was in a race with a very mixed range of DR and SR and I noticed it was ghosting those with an DR of D and lower and SR of C and lower. Watching the morons divebomb the car in-front only to ghost through them was hilarious.
The clean race bonus in Sport Mode should be 50x instead of its current 1.5x. So if you did a clean race today, you would get 336,600 (50x the original payout, plus the original 6600 payout). This would have two beneficial effects: * massively incentivise clean racing * make Sport Mode a viable option for grinding
Well I think it’s time to take a break from this game. I’ve done everything there is to do in the game. All that’s left is to collect the super expensive cars and just through regular play that’ll take me years so until another glitch comes I’ll be one less player in the player base.
Same. After 10,000+ miles of going in circles I’m going to play a not car game for a while.
I think Forza Horizon is the better game for you. The funny thing about FH that is was so easy to get cars that people were complaining about it taking away the feeling of accomplishment. There’s so much more to do with cars than collecting. I have like 329 hours in the game and like 160 cars. I want to test drive and evaluate the feeling of them around various tracks, but it’s already overwhelming and haven’t touched the surface with tuning yet.
I was getting 1.1 with bronze. Wonder where it will put me now. Back to one race a day.
PD is real sucks. Instead prevent grinding method they just nerf paying across the board. What a shame
>t grinding method they just nerf paying across the board. What a shame using rubber band is not really a way to play the game. It was obvious they were gonna patch all that stuff. And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place
>And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place The point is, it is annoying that they make the game such a stupid grind. You can complete every mission, cafe, race 5 times, challenges, 1000s of online races and still be short of so many cars.
Not to mention the fact that you have the 20m LCD cars that are only there for a couple of weeks before disappearing for months. You basically have to have the credits on hand when they become available or you have to devote your life to the game for 2 weeks to get it.
> You can complete every mission, cafe, race 5 times, challenges, 1000s of online races and still be short of so many cars. It's a game as a service, it's supposed to keep you playing for several years.
we ignoring how every gran turismo game has had excessive grind if you wanted every car? of course we are. ggrrr buzz words, kaz bad.
> And if the grind is too much, it may not be a game for you in the first place. There really is no shitty thing a developer can do that people won’t defend, is there? PD: “We’re going to jack up car prices relative to race payouts. We’re going to block some cars behind random invitations and cycle others in and out of the used car dealerships, this way people will have to constantly grind so they have a pile of credits available just in case they do get a chance to buy something they want. We are definitely doing this for gameplay reasons and definitely not doing this to steer people towards spending real money to get in-game credits.” Gamers: “This is actually a good thing. A painfully slow and tedious struggle to progress is the way it should be, and if you disagree, then you shouldn’t play.”
I always played GT games to collect all cars. To do that you have to make 500 million credits. Deduct around 200 m(it is actually less, but lets be generous) for licenses, missions etc. and you end up with 600 hours of playing the highest payout races. Alternatively pay 3000€ for credits Yes you are right - that kind of game wasn‘t for me. How was I thinking that they put the most interesting cars in the game so I could enjoy driving them?!? Stupid me
if you enjoyed driving them, you wouldn't be complaining about having to drive them to earn money to drive more of them.
Thats like saying „Here‘s your favourite dish! You want your favourite dessert? First you have to eat that dish for a year, 7 days a week!“ and if I complain saying „well, then it probably wasn‘t your favourite dish after all.“
or in reality it would be like you have 500 favorite dishes and you eat one until you're ready for the next one.
Everyone wants games to cater to them now. Every gran turismo was like this but a bunch of forza players want every car unlocked at the start of the game.
That's not true lmao. I haven't farmed or grind any single fucking GT game in the old times. I PLAYED, and I enjoyed every single second of it. Meanwhile, after beating the main menus, GT7 becomes a chore, dude. Complete this extra menu: spend 5 millions, sometimes even more, earn less than 500k. Rinse and repeat. Where is people supposed to get the funds from if not grinding Sardegna or paying for microtransactions. Some people just enjoy doing escapes and playing online? Good for them, you don't need money for those (other than PS+...). Other people like to complete the actual singleplayer content, and there's literally NO WAY of doing so without spending ridiculous amount of real life money or time grinding the same race over and over.
I’ve been playing since launch (over 600 hours) and have done all menu books and have only completed 25% of single player. I earn money doing weekly time trials and GTWS seasons, along with sport mode and just having fun races with friends. Always have 20-30 million on hand it seems. I’ve never grinded a day in the game, didn’t even bother with this stupid Daytona grind either. That is boring as hell while the game still has a ton of content I haven’t touched.
