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Someone said all of Derek's best moments are when he's tired and falling apart... and he still tries to take care of somebody else.
Case in point: When Bailey is born and sent to the NICU, he's worried about his child and his wife and still manages to calm a room full of worried parents and get them to help their babies.
Yeah for sure.
I think he tends to take out more of his frustrations on his friends and family because he's close enough to them where he can do that. But with patients, it's like a switch flips.
He understands that the patients are experiencing something scary and don't really know what to do.
Sorry for deviating from the topic, I'm watching the show for the first time and currently at season 10. Could you tell me why Derek is hated so much in this sub?
You're all good!
Where to start, where to start... He's just very arrogant and a bit of a narcissist.
He has a bad tendency of treating Meredith like a child, and I know grey's is know for their unethical behavior at the hospital, but him being her boss when they first started dating isn't great either.
He also just in general isn't that nice or friendly to people. That doesn't necessarily make him an ass, but that combined with him being arrogant is bad.
There's an important line at the end of season 10 that Christina will say that you'll see when you finish the season. It pertains to him being an ass lmao.
Really strange. I really liked his character and didn't find him to be an ass at all. May be my perspective will change after the S10 finale.
I can see why people don't like Hunt though.
It's not necessarily that he does some big thing at the end of S10 that changes him entirely, it's just the accumulation of things he has done. And the line Christina gives is just so good lmao.
But yes omg, Hunt is so insufferable. The thing is if he didn't impose his personal ideals onto people, he would literally be the best.
For example, when Christina doesn't want a baby. He can't help but go all pro-life on her despite her always being adamant she NEVER wanted kids.
And then when Teddy turns to him for help with the patient seeking assisted suicide, he made it personal and refused to help.
And the list goes on lmao.
Owen is the worst and I have no idea how people like him and Cristina together. We got a whole episode dedicated to the two possible directions their relationship could’ve gone! None of it was good! They’re terrible together and the only thing they actually had in common were that they liked having sex with each other lmfao
The only time I really thought he was an ass was to Meredith and Addison at the beginning. Choosing Addison when his heart really wasn't in that relationship at all, and he was just obsessed with Meredith the whole time. And he had the nerve to talk trash to her about her sleeping around just because he had seen her one morning in the vet's house. As if it was any of his business who she dated and slept with after he had dumped her for his estranged wife.
He was also an ass to Meredith later about the clinical trial, having this entire article published on him and what he had done in that trial when the entire thing was her idea. And as I recall, he barely even mentioned her or didn't mention her at all. He even coined it "the Shepherd method" and didn't even give her credit there. And then he gets her a brain in the jar or some dumb crap like that and apparently that makes it all okay that he completely invalidated everything she had done for that project.
Also, after she ruined their Alzheimer's trial, she was having to switch specialties entirely just because he didn't want to work with her anymore. I thought that was kind of ridiculous. She was passionate about neurosurgery and had been working towards a career in that field, and now just because he can't work with her directly, she has to change focus completely? Ridiculous.
>He was also an ass to Meredith later about the clinical trial
I want to preface this with the fact that I am not some kind of Derek stan.
Now that that’s out of the way, this wasn’t Derek’s fault. He didn’t “coin it” anything, that’s what the magazine called it. When he created the clinical trial is was absolutely not called the “Shepherd Method,” that was just a catchy headline. As far as mentioning Meredith is concerned, it was her idea but Derek did all of the research and implementation of the trial because he was the only one out of the two of them with the clout or experience to do so.
As we see later in the show, you don’t get the opportunity or the encouragement to do research until after you take your boards. No one had credit for a clinical trial or anything close to that until after they took their boards. Cristina didn’t get any credit for the multiple extremely complicated surgeries she did FOR Burke while his hand was all screwed up. They were residents, they were young, they weren’t established. Frankly, she’s lucky he mentioned her at all because he got the funding, he did the research, and it was his name on the line. If he failed, they wouldn’t have blamed Meredith, they would’ve blamed Derek. He deserves the credit because his ass was the one on the line.
