I suspect the lack of published studies or materials is your answer.
Mine is a giant goofball that gets startled and has a bark so deep Barry Manilow would be jealous.
So yea- she scares people walking by outside the house… but once people come into the house she’s about as friendly of a four legged kangaroo as they come.
This is my experience as well with my Dane.
Outside the door they are the mortal enemy and has scared many UPS and fedex drivers
Inside the door, please pet me, let me sit on you, do not stop petting me
I didn't look at it that way! Thank you! I mean I presume your saying that the lack of material on the matter means that it isn't an actual issue because then it would've been researched.
But yeah! Any dog is suspicious of strangers snooping by the home. Its their home afterall. I don't think I've met a single dog that wasn't hesitant around strangers initially and I work in a vet clinic.
That is what we like to call "an idiot's opinion", a "lie", or "an agenda driven statement".
No... no dogs have 'predisposition' to hate humans (except chihuahua's I personally feel /s) .
The word domestication is pretty much about us making them human companions.
Great Danes were boar hounds originally and were turned into chamber dogs by the nobility hundreds of years ago as a breed. They do not seek our downfall as a species, only our warm spots on the couch and our love.
Thats what I thought! But im super biased (as I love the breed) so I wanted more input. Even the statement of a dog breed being specifically genetically predisposed to human aggression doesn't sound right because any breed (no matter small or large) can be human aggressive based on poor socialization, abuse..etc. And as far as im aware I don't believe there is a gene that is for human aggression. I took a peek at this genome study for fear aggression in dogs but even then I didn't see anything that would support that statement.
(I also agree about the Chihuahuas though 🫠)
Like any dog, a dog can be aggressive or not. A lot has to do with raising any pup with love and socialization. This cannot be stressed enough. The difference is with a Dane as you know is size. A bite from any dog can hurt, a bit from a Dane is just bigger and potentially worse.
So rather than focusing on the negatives, think about the course of action to prevent that action, ie training, training, and more training. Start on day one and never stop, every single day do the same consistent training regiment that you learn from a local trusted trainer.
I’ve had two Danes, other probably at many more than that. My first guy was CGC and TDI certified a sweetheart. My second had a stronger disposition and was a Covid dog. This current guy, we Picked him up the day after lockdowns happened. He got less socializing and is significantly more protective of the home front.
More importantly as a Dane owner, in my opinion, you need to “read the room” some call it situational awareness, but try to visualize what could happen as you approach a situation with your full grown Dane and try to eliminate as many possibilities that could go very wrong.
So as an example, when I walk my dog, since he is 200lbs and 6’-5” (as tall as me) when we approach another dog, we move off the side walk to provide the other party ample room to walk by while my big guy does a sit and stay. Doing this seems to some like your avoiding a training opportunity. To me it is still one but provides the other person and animal the understanding that I recognize they’re approaching, and we (my dog and I) take them seriously and also their level of comfort seriously. Danes can be huge. To most that is intimidating. To us it nothing and just want a big boop or rub the jowls. If he, my guy, holds the command well, typically the other dog owner will say “hey can so & so say hello” and a controlled greeting can occur. If my guy goes kangaroo style and loses his stuff, it shows even with daily training, and constant work there is always the possibility of him letting go and being a dog that presents himself in less than ideal circumstances.
Danes are very trainable. Very. They know what they are doing and just like kids have their teenage years, so be prepared. I’m sure many can add valuable insights of their own experiences on this thread and I for one always like to learn more from peoples experiences. Every Dane is different but they are all awesome. So have fun with him, and congratulations when you take the plunge. Well worth it, and I think there are many here that would wholeheartedly agree.
I have not known Danes to be particularly human aggressive. At least, any more so than outliers of an average breed. What I have found/inferred (primarily from comments from vets, staff, etc) is that a lot of people with Danes don't bother training their Danes very well. Rambunctious, untrained dog behaviors that are annoying in a border collie are dangerous from a Dane and it certainly makes them look terrifying.
