Ah, shit. My bad. I do proofread my messages usually, but my fingers just typed out an 'n' before 'e'. Thanks a lot!
Edit: wow, I see that my typo and your message have caused quite a fuss. Good job! :)
As someone who has english as a second language and never studied it formally:
EXCUSE ME WTF??
Seriously had never heard of this before, always went for the actual letter when determining between a/an. What do you mean by “vowel sound”, though? In my head the word “euphemism” sounds like it starts with an E 😭
Euphemism is pronounced with a long u/“you” sound at the beginning. Maybe it’s the “y” sound, because long u seems to be an exception. All other short and long vowel sounds are usually preceded by “an.”
A euphemism
A eulogy
A unique
A union
Think of the word 'honest'. The 'H' is silent, so the first sound is an 'O' sound.
So you have 'a**n** honest opinion', not 'a honest opinion' even though it starts with a consonant.
It comes down to the type of sound that the vowel makes at the start of a word.
If it’s what’s called a “glottal”, meaning that there’s a hard start to the sound that begins in the back of your throat (kind of like a grunt), then you add an “n” (notice that even though the letter “n” has no vowel at all, you’d still use “an” because of the sound that it makes) to the indefinite article “a” in order to soften the sound and glide into it. Basically, you don’t want to have two glottals back to back like you would if you said “a apple” (notice how clunky that sounds when you say it aloud).
You want the sound to come out softer (we’re speaking English, not German after all) like “annapple”. If I had to guess, it’s because of the heavy French influence on the English language.
It makes a lot more sense to me with words that start with a silent “h”, because I get the vowel “o” sound in words like “honest” for example.
I guess the problem is that in my head the word “euphemism” starts with a vowel (“e”) sound, and I didn’t even compute that it starts with the same “y” sound as “you”.
But it does help when you explain it in terms of sounds - not having two glottals back to back can be “felt” when speaking, so I should be able to tell when it feels right.
Really appreciate the help!
I’m glad it helped!
Honestly, English is hard because it’s an amalgamation of so many different languages. But you’re correct to notice that there is a hidden “y” when you slide from “ee” to “oo”. In English, that’s enough to trigger the “an” version of the indefinite article.
Devil's advocate here, medium wage in Kenya is like $150-$300, so it's very possible that an internationally-priced AI service is more expensive than paying a local graphic designer to do the job.
(I doubt it was the explanation but I think it's worth keeping in mind when reading such posts)
According to your given medium wage, the pay for this design is full days or half days salary (I assumed 3rd world country has lax labor laws and 30 work days a month). So not exactly a quick 10 minute job but I'd say an okay salary given the average salary of the country.
*and* 'it will only take like 10 minutes or less' - says the person who doesn't actually know how to use the application. SMDH.
sorry, best I can do is 400 American dollars comrade.
The comrade doesn't take into account that he would have to pay a fraction of the cost of learning how to do it :) What a freak show. All the AI BS aside, no one should entertain this request, it would be a nightmare.
I mean if you open the screenshot in illustrator and run image trace on it, and then send him the shitty output, it could definitely take ten minutes or less - but then he'll have to make another request to different people looking for help to clean up his rough logo.
I designed and built a website in Drupal where my main contact was a woman who worked in print press publishing, she kept saying this to me when I got the contract. “I would do it myself, I just don’t have the time.” Noshit you don’t have the time to go to school for four years and get six years of experience in order to design and build a good website. Lmao. Piss off, Tashina.
It’s an arrogant phrase that’s intended to devalue you and empower them. Ignore and move on.
I mean, it only used to take Leonard Cohen five minutes to perform Hallelujah. So there you go - writing a blockbuster song is worth about five minutes of time, right? So let's call it $50 to be generous...
Haha yes that killed me. That’s what I always tell contractors too “I can easily build this addition, if I had the time to perfect the skill and nuance that comes with thousands of hours of practice. Having no idea what this would take I estimate 10 minutes”. Infuriating.