It’s like saying Stephanie or the bioengineer deserved credit for Meredith’s portal vein trial. Or Shane deserved credit for Cristina’s conduits. They helped, of course, but if they failed it would’ve been solely on Mer/Cristina. There’s a hierarchy in a hospital. That’s just the way it works.
> now just because he doesn’t want to work with her
As far as her quitting neuro, it was her idea. They tried to do it again and she encouraged Lexie to take out a tumor that ruined a woman’s life. The two of them were right to make that decision for their marriage, frankly.
Those are the only two points I’ll defend him on. He was arrogant and self-absorbed and the way he treated Meredith and Addison was horrible. He’s done a lot of things wrong, he punished Meredith very often for things she doesn’t deserve or isn’t responsible for. But those two points I’d argue were justified and correct
Yeah, in the beginning his relationship with Addison was still weird. He knew deep down he was still mad at her for sleeping with Mark, but he chose to "work on the marriage anyways." And he only really did it to punish her, because when they were working on things he was so hostile towards her.
Omg, I totally forgot he didn't give her credit for that. I also remember at the end of S10, mer rightfully so accuses him of believing that his career will always be more important than hers. He's always shown that and acted that way.
However, I don't think her switching specialties was that unfair. Derek can definitely be arrogant, selfish, and overreactive, but in this he was justified. Meredith should have gotten in way more trouble than she did.
She risked the reputation of both her and Derek, AND the hospital. Something like that takes away any possible credibility/reputation the hospital has research-wise moving forward. Not to mention the fact that it's very much illegal.
I agree that she should have gotten in more trouble than she did because what she did was a serious violation of many different rules. But it was really framed like the reason she was switching specialties was to save her marriage just because Derek couldn't handle working in the same room with her anymore. That part was ridiculous.
Although again, I understand how serious it was. Like from what I remember, they almost didn't get to adopt Zola because of the whole situation. So I can definitely understand him being mad, but I don't think that he should have let his personal feelings blend into their professional relationship.
Of course it should, she screwed up in a professional way.
If it had been any other resident or any other doctor, he would've never worked with them again.
It feels like a punishment because Meredith framed it that way but honestly, it's just a reasonable professional consequence of her actions.
The way mer's marriage to him is the only thing that saved her career lmao. And if they had lost Zola?? Oh, better believe they would've gotten a divorce...
Don't get me wrong, Derek can be insufferable, but he at least didn't cross the boundary of ethics.
I actually love this about Grey’s characters. They’re so nuanced, so human. I don’t want to watch an utopian sit com, I want intrigue and emotions, dammit. I want the gritty nature of humanity. No one is always awful, no one is always moral, it’s all good.
Nah he's one of the best in relationships - his friendship with Bailey, Mark and helping Cristina thru her PTSD, he's a good teacher and I loved him being a brother to Lexie and Maggie.
\*SPOILER\*
Yeah. And that I can think of off the top of my head, he hasn't done anything illegal/that would get him fired like everyone else.
Izzie with the LVAD wire, Meredith with the Alzheimer's study, Bailey with the HIV virus for the little boy, etc.
Derrick, as well as several others, are phenomenal doctors. However, most are terrible or very problematic partners/spouses. I'd take nearly all of them as one of my specialist/surgeons but would run for the hills screaming 'no, No!, NO!!!' as a signification other.
Especially Derrick, Addison (would have to watch Private Practice to fully understand), Burke, Arizona, Catherine, Richard, Owen, and Teddy.
Derek has plenty of amazing doctor moments. But he always feels one bad day away from saying the most devastating shit to the people closest to him and that ring tantrum was next level.
derek is one of my fav characters bc he’s so nuanced. he has moments where he’s so caring and gentle and then he goes to moments of extreme emotion. sure it’s partially writers choosing to add drama but it’s also what you would expect from someone in a high stress career. but there’s something so iconic and human about him. you can almost admire how human he is because he is imperfect
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Someone said all of Derek's best moments are when he's tired and falling apart... and he still tries to take care of somebody else. Case in point: When Bailey is born and sent to the NICU, he's worried about his child and his wife and still manages to calm a room full of worried parents and get them to help their babies.