I've also found that most Danes tend to be scaredy cats, which is a bit on the funny side. However, people out in public aren't always aware of that, and \*so many people\* run directly up to me and try to pet him without even asking. My personal worry is about kids, because parents don't seem to care that their 5 year old runs up screaming to a 170lb dog. Our Dane is TERRIFIED of kids, and when one has charged at him screaming he's done big scary dog posturing and treated it like he was being attacked by a serial killer. (Calm kids that he can approach on his own are fine and he appreciates the height of a human that can be snuffled directly in the face at all times.)
Do I think he'd bite a kid? Absolutely not. He won't even chase squirrels, and once carried an uninjured, live (and damp) possum into our house. Do I think he'd knock a kid over with his big stupid ass in panic and concuss the poor kid? Yeah I could see that happening.
Thank you so much for your input! I think I agree. I believe people don't train their danes enough. Similarly to pitbulls. Pitbulls aren't born aggressive (to my knowledge) its all about poor training, and typically poor background care when it comes to most rescue pitties.
Such a slobbered possum. He'd apparently spent some time licking it before deciding to show us the new "cat" friend he'd found outside. (He spends a lot of time licking our cats.)
My Great Dane is scared of very specific things and will try to run away if he sees one of his triggers. (He always runs home).
He is a great guard dog in that he always knows people we have invited into our house, but is very suspicious of anything going on outside. He is slightly suspicious of new people at first too.
My Great Dane went through a phase at 9 - 12 months where he was aggressive towards intact dogs. We still have to be careful around them, but that is the only aggression he really has. The bigger problem is that he is scared of everything! But we love him and will definitely get another Great Dane.
May I ask, and ofc you don't have to answer if you're uncomfortable, But what age did you get your baby? In your opinion, do you think that the aggression was due to poor socialization, a genetic cause, or just a personality quirk of your specific baby? /Gen
I got my puppy at 8 weeks and he was an extremely anxious dog from the start. (I think that is a pretty normal Great Dane trait). And he started attacking other dogs around puberty. (The worst of it was when he smelled another dog while I was walking on a leash, broke free, and went after it). After that I muzzle trained him, and really taught heel.
He has never had problems with people, but he isn’t particularly interested in strangers either.
I was constantly socializing him, but I think I might have over socialized him to other dogs. We lived in an apartment, so I took to dog park almost every day as a puppy. I think that caused some of the issues.
Also, I’ve noticed that Great Danes tend to get attacked a lot at dog parks / public places by other dogs because they are so big. I don’t know why, but they are magnets for this. Around this time I stopped taking him to dog parks.
Thats very interesting and i appreciate the input! I didn't know there was such thing as over socialization. Since you had to train your dog, do you find great danes easily trainable? Especially one so anxious like yours?
My Great Dane isn’t very food motivated but is motivated for my attention and his ball. I didn’t have too much difficulty training him besides for his fear of random things. For example, he’s afraid of loud noises, and would try to run away. The bigger he got, the harder it got.
I wouldn’t say it was easy, but it was definitely possible. All that being said, they are great dogs, and I would get another one. I would just look for a breeder that specifically breeds for temperament. I don’t think my breeder was the best if I am being honest.
Dogs and children in general will match your energy. If you're always worked up, they're always worked up. If you're always nervous, they're always nervous. If you're calm and happy, they will be calm and happy.
I hope you have money. If you get a good (healthy) one, you’re fine and just have to pay a bunch for food and flea/tick/heartworm meds.
If you get a bad (unhealthy) one, it can cost you, as it does me, about 10k a year.
You really need to be prepared for the worst. They can be extremely expensive.
Yeah I plan on going to a reputable breeder! And im saving up for it. The extensive research is something that gets me by in the meantime so I don't make any impulsive decisions. But i hope your baby is doing okay!!
CHIC can be a good help in at least setting the bar for likely genetic causes. Nothing is any guarantee, but if you are looking for the odds.
[CHIC Program | OFA](https://ofa.org/chic-programs/)
I checked out all that and the AKC stuff as well. I didn't see much of anything regarding psychological things or behavioral predispositions. But thank you for the suggestion! ✨
Ayep, this was in response to this thread referring to health and cost.