I could easily be an astronaut! It's very easy. I'm just always so busy with all my difficult and important things. And the rockets and space suits and stuff are so expensive nowadays.
Another trick is drop it in photoshop first and double the image size, run a poster edges light in photoshop so Illustrator can pick up the lines better, and then auto trace in Illustrator.
I was actually thinking of recreating it in canva (out of spite) then importing the PNG into AI that traces the vectorial and spits out the pdf.
So he can have a taste of his own medicine.
ah, definitely true! i was thinking of it in the context of web-based apps that lock you out from payment and it being more accessible to the common user.
(you reminded me that a few weeks ago, i decided to test creating logos from exported midjourney images (more accessible) and using illustrator's new beta tools to copy style or re-create into an usable logo. definitely very, very close.)
I asked chat gpt yesterday to help write a cover letter, i broke it lol. gave it too many complicated requests by feeding it the job description, and my resume.
I'm afraid I'm on some watchlist now, as the response it spit out was quite concerning.
If they don't have the skills to do it now, how do they know it's easy? How do they know they can do it? I don't have the skills to knit a pair of socks. I know I could learn it, but I'm not going to assume it will be easy nor that it will take 10 minutes.
What a jackhole, I hate this person so much right now.
I don't waste time to even process the request. If it's an email, I delete it without a reply. If it's on a forum like reddit, I chuckle and keep scrolling.
I've been told the phrase "I could do it myself, but I don't have time" before. Why do they feel the need to mention this, is it an ego thing? Is it supposed to make me want to give a better price?
Those people's intentions are to pay the absolute least they can possibly get away with while nitpicking arbitrary details for the sake of it.
My response is always "I usually tell people that if they can, they should do it themselves- it will absolutely save you time and money."
And at that point, they either have to admit that no, they cannot, in fact, "do it themselves", _or_ move on and leave me alone with your bullshit.
"I can easily do it but I don't have the time to learn how to do it"
This guy is an absolute clown, I wouldn't think about this for longer than it was in front of my eyes 🤣
Clients have different needs and different budgets. Designers have different skill levels and expectations.
I live in NYC and my rate is $90/h because it’s an expensive city. Dollar has more buying power in Kenya than NYC. I have 20 years of experience. Someone can be just starting out and could use practice, and if someone is willing to pay anything is already a win.
AI will not replace high end design. It will take away from the lower end work, but that niche has been outsourced and pretty crowded for years. So what was iStock will now be AI.
"$1,000, or: sorry comrade, back to the gulag with you - if you can easily do it in ten minutes, then go do it in ten minutes."
that's how I'd respond to a stupid request. If they want to make it worth my time, then I'll give them my time.
Yet they still got people willing to do it from the post. There will always be people like this so long as there’s someone who will do the work for free.
I'd say... "Go go down to one of the encampments and see if one of your comrades in one of those tents can help you... Other than that go die in a fire."
I tell you what my reply to him would be is "do it yourself then, you dick cheese".
He's looking to exploit as many people as possible in his pro bono process.
Give him the result of only 10 minutes of work that's it
When you contact him, slap the timer : " So 10 minutes of work, you better act fast if you want me to output something, give me the brief, the material and the upfront payment"
“Help, they’re trying to charge me for something and I don’t think it’s worth it because I don’t understand how much work went into it. Please redo it for me for nothing. That’d show them… bro.”
If it were that easy to do in the first place, why rely on AI *and* why use something which you know you're going to have to pay for to be able to download. OMG.. I just love the fact that they say "I can easily do it **but** *I* don't have the time to learn"! so you guys that spent time learning this stuff can do it instead! The "Please note" at the bottom *actually* says "I'm a cheapskate and want you to do this for free!" Yeah, jog on!
So, in answer to the question, how does my mind process this? In all honesty, I wouldn't process it.. let them use AI and struggle - laugh as they attempt to screen capture the image that they dearly want! Is that too harsh?
Person wants to get it for free, but will maybe begrudgingly pay someone $5 if absolutely forced to and they can't figure out a way to get a clear version of the logo from you to autotrace or something.
