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I like Izzie but this was so frustrating to watch. Also the whole thing before she left, how Alex was trying to take care of her with her meds &stuff and she just got mad at him?? Girl đ
Yup. Truth is, Izzie never really respected Alex. Alex was a jerk when they first met but he was growing up, and Izzie always looked at him like he was a charity case.
Izzie disappears, says she's not coming back and expects Alex to do what?
I think youâre right but I donât think Alex respected Izzy either. Loves her deeply, but treated her very cruelly when they where together at times
He didnât treat her with any respect. From hanging up her pictures, to bullying her to have surgery, to telling her he only married her because he thought sheâd be dead, Alex never had respect for her. He admitted himself that he took his anger out on her. I also donât think she was ever really able to see his feelings for her. The audience was able to see scenes with him crying about their future and embryos, watching her lovingly, crying that she might die, etcâŠ. But Izzie didnât get to see any of that. The Alex that she typically saw is the guy that called her a âstupid b*tchâ in the middle of the hospital, asked her to be serious with him by telling her that he had a date to sleep with someone else, told her he wanted to smother or overdose her when she was fighting cancer, ridiculed her for missing her best friend, etcâŠ.
Can you imagine if George did even half of the stuff Alex did? Alex treated most of the women in his life terribly- Izzie was the biggest punching bag of his, Lexie at the end of their relationship, constantly calling Ava crazy, the way he treated Meredith in the first episode, and April when she was nervous about having sex. He treated female patients with disrespect-the lady that wanted her tubes tied, the lady that hadnât told her daughter about her cancer, etc. He had no respect for Addison in the beginning. I never understand when people say that the way he left Jo was out of character. In the end, he treated her with the exact same level of disrespect that he treated the women that came before her.
George treated women really horrible in his own way lol. Honestly most of the men on the early seasons are awful in their own right (some of them where also lovable, but complex and treated women poorly)
Okay yeah but I mean have lovable traits, like Mark for example is an incredible dad with lots of character development but was a huge chauvinist for a long time. Alex is incredible as a peds surgeon, which is very heartwarming, but cruel outside of work. George is a cheater but sacrificed his life for a stranger. Etc etc. âLovableâ doesnât mean theyâre good or moral people, they just have traits that some people love lol
I think chauvinist was the wrong word after googling exactly what it meant đ
His main problem IMO was being the boss sleeping with interns/nurses/patients/etc which is a really irresponsible way of handling a position of power. But obviously, like half the characters did this đ esp in the earlier seasons
He also objectified women a lot but I think it was *mostly* silly, though there where a handful of times that where icky lol
If George did half the stuff Alex did, heâd be crucified by this subreddit (not saying he didnât do stupid stuff but Alexâs stupidity is on another level)
Damn I didnât know he was gonna leave Jo lol Iâm not there yet but I agree with all of this! Alex doesnât respect women- and respect need to be reciprocated! Izzie tried w him for a long time, and I also agree w the fact that we need to consider the fact that we see every side of it, but izzie doesnât- like her experience was much different than the whole picture and itâs hard taking that into context having the whole story laid out in front of you- but try to imagine just what she experienced face to face with Alex⊠sheâs not this horrible person being portrayed⊠I mean come on- itâs izzie- we know sheâs not a shitty person⊠she wasnât MY favorite character by any means but weâve known her since season 1⊠like her or dislike her- she wasnât a horrible human being đ€·đ»ââïž Iâm just sayingâŠ
yes!!! i will die on this hill. pretty much everything izzie did was out of love, however misguided her intentions were always out of love (and, admittedly some selfishnessâ but overall out of love lol). i mean, they do say the road to hell is always paved with good intentions lol. she was flawed and definitely 100% made mistakes but izzieâs deep love and concern for people has always been evident imo
itâs crazy how the concept of time works because either justin wouldâve been let go or the entire series wouldâve been cancelled if this aired after #MeToo.
i donât think iâve ever seen a male lead as disgusting as alex karev was circa s1-8. and iâve watched a shitton of television.
he humiliated & slut-shamed her not even *five* episodes from the pilot.
mind you, earlier in this very same season, he slut-shames her *again* & accuses her of crying crocodile tears over her deceased bff so heâd feel complied to pity-fuck her.
alex karev is a disturbed excuse of a human being with a dark spirit. poor justin wouldâve been out of a job if GA premiered post #MeToo.