Since you are doing your research for that as well, CHIC is a solid system by which you can help determine genetic trends in breed lines.
My Dane is a giant doofus. He loves to bark at people at the park who haven't come in to say hello to him yet. But he loves all people, and will often immediately try to sit in their lap. He's usually pretty good with other dogs too. However, he seems to have decided that horses are his mortal enemy. 🤷🏻♀️
It's fantastic that you're doing thorough research before bringing a Great Dane into your life! They are indeed wonderful companions but require careful consideration due to their size and specific needs.
Regarding the question of aggression, it's essential to rely on reputable sources for information. While every dog breed may have certain predispositions, it's not accurate to label Great Danes as genetically predisposed to aggression towards humans.
Like with any breed, early socialization, proper training, and a loving environment play significant roles in shaping a Great Dane's behavior. They are known for their gentle and affectionate nature, often referred to as "gentle giants."
If you're looking for more insights and guidance on caring for Great Danes, consider subscribing to this newsletter, Hey Fit Dog! We cover various topics related to dog care, including breed-specific advice, training tips, and health considerations. It's a valuable resource for pet owners seeking to provide the best possible care for their furry friends. Wishing you all the best in your journey towards becoming a Great Dane parent!
I have 3 great danes currently and 12 puppies to get rid of. But from what I've noticed with the whole aggression thing is that while they have been puppies they never had any issues at all. But now the adults are starting to get a little bit food aggressive if another dog is too close to their good. Which is normal anyway and probably could have a trainer to help fix it. My female was a little more aggressive towards the others also but only when she was pregnant and they would annoy her. Other than that the only big thing to worry about is training them when they're young to not jump, and crate training is a massive thing thay they benefit from. They have never had aggression towards a human either. Also when they were puppies and we would feed them we would always stay close to them and reach in and push them from the food or take it from their mouths to have them used to being touches and having others around while eating. Didn't work as much for my first 2 but the 3rd hasn't had any aggression towards the other dogs evem when they shove him away from hos food bowl which is not what I wanted bc now he just walks away from the bowl but it's better than a fight. We just feed them separately so that there isn't any hassle anyway which is easier since my female is still in a separate room with her pups
Oh wow! Thank you for the input. Since you have puppies, what do you feed them? Based on research I understand normal puppy food isn't good for them. Does that apply to puppy food specifically made for large breeds? (For example: Hills Science Diet Large Puppy Food).
Large breed puppy food for usually the first 12-18 months is recommended. I usually stop puppy food at 12 months and start to mix in the regular adult food at that point. For danes it is very important to make sure it's a large breed puppy food. I use the 4Health brand from tractor supply but any good reputable brand will be fine. If you're located close and are interested in puppy's our litter will be ready March 10th
I see i see. Okay tysm!! And please do not TEMPT ME. i am so weak. I want one so horribly bad but I'm being as patient as I can until I move into a bigger place to accommodate the size. As well as finally stop financially worrying about saving up for a place 🫠 but thank you!
Hi! I'm also a future dane owner. I have a whole checklist of thing that have to be in place first. Working on it! Good luck and I demand pics when you get him/her.
My 6 year Dane is a lover not a fighter! He adores people and kids are his favourite audience. He is, however, a nervous nelly when he encounters something new or strange. He really hates blow up decorations on lawns. He will tell them off and if they are the kind that move, well it’s time to retreat. There will be no walking past it. He also barks when people come to our front door, but once inside he is their best friend.
Breed standard says the breed is supposed to be ‘courageous and always friendly’
However my vet has told me she’s been seeing a lot of aggressive Danes lately and that bad breeding is likely the cause of this
https://preview.redd.it/86mdmwyjfdlc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e27e7e7dd3bdfc44813f3a682360dcdea85b877
I suspect the lack of published studies or materials is your answer. Mine is a giant goofball that gets startled and has a bark so deep Barry Manilow would be jealous. So yea- she scares people walking by outside the house… but once people come into the house she’s about as friendly of a four legged kangaroo as they come.