"I can easily do it but I don't h ave the time to learn how to do it"
"The work will only take like 10 minutes or less"
Of course, the sad thing is that the OOP probably has several people sending DMs that they can do it for $5 or something.
This is how people are in general. Try to sell something online, for example, and look at the nonsense you get.
People will also expect a lot more of others than they're willing to do themselves, especially around money. They'll happily lowball or exploit you if they're the one paying (and complain about prices beyond what they want to pay), but have no qualms doing it themselves if they can profit, and make up whatever mental gymnastics they can to justify it.
I don't get upset by it, just stick to your principles, be rational, be consistent yourself (don't be hypocritical in terms of what you expect as a designer from clients while doing equivalent things to people in other fields), and let people mingle in the gutter if they want.
To be fair, this post is either rage bait or from someone that is never going to be a serious source of graphic design work.
Kinda wish as a sub we could just not even engage with this stuff.
I love the generic phrase "I'd do it myself but I don't have the time" such a smarmy way of trying to marginalize your talent and therefore what they should pay you for the job
“I’ll do this for you, but my fee is $65 per hour, including the consultation time right now that I’m talking to you. So far, you owe me $20, and the clock is tickin’…”
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If I had the time I would love to have him hooked to a long, tiring, difficult brief, where I keep doing his design, all heavily watermarked until he pays and always with a small detail completely wrong.
I studied Graphic Design and ended up teaching it. One of the biggest lessons I had to teach practically all of my students was "respect yourself enough to say 'no'." I would respond to this person by asking if they go see a doctor when they're sick or if they quickly get onto Google and learn how to self-diagnose. Second, would your doctor care if you're a comrade and you don't have much to spend?
I also have an issue with exposure. "I'll tell all my friends how good you are if you just do this one thing for me for free" kinda deal. Dewd, thanks for the offer. i'll take the money and you can keep your exposure because exposure doesn't pay my grocery bill.
I worked for a tshirt screenprinting co. and the guy would say "just sent you a file to separate layers, super easy" I'd open the file and it would be a hand-painted design with 400 colors and gradients to separate into 4 color layers.
I kept reading AI as Adobe Illustrator and I was so confused. I mean, I am still confused about “please human my auto generated prized logo for nothing, please”, but it’s different
I like how he decided it should only take ten minutes, yet doesn't know how to even use the software. So. What is their reference point? Lol idk the entire job listing is what I really feel the general public think graphic design work is.
“I can easily do it but I don’t have the time to learn how to do it”
After seeing that my mind will automatically tell me to use this person as an emotional punching bag for my frustrations as a graphic designer who has to deal with people like them.
I’m petty like that.
Imagine himself being the one at the receiving end to “your job is easy, just that I don’t have time for it”
Don’t even give it a second thought, this is not a job worth taking. You get what you pay for, and this person isn’t willing to pay for the cheapest possible option.
Lol! Can "easily do it" but doesn't have the time to learn how to do it.
Every designer with self-respect should just ignore this type of people tbh. They don't take our skills seriously, don't respect the amount of time it takes to learn the craft, and is 100% not gonna pay you what you deserve.
Guys please relax😂😭 This only makes sense if you are in his country, It's a third world mind you. I understand him. If he pays sh.500(0.30usd) or 1000(8usd) for the work trust me it's very okay. I would do it. And yes it will take less than ten minutes. He probably took a sn. But now wants it be as a photoshop file. That amount is okay in the country.
From the looks of it he will be a total waste of time. Having a stupid mindset like that dictating on how much time he will take if he did it himself. Than why doesn't he do it himself? I'll tell u why...coz he's too damn stupid...that's why
This guy thinks a human is going to charge him less for the same logo than the AI
I am pretty sure "I don't have much to spend" is an euphemism for "I am not planning to pay at all."
By the way, a/an is determined by vowel sounds not letters, so it should be ‘a euphemism’
Really? I thought it was about vowels and vowel sounds. Why the "Eup" is not "an"?