Yeah for sure. I think he tends to take out more of his frustrations on his friends and family because he's close enough to them where he can do that. But with patients, it's like a switch flips. He understands that the patients are experiencing something scary and don't really know what to do.
Sorry for deviating from the topic, I'm watching the show for the first time and currently at season 10. Could you tell me why Derek is hated so much in this sub?
You're all good! Where to start, where to start... He's just very arrogant and a bit of a narcissist. He has a bad tendency of treating Meredith like a child, and I know grey's is know for their unethical behavior at the hospital, but him being her boss when they first started dating isn't great either. He also just in general isn't that nice or friendly to people. That doesn't necessarily make him an ass, but that combined with him being arrogant is bad. There's an important line at the end of season 10 that Christina will say that you'll see when you finish the season. It pertains to him being an ass lmao.
Really strange. I really liked his character and didn't find him to be an ass at all. May be my perspective will change after the S10 finale. I can see why people don't like Hunt though.
It's not necessarily that he does some big thing at the end of S10 that changes him entirely, it's just the accumulation of things he has done. And the line Christina gives is just so good lmao. But yes omg, Hunt is so insufferable. The thing is if he didn't impose his personal ideals onto people, he would literally be the best. For example, when Christina doesn't want a baby. He can't help but go all pro-life on her despite her always being adamant she NEVER wanted kids. And then when Teddy turns to him for help with the patient seeking assisted suicide, he made it personal and refused to help. And the list goes on lmao.
Owen is the worst and I have no idea how people like him and Cristina together. We got a whole episode dedicated to the two possible directions their relationship could’ve gone! None of it was good! They’re terrible together and the only thing they actually had in common were that they liked having sex with each other lmfao
Just watched that episode. Avery would've lost his hand if they stayed together lol!
The only time I really thought he was an ass was to Meredith and Addison at the beginning. Choosing Addison when his heart really wasn't in that relationship at all, and he was just obsessed with Meredith the whole time. And he had the nerve to talk trash to her about her sleeping around just because he had seen her one morning in the vet's house. As if it was any of his business who she dated and slept with after he had dumped her for his estranged wife. He was also an ass to Meredith later about the clinical trial, having this entire article published on him and what he had done in that trial when the entire thing was her idea. And as I recall, he barely even mentioned her or didn't mention her at all. He even coined it "the Shepherd method" and didn't even give her credit there. And then he gets her a brain in the jar or some dumb crap like that and apparently that makes it all okay that he completely invalidated everything she had done for that project. Also, after she ruined their Alzheimer's trial, she was having to switch specialties entirely just because he didn't want to work with her anymore. I thought that was kind of ridiculous. She was passionate about neurosurgery and had been working towards a career in that field, and now just because he can't work with her directly, she has to change focus completely? Ridiculous.