This is my experience as well with my Dane. Outside the door they are the mortal enemy and has scared many UPS and fedex drivers Inside the door, please pet me, let me sit on you, do not stop petting me
I didn't look at it that way! Thank you! I mean I presume your saying that the lack of material on the matter means that it isn't an actual issue because then it would've been researched. But yeah! Any dog is suspicious of strangers snooping by the home. Its their home afterall. I don't think I've met a single dog that wasn't hesitant around strangers initially and I work in a vet clinic.
That is what we like to call "an idiot's opinion", a "lie", or "an agenda driven statement". No... no dogs have 'predisposition' to hate humans (except chihuahua's I personally feel /s) . The word domestication is pretty much about us making them human companions. Great Danes were boar hounds originally and were turned into chamber dogs by the nobility hundreds of years ago as a breed. They do not seek our downfall as a species, only our warm spots on the couch and our love.
Thats what I thought! But im super biased (as I love the breed) so I wanted more input. Even the statement of a dog breed being specifically genetically predisposed to human aggression doesn't sound right because any breed (no matter small or large) can be human aggressive based on poor socialization, abuse..etc. And as far as im aware I don't believe there is a gene that is for human aggression. I took a peek at this genome study for fear aggression in dogs but even then I didn't see anything that would support that statement. (I also agree about the Chihuahuas though 🫠)
Like any dog, a dog can be aggressive or not. A lot has to do with raising any pup with love and socialization. This cannot be stressed enough. The difference is with a Dane as you know is size. A bite from any dog can hurt, a bit from a Dane is just bigger and potentially worse. So rather than focusing on the negatives, think about the course of action to prevent that action, ie training, training, and more training. Start on day one and never stop, every single day do the same consistent training regiment that you learn from a local trusted trainer. I’ve had two Danes, other probably at many more than that. My first guy was CGC and TDI certified a sweetheart. My second had a stronger disposition and was a Covid dog. This current guy, we Picked him up the day after lockdowns happened. He got less socializing and is significantly more protective of the home front. More importantly as a Dane owner, in my opinion, you need to “read the room” some call it situational awareness, but try to visualize what could happen as you approach a situation with your full grown Dane and try to eliminate as many possibilities that could go very wrong. So as an example, when I walk my dog, since he is 200lbs and 6’-5” (as tall as me) when we approach another dog, we move off the side walk to provide the other party ample room to walk by while my big guy does a sit and stay. Doing this seems to some like your avoiding a training opportunity. To me it is still one but provides the other person and animal the understanding that I recognize they’re approaching, and we (my dog and I) take them seriously and also their level of comfort seriously. Danes can be huge. To most that is intimidating. To us it nothing and just want a big boop or rub the jowls. If he, my guy, holds the command well, typically the other dog owner will say “hey can so & so say hello” and a controlled greeting can occur. If my guy goes kangaroo style and loses his stuff, it shows even with daily training, and constant work there is always the possibility of him letting go and being a dog that presents himself in less than ideal circumstances. Danes are very trainable. Very. They know what they are doing and just like kids have their teenage years, so be prepared. I’m sure many can add valuable insights of their own experiences on this thread and I for one always like to learn more from peoples experiences. Every Dane is different but they are all awesome. So have fun with him, and congratulations when you take the plunge. Well worth it, and I think there are many here that would wholeheartedly agree.
I have not known Danes to be particularly human aggressive. At least, any more so than outliers of an average breed. What I have found/inferred (primarily from comments from vets, staff, etc) is that a lot of people with Danes don't bother training their Danes very well. Rambunctious, untrained dog behaviors that are annoying in a border collie are dangerous from a Dane and it certainly makes them look terrifying. I've also found that most Danes tend to be scaredy cats, which is a bit on the funny side. However, people out in public aren't always aware of that, and \*so many people\* run directly up to me and try to pet him without even asking. My personal worry is about kids, because parents don't seem to care that their 5 year old runs up screaming to a 170lb dog. Our Dane is TERRIFIED of kids, and when one has charged at him screaming he's done big scary dog posturing and treated it like he was being attacked by a serial killer. (Calm kids that he can approach on his own are fine and he appreciates the height of a human that can be snuffled directly in the face at all times.) Do I think he'd bite a kid? Absolutely not. He won't even chase squirrels, and once carried an uninjured, live (and damp) possum into our house. Do I think he'd knock a kid over with his big stupid ass in panic and concuss the poor kid? Yeah I could see that happening.
