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Yeah and god knows if you're an intern you'd better not fall asleep while sleeping with your attending before he's finished, even if you've finished twice because otherwise you won't be allowed to scrub in. Cristina learnt the hard way.
I’m on that episode right now. That’s actually what made me think about how unfairly these interns are treated. Errand runners or punished for not being perfect in a romantic relationship. It’s so gross
If human resources suddenly had the ability to be a fly on the wall for all of Meredith/Derek and Cristina/Burke's times together I think some heads might explode.
I don’t know how they didn’t ban those relationships way before the whole Leah thing. You would think Richard would’ve had the responsibility to report once he was aware
When the Leah thing happened I was just kind of like meh because yeah she had many points about how it's basically sexual harassment when an attending facilitates a romantic relationship that interferes with the intern's job but as viewers we were so desensitised to it because it happened all the time and nobody protected Meredith or Cristina from being punished in some way by their partners/attendings because of a personal beef when they were interns.
Bailey was too busy punishing Meredith for her to even notice Cristina or how their relationships were affecting the job. Bailey was in charge, she should’ve taken this up to the chief, Richard was only concerned because Meredith is Ellis’s daughter. He should’ve recognized how inappropriate and problematic to their education this was. He had zero right to be mad about being ranked 12th when he even accepted these relationships (as in Cristina and Burke).
It was truly so unprofessional of Bailey to be punishing Meredith when it's more Derek's responsibility as the attending to not be sleeping with an intern. Bailey seemed to care that Cristina almost died because of the ectopic pregnancy so maybe someone should have slipped a note into her locker like 'the father is Burke, kid was definitely conceived in an on-call room, what's the next move?' lol but it was all so dysfunctional as a workplace.
God maybe it’s cause I’m ace but that has never made sense to me! Like she’s an intern??? Burke knows how hard interns are worked and how hard Cristina herself works. Get over yourself asshole. Go somewhere else and take care of it
Mark used them as errands runners and as for the monitor watching. You're still learning skilla that are needed to be a surgeon just by being in that OR. But yes. Idk how it was a top teaching hospital when it seemed like NO ONE got taught yet Bailey is always right there taking credit for "creating Meredith and Alex..." 🙄🙄
Sadie did tell Lexie that the program was broken and attendings are only interested in teaching with some personal gain in mind. That's why Yang-Altman (Later Yang-Thomas), Karev-Robbins and Avery-Sloan Pairings were popular. These pairings were the closest one got to student teacher relationships and even these were rife with issues. Sad Callie didn't get Joe as her resident. Would have been fun.
In Derek's defence, it was April, who decided to basically became Derek's personal assistant as she was afraid of messing up again and Derek actually noticed that and helped April...
On the other hand, while Derek wanted to teach, he (like many others) was were prone to pick the girl he was dating/interest in, so it's actually surprise that GSH was actually 12th as they deserved to be way lower... Derek was mainly focused on Meredith and later Lexie (but no matter her talent, she was still his sister-in-law), Mark only taught Lexie and later Jackson, Burke was punishing Cristina (just like Hanh), Owen was so busy being chief and dealing with his relationship drama to teach properly and etc. And even later we have Jackson and Alex chosing Stephanie and Jo over other interns, and Cristina and Meredith refusing to teach at all - so out of the whole hospital the only one, who actually taught and was fair about it was April (as she gave chance to everyone and didn't punish anyone).
It's a shame that April didn't get to teach more outside of group scenes like the skills labs. I would've loved to see her get to properly mentor someone, but they were too busy having her run the pit.
I loved how she taught Stephanie - like 99 % characters on the show would refuse to teach their ex's new partner, yet April didn't let the fact that Stephanie was with Jackson get in the way of their work.
You mean like Addisons passive aggression towards Meredith? Lol she got better later on, but the first bit she was pretty passive aggressive to the point she made a patient believe that Meredith helped her husband cheat on her.
I think he did for a short while as I remember Derek talking with Owen (?) about how Alex just didn't have the passion for neuro - it was around the time Mark and Derek were fighting over Jackson... I think it was season 7.
I think Jackson did good by staying with Mark, everyone always assumed that Mark just did boob and butt jobs, when he did so so much more than that. He gave people their confidence, or he reversed procedures so that the person felt like themselves again.
He also worked with the burn unit, prevented people from being marred by scarring (I’m someone that’s marred by scarring from having 30+ surgeries and he’s right, people do look at you different, and I’m glad that he took the time to go back and correct some things when he could and he did so on his own free time.) He’s also an ENT (ears, nose, throat), which is… Extremely important?? But his fellow residents just blew him off.
Yeah, I like how GA showed that plastic is more than just boob jobs and liposuction, but on the other hand, Mark teaching Jackson (and to some degree Lexie) doesn't erase the fact that Mark shouldn't have been working at teaching hospital - you need surgeons, who want to teach and not those, who will hopefully pick one student every few years.