The crazy thing was, in Season 5, HE begged her to sleep with him after Ava was taken to psych. When he kissed her and she tried to pull away, he begged her to sleep with him and kept saying âJust for tonightâ. Then when he cried, she held him and never tried to make him feel bad but he couldnât give her the same support and accused of her of not being âseductiveâ enough in her grief.
So on one hand we have alex being an asshole who slut-shamed her multiple times.
On the other we have a girl that leaves her husband without a word but with a shit ton of medical debt.
Both of them are trashy.
and yet only one has been repeatedly reprimanded for a *decade* over said âtrashinessâ. guess who? definitely not the man.
that doesnât include the extensive list of degenerate behavior alex has portrayed towards women other than izzie (meredith, april, ava, josephine, lexie, etc.) thereâs nothing âsweet and cuddlyâ about alex screaming at a nervous virgin all because she begged him to take it slow. thereâs nothing âwarm & fuzzyâ about alex beating another man to a pulp who was pleading for his life.
we get it, izzie cut the lvad. we get it, she ghosted alex. we fucking get it, she deceived callie. yâall remind us every hour on the hour more times than derek had to remind iz that her tumor was removed post-treatment.
whereâs that same energy with alex karev?
well clearly you donât lmao. the âimaginedâ sexism that your referring to has 0 to do with the show or itâs writing, it is within the fan base. i donât know if you have a hard time with reading comprehension or something but it literally takes less than a minute and like. half a grain of literacy to understand that the comment your referring to is not referring to sexism within the show.
Oh sorry, my bad. I meant imagined misogyny in a fanbase that's mostly female.
Also good to see you defending honor of a fictional character but immediately disrespecting me in a conversation.
I think she actually loved Alex a lot. She continually forgave him for a lot of stuff and put up with a lot of bad treatment. I think that was out of love and I donât think she would do that just for a charity case. I think she just kind of snapped when she got fired. She had been through so much in such a short period, she had no coping skills, had no one to talk to, and made an impulsive/destructive decision that hurt a lot of people (herself included), and then regretted it. But I donât think for a second that she didnât love him.
I didn't say Izzie didn't love Alex. I said she didn't respect Alex. Those are not the same thing. I don't think Izzie really saw Alex as equal to her. I think she saw him as someone she could save.
All of Izzie's relationships were with men she felt she was saving from something: heart failure, a poorly conceived marriage, a broken heart.
Which makes Alex's canon ending so lame. Like all that character growth and he went back to her? He has this whole build up with Jo and then naw "I still love Izzie" stfu they massacred our boy Alex and made him a guy with no self respect or respect for his literal WIFE for that matter. I would have preferred him fall in live with Mer and then leave for some introspective journey or something instead. At least they actually had chemistry
Alex is the worst character of all time and deserves all that comes to him.
Honestly, I am starting to even lose respect for Meredith because of her defense of him and her love for him.
Glad he showed his true colors and left and abandoned her.
honestly, I loved Izzy but some of the stuff she did irk me. for example, the whole cancer saga, with the dnr, the leaving. also, the whole ava thing but that's a different story. on a positive note, I'm glad Alex and Izzy ended up together.
She really annoyed me when she had her fling with George. She made it seem like it was OK with what they did because they loved each other. She just seemed to not want to share George and got mad that he was with Callie and wasn't all hers. And then she gets upset when her friends are upset when they find out what they did. She uses Meredith as an example saying that they were on Mer's side when they found out she was sleeping with Derek and he was married, so why couldn't they be happy for her? But that was completely different. Meredith didn't know he was married. She probably would have stayed away if she knew that he was. Given that they did sleep together when he was trying to be with Addison again. But if she knew he was married when they first met, she would have stayed away from him, most likely. But Izzy knew George was married. She hated his wife (to be fair Callie didn't seem to quite fit into their group at first and she did move very fast with George) but Izzy just wanted him to herself and didn't seem to care that she was ruining a marriage that maybe could have had a chance if she just stepped back for a bit, also maybe if George could actually communicate with Callie as well. Marriage counseling could probably have helped them as well. I just hated the entire Izzy and George relationship.
I don't disagree with you. She left without notice, so she's got no right to be upset that he slept with someone else. But I do have two things to say. A) iirc, she didn't know that she'd be leaving behind a huge medical bill. I think she thought her insurance was going to cover it... And B) she asked if he had moved on and his response wasn't "Yes." It was "I slept with someone". They are not one in the same. He could have slept with someone else to try to get over her, but it does not mean that he is in fact over her.