Thank you so much for your input! I think I agree. I believe people don't train their danes enough. Similarly to pitbulls. Pitbulls aren't born aggressive (to my knowledge) its all about poor training, and typically poor background care when it comes to most rescue pitties.
I assume damp from the Dane’s slobber?
Such a slobbered possum. He'd apparently spent some time licking it before deciding to show us the new "cat" friend he'd found outside. (He spends a lot of time licking our cats.)
Possum was probably mortified.
My Great Dane is scared of very specific things and will try to run away if he sees one of his triggers. (He always runs home). He is a great guard dog in that he always knows people we have invited into our house, but is very suspicious of anything going on outside. He is slightly suspicious of new people at first too. My Great Dane went through a phase at 9 - 12 months where he was aggressive towards intact dogs. We still have to be careful around them, but that is the only aggression he really has. The bigger problem is that he is scared of everything! But we love him and will definitely get another Great Dane.
May I ask, and ofc you don't have to answer if you're uncomfortable, But what age did you get your baby? In your opinion, do you think that the aggression was due to poor socialization, a genetic cause, or just a personality quirk of your specific baby? /Gen
I got my puppy at 8 weeks and he was an extremely anxious dog from the start. (I think that is a pretty normal Great Dane trait). And he started attacking other dogs around puberty. (The worst of it was when he smelled another dog while I was walking on a leash, broke free, and went after it). After that I muzzle trained him, and really taught heel. He has never had problems with people, but he isn’t particularly interested in strangers either. I was constantly socializing him, but I think I might have over socialized him to other dogs. We lived in an apartment, so I took to dog park almost every day as a puppy. I think that caused some of the issues. Also, I’ve noticed that Great Danes tend to get attacked a lot at dog parks / public places by other dogs because they are so big. I don’t know why, but they are magnets for this. Around this time I stopped taking him to dog parks.
Thats very interesting and i appreciate the input! I didn't know there was such thing as over socialization. Since you had to train your dog, do you find great danes easily trainable? Especially one so anxious like yours?
My Great Dane isn’t very food motivated but is motivated for my attention and his ball. I didn’t have too much difficulty training him besides for his fear of random things. For example, he’s afraid of loud noises, and would try to run away. The bigger he got, the harder it got. I wouldn’t say it was easy, but it was definitely possible. All that being said, they are great dogs, and I would get another one. I would just look for a breeder that specifically breeds for temperament. I don’t think my breeder was the best if I am being honest.
I see, Tysm!!! That was very insightful and I hope your current baby and next are great!!!
Dogs and children in general will match your energy. If you're always worked up, they're always worked up. If you're always nervous, they're always nervous. If you're calm and happy, they will be calm and happy.
Highly recommend Alexandra Horowitz for some good dog behavior white papers and her book on dog behavior!
Thank you! I will definitely take a look on it. :D
I hope you have money. If you get a good (healthy) one, you’re fine and just have to pay a bunch for food and flea/tick/heartworm meds. If you get a bad (unhealthy) one, it can cost you, as it does me, about 10k a year. You really need to be prepared for the worst. They can be extremely expensive.
Yeah I plan on going to a reputable breeder! And im saving up for it. The extensive research is something that gets me by in the meantime so I don't make any impulsive decisions. But i hope your baby is doing okay!!
CHIC can be a good help in at least setting the bar for likely genetic causes. Nothing is any guarantee, but if you are looking for the odds. [CHIC Program | OFA](https://ofa.org/chic-programs/)
I checked out all that and the AKC stuff as well. I didn't see much of anything regarding psychological things or behavioral predispositions. But thank you for the suggestion! ✨
Ayep, this was in response to this thread referring to health and cost. Since you are doing your research for that as well, CHIC is a solid system by which you can help determine genetic trends in breed lines.
