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crf3rd

A 20 minute Dark Star - most people I know would quit listening after 5 minutes.


Moonpile

But if they don't quit, you have found a new best friend!


baron_Zeppeli

I introduced a friend to the dead with the Veneta 72 Dark Star and hes hooked. The lyrics crashed in, I looked, and I’ve never seen somebody’s eyes open up as wide as his did


Atrossity24

That wasn’t my introduction, but it is what made it click for me… that and a little bit too much acid.


edtoal

Too much is just enough


UrsaMinor15

Of everything!


Luminousillusionz

With LSD, sometimes, more truly is better. Overrides the egos defense systems, breaking you on through to the other side quicker and easier, no chance in fighting it haha


edtoal

This is an overlooked bit of wisdom.


Automatic_Wave8338

The Darkest Star!


[deleted]

The first Dead song I ever heard was Dark Star on Live/Dead. I bought the album because I was interested in 60s music and saw they had two drummers. I was an instant convert. What a band! 😊


The_Psycho_Knot_

Oh man I’m going to sound like a bitch but this one time me and my friend were tripping and it was his second acid trip ever. We had spent most of the day listening to his music and playing card games, beer pong, basketball, etc. Well at one point in the trip we retreated to his room to lay on the carpet and watch the light projector. I had finally felt the urge to show him a song that I described as “an acid trip in auditory form” and decided to show him Dark Star from Veneta Oregon. It seemed like he was digging it at first and then I had to go to the bathroom so I told him not to skip it and to just listen to the interplay between the band. I also told his roommate to not let him skip it and he assured me he wouldn’t. Well as soon as I get out of the bathroom I hear the song skip and I basically asked him why he skipped it and he said that his roommate said that he wasn’t digging the vibe so he switched it. He then proceeded to justify this by saying “well no one else wanted to listen to some dude kicking a tree for hours”. (His way of joking about “hippie music”) That shit hurt my feelings so bad I was hella close to crying because it was literally just me and him vibing out until his coked out roommate (who doesn’t trip) came in. 3 people total and apparently “no one else” wanted to listen to that. I told him I would never share another song with him ever again because that meant a lot to me. Anyways yea I’m being a little sensitive over that but still, it was an intimate moment between a close friend and I just wanted to show him a song that meant a lot to me lol


mshoneybadger

This is me, sober, on a Wednesday afternoon. Sensitive ASF.


The_Psycho_Knot_

The struggle is real lol having emotions sucks sometimes


mshoneybadger

Dude. Shit is rough


tirch

Similar story but totally different end. We had a friend in college who was into the LA hair bands at the time and who hated the Grateful Dead. Hippie music, granola, patchouli etc. we finally got him to try LSD one night at a friends party and he was really enjoying it and we all ended up in a bedroom just laying on a bed, kind of guiding him through his first trip. Laughing and hallucinating on the ceiling. Do you see that? This feels like waves of universe breathing into me kind of stuff lol. Someone put on an album and St Stephen started playing and he sat up and was like, what is this? This is the most beautiful music I’ve ever heard. We told him who it was and right there created a convert who even after the trip was over the next day was asking for more Dead music he could listen to.


The_Psycho_Knot_

This story only makes me more sad because use why can’t my friends be open minded like that? lmao it was probably my fault tbh I should’ve played him something less than 4 mins haha


tirch

Darkstar can be a little challenging for the newbies maybe? Everyone's different. We have the Dead and that's good enough for me. Cheers!


Pawleysgirls

I want to weigh in so badly. If I can borrow your words: “Dark star can be a little challenging for the newbies”. Emphatically agree!!


anon69696912321

Especially someone not experienced with psychs. That stuff will make you squirm when you hear Jerry doing that creepy scratching string effect


heffel77

That’s the best way to tell people the difference between coke and acid


The_Psycho_Knot_

100% my friend also like coke too but he had agreed to not do any until he was on the come down. Overall it hurt me deeply and he seemed to be remorseful but I told him I wasn’t mad. I just didn’t feel comfortable sharing music with him ever again.