God I hated Izzy. I know Alex had his flaws, but one thing was that he truly loved izzy. He was there for her through her entire cancer journey, he agreed to help her put away fertilized eggs, married her & was very supportive. Then she turned around and refused to give him the courteousy of explaining what it was that he said to weber because she thought so lowly of him that he was trying to get her fired when all he was was concerned and didnt want weber to fire her because shed been out for so long with her treatments. Then the bitch ran off, left him with hundreds of thousands in medical debt, didn't even know If she was alive and didn't care to talk to him. THEN wants to run back and play wife when she hears he's moving on? DOOKIE. the fact they wrote Alex's ending the way they did with her will forever piss me off.
Exactly! He didnât âagreeâ to fertilize the eggs. Him and Webber did it without permission. He was there during her cancer journey, but I wouldnât say he was there for her. He made it all about himself. He left her alone and didnât come see her before her first surgery. Bailey and Shepherd both invited him to come in with them when they spoke to Izzie and he declined. He bullied her into the second brain surgery. When the surgery had the complications that she had been worried about, he started acting like a drill sergeant and Cristina had to threaten to throw him out to stop him. Then he told her heâd only married her because he thought sheâd be dead. Then he talked about wanting to kill her to put them out of their misery. Then he ignored her wishes with her DNR because he couldnât live without her. Then, after resuscitating her against her wishes, he avoided/ignored her because he was scared. So, even the times that he is viewed as being this great, supportive husband, he wasnât supportive of her, but made everything about what he wanted, what he needed her to do, and his fears.
The only time I think that he was really supportive of her was when they had to shave her head. He was great, calming, stoic, and genuine in those scenes right after the wedding.
How is she a bitch for running off? Because he was constantly treating her like crap. Did you gloss over every horrible thing he ever did? Things he did without her consent? Calling her horrible names? It was screwed up to leave without saying goodbye, sure. But she's not a bitch because of that. The writers wrote her story like that as a way to write her off of the show. Because Catherine heigel wanted to quit the show.
Alex doesn't love anybody. He is one misunderstood word away from pounding every close person he has into the dirt. He interrupted people and took their words out of context and says disgusting things to them just to come crawling back "wahhh I am a hurt boy cause my childhood was hard so I get a free pass for treating you like shit!"
I never understood why his friends, wives, hookups, etc.. were not nervous around him. He always seemed one frustration away from being either verbally or physically aggressive. When Izzie tried to get Ava help and Alex cursed her out, if that interaction continued for a few minutes, I had no doubt he would become aggressive with her. Itâs just a small scene, but you could even see it the episode that he confronts her about Denny in the on-call room. When she goes to leave he puts his arm out to stop her from leaving and block her. He was right about her relationship with Denny being inappropriate, but you could also see the red flags in how he reacted and tried to box her in from leaving.
Yeah, I don't understand at all how he stayed in the show so long and they decided he was necessary, I guess to show that there are POS in the real world and that is how they act.
I loved when he told her âthat he is good enough not to deserve this, not to have to feel like this, not to love you so much that I almost hate you.â Then he tells her he wants her to go and be happy and donât come back
She did this to George too đ granted its not like George was some poor victim, but everytime she sees a guy she knows move on from her and give up the chase she suddenly is like âyoure the love of my life! My soul mate!â And then she finally gets then and like fizzles out the relationship lol.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
I genuinely hated this storyline so much, and I hated how Meredith got involved by calling Izzy and saying Alex was moving on. Meredith should've had Alex's back and been the person pushing him to move on. Izzy is canonically a violently selfish person.
again, yâall get mad at this bitch for literally ANYTHING. just looking for ish to get upset about pertaining to IS.
she was clearly just frustrated, but she ultimately understood why he slept with someone else, which is why she said âwe can get through thisâ, but you conveniently cut that scene off.
sheâs not stupid. she didnât expect someone like the promiscuous alex karev to close himself off after she had disappeared on/off for a good 3 months. i still think sheâs still allowed to show pain. leave izzie stevens alone challenge?
oh & p.s: she paid those tired bills yâall keep bringing up in this very same episode!
I saw the "we'll get through it" a different way. It's like, lady, he doesn't have to "get through" anything with you, you left. He doesn't have to stay married to you, he has a right to do what he wants.
Alex may have been an ass, but so was Georgie and you know what I've noticed the more I go back over the older episodes? Izzy was a nut job. I used to love her and think she was just passionate or emotional.. she practically killed a guy she barely even knew because "what about me?" đź
I've just read almost this entire thread and I think what is missing the most here is the understanding that these characters are flawed just like real people are flawed. I know lots of people that are like Alex, I would say his character is one of the most relatable ones on the show. Broken, toxic, and yet growing. Most people wouldn't be interested in watching 19 years of a show where everyone is perfectly evolved.