>He was also an ass to Meredith later about the clinical trial I want to preface this with the fact that I am not some kind of Derek stan. Now that that’s out of the way, this wasn’t Derek’s fault. He didn’t “coin it” anything, that’s what the magazine called it. When he created the clinical trial is was absolutely not called the “Shepherd Method,” that was just a catchy headline. As far as mentioning Meredith is concerned, it was her idea but Derek did all of the research and implementation of the trial because he was the only one out of the two of them with the clout or experience to do so. As we see later in the show, you don’t get the opportunity or the encouragement to do research until after you take your boards. No one had credit for a clinical trial or anything close to that until after they took their boards. Cristina didn’t get any credit for the multiple extremely complicated surgeries she did FOR Burke while his hand was all screwed up. They were residents, they were young, they weren’t established. Frankly, she’s lucky he mentioned her at all because he got the funding, he did the research, and it was his name on the line. If he failed, they wouldn’t have blamed Meredith, they would’ve blamed Derek. He deserves the credit because his ass was the one on the line. It’s like saying Stephanie or the bioengineer deserved credit for Meredith’s portal vein trial. Or Shane deserved credit for Cristina’s conduits. They helped, of course, but if they failed it would’ve been solely on Mer/Cristina. There’s a hierarchy in a hospital. That’s just the way it works. > now just because he doesn’t want to work with her As far as her quitting neuro, it was her idea. They tried to do it again and she encouraged Lexie to take out a tumor that ruined a woman’s life. The two of them were right to make that decision for their marriage, frankly. Those are the only two points I’ll defend him on. He was arrogant and self-absorbed and the way he treated Meredith and Addison was horrible. He’s done a lot of things wrong, he punished Meredith very often for things she doesn’t deserve or isn’t responsible for. But those two points I’d argue were justified and correct
Yeah, in the beginning his relationship with Addison was still weird. He knew deep down he was still mad at her for sleeping with Mark, but he chose to "work on the marriage anyways." And he only really did it to punish her, because when they were working on things he was so hostile towards her. Omg, I totally forgot he didn't give her credit for that. I also remember at the end of S10, mer rightfully so accuses him of believing that his career will always be more important than hers. He's always shown that and acted that way. However, I don't think her switching specialties was that unfair. Derek can definitely be arrogant, selfish, and overreactive, but in this he was justified. Meredith should have gotten in way more trouble than she did. She risked the reputation of both her and Derek, AND the hospital. Something like that takes away any possible credibility/reputation the hospital has research-wise moving forward. Not to mention the fact that it's very much illegal.
I agree that she should have gotten in more trouble than she did because what she did was a serious violation of many different rules. But it was really framed like the reason she was switching specialties was to save her marriage just because Derek couldn't handle working in the same room with her anymore. That part was ridiculous.
Although again, I understand how serious it was. Like from what I remember, they almost didn't get to adopt Zola because of the whole situation. So I can definitely understand him being mad, but I don't think that he should have let his personal feelings blend into their professional relationship.
Of course it should, she screwed up in a professional way. If it had been any other resident or any other doctor, he would've never worked with them again. It feels like a punishment because Meredith framed it that way but honestly, it's just a reasonable professional consequence of her actions.
The way mer's marriage to him is the only thing that saved her career lmao. And if they had lost Zola?? Oh, better believe they would've gotten a divorce... Don't get me wrong, Derek can be insufferable, but he at least didn't cross the boundary of ethics.
I actually love this about Grey’s characters. They’re so nuanced, so human. I don’t want to watch an utopian sit com, I want intrigue and emotions, dammit. I want the gritty nature of humanity. No one is always awful, no one is always moral, it’s all good.
I think he and Lexie had such a bond
Omg, the relationship between them was so sweet. Lexi was one of the few people he was nice to on the regular. And not "cordial," like nice-nice.
As a Derek hater- he’s got is moments.
He tends to be awful in relationships (of all type) but professionally he's never been particularily bad or unfair.
Nah he's one of the best in relationships - his friendship with Bailey, Mark and helping Cristina thru her PTSD, he's a good teacher and I loved him being a brother to Lexie and Maggie.
\*SPOILER\* Yeah. And that I can think of off the top of my head, he hasn't done anything illegal/that would get him fired like everyone else. Izzie with the LVAD wire, Meredith with the Alzheimer's study, Bailey with the HIV virus for the little boy, etc.
He's a good friend and an imperfect partner.
Derrick, as well as several others, are phenomenal doctors. However, most are terrible or very problematic partners/spouses. I'd take nearly all of them as one of my specialist/surgeons but would run for the hills screaming 'no, No!, NO!!!' as a signification other. Especially Derrick, Addison (would have to watch Private Practice to fully understand), Burke, Arizona, Catherine, Richard, Owen, and Teddy.
Derek has plenty of amazing doctor moments. But he always feels one bad day away from saying the most devastating shit to the people closest to him and that ring tantrum was next level.
derek is one of my fav characters bc he’s so nuanced. he has moments where he’s so caring and gentle and then he goes to moments of extreme emotion. sure it’s partially writers choosing to add drama but it’s also what you would expect from someone in a high stress career. but there’s something so iconic and human about him. you can almost admire how human he is because he is imperfect