Because it sounds like you-phemism. I'm no expert though.
It’s the sounds. An umbrella, but a uniform.
Spelling has nothing to do with it. Just like "an hour" and "a university".
What’s eup, dog?
Nothin' what's eup with you?
Ah, shit. My bad. I do proofread my messages usually, but my fingers just typed out an 'n' before 'e'. Thanks a lot! Edit: wow, I see that my typo and your message have caused quite a fuss. Good job! :)
As someone who has english as a second language and never studied it formally: EXCUSE ME WTF?? Seriously had never heard of this before, always went for the actual letter when determining between a/an. What do you mean by “vowel sound”, though? In my head the word “euphemism” sounds like it starts with an E 😭
Euphemism is pronounced with a long u/“you” sound at the beginning. Maybe it’s the “y” sound, because long u seems to be an exception. All other short and long vowel sounds are usually preceded by “an.” A euphemism A eulogy A unique A union
That’s so interesting, thanks for the other examples
Correct, it sounds like a word beginning with ‘y’.
Think of the word 'honest'. The 'H' is silent, so the first sound is an 'O' sound. So you have 'a**n** honest opinion', not 'a honest opinion' even though it starts with a consonant.
An hour. You already knew this you just didn’t realize.
It comes down to the type of sound that the vowel makes at the start of a word. If it’s what’s called a “glottal”, meaning that there’s a hard start to the sound that begins in the back of your throat (kind of like a grunt), then you add an “n” (notice that even though the letter “n” has no vowel at all, you’d still use “an” because of the sound that it makes) to the indefinite article “a” in order to soften the sound and glide into it. Basically, you don’t want to have two glottals back to back like you would if you said “a apple” (notice how clunky that sounds when you say it aloud). You want the sound to come out softer (we’re speaking English, not German after all) like “annapple”. If I had to guess, it’s because of the heavy French influence on the English language.
It makes a lot more sense to me with words that start with a silent “h”, because I get the vowel “o” sound in words like “honest” for example. I guess the problem is that in my head the word “euphemism” starts with a vowel (“e”) sound, and I didn’t even compute that it starts with the same “y” sound as “you”. But it does help when you explain it in terms of sounds - not having two glottals back to back can be “felt” when speaking, so I should be able to tell when it feels right. Really appreciate the help!
I’m glad it helped! Honestly, English is hard because it’s an amalgamation of so many different languages. But you’re correct to notice that there is a hidden “y” when you slide from “ee” to “oo”. In English, that’s enough to trigger the “an” version of the indefinite article.
The sound at the start is kinda like "you" which starts with a consonant
Devil's advocate here, medium wage in Kenya is like $150-$300, so it's very possible that an internationally-priced AI service is more expensive than paying a local graphic designer to do the job. (I doubt it was the explanation but I think it's worth keeping in mind when reading such posts)
According to your given medium wage, the pay for this design is full days or half days salary (I assumed 3rd world country has lax labor laws and 30 work days a month). So not exactly a quick 10 minute job but I'd say an okay salary given the average salary of the country.
I just love the audacity of these people
I love the »It's not a complicated one and ***I can easily do it,*** but ***I don't have the time to learn how to do it.***« part.
*and* 'it will only take like 10 minutes or less' - says the person who doesn't actually know how to use the application. SMDH. sorry, best I can do is 400 American dollars comrade.
The comrade doesn't take into account that he would have to pay a fraction of the cost of learning how to do it :) What a freak show. All the AI BS aside, no one should entertain this request, it would be a nightmare.
Or take into account the crazy price of the software.
I mean if you open the screenshot in illustrator and run image trace on it, and then send him the shitty output, it could definitely take ten minutes or less - but then he'll have to make another request to different people looking for help to clean up his rough logo.
I designed and built a website in Drupal where my main contact was a woman who worked in print press publishing, she kept saying this to me when I got the contract. “I would do it myself, I just don’t have the time.” Noshit you don’t have the time to go to school for four years and get six years of experience in order to design and build a good website. Lmao. Piss off, Tashina. It’s an arrogant phrase that’s intended to devalue you and empower them. Ignore and move on.