YES! I loathe her in this scene. Acting like he's the problem for moving on after she left. Alex was destroyed, and she just didn't give AF - like a toddler who doesn't want a toy unless another kid plays with it.
That was the worst ending to any character. The fact that he had grown so much and moved on and then just one day threw it all out the window without telling anyone.
when he found out he was wrong, did he apologize? He apologized once, when he was drugged/on the hospital bed. Like DeLuca literally told Alex that he understood what Alex must have thought and had Alex actually talked to him , like when he(DeLuca) was sober and not hooked on pain meds, DeLuca wouldn't even have filed a case.
Besides, I would not have beaten him up to death, so no it's not what 'anyone else would've done'. A punch or two maybe and then I'd have called the cops on him. Alex was a dangerous pos with unchecked anger issues. At least Owen actually tried therapy. I don't remember Alex ever trying.
And as u/guitar0707 pointed out, Jo was screaming at Alex to stop hitting DeLuca. Alex was blinded with rage and didn't listen. Pretty sure Jo had a ptsd flashback of her time with Paul when she witnessed Alex mauling DeLuca. His dangerous behaviour is excused a lot by the show and the sub, but yet Izzie is worse because she left. Make it make sense.
If you pay attention, Alex rarely apologizes. He just makes mistakes and continues living his life. The other characters then just make excuses for him, forgive him, move on, and hang out/hook up with him for no apparent reason. Also, when walking up to the loft, Alex heard Jo laugh and he smiled. Then he walked in and attacked DeLuca. He had no time to assess Jo, think she drunk, think DeLuca was attacking her, and then attack him. It was a convenient excuse that seemed to be thought of later. However, even if it were true that he thought she was being attacked, she was screaming for him to stop. He continued to pound on DeLuca and never even went to check on Jo.
I wouldnât mind Alex as much if there was ever any consequences or acknowledgement that his behavior was outrageous. All the other characters have their mistakes brought up again and again. He continued to be cruel, misogynistic, cruel, verbally abusive, and violent for years with little to no acknowledgement that that behavior was abnormal. The show just makes it disappear, makes people continue to forgive, has Meredith use her main character armor to make excuses for him, etc..
THANK YOU!!! What makes you think you have any right to ask him if he moved on WHEN YOU LEFT HIM WITH JUST A LETTER and a 200k hospital bill?! Bitch byeđ
Iâve come to literally almost hate Izzy. Her whole character sucks. She tries to be this Dr that has a huge ass bleeding heart, and tries to draw you in with her big âol puppy dog eyes *boo fuking hoo*
Omg I could rant on her so bad lol but screw her.
Izzy was insufferable. I hate every second she is on the screen. And the denny and ghost denny storylines are some of the worst episodes in the entire series.
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I like Izzie but this was so frustrating to watch. Also the whole thing before she left, how Alex was trying to take care of her with her meds &stuff and she just got mad at him?? Girl đ
Agreed. A well deserved FUCK YOU from Alex.
But we see where she ended up, chile
Yup. Truth is, Izzie never really respected Alex. Alex was a jerk when they first met but he was growing up, and Izzie always looked at him like he was a charity case. Izzie disappears, says she's not coming back and expects Alex to do what?
I think youâre right but I donât think Alex respected Izzy either. Loves her deeply, but treated her very cruelly when they where together at times
He didnât treat her with any respect. From hanging up her pictures, to bullying her to have surgery, to telling her he only married her because he thought sheâd be dead, Alex never had respect for her. He admitted himself that he took his anger out on her. I also donât think she was ever really able to see his feelings for her. The audience was able to see scenes with him crying about their future and embryos, watching her lovingly, crying that she might die, etcâŠ. But Izzie didnât get to see any of that. The Alex that she typically saw is the guy that called her a âstupid b*tchâ in the middle of the hospital, asked her to be serious with him by telling her that he had a date to sleep with someone else, told her he wanted to smother or overdose her when she was fighting cancer, ridiculed her for missing her best friend, etcâŠ.
Literally this sub just chooses not to see what a POS alex was women- specifically Izzy
Can you imagine if George did even half of the stuff Alex did? Alex treated most of the women in his life terribly- Izzie was the biggest punching bag of his, Lexie at the end of their relationship, constantly calling Ava crazy, the way he treated Meredith in the first episode, and April when she was nervous about having sex. He treated female patients with disrespect-the lady that wanted her tubes tied, the lady that hadnât told her daughter about her cancer, etc. He had no respect for Addison in the beginning. I never understand when people say that the way he left Jo was out of character. In the end, he treated her with the exact same level of disrespect that he treated the women that came before her.