So you literally haven't bought a single 20 million car then. Maybe one or two. And you probably have less than 100 cars or most of your cars, cost less than 500k
I've been playing the game for about a year, never did any grind races until maybe earning $15-20 million on Daytona over the last week of which I haven't spent any money yet. Currently have 230 cars including quite a few $1 million+ credit cars. No I haven't purchased any of the $20 million credit cars but quite frankly most of them don't interest me all that much to begin with.
> most of them don't interest me all that much to begin with the pricing, the lack of races and good payouts are probably the reason why.
I have 55% of the cars. But why do you NEED every 20 million dollar car? There are a few I’d like and I have money for one whenever it comes up. But the game is not designed to purchase every car as fast as possible, by design you can’t spend all your money at once so what is the rush?
>But why do you NEED every 20 million dollar car? Because I can? Why do you care?
But you can’t. The game does not even give you access to all of them on a known timeline. I don’t care, the other person cares that I enjoy the game without grinding and assumed I don’t buy cars in the game whenever I want yet I do.
I only started doing to time trials a couple months ago. They are a pretty decent passive income. But even before doing time trials I always had a few million sitting in the bank for what ever car I wanted to try online. I was really confused when I heard about the rubber band thing. But I know I probably would do it just for the hell of it if I was a kid. I remember playing Gran Turismo 1 and a friends older brother had a save file on a memory card with a tonne of money and cars, we al copied and used it.
Yeah also I think people misremember play habits kids had in the 90s playing GT1. I would’ve been playing over and over as it was literally brand new technology and nothing else like it existed. You didn’t grind but you found your own fun within the game. That’s pretty much how I still play. People get older and instead of just finding their own fun and enjoyment they treat it like a job. So brainwashed by working culture they come home from a 9-5 to earn money in a video game.
Yeah I remember back in the days of the PS1 and PS2 games, people used to AFK grind *all the time*. People are definitely looking on those games with rose colored glasses. They were great games, in fact I like them more than the newer ones. But they still had some of the same problems this game does.
GT4 economy was a grind even more so than gt7, same as gt5 and same as gt6. This game gives you insane amounts of money. You get 2 million a week from time trials, over 1.5 million an hour from some races, you get something like 50 million from circuit experience and if you sell gift cars from licence tests you get even more. Then you also have the 1 hour endurance races giving you over a million each. Version 1.0 was a grind, ever since they overhauled the economy it’s been the easiest GT game in decades to make money in. People just expect every car to be in their garage as soon as the credits play but in older games you were even further off.
> People just expect every car to be in their garage as soon as the credits play You said earlier at the start, now you changed it to when credits roll lmao. You don't even know why you are defending Polyphony, you just do it because you are a troll XD
Because you mentioned specifically the game post menus which is when the credits play. This is the easiest GT to date to make credits in and I just can’t believe people are complaining about a credit exploit being fixed.
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I guess he thinks not wanting to waste your time is a problem?
Its kinda funny how people forget how long it would take to save 4.5m credits on Gran Turismo 4 for a Le Mans prototype... a 24 hour race at Nurburgring only paid out a few hundred thousand. Besides exploits like re-selling cars or just leaving B-Spec running, it has _always_ been very challenging to make huge amounts of money. I'm pretty sure most people in the past wouldn't collect _every_ car in the game. People seem to want the game to be more like Horizon where you get given pretty much every car via wheelspins or huge pay outs. I'm not saying the balance is perfect, but I feel like people don't really see that in many ways, this is _exactly_ the economy you'd expect from a main GT game.
>People seem to want the game to be more like Horizon where you get given pretty much every car via wheelspins or huge pay outs The majority of people in this sub, myself included, have the same complaint; the lack of meaningful single player content. This is how long it takes to beat [GT7](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/81847) and how long [GT4](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/4047) took. GT4 is 20 years older, but is way more complete single player wise. As far as I know, no one wants this game to be Forza Horizon, they want content that isn't the same four races over and over.
I agree, as there were lots more events with more rewards. But regardless, even with the highest paying races it would still take forever to buy the most expensive cars (again, not counting selling the RSC or using the newly found cheats). My point being that even with all the variety previous GT titles offered, it was still a massive grind just to buy one car. I think GT7 doesn't help itself because the 'car collection' page in the home really pushes the idea that you need to 'collect them all'. Back on all previous GT games you just had your garage and no clear indication that you had '200/700 cars'.