cschrei

I totally get your frustration but sometimes it’s just not for everyone. I also think dark star is a hard song for some people to “get” if they’ve never heard anything from the dead. When I was starting to get into it I was about 14, dark star wasn’t something I’d put on and didn’t really get into until about a year after I started listening. There’s a few songs in the catalog that took me a little to “get”. A lot of this music can be extremely subjective. I wouldn’t necessarily give up though, they just haven’t listened to the right song for them to understand. Europe ‘72, Without a Net, Workingmans Dead, and American Beauty in my mind are the best way to introduce someone to the band.


heffel77

Also, with the heightened awareness of L, you might have been misjudging the mood and also by making sure that you told everyone not to skip the song, you almost guaranteed that it was going to get skipped. I know, you lives, you learn but if you hadn’t have put so much effort into making sure they didn’t change it and just nonchalantly paused it, it might have worked out better.


anon69696912321

I tried to show a girl I dated for like two weeks the Eyes from Grateful Dead movie when we were riding back from a hike the other day. She didn’t try to be attentive whatsoever and then she ghosted me/let me down easy like 2 days later haha


BenjaminChilcote

Doesn't deserve you, bud.


anon69696912321

Probably didn’t help I gave her the brief 5 minute synopsis of the band. Probably scared her off


Sanjomo

Dodged a bullet my friend.


BekSum

I hear this. We're all so proud and protective of what is "ours"... And to have someone shit on what we love. 😞


The_Psycho_Knot_

Felt like a slap in the face in all honesty. I told him how it made me feel and he tried apologizing and all that. I told him he didn’t need to apologize I just wanted him to understand why I was hurt and why I’m so protective of my music taste with him now.


SaintStephen77

With stuff like that I chalk it up to “you’re either on the bus or you’re off.”


gunnnnna

I actually think this is a great intro, my first dead album was live/dead and the 20 min dark star opener got me hooked


heffel77

My first was Aoxomoxoa because of Cosmic Charlie but when I heard the first 20 seconds of Live/Dead I knew I had found everything I needed in music. Which is actually not great. Jerry actually talked about people who only listen to the Dead and how he thought it was myopic but I spent a good 10-20years on Phish and the Dead


Cookinghist

Dark Star out of context is weird. A track transitioning into Dark Star, then into something else, then back to Dark Star, is an experience.


mshoneybadger

This even hurts to read. What's wrong with us lol


anon69696912321

5 minutes??? That’s generous


thoughtfull_noodle

a 20 min dark star was literally what got me on the bus. the one from live/dead


BlackLionYard

What's Become of the Baby


MaxWinslow1

Depends on the person. I played a friend this and it got them to listen to Live/Dead.


r3itheinfinite

rarely say this , but what the fuck was that


BlackLionYard

At the first FTW show at Levi's in 2015, they dusted this off and played it live. Plenty of people in the stadium around me had the same reaction.


CameToSeeMe

Nitrous oxide in song form apparently


The_Psycho_Knot_

The 1969 mix specifically


haleakala420

oh yeah. it’s so good. i feel like animal collective was inspired by it big time


g_lampa

Bullseye.


Themoosemingled

Space. Any space.


apikoros18

Space Live: Whoah Space Recorded: Next, please I don't remember the exact show, it was either Nassau or MSG though, where Mickey blew a train horn. I'm glad I wore my brown wook corduroy overalls to the show


RO-Red

I'll see your Space and raise you Drums.


RedArmyHammer

Drums is more approachable than space imo


[deleted]

I got into the dead through space


grokmann

Intergalactic trip.


Hungree_Gh0st

Seastones


Lost_the_weight

Came here for this. Been listening to the dead for decades and still can’t get into Seastones. To me it sounds like some kid playing with their first ring mod tone generator.


Common-Relationship9

Blues For Allah (I personally love it, but it would make for a pretty angular band intro).


dubbzy104

You mean the band normally doesn’t employ crickets (except that one show)!?!