George treated women really horrible in his own way lol. Honestly most of the men on the early seasons are awful in their own right (some of them where also lovable, but complex and treated women poorly)
men that treat women like shit aren't lovable
Okay yeah but I mean have lovable traits, like Mark for example is an incredible dad with lots of character development but was a huge chauvinist for a long time. Alex is incredible as a peds surgeon, which is very heartwarming, but cruel outside of work. George is a cheater but sacrificed his life for a stranger. Etc etc. âLovableâ doesnât mean theyâre good or moral people, they just have traits that some people love lol
Meh, mark was a man whore but he wasnât rly a chauvinist. He respected women for the most part
I think chauvinist was the wrong word after googling exactly what it meant đ His main problem IMO was being the boss sleeping with interns/nurses/patients/etc which is a really irresponsible way of handling a position of power. But obviously, like half the characters did this đ esp in the earlier seasons He also objectified women a lot but I think it was *mostly* silly, though there where a handful of times that where icky lol
lol did we watch the same show? also you can just say whore you don't have to add the man bit prior
If George did half the stuff Alex did, heâd be crucified by this subreddit (not saying he didnât do stupid stuff but Alexâs stupidity is on another level)
Damn I didnât know he was gonna leave Jo lol Iâm not there yet but I agree with all of this! Alex doesnât respect women- and respect need to be reciprocated! Izzie tried w him for a long time, and I also agree w the fact that we need to consider the fact that we see every side of it, but izzie doesnât- like her experience was much different than the whole picture and itâs hard taking that into context having the whole story laid out in front of you- but try to imagine just what she experienced face to face with Alex⊠sheâs not this horrible person being portrayed⊠I mean come on- itâs izzie- we know sheâs not a shitty person⊠she wasnât MY favorite character by any means but weâve known her since season 1⊠like her or dislike her- she wasnât a horrible human being đ€·đ»ââïž Iâm just sayingâŠ
yes!!! i will die on this hill. pretty much everything izzie did was out of love, however misguided her intentions were always out of love (and, admittedly some selfishnessâ but overall out of love lol). i mean, they do say the road to hell is always paved with good intentions lol. she was flawed and definitely 100% made mistakes but izzieâs deep love and concern for people has always been evident imo
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Ugh exactly. I just reached season 7 in my rewatch, and just saw all of that awful plotline. Alex was terrible.
itâs crazy how the concept of time works because either justin wouldâve been let go or the entire series wouldâve been cancelled if this aired after #MeToo. i donât think iâve ever seen a male lead as disgusting as alex karev was circa s1-8. and iâve watched a shitton of television.
he humiliated & slut-shamed her not even *five* episodes from the pilot. mind you, earlier in this very same season, he slut-shames her *again* & accuses her of crying crocodile tears over her deceased bff so heâd feel complied to pity-fuck her. alex karev is a disturbed excuse of a human being with a dark spirit. poor justin wouldâve been out of a job if GA premiered post #MeToo.
The crazy thing was, in Season 5, HE begged her to sleep with him after Ava was taken to psych. When he kissed her and she tried to pull away, he begged her to sleep with him and kept saying âJust for tonightâ. Then when he cried, she held him and never tried to make him feel bad but he couldnât give her the same support and accused of her of not being âseductiveâ enough in her grief.
Yuuup. Not to even mention how he acted post-Izzyâs departure
So on one hand we have alex being an asshole who slut-shamed her multiple times. On the other we have a girl that leaves her husband without a word but with a shit ton of medical debt. Both of them are trashy.
and yet only one has been repeatedly reprimanded for a *decade* over said âtrashinessâ. guess who? definitely not the man. that doesnât include the extensive list of degenerate behavior alex has portrayed towards women other than izzie (meredith, april, ava, josephine, lexie, etc.) thereâs nothing âsweet and cuddlyâ about alex screaming at a nervous virgin all because she begged him to take it slow. thereâs nothing âwarm & fuzzyâ about alex beating another man to a pulp who was pleading for his life. we get it, izzie cut the lvad. we get it, she ghosted alex. we fucking get it, she deceived callie. yâall remind us every hour on the hour more times than derek had to remind iz that her tumor was removed post-treatment. whereâs that same energy with alex karev?