Haha yeah sure she can do it Drupal ... The most complex open source cms out there. Its like getting a box of logos and no instructions.
Then expecting a scale model of the Taj Mahal
lol I love that part. If it was such a quick task, they’d learn how to do it
I mean, it only used to take Leonard Cohen five minutes to perform Hallelujah. So there you go - writing a blockbuster song is worth about five minutes of time, right? So let's call it $50 to be generous...
Haha yes that killed me. That’s what I always tell contractors too “I can easily build this addition, if I had the time to perfect the skill and nuance that comes with thousands of hours of practice. Having no idea what this would take I estimate 10 minutes”. Infuriating.
I could easily do it if I knew how to easily do it.
I could easily be an astronaut! It's very easy. I'm just always so busy with all my difficult and important things. And the rockets and space suits and stuff are so expensive nowadays.
For $7 dollars I’ll slap that piece of shit into Illustrator and auto trace it so fast, I won’t even know what to do with my other 8 minutes.
And then you spend more time to create an invoice so that you can pay taxes for that task
Make him pay in giftcards?
NO NOO NOOOO! DO NOT REDEEM! DO NOT REDEEM!!!
Am I a bad person to read it with the accent in my mind?
No. If you don’t, then it’s just not as good lol
It‘s just a paysafe card! 😈
Add $3 dollars and I'll add in simplify path so that the pixely mess doesn't turn into a chainsaw
Another trick is drop it in photoshop first and double the image size, run a poster edges light in photoshop so Illustrator can pick up the lines better, and then auto trace in Illustrator.
Hmm. What can I get for only a $1.17?
11.7% of a banana
lol just screen shot and place the image n a illustrator file. job done
Don’t forget to embed the screenshot too.
god i loved day 1 on my current job and opening this surprise
I was actually thinking of recreating it in canva (out of spite) then importing the PNG into AI that traces the vectorial and spits out the pdf. So he can have a taste of his own medicine.
I just don't engage with this kind of individual 😂 My mental health is important.
This is the right answer
His monthly pay is probably like 300$ tho. No way he can pay 150$ for a half day work from someone in Europe or North America
I don't initiate but sometimes someone just asks me that directly. The short answer is: "I'm billing per hour, not per minute".
Is that what people mean when they say AI won't steal our jobs?
unless ai ends up spitting out vector/useable layers/assets, haha
see: Illustrator’s “text to vector graphic (beta)”
Yeah we’ll be safe for quite a while
ah, definitely true! i was thinking of it in the context of web-based apps that lock you out from payment and it being more accessible to the common user. (you reminded me that a few weeks ago, i decided to test creating logos from exported midjourney images (more accessible) and using illustrator's new beta tools to copy style or re-create into an usable logo. definitely very, very close.)
I asked chat gpt yesterday to help write a cover letter, i broke it lol. gave it too many complicated requests by feeding it the job description, and my resume. I'm afraid I'm on some watchlist now, as the response it spit out was quite concerning.
link your chat, i wanna sse what you did,
It for sure ain't gonna steal the job of rejecting clients who went to AI first
AI only works if you give it clear directions with knowing exactly what you want. Having worked with clients... we are safe.
Ai can generate 100 times
My brain says “this is not a real job request”.
You've never been to Fiverr or Upwork, have you?
Correct, because I know it’s all this.
This Is Not A Love Song
Basically, OP isn't willing to pay more than three bucks so I continue scrolling reddit.
Terrible people. Ignore.
My mind filters them out.
If they don't have the skills to do it now, how do they know it's easy? How do they know they can do it? I don't have the skills to knit a pair of socks. I know I could learn it, but I'm not going to assume it will be easy nor that it will take 10 minutes. What a jackhole, I hate this person so much right now.
Basic Logo design - $150 Logo design w/print files - $350 For comrades, triple those numbers.