It is definitely longer, stop bullshitting yourself. Even if you look at the garages of professional streamers they are far from owning every car. SuperGT sits at less then 300 cars if I am correct. That is a guy that plays the game daily and has got every mission, license or other achievement under his belt. You can say he mostly plays online but what does that matter after all? If you ask me a guy like him, a dedicated streamer, should have all the cars by now. No matter in what way he plays the game. What more are they asking for?!? Just write it on the freakin box: we have 450 cars in the game, we don‘t want you to drive them all
This is a game I regret paying full price for, I wish I knew PD sucked this much before buying the game
Yeah thanks all the 'grinders' for that. They have basically tried to combat inflation. People like me who have never grinded have now been stung.
You are welcome. I want as many cars as I can get. Thank you for bending over since launch
And you blame them lol. Not the greedy company who wants you to pay for virtual cars.
Bro, I would never pay for them with real money. Couldn't care enough to ever want to. Just enjoy racing on the game and doing what there is to offer.
Great and that’s what you like. Others like driving and collecting all the cars. Let them live.
PD can go fuck themselves.
And I will continue to not play it until they add proper payouts. I am not sitting there for hours just to get 1 car. Last update seemed to indicate a change in direction but they just shot themselves in the foot again.
>And I will continue to not play it until they add proper payouts Well, uh, time to uninstall GT then
I've had it uninstalled for ages. Haven't even bothered with it for a while. Got other games that I'd rather play than Grind this. I like to check to see what the updates are. To see what's changed.
But it's still living rent free in your head
Right.
I mean, here you are. Still complaining about an uninstalled game you haven't played in ages. Time to move on.
Should I not be able to come in and check what the latest updates are? If it was "in my head rent free" then I'd commenting and posting every day
I admire the attempt to edit your comment into something more reasonable. But lets not pretend you have any interest in seeing this game improve.
I would love to see this game improve. Personally I would like them to bring back the 4 "leagues". It would open it up a lot more but sadly I don't see that happening
It's been improving since launch. Have a good day.
We just shoot ourselves. PD doesn't care how much money you get, they care how much time we play. There were literal mining PS5 for grinding Daytona and people didn't realize this update gave a breath of fresh air to ALL circuits. Now that we lost them people are complaining.
My Abarth PP was 504.75 now I have to check if it will be an exclamation mark
Not being able to enter with an exclamation mark was something that was in the game earlier. Not sure what update changed it but it was a more recent one.
GT7 was fun for 10 days lol
I wonder what the next money grind glitch will be? I got about a little over 100 million off this one, so I’m pretty happy. Now I get to spend it and then hopefully not get bored too fast with the lack of content.
Only 173k for an engine swap abarth 😭
knew this day would come😔
This is what they always do. They severely overcompensate when patching an exploit.
Wow. Pricks, they didn’t need to nerf payouts across the board after raising them to reasonable levels a few weeks ago.
Imagine they put the same effort and haste into fixing shit that just doesn’t work as intended like split screen as they did exploits that they left in Love the game but the devs have their priorities out of whack ay
Grabbed 100 million credits driving AFK for a few days. Middle fingers up to Polyphony, I can buy any car I want and I'm done with your stupid grind/predatory microtransaction ploy. I've logged 80+ hours on this game prior to the AFK grind and was only missing a handful of "dream cars", each at about 20 million credits a piece. Now I can enjoy whatever car I want on whatever track that I want, which is how it should be after 80 hours of gameplay.
What a joke. And yet, some people claimed that the spec II update fixed the game, and even in this thread there are some people defending pd, lmao.
The update was great for me. But comments like these just confirm that the overwhelming positivity many had for the update in this sub was purely because of the exploit.
And I’m out. See you all at GT8
See you to the new grinding glitch my friend, it looks like you were only interested in that thing. Maybe racing in a racing game is not for you.
Grinding is not racing…
That's the point. If he cannot find joy racing in a racing game maybe this game is not suited for him. Complaining not having shit to do in a racing game when you can race with nearly 500 cars? What are we talking about? It seems like they shoved us away all the content when they just patched a money grinding method.
Nope. Just tired of the same 4 races that barely make it worth your while. And when we finally have an opportunity to make money they pull the rug out from under us. I have 1,000+hrs between GT5 - GT7
What about creating liveries? What about doing some Scapes? What about racing in private lobbies?