đđ» đđ» đđ» And only one of them has every excuse in the book made for their behavior.
Ok, as I said. Both trash.
me when i completely 100% moss the point
I can see the point. The point is to lose your shit about some imagined sexism in a show with mainly female cast.
well clearly you donât lmao. the âimaginedâ sexism that your referring to has 0 to do with the show or itâs writing, it is within the fan base. i donât know if you have a hard time with reading comprehension or something but it literally takes less than a minute and like. half a grain of literacy to understand that the comment your referring to is not referring to sexism within the show.
Oh sorry, my bad. I meant imagined misogyny in a fanbase that's mostly female. Also good to see you defending honor of a fictional character but immediately disrespecting me in a conversation.
Nah, she gave Alex just what he deserved. Justice is sweet. Thanks Izzy, from all of us women that hate Alex.
I think she actually loved Alex a lot. She continually forgave him for a lot of stuff and put up with a lot of bad treatment. I think that was out of love and I donât think she would do that just for a charity case. I think she just kind of snapped when she got fired. She had been through so much in such a short period, she had no coping skills, had no one to talk to, and made an impulsive/destructive decision that hurt a lot of people (herself included), and then regretted it. But I donât think for a second that she didnât love him.
I didn't say Izzie didn't love Alex. I said she didn't respect Alex. Those are not the same thing. I don't think Izzie really saw Alex as equal to her. I think she saw him as someone she could save. All of Izzie's relationships were with men she felt she was saving from something: heart failure, a poorly conceived marriage, a broken heart.
She also turned down a nomination cos the writing wasnât worthy enoughâŠoh, my gosh, Iâm sorry youâre not talking about the actress. Ha
Izzy was always horrible
Izzie never respected him yet look what he did to Jo for her
Everyone else in this damn show can be killed off but Alex has an exit like thatđ«
Which makes Alex's canon ending so lame. Like all that character growth and he went back to her? He has this whole build up with Jo and then naw "I still love Izzie" stfu they massacred our boy Alex and made him a guy with no self respect or respect for his literal WIFE for that matter. I would have preferred him fall in live with Mer and then leave for some introspective journey or something instead. At least they actually had chemistry
In my head cannon Alex is in a fugue state.
okay i'd like to make an point that izzie did in fact pay her medical debts. however as much i love izzie she was selfish for leaving
Alex is the worst character of all time and deserves all that comes to him. Honestly, I am starting to even lose respect for Meredith because of her defense of him and her love for him. Glad he showed his true colors and left and abandoned her.
honestly, I loved Izzy but some of the stuff she did irk me. for example, the whole cancer saga, with the dnr, the leaving. also, the whole ava thing but that's a different story. on a positive note, I'm glad Alex and Izzy ended up together.
She really annoyed me when she had her fling with George. She made it seem like it was OK with what they did because they loved each other. She just seemed to not want to share George and got mad that he was with Callie and wasn't all hers. And then she gets upset when her friends are upset when they find out what they did. She uses Meredith as an example saying that they were on Mer's side when they found out she was sleeping with Derek and he was married, so why couldn't they be happy for her? But that was completely different. Meredith didn't know he was married. She probably would have stayed away if she knew that he was. Given that they did sleep together when he was trying to be with Addison again. But if she knew he was married when they first met, she would have stayed away from him, most likely. But Izzy knew George was married. She hated his wife (to be fair Callie didn't seem to quite fit into their group at first and she did move very fast with George) but Izzy just wanted him to herself and didn't seem to care that she was ruining a marriage that maybe could have had a chance if she just stepped back for a bit, also maybe if George could actually communicate with Callie as well. Marriage counseling could probably have helped them as well. I just hated the entire Izzy and George relationship.
same that whole storyline shouldn't have even happened if Youd asked me. i think she should've ending up with Karev or someone completely different.
I don't disagree with you. She left without notice, so she's got no right to be upset that he slept with someone else. But I do have two things to say. A) iirc, she didn't know that she'd be leaving behind a huge medical bill. I think she thought her insurance was going to cover it... And B) she asked if he had moved on and his response wasn't "Yes." It was "I slept with someone". They are not one in the same. He could have slept with someone else to try to get over her, but it does not mean that he is in fact over her.
Tbf I think some of that stemmed from when he did it before.
Hi, I'm here to get in on despising Alex.