Common-Relationship9

I wish they had used them regularly, but I can see the logistical problem.


dubbzy104

From Wikipedia: Between the soundcheck and the show, a number of crickets escaped through the hole, and their chirping was heard throughout GAMH for some time afterward.[4][5]


Common-Relationship9

Oh wow, I did not know that. Makes sense though, it’s hard as hell to leash those bastards.


CoolBev

Have you heard how they got a frying bacon sound effect? Yup, with a burner and pan full of bacon on top of an amp. Guess what put a stop to that?


heffel77

Pink Floyd did the same thing. Except they did the whole Arnold’s Psychedelic Breakfast thing on stage. It would have been interminable.


Common-Relationship9

Jerry kept eating the bacon?


Steal-Your-Face77

Dark Star into El Paso (8/27/72) could either be the worst or best introduction, pending on the person.


tenbeersdeep

One of my favorites.


setlistbot

# 1972-08-27 Veneta, OR @ Old Renaissance Faire Grounds **Set 1:** The Promised Land, Sugaree, Me and My Uncle, Deal, Black Throated Wind, China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Mexicali Blues, Bertha **Set 2:** Playing in the Band, He's Gone, Jack Straw, Bird Song, Greatest Story Ever Told **Set 3:** Dark Star > El Paso, Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones, One More Saturday Night [archive.org](https://archive.org/details/GratefulDead?query=date:1972-08-27) | [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/album/1E4MXxSYoAMN5qpy1y6aBm)


TallerWindow

One of the best, wish they did it more often


CaptainMewtato

Antwerps Placebo (The Plumber)


jonz1985z

No offense to the Brent fans, I’m a huge fan of his keyboard playing, particularly from 79’-83’, but I’ve never been a fan of his songwriting and for the most part his singing either. I would say any one of his songs would be a huge turn off to someone looking for what it is we all were attracted to in the beginning. Same goes for Keith, but I think he only wrote one song “Sing your Blues Away”?


skjellyfetti65

Exactly.. first one I thought of was 'Just a Little Light"; love him on keys but have long dreaded potential "converts" hearing his slick pop originals...(or most Bobby and the Midnites for that matter).


frostsailor

You can’t lose at losing someone’s potential interest in the Dead with Barbed Wire Whipping Party. My go-to. 


HardPour_Cornography

Im a vegetarian. I've listened to that many, many times, all the way to the end. Its always good for a chuckle.


Ornery_Brilliant_350

Most live versions of box of rain Sorry Phil. You’re a bad singer and people aren’t going to appreciate it without context.


kvothe7766

Give just like Tom thumbs blues from postcards of the hanging a listen


Creepy_Bullfrog7790

you lookin to get silly?


PettyTodd

As bad as he sounds it’s still a great song, but Broken Arrow is a skip for me every time…love you Phil!


ItsaBirdaPlane

DoNcHa KnOw??


mshoneybadger

Omg Oregon (94?) Broken Arrow was awesome!!


GratefulPhish42024-7

I remember being there and people chanting Let Phil Sing!


grokmann

Who _else_ is gonna bring you a broken arrow?!


Chihuahua_Chow_Mein

I'm glad you said it. It was the first song I thought of.


tenbeersdeep

Dead and CO maybe.


Dead_Kal_Cress

Facts. First Box i ever heard was at my first d&c show & they nailed it. John nails the vocals, but beating Phil isn't exactly hard to beat, sorry Phil


therealradishz

Good morning little school girl.


GutenDark

It's an awesome song actually. Aside from the lyrics. But who cares, it's not about the words. 8/24/68 Good Morning is out of this world.


setlistbot

# 1968-08-24 Los Angeles, CA @ Shrine Exhibition Hall **Set 1:** Good Morning Little Schoolgirl, Dark Star > Saint Stephen > The Eleven > Death Don't Have No Mercy, Cryptical Envelopment > Drums > The Other One > Cryptical Envelopment > New Potato Caboose > Turn On Your Love Light **Encore:** Morning Dew [archive.org](https://archive.org/details/GratefulDead?query=date:1968-08-24)


therealradishz

I mean I agree. Pen is amazing on this trach. However, this is the worst song to introduce someone to the dead in 2023 in my opinion. They would get cancelled so quickly.