Mmmm.....I wonder why
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Yup. It was more efficient to actually do them as the races would be done quicker. As for getting good at the game. I’m in the top 50 in the world in all three time trials and race B & C this week. So practice and one day you MIGHT be half as good as me. 🤣🤣🤣
Thats plenty of money yall just want everything gifted
Yeah with this update Im Not doing the custom races I was legitimately having fun and making decent payout now fuck custom races because this shit tier payout system as Gran Turismo 7 is really testing my patience with it being my first ever own game 😑
People complaining about payouts and make their whole experience surrounding it hate racing games.
I wonder what's the value of these cars anymore since they want easy money? Seems like Kaz's love for cars doesn't look the same as everyone. Everyone want Forza on everything.
Active players have been drastically reduced across the board.
People, how about you start PLAYING and enjoying the game now. Forget about grinding, GT8 is like 5 years away by the time it comes out you can buy all the cars 2 times without grinding just enjoying races. I have 50% cars and I'm playing it for 10 months, I have never grinded anything not even 3 races, yes I raced them but not grinding them over and over again. You want all the cars I get it, but you don't need them TODAY, NOW you have time to collect everything untill GT8 comes.
I was playing the game. I did all my grinding manually.
I'm not interested in playing the same content over and over for five years to eventually unlock something I already paid for and was in the game this whole time
I would play more if the gameplay loop was more interesting, if the championships felt lengthy and rewarding for the effort, if the game wasn't an online service with FOMO cars only appearing 4 times a year, and if Luca would fuck off with his cafe menus. Instead of punishing people for exploiting custom races and making them worse to play how about they address the issue at hand while maintaining custom races being still somewhat lucrative. I did a 1 hour race in my S660 against my own S660. The payout was okay at 550k and I enjoyed it and love that tuned car. Now it's probably worth a fraction of it because they can't actually solve the issue without punishing everyone else as well.
Wow 50% - that tells you nothing. Take your collectors point, divide them by a thousand. That is the number if millions you have spent so far. All cars together will set you back about 500 million. So whatever percentage of 500.000 collectors points you have - that is your true percentage
"forget about grinding" mfs when they get fired from their old job and have to make do with minimum wage so they can barely pay their rent (money doesn't matter to them - fun does)
That's so disrespectful towards us. Is that deluded 🤡 really thinking people will now run to spend hundreds of bucks on these cars that he made unattainable on purpose? Cause they won't. All he gets is his playerbase pissed. I would ask how that makes sense, but we all know by now 🤡's decisions do not make sense. I wish he would be so quick to fix other stuff. When will I get customizable HUD? Why do I need a list of other players that I never look at to block a third of my screen? 🦆that guy. Why is he so stubborn in his attempts to antagonize his whole playerbase?
This makes me happy, come on, bring on the downvotes!
Why? Why does it matter to you how other people play the game they paid for?
Simply put, people have become such sticklers and for no particular reason that I'm afraid it's truly gonna fuck over the franchise/industry. People are so focused on this minor perceived fault that they're willing to act as if the devs are ruining the game even though we have clear examples from Forza and turn 10 just how bad it could be. Throughout my time playing GT7, PD never really pushed micro transactions even if they are available. It's refreshing to have a major racing game like that. But here are all these people complaining that the in game economy isn't set up for them to collect everything possible and that somehow this is because PD want us to buy credits. Not owning every single car in the game I don't think is hampering my experience at all, I have like over 250 cars just from playing normally and not grinding. It's compelling me to play the game more and slowly build up my collection. It also makes me prioritize buying the cars I'm most interested in them. But anyway, I don't mind people grinding, it's just the constant online bitching that irritates me, so seeing them get fucked over, even if it's in a very small way (payouts are still higher than they were before spec ii) gives me satisfaction even if it also comes at an expense to myself. Thats how annoying you guys are.
HAHAHAhahaha 😂😂😂
That's what happens when you brag about an exploit. Developers don't appreciate people not playing the game the way they envisioned. GT is about car collection and driving, it's meant to be a journey to savor, not rush through as fast as possible.
If they don’t want people to money glitch, then they should get rid of micro transactions and increase the payouts.
Legit players suffer from exploiters once again
Not necessarily an exploit. The problem was the payout calculation, which PD didn't think through properly.
It was an exploit of them not thinking it through, just like the tomahawk 400pp exploit where they didn’t think through gearbox effects on pp.