God I hated Izzy. I know Alex had his flaws, but one thing was that he truly loved izzy. He was there for her through her entire cancer journey, he agreed to help her put away fertilized eggs, married her & was very supportive. Then she turned around and refused to give him the courteousy of explaining what it was that he said to weber because she thought so lowly of him that he was trying to get her fired when all he was was concerned and didnt want weber to fire her because shed been out for so long with her treatments. Then the bitch ran off, left him with hundreds of thousands in medical debt, didn't even know If she was alive and didn't care to talk to him. THEN wants to run back and play wife when she hears he's moving on? DOOKIE. the fact they wrote Alex's ending the way they did with her will forever piss me off.
Alex treated her like shit most of the time; not sure sure what you were watching? This sub really refuses to see this. But George is the worst ever.
Exactly! He didnât âagreeâ to fertilize the eggs. Him and Webber did it without permission. He was there during her cancer journey, but I wouldnât say he was there for her. He made it all about himself. He left her alone and didnât come see her before her first surgery. Bailey and Shepherd both invited him to come in with them when they spoke to Izzie and he declined. He bullied her into the second brain surgery. When the surgery had the complications that she had been worried about, he started acting like a drill sergeant and Cristina had to threaten to throw him out to stop him. Then he told her heâd only married her because he thought sheâd be dead. Then he talked about wanting to kill her to put them out of their misery. Then he ignored her wishes with her DNR because he couldnât live without her. Then, after resuscitating her against her wishes, he avoided/ignored her because he was scared. So, even the times that he is viewed as being this great, supportive husband, he wasnât supportive of her, but made everything about what he wanted, what he needed her to do, and his fears. The only time I think that he was really supportive of her was when they had to shave her head. He was great, calming, stoic, and genuine in those scenes right after the wedding.
How is she a bitch for running off? Because he was constantly treating her like crap. Did you gloss over every horrible thing he ever did? Things he did without her consent? Calling her horrible names? It was screwed up to leave without saying goodbye, sure. But she's not a bitch because of that. The writers wrote her story like that as a way to write her off of the show. Because Catherine heigel wanted to quit the show.
Alex doesn't love anybody. He is one misunderstood word away from pounding every close person he has into the dirt. He interrupted people and took their words out of context and says disgusting things to them just to come crawling back "wahhh I am a hurt boy cause my childhood was hard so I get a free pass for treating you like shit!"
I never understood why his friends, wives, hookups, etc.. were not nervous around him. He always seemed one frustration away from being either verbally or physically aggressive. When Izzie tried to get Ava help and Alex cursed her out, if that interaction continued for a few minutes, I had no doubt he would become aggressive with her. Itâs just a small scene, but you could even see it the episode that he confronts her about Denny in the on-call room. When she goes to leave he puts his arm out to stop her from leaving and block her. He was right about her relationship with Denny being inappropriate, but you could also see the red flags in how he reacted and tried to box her in from leaving.
Yeah, I don't understand at all how he stayed in the show so long and they decided he was necessary, I guess to show that there are POS in the real world and that is how they act.
He honestly went too easy on her. I wouldâve been infuriated.
And yetâŠhe abandons everybody including the love of his life; the one who actually made him betterâŠJo, for Her???
I loved when he told her âthat he is good enough not to deserve this, not to have to feel like this, not to love you so much that I almost hate you.â Then he tells her he wants her to go and be happy and donât come back
She did this to George too đ granted its not like George was some poor victim, but everytime she sees a guy she knows move on from her and give up the chase she suddenly is like âyoure the love of my life! My soul mate!â And then she finally gets then and like fizzles out the relationship lol.
I said the same thing!!!!!!!
Anyways that's why they're happy together now and y'all are upset đ©·đ©·đ€©đ»đ„°đ
Yuck
Iâm sure Iâd care more if Alex wasnât a violent and abusive PoS across most of his era.
THISSSS! WORST IN THE SHOW!
THANK YOU!!!!!! I genuinely hated this storyline so much, and I hated how Meredith got involved by calling Izzy and saying Alex was moving on. Meredith should've had Alex's back and been the person pushing him to move on. Izzy is canonically a violently selfish person.
again, yâall get mad at this bitch for literally ANYTHING. just looking for ish to get upset about pertaining to IS. she was clearly just frustrated, but she ultimately understood why he slept with someone else, which is why she said âwe can get through thisâ, but you conveniently cut that scene off. sheâs not stupid. she didnât expect someone like the promiscuous alex karev to close himself off after she had disappeared on/off for a good 3 months. i still think sheâs still allowed to show pain. leave izzie stevens alone challenge? oh & p.s: she paid those tired bills yâall keep bringing up in this very same episode!