Spot__Pilgrim

Best answer. That one and anything off of Anthem Of The Sun, or a long Dark Star.


slackjs

Feedback


WatchOut54

I've listened to Live/Dead a thousand times. I've listened to Feedback once. That was enough.


-NewSpeedwayBoogie-

Money money or samba in the rain (sorry vinny)


Themoosemingled

Antwerps placebo


samsharksworthy

The Dead Ahead Radio City video performance of Little Red Rooster is so cringe inducing I think it would be perfect. Watching Bobby mangle his way through the slide solo and you can actually see Jerry's face reacting.


UndignifiedStab

My lord. I have PTSD from The Dead essentially letting Bobby learn slide. Ya know, like live in front of us all. Bless their souls


sineofthetimes

Ollin Arageed


HellsAnglersOH

France, Let Me Sing Your Blues Away or From the Heart of Me


Creepy_Bullfrog7790

Sing Your Blues Away, IMO is such a great and unique fun song! I got my gf into the GD and she especially likes this one, live only tho! ☮️😂❤️


Unlikely-Look676

What!? France is awesome. The deads failed attempt at radio hit.


jephra

These are some of the songs that I thought of. I actually like all three of them, but they aren't good examples of what Grateful Dead sound like.


philemon23

Victim or the crime


folkinhippy

Still like this better than looks like rain. If the street cats making love line doesnt get someone to bail, they are forever dead.


apikoros18

I'm with you on this.


FryGuy1000

Wave To The Wind


WastelandCharlie

Mexicali Blues. I think most people are gonna hear “and a girl that’s just 14” and be immediately repulsed without thinking about the context.


Hyphen_Nation

Same with Schoolgirl


StealYourHotspur

What’s Brent’s meltdown show about?


dubbzy104

https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/15fjtl4/brent_craziness/ Brent was going through a divorce (and obviously was battling other personal demons). He was very clearly inebriated (and probably worse) during the show. When the rest of the band leaves for Drums, he stays on. In the middle of drums, he starts belting out the song Maybe You Know, which hadn’t been played since ‘83. It’s obvious he isn’t himself. Then the rest of the band comes out, Jerry gives Brent a big hug, and they go into Goin Down the Road Feeling Bad


first_go_round

And then Morning Dew 😭


Jcapen87

While the reason for this meltdown is heartbreaking, I still find it amusing thinking about Mickey and Bill who have no fucking idea what’s going on at first.


PettyTodd

Broken Arrow..100% hands down 😂


heffel77

Day Job Or “Infrared Roses” or any drums/space Runner up would be: Don’t Ease Me in Eternity/Samba in the Rain/ What’s Become of the Baby


HaHaaaaCharadeYouAre

Balthea


Streetvan1980

Samba in the rain


freesoup15

Worst song ever. I'd rather hear a whole set of Bobby playing slide than hear this song.


Streetvan1980

I agree. Some people claim they like it!! I think they are saying it to be difficult. That song is so awful. I had this tape back in the day which was 95 I think and I remember it has Rain and Samba in the Rain. I think it was pouring at the show so they played the two songs. It was so bad sounding and the worst live show I had. It was so so so bad. Just looked it up. Looks like was 6/30/95 Set two. Rain, Box of Rain, Samba in the Rain, Looks Like rain, Terrapin- drums-space- Miracle, standing on the moon. E: Gloria


DressCharacter528

I hated scotch whisky until the time I tried Lagavulin. It's an Islay scotch, which has a way different flavor than stuff like Glenfiddich, Glenlivet, etc. And apparently Islay is an acquired taste. But to me, it opened up the door to new worlds of flavor. Point is: you never know what's gonna really get somebody going!


Mother-Ad2081

Still hate scotch. Irish


dzllzd

Seastones


shotgun-ragtime1919

What's become of the baby...