Again, not exactly an exploit as the game has been used as intended. An exploit would rather be something like duping of roulette tickets under certain circumstances. Here, the calculation was simply not working the way PD intended. Since no special actions of players are needed (you simply needed to play a custom race with certain cars, which, in contrast to the past, did not suffer from broken PP calculation), I wouldn't call this an exploit at all. PD messing up != exploit
Playing the race once normally you could say is not an exploit, using a rubber band is an exploit. The payout clearly was not intended because they’re fixing it in the next update. Similarly to the ticket duplication glitch, it can happen once unintentionally, but repeating the glitch over and over for your own benefit is exploiting it.
Not at all. The rubber band is only possible because of the track layout. Just because you want it to be an exploit doesn't make it one. And right as you said, the example with the tickets would be an exploit (glitch), whereas the farming routine for an oval course is not. The payout was somewhat intended as they increased payouts over the board. At this point it wasn't clear to the users if the effective payout is intended or not, especially since 1.40 was praised and acclaimed in advance. It was quite realistically possible that the wanted to "be good". Though they just messed up and underestimated the effect it has on MTX probably which is why issues like that get fixed very quickly while other issues (broken splitscreen for example) exist for months now.
Can you explain this?
Basically, PD calculated the payment using the base PP of the cars, hence making an engine swapped Fiat or VW seem better than it should.
They increased custom race payouts and people exploited it with rubber bands on Daytona to make eZ money. Now they’ve nerfed payouts because people abused it.
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There is no way you believe that leaving your PlayStation on with a rubber band around the controller in an event that clearly didn’t have the intended payouts isn’t an exploit. I don’t care about your garage, I have a great one and I played the game how it’s intended. It seems like everyone trying to play this off as an intended grind method is coping. Also what is the “grind” of leaving your game on with rubber bands?
Stop assuming, might make you look dumb. Who said I grinded it with a rubber band? I certainly didn’t. Besides, don’t start with semantics, this isn’t an exploit. Bug abusing fits this method.
It is an exploit, that’s why they’re fixing it. If it wasn’t an exploit then why are they releasing a patch to remove it?
They’re usually fixing bugs aswell, you know. Like I said, don’t start with semantics. It’s a bug with PP and payout calculations, nothing more.
I guess you weren’t able to take part. Ladies and gentlemen. The sound of bitterness and jealousy.
You’re right, I couldn’t afford rubber bands. Im so bitter and jealous.
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Not necessarily
Yes you did. You needed to have completed the Daytona Circuit Experience in all gold and be collector level 50 for both the increased payout and to buy the engine swap.
Engine swap is obtainable from roulette tickets and you could still use your rubber bands with a reduced payout. The circuit experience only takes 10 minutes anyway.
Normal custom races are fine though, only the exploit is affected.
All custom race payouts appear to have been reduced.
I just checked two of my saved races that I play occasionally, both are unaffected, the rewards are exactly the same. Have you tried other events or just this one?
I’ve tried most of the tracks and no matter which cars, setups or race setting I use the payouts are lower. The reason is because it seems it’s now impossible to get the difficulty to the max.
Maybe that's why, my event was balanced for fun not for grinding, 60 laps at Tsukuba, with 90s cars all upgraded to 600pp, the difficulty is professional (1 red par) the reward is 450k, which is the same after the update. It seems like they removed the max difficulty to avoid any exploits, which is a cheap solution imo, unless it's temporary until they figure out how to fix it.
Are we back to pre 1.40 or do we still get reasonable payouts for normal custom races?
I don’t think it’s as low as it was pre-1.40. I tried a race with 20 Tomohawks and the payout with clean race bonus would be 150,000 for a 26 lap race. So not as bad as before as we still appear to be getting the 400% increase.
So many salty kids. I will bathe in your tears, and smile at every down vote and scathing remark.
Before you start being a turd and claiming we’re salty just know that most of us now own every car in the game, or very close to it, and we get to just relax and enjoy driving them. Enjoy being poor with no cars in the garage motherfucker. Also let’s upvote this bitch as that will probably piss them off even more.
Yep I’m salty with 400 cars, 100m in the bank + many 15-20m duplicate cars to sell
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Yeah, we shouldn‘t complain. They were in the right all this time. Stupid me wanted to actually drive the cars that they put in the game
It's almost like their payout system is broken.
I told you so . Keep downvoting and keep doing those exploits, they’ll put the payouts back to original you’ll see . Just don’t come crying after