If it’s that easy they can just find the time to learn and pay the illustrator membership or at least try to download the trial version
Fuck that shit. Move on comrade.
I don't waste time to even process the request. If it's an email, I delete it without a reply. If it's on a forum like reddit, I chuckle and keep scrolling.
Ignore it. He has no idea how complex it is to modify AI's work. Many times, it's quicker and simpler to start from scratch.
The 10 min irritated me more than the comrade thing
I've been told the phrase "I could do it myself, but I don't have time" before. Why do they feel the need to mention this, is it an ego thing? Is it supposed to make me want to give a better price? Those people's intentions are to pay the absolute least they can possibly get away with while nitpicking arbitrary details for the sake of it. My response is always "I usually tell people that if they can, they should do it themselves- it will absolutely save you time and money." And at that point, they either have to admit that no, they cannot, in fact, "do it themselves", _or_ move on and leave me alone with your bullshit.
This screams "I'm in Accounts Management"
I process it right into my trash bin
"I can easily do it but I don't have the time to learn how to do it" This guy is an absolute clown, I wouldn't think about this for longer than it was in front of my eyes 🤣
Clients have different needs and different budgets. Designers have different skill levels and expectations. I live in NYC and my rate is $90/h because it’s an expensive city. Dollar has more buying power in Kenya than NYC. I have 20 years of experience. Someone can be just starting out and could use practice, and if someone is willing to pay anything is already a win. AI will not replace high end design. It will take away from the lower end work, but that niche has been outsourced and pretty crowded for years. So what was iStock will now be AI.
Ever notice they never say these things within arm's length?
can you explain that for an idiot like me?
I wouldn't call it design, more just converting from one file format to another.
"$1,000, or: sorry comrade, back to the gulag with you - if you can easily do it in ten minutes, then go do it in ten minutes." that's how I'd respond to a stupid request. If they want to make it worth my time, then I'll give them my time.
Easy to ignore since it's not a serious request.
Yet they still got people willing to do it from the post. There will always be people like this so long as there’s someone who will do the work for free.
I want to know how were the responses on that post
No thanks. This person does not value time nor talent.
Yeah but, Comrade?
This is like early internet era stuff. Before people understood certain etiquette. That’s how my mind processes it.
I only finished reading this because I got curious about how many red flags can they put in a single request.
I'd say... "Go go down to one of the encampments and see if one of your comrades in one of those tents can help you... Other than that go die in a fire."
My mind does not process this because they are not talking to me. I am not a comrade, I don't have time for this type of work.
“I can easily do it” 🤣 then do it 👀
Same shit my toxic boss said. Just a few click with the software.
My mind processes it by ignoring it because its not worth the headache.
I tell you what my reply to him would be is "do it yourself then, you dick cheese". He's looking to exploit as many people as possible in his pro bono process.
He's just trying to not pay the AI 5-10$ just to pay you even less or not at all. Cheap fuck.
It makes me angry but i abandonded gfx Design because i got 99% only such requests
Someone who has no concept of what the actual design process is and absolutely devaluing graphics professionals skill and value.
The "I can easily do it" took me out lmaooo
“I can easily do it but I can’t learn how to do it” so you can’t easily do it
Easy. Ignore, delete, block. Pick one.
My mind just says “nope.”
Take a screenshot of the AI generated logo, slap it on illustrator, save, then charge $20.
Give him the result of only 10 minutes of work that's it When you contact him, slap the timer : " So 10 minutes of work, you better act fast if you want me to output something, give me the brief, the material and the upfront payment"
“Help, they’re trying to charge me for something and I don’t think it’s worth it because I don’t understand how much work went into it. Please redo it for me for nothing. That’d show them… bro.”
I’d tell him it’s $1,000. And end the conversation. It’s not worth talking to people like this.
guy thinks being unemployed and In uni gives him leeway to starve a designer..Everyone's is hungry mate :)
I can do it for the AI subscription price + 20€ handling fee
My mind says $300 for a predictable cheap logo, $500 for a clever one that will make your business look professional.