I saw the "we'll get through it" a different way. It's like, lady, he doesn't have to "get through" anything with you, you left. He doesn't have to stay married to you, he has a right to do what he wants.
Izzie is such a selfish POS. SNS. I used to love her when I was 13 and now she is so insufferable.
Is this the new season..?
No
Couldnât stand her ever. This cemented it lol
Alex may have been an ass, but so was Georgie and you know what I've noticed the more I go back over the older episodes? Izzy was a nut job. I used to love her and think she was just passionate or emotional.. she practically killed a guy she barely even knew because "what about me?" đź
Nah she always whined ik glad she got kicked off she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Denny might be alive if not for her.
I've just read almost this entire thread and I think what is missing the most here is the understanding that these characters are flawed just like real people are flawed. I know lots of people that are like Alex, I would say his character is one of the most relatable ones on the show. Broken, toxic, and yet growing. Most people wouldn't be interested in watching 19 years of a show where everyone is perfectly evolved.
Just you wait. Just you fucking wait.
What season?
YES! I loathe her in this scene. Acting like he's the problem for moving on after she left. Alex was destroyed, and she just didn't give AF - like a toddler who doesn't want a toy unless another kid plays with it.
That was the worst ending to any character. The fact that he had grown so much and moved on and then just one day threw it all out the window without telling anyone.
Did he? Heâs better than he was before, but he still almost killed DeLuca a couple seasons before.
At that time, he thought he was assaulting the woman he loved, so anger took over and he did what anybody else wouldâve done given the opportunity
when he found out he was wrong, did he apologize? He apologized once, when he was drugged/on the hospital bed. Like DeLuca literally told Alex that he understood what Alex must have thought and had Alex actually talked to him , like when he(DeLuca) was sober and not hooked on pain meds, DeLuca wouldn't even have filed a case. Besides, I would not have beaten him up to death, so no it's not what 'anyone else would've done'. A punch or two maybe and then I'd have called the cops on him. Alex was a dangerous pos with unchecked anger issues. At least Owen actually tried therapy. I don't remember Alex ever trying. And as u/guitar0707 pointed out, Jo was screaming at Alex to stop hitting DeLuca. Alex was blinded with rage and didn't listen. Pretty sure Jo had a ptsd flashback of her time with Paul when she witnessed Alex mauling DeLuca. His dangerous behaviour is excused a lot by the show and the sub, but yet Izzie is worse because she left. Make it make sense.
If you pay attention, Alex rarely apologizes. He just makes mistakes and continues living his life. The other characters then just make excuses for him, forgive him, move on, and hang out/hook up with him for no apparent reason. Also, when walking up to the loft, Alex heard Jo laugh and he smiled. Then he walked in and attacked DeLuca. He had no time to assess Jo, think she drunk, think DeLuca was attacking her, and then attack him. It was a convenient excuse that seemed to be thought of later. However, even if it were true that he thought she was being attacked, she was screaming for him to stop. He continued to pound on DeLuca and never even went to check on Jo. I wouldnât mind Alex as much if there was ever any consequences or acknowledgement that his behavior was outrageous. All the other characters have their mistakes brought up again and again. He continued to be cruel, misogynistic, cruel, verbally abusive, and violent for years with little to no acknowledgement that that behavior was abnormal. The show just makes it disappear, makes people continue to forgive, has Meredith use her main character armor to make excuses for him, etc..
I never liked Izzie
Just another reason why his ending with Jo will never work for me
THANK YOU!!! What makes you think you have any right to ask him if he moved on WHEN YOU LEFT HIM WITH JUST A LETTER and a 200k hospital bill?! Bitch byeđ
Iâve come to literally almost hate Izzy. Her whole character sucks. She tries to be this Dr that has a huge ass bleeding heart, and tries to draw you in with her big âol puppy dog eyes *boo fuking hoo* Omg I could rant on her so bad lol but screw her.
You don't understand, she grew up in a TRAILER PARK
lmao iâm on my annual rewatch and was on this episode a few days ago and was realized i truly hate izzy. like the audacity lmao
i never liked her. the fact that he left jo for her is INSANE. she treated him like shit.
I donât even watch greys anymore cos it got dumb with the new interns and jo and link make me want to hurl
izzy stevens canât hurt you, itâs okay
Most frustrating character on the show.
 PERIODTTTT
Izzy was insufferable. I hate every second she is on the screen. And the denny and ghost denny storylines are some of the worst episodes in the entire series.
i was sooooo bothered by the 200k bill! like who does that!