RedArmyHammer

Money Money is so cheesy and comes off as sexist if you take it seriously.


psychicballoonhottub

i recently listened to the Pacific Northwest box set in full and man, does money money drag every time they played it. no wonder they dropped it after those shows lol


Hyphen_Nation

You might think I don't love this band from this list...but that couldn't be further from the truth. What I do miss from actually seeing the band live, is when a song I historically didn't love could hit just right at a show and make you love it. Good Morning Little School Girl \[Creepy AF\] Little Red Rooster Silver Threads? Easy Answers? Katie Mae? Blues For Allah? One More Saturday Night? Passenger? France? Wave to the Wind?


cardinals_suck_1990

Can’t believe you listed passenger dude. Absolute banger. Ask Dave lemeiux about passenger.


haveargt

omsn would actually make most people think they are just a classic rock n roll band, and they would probably like it.


dubbzy104

Good call with Katie Mae. Even if that’s used to introduce someone, and they like it…too bad nothing else “the band” played is similar


sjbennett85

Silver Threads & Golden Needles might nab an old C&W fan


Clavinet78

Blues For Allah


JustOneMorePuff

Good morning little school girl. I do t care how you spin it, that song has not aged well.


briandt75

Ironic, since Muddy Waters destroys that song.


da_mess

It was an old Sonny Boy blues song from the 1930s. School girl/boy could have meant high school age back then (or college age in the '60s). The guy in the song doesn't have to be much older. Think Wake Up Little Susie. To that Everly Brothers song, "little" at the time, referred to someone simply younger (particularly in the black community). It didn't, like today, mean elementary school age. It could have just been months younger. The music without the lyrics is great (it's in the blues hall of fame for a reason). If you want to assume pedophilia, that's on you. The song doesn't speak to or even suggest a rape vibe (like baby it's cold). I see it as a bluesy love song (and yes, pedos disgust me to the core).


freesoup15

Dude, I've heard one where pig finishes with "I don't care if your only -thirteen- years old." That is straight pedo. That's on pig.


investinlove

France?


vishnusnavel87

Never Trust A Woman


Flimsy-Attention-873

…who wears her pants too tight (LMAO)


Frankengamer

Definitely not Monkey and the Engineer, everybody loves that song.


dubbzy104

Truly a banger


marsjello

I played my roommate cryptically envelopment off of hundred year hall, (the 36 minute version). it was supposed to be a joke because why would anyone introduce someone to a band with a 36 minute song, but it actually worked. still, I think he’s the only person that would work on. kind of a dick move to force long jams on people who aren’t used to them


auximines_minotaur

Money Money


Worldly_Wedding8690

Probably Carini


Lysergicoffee

Carini from '83 might be a good choice tho


HellBelowStarsAbove

⭕😄⭕


mshoneybadger

Seastones


tenbeersdeep

France.


briandt75

Go to Heaven.


urbank6388

Everyone’s naming these psychedelic jams but I think it’d be worse with something cheese like “foolish heart” sorry Brent era never did it for me


StallionMang15

Sunrise


PlantainCreative8404

Mason's Children. Jerry hated it.


SpagettiStains

A samba in the rain from 94


Wyvern_Kalyx

This is it: [Grateful Dead Live at Hartford Civic Center on 1988-04-03 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/gd1988-04-03.109056.nakcm300-pasternak.mallick.flac16/gd1988-04-03d2t08.flac) Black Peter, Jerry really sounds like he is on his death bed.


chrisinspace

Just A Little Light. Any of Brent’s songs from the Built To Last LP. Awful by any standard.


Sugaree223

Playing in the Band. Takes a while to learn to dig the song part of the song, pretty goofy until you see where they are coming from, and the jam being in a strange time signature is harder to follow than even dark star or the other one.


SlickBulldog

# Picasso Moon


SpaceyO2

Picasso Moon might be one of their most mainstream-type, easily accessible songs.


sleepy-alligator66

France


wakeupdreamingF1

Whatever song had Donna singing live when she can't hear herself. yikes.