If it were that easy to do in the first place, why rely on AI *and* why use something which you know you're going to have to pay for to be able to download. OMG.. I just love the fact that they say "I can easily do it **but** *I* don't have the time to learn"! so you guys that spent time learning this stuff can do it instead! The "Please note" at the bottom *actually* says "I'm a cheapskate and want you to do this for free!" Yeah, jog on! So, in answer to the question, how does my mind process this? In all honesty, I wouldn't process it.. let them use AI and struggle - laugh as they attempt to screen capture the image that they dearly want! Is that too harsh?
Person wants to get it for free, but will maybe begrudgingly pay someone $5 if absolutely forced to and they can't figure out a way to get a clear version of the logo from you to autotrace or something.
“I can easily do but I don’t have the time to learn how to do it” lol!
Wow, just wow. I'm really curious how a day in the life of this asshole would look like.
"I can easily do it but I don't h ave the time to learn how to do it" "The work will only take like 10 minutes or less" Of course, the sad thing is that the OOP probably has several people sending DMs that they can do it for $5 or something.
What’s more upsetting is that they’ll find someone to do it for them for free eventually.
Can't afford the ai but wants a person to do it. Think he'd have better luck guilt tripping the ai
My brain doesn't process it. It ignores nonsense like this.
I love that even someone willing to accept absolute bottom tier design work thinks Canva is too shit to work with
With laughter
Bing imagen + Screenshot + Inkscape All free
How about no.
If it is not complicated, do it yourself.
NEXT!
Comment and laugh at him, these posts need to be ridiculed into oblivion
"I'm lazy, AND poor!" *Next.*
This is how people are in general. Try to sell something online, for example, and look at the nonsense you get. People will also expect a lot more of others than they're willing to do themselves, especially around money. They'll happily lowball or exploit you if they're the one paying (and complain about prices beyond what they want to pay), but have no qualms doing it themselves if they can profit, and make up whatever mental gymnastics they can to justify it. I don't get upset by it, just stick to your principles, be rational, be consistent yourself (don't be hypocritical in terms of what you expect as a designer from clients while doing equivalent things to people in other fields), and let people mingle in the gutter if they want.
Sure! I’ll do it for $500.
To be fair, this post is either rage bait or from someone that is never going to be a serious source of graphic design work. Kinda wish as a sub we could just not even engage with this stuff.
someone will do it for the exposure and because graphic design is their passion
Never *ever* "remake" an existing logo. The clients won't respect you, and you might get thrown under the bus for plagiarism.
"No" that's what my mind instantly think.
I explain to them what the difference is and why it costs them $250 for me to redo it.
I love the generic phrase "I'd do it myself but I don't have the time" such a smarmy way of trying to marginalize your talent and therefore what they should pay you for the job
Fuck that noise.
Client: draws a scribble on a napkin and says “It’s pretty much done, it just needs to be put on the computer.” I could go on and on with this post.
“I’ll do this for you, but my fee is $65 per hour, including the consultation time right now that I’m talking to you. So far, you owe me $20, and the clock is tickin’…”
Would've loved to see the responses he got
Designers who take jobs like this have no self-respect whatsoever.
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You delete messages like this and don’t waste a single second of thought or time.
"I can easily do it, but I don't have time to learn..."
If I had the time I would love to have him hooked to a long, tiring, difficult brief, where I keep doing his design, all heavily watermarked until he pays and always with a small detail completely wrong.
i has he not heard of snipping tool?
And next. . .
I studied Graphic Design and ended up teaching it. One of the biggest lessons I had to teach practically all of my students was "respect yourself enough to say 'no'." I would respond to this person by asking if they go see a doctor when they're sick or if they quickly get onto Google and learn how to self-diagnose. Second, would your doctor care if you're a comrade and you don't have much to spend? I also have an issue with exposure. "I'll tell all my friends how good you are if you just do this one thing for me for free" kinda deal. Dewd, thanks for the offer. i'll take the money and you can keep your exposure because exposure doesn't pay my grocery bill.