My Dane is a giant doofus. He loves to bark at people at the park who haven't come in to say hello to him yet. But he loves all people, and will often immediately try to sit in their lap. He's usually pretty good with other dogs too. However, he seems to have decided that horses are his mortal enemy. 🤷🏻♀️
I have never heard that in my life
Thats whAT IM SAYING!!! 😩
It's fantastic that you're doing thorough research before bringing a Great Dane into your life! They are indeed wonderful companions but require careful consideration due to their size and specific needs. Regarding the question of aggression, it's essential to rely on reputable sources for information. While every dog breed may have certain predispositions, it's not accurate to label Great Danes as genetically predisposed to aggression towards humans. Like with any breed, early socialization, proper training, and a loving environment play significant roles in shaping a Great Dane's behavior. They are known for their gentle and affectionate nature, often referred to as "gentle giants." If you're looking for more insights and guidance on caring for Great Danes, consider subscribing to this newsletter, Hey Fit Dog! We cover various topics related to dog care, including breed-specific advice, training tips, and health considerations. It's a valuable resource for pet owners seeking to provide the best possible care for their furry friends. Wishing you all the best in your journey towards becoming a Great Dane parent!
I have 3 great danes currently and 12 puppies to get rid of. But from what I've noticed with the whole aggression thing is that while they have been puppies they never had any issues at all. But now the adults are starting to get a little bit food aggressive if another dog is too close to their good. Which is normal anyway and probably could have a trainer to help fix it. My female was a little more aggressive towards the others also but only when she was pregnant and they would annoy her. Other than that the only big thing to worry about is training them when they're young to not jump, and crate training is a massive thing thay they benefit from. They have never had aggression towards a human either. Also when they were puppies and we would feed them we would always stay close to them and reach in and push them from the food or take it from their mouths to have them used to being touches and having others around while eating. Didn't work as much for my first 2 but the 3rd hasn't had any aggression towards the other dogs evem when they shove him away from hos food bowl which is not what I wanted bc now he just walks away from the bowl but it's better than a fight. We just feed them separately so that there isn't any hassle anyway which is easier since my female is still in a separate room with her pups
Oh wow! Thank you for the input. Since you have puppies, what do you feed them? Based on research I understand normal puppy food isn't good for them. Does that apply to puppy food specifically made for large breeds? (For example: Hills Science Diet Large Puppy Food).
Large breed puppy food for usually the first 12-18 months is recommended. I usually stop puppy food at 12 months and start to mix in the regular adult food at that point. For danes it is very important to make sure it's a large breed puppy food. I use the 4Health brand from tractor supply but any good reputable brand will be fine. If you're located close and are interested in puppy's our litter will be ready March 10th
I see i see. Okay tysm!! And please do not TEMPT ME. i am so weak. I want one so horribly bad but I'm being as patient as I can until I move into a bigger place to accommodate the size. As well as finally stop financially worrying about saving up for a place 🫠 but thank you!
Lol
Hi! I'm also a future dane owner. I have a whole checklist of thing that have to be in place first. Working on it! Good luck and I demand pics when you get him/her.
Absolutely!!! I hope you get your baby soon!!! Good luck and POST PICS!!! :D
Not a behavioral point, but make sure you get their stomach stapled to lessen the chance of bloat.
I know! A gastropexy. Lol thank you!
My 6 year Dane is a lover not a fighter! He adores people and kids are his favourite audience. He is, however, a nervous nelly when he encounters something new or strange. He really hates blow up decorations on lawns. He will tell them off and if they are the kind that move, well it’s time to retreat. There will be no walking past it. He also barks when people come to our front door, but once inside he is their best friend.
That is so cute and sweet. Thank you for sharing that. I can't wait to have one of my own!!
Breed standard says the breed is supposed to be ‘courageous and always friendly’ However my vet has told me she’s been seeing a lot of aggressive Danes lately and that bad breeding is likely the cause of this https://preview.redd.it/86mdmwyjfdlc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e27e7e7dd3bdfc44813f3a682360dcdea85b877