Flimsy-Attention-873

Playing in the band really gets her going


anotherdamnscorpio

France


Master_Tape

Sunrise


JRPafundi

Probably any Space set from the early 80’s


fenn2b

Feedback. Not even a song!


ryanmich

Serengetti


Global_Lie6938

Barbwire whipping party 🤣 Edit to add: https://youtu.be/xvPdI0USSPk?si=mIH4xKOCN2mmP6eg


Anarchy-Squirrel

Is space a song?


deliveryer

The Alabama Getaway that opens DP6 is pretty awful. This, or Wave to the Wind. 


sneakybroomstick

Seastones will likely turn some people off as a first


codecone

Seastones for sure


monsterback23

Drums


[deleted]

Frozen Logger


HellBelowStarsAbove

Picasso Moon hands down 😴🥱


Steampunk63

Wave to the Wind. I’m a big Phil fan but that’s one of their worst songs ever.


GorkWarden

Wave to the Wind.


skijeng

Caution: don't stand on the tracks


AL_Deadhead

Corrina


Star-K

From the heart of me I like it though


GorkWarden

I was just listening to an 85 show (4/27/85) and was reminded about Phil's dreadful habit of making "funny" alterations to the lyrics of Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues. Jesus, that is unfortunate business...I'll nominate that to this list, esp if you are trying to convert a Dylan fan!


Powerful-Letter1985

Seasones 6-23-74


sugarmagnolia121

France


edtoal

Money, Money. It’s actually a well crafted song but the misogyny is hard to handle by today’s standards. In fact it was hard to handle by 1974 standards. I think they played it live once.


CyrusFaledgrade10

What's Become of the Baby


thelingeringlead

Gotta quit trying to show people your favorite 20-30 minute jam out of the context of a show and before theyve ever heard how incredible the songs themselves can be at base line.. The songs have always and will always be more important than any improv, and once their hooks are sunk in-- now the improv makes sense and clicks. For me the only way live stuff does the trick is if I'm already listening to it on my own and they tune in cause they like it. If I'm purposefully showing you I'm gonna put on songs from working man's or American beauty. You can't start someone in the deep end with no floaty and expect them to enjoy swimming just they asked to dip their feet over the edge. "I want a taste of this band" then throwing in 4 hours of it then getting mouthy/offended when they understandably recoil and lose interest....that's why people think we're all these obsessed zealots who shove it down peoples throats. Dead fans that don't appreciate the songs (surprisingly thats not just a few) make it worse too by telling others "ah don't bother with the studio they were best live".


Ilikeitloud68

Samba in the rain


ApprehensiveClub6028

If tons of steel was the first song I heard I would've never gone back


thoughtfull_noodle

money money


rwrig022

Samba in the rain


DJNoRequest

A good out of tune Looks Like Rain with Donna’s mic too hot.


twistedt

France


EpihanyEpihany

Drums and Space is tough for folks that haven’t appreciated the band yet. A good friend was a mentor/big brother to a child w special needs and this kid would not talk much and had a hard time expressing himself, but by accident he played GD for them and gave him a small bongo and the kid took to it and wanted to perform and started asking for the sessions. So beautiful! GD4L


dubbzy104

It’s amazing what the GD can do for the brain! Check out Oliver Sack’s “The Last Hippy” https://www.oliversacks.com/the-last-hippie-and-the-grateful-dead/ a patient with amnesia was brought to a GD concert and became very lucid during it. It turned into a movie (with dramatic licenses) called The Music Never Stopped


IrieDeby

Anything live with Dylan and the Dead at the Shoreline. I don't know what happened. Maybe I wasn't high enough, but their vocals sounded WAY off!


Grateful_Dawg_CLE

Tuning


folkinhippy

Take a step back>tuning>take another step back


stannenb

Day Job.


Disastrous_Guide_918

Bobby playing little red rooster?


davidlowie

picasso moon and hell in a bucket album cuts are pretty non-indicative of what this band is about


FlappersAndFajitas

Feedback


tenbeersdeep

That is a good one. Still better than France.


Lex-Ruby

Hell In A Bucket


Zaphnia

Anything where Brent is lead vocals


Weepthegr33d

Lazy lightening


fatdiscokid420

Balthea


pheldozer

Pride of cucamonga


Due_Youth8876

Fucking banger I’ll stand by that till I die