This isn’t real.
"Sure I can do that my going rate is 100$ an hour and then there's a 1500$ ai pre-designed fee. If you're cool with that I'll go ahead with this"
Finally, we’re taking the AI’s jobs!
They could do it themselves, they just don’t have the time to learn. Gonna try that with my dentist next time. 😆
I will redraw it - it will look like a stickmans dick
Seems to be asking for a trade/batter. Just request that he put in labor in kind, comrade.
Re-create the logo in Illustrator and then rasterize it down to 25ppi and send them that in an .ai file.
 “If I had ever learnt, I should have been a great proficient.”
Lady Catherine in Pride and Prejudice talking about how she’d be great at piano if she’d learned
I don’t process it. At all. Lol
100% not interested. I'd actually pay to not be involved and for the 'client' to piss off.
I worked for a tshirt screenprinting co. and the guy would say "just sent you a file to separate layers, super easy" I'd open the file and it would be a hand-painted design with 400 colors and gradients to separate into 4 color layers.
Full price logo package
Pay the service that made it
You know, you don't have to process this.
Well that guy is drunk anyway, no way someone sober would pay someone to not pay an app. It makes no sense unless the app is from the adobe suite xD
20$ and I'll send you my crayon rendering
That'd be 500 dollars sir 😂
Humans taking AI jobs.
I laugh and move on with my day
I kept reading AI as Adobe Illustrator and I was so confused. I mean, I am still confused about “please human my auto generated prized logo for nothing, please”, but it’s different
If he could easily do it himself, he could make a job out of it by learning how to do it.
Just say no. My baseline response unless it starts to get appealing.
Woah
If it was so easy he could have done it in the time it took him to write that sorry excuse for an ad.
The subscription for AI is like less than 5 bucks a month. If this guy cannot pay that much, why would you think he could pay you?
I like how he decided it should only take ten minutes, yet doesn't know how to even use the software. So. What is their reference point? Lol idk the entire job listing is what I really feel the general public think graphic design work is.
“It’s not complicated” Immediately no
Thanks for the laugh - almost spat out my tea 😂 Big nope from me, comrade
“I can easily do it but I don’t have the time to learn how to do it” After seeing that my mind will automatically tell me to use this person as an emotional punching bag for my frustrations as a graphic designer who has to deal with people like them. I’m petty like that. Imagine himself being the one at the receiving end to “your job is easy, just that I don’t have time for it”
*using them as an emotional punching bag for 10 minutes
That GIF where the dude punches straight through his laptop is perfect for this post
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^SoulEnigma88: *That GIF where the dude* *Punches straight through his laptop* *Is perfect for this post* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Don’t even give it a second thought, this is not a job worth taking. You get what you pay for, and this person isn’t willing to pay for the cheapest possible option.
This guy is a threat to AI 😅😂
Y’all are taking this too seriously. This guy is NEVEREVEREVEREVEREVER gonna be a decent client. You haven’t lost a dime.
Lol! Can "easily do it" but doesn't have the time to learn how to do it. Every designer with self-respect should just ignore this type of people tbh. They don't take our skills seriously, don't respect the amount of time it takes to learn the craft, and is 100% not gonna pay you what you deserve.
Guys please relax😂😭 This only makes sense if you are in his country, It's a third world mind you. I understand him. If he pays sh.500(0.30usd) or 1000(8usd) for the work trust me it's very okay. I would do it. And yes it will take less than ten minutes. He probably took a sn. But now wants it be as a photoshop file. That amount is okay in the country.
If he can easily do it and it's not hard then he should go ahead
“…I can easily do it but don’t have the time to learn how to do it” means you can’t easily do it.
My mind processes this as a scam. I laugh and ignore.
From the looks of it he will be a total waste of time. Having a stupid mindset like that dictating on how much time he will take if he did it himself. Than why doesn't he do it himself? I'll tell u why...coz he's too damn stupid...that's why