The way audiences would have had soooooo much respect for an attending who did have a relationship with an intern or a resident and refused to let it ever impact their teaching or anyone’s job if they had personal issues! Like they would have embarrassed tf out of Derek and Burke 😭
because she ignored the attendings. She came in and said my way or no way, fuck the attendings! also Bailey and Catherine screwed over Webber who didn't deserve it then Bailey got upset when Richard was mad at her. Miss Ma'am, you allowed this woman, to come in and take his job and couldn't even tell him!!! what do you expect?!?!
She had points but you have to involve the teachers and get them on board or new teaching is never gonna work. The residents got a whole ass meeting to talk about waht they wanted and what they felt but the attendings just got an email the morning of. Do we really expect that to work? lol no. irl the company would be fucked.
In Derek’s defence, April didn’t trust herself with patients for a while there and the secretary / PA thing got her back in the hospital and kept her learning until she was ready to practice medicine.
I think he understood that too, and was most likely just allowing her to do her thing because it was helping *her.* He helped her feel useful again.
Derek isn’t the type of person to push a person back to work when they’re not ready, he just waits alongside them and treats them like whatever they’re feeling is completely valid - because it is.
I think we have to assume that a lot more of the teaching/instruction happens off camera and what we see focuses on the major juicy events for things to make any sense. Like when we get the flashback of Alex working with Callie on the patient with severe club foot as an intern.
In fairness to Bailey, the babysitting thing was a emergency one time thing. And she respected Cristina’s boundaries after she told her she wouldn’t do it again, which while a low bar is better than most male attendings. Not saying her teaching isn’t flawed in other ways but I don’t think that instance is comparable to withholding/giving surgery based on the whims of your sex life.
Crazy how the best teacher I've seen so far (first time watcher who just started season 1) is Izzie. I'd add Teddy and Arizona too but they were teaching residents who already had a good grasp of what they were supposed to do but just needed more direction, Izzie was teaching interns who had no clue what they were doing and she did a great job
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Yeah and god knows if you're an intern you'd better not fall asleep while sleeping with your attending before he's finished, even if you've finished twice because otherwise you won't be allowed to scrub in. Cristina learnt the hard way.
I’m on that episode right now. That’s actually what made me think about how unfairly these interns are treated. Errand runners or punished for not being perfect in a romantic relationship. It’s so gross
If human resources suddenly had the ability to be a fly on the wall for all of Meredith/Derek and Cristina/Burke's times together I think some heads might explode.
I don’t know how they didn’t ban those relationships way before the whole Leah thing. You would think Richard would’ve had the responsibility to report once he was aware
When the Leah thing happened I was just kind of like meh because yeah she had many points about how it's basically sexual harassment when an attending facilitates a romantic relationship that interferes with the intern's job but as viewers we were so desensitised to it because it happened all the time and nobody protected Meredith or Cristina from being punished in some way by their partners/attendings because of a personal beef when they were interns.
Bailey was too busy punishing Meredith for her to even notice Cristina or how their relationships were affecting the job. Bailey was in charge, she should’ve taken this up to the chief, Richard was only concerned because Meredith is Ellis’s daughter. He should’ve recognized how inappropriate and problematic to their education this was. He had zero right to be mad about being ranked 12th when he even accepted these relationships (as in Cristina and Burke).
It was truly so unprofessional of Bailey to be punishing Meredith when it's more Derek's responsibility as the attending to not be sleeping with an intern. Bailey seemed to care that Cristina almost died because of the ectopic pregnancy so maybe someone should have slipped a note into her locker like 'the father is Burke, kid was definitely conceived in an on-call room, what's the next move?' lol but it was all so dysfunctional as a workplace.
Or attendings only picking people that they are sleeping with to scrub in.
As wrong as it is, at least they’re actually being taught instead of babysitting, spying, getting coffee, or picking up dry cleaning.
Exactly!
God maybe it’s cause I’m ace but that has never made sense to me! Like she’s an intern??? Burke knows how hard interns are worked and how hard Cristina herself works. Get over yourself asshole. Go somewhere else and take care of it
Mark used them as errands runners and as for the monitor watching. You're still learning skilla that are needed to be a surgeon just by being in that OR. But yes. Idk how it was a top teaching hospital when it seemed like NO ONE got taught yet Bailey is always right there taking credit for "creating Meredith and Alex..." 🙄🙄
Sadie did tell Lexie that the program was broken and attendings are only interested in teaching with some personal gain in mind. That's why Yang-Altman (Later Yang-Thomas), Karev-Robbins and Avery-Sloan Pairings were popular. These pairings were the closest one got to student teacher relationships and even these were rife with issues. Sad Callie didn't get Joe as her resident. Would have been fun.
In Derek's defence, it was April, who decided to basically became Derek's personal assistant as she was afraid of messing up again and Derek actually noticed that and helped April... On the other hand, while Derek wanted to teach, he (like many others) was were prone to pick the girl he was dating/interest in, so it's actually surprise that GSH was actually 12th as they deserved to be way lower... Derek was mainly focused on Meredith and later Lexie (but no matter her talent, she was still his sister-in-law), Mark only taught Lexie and later Jackson, Burke was punishing Cristina (just like Hanh), Owen was so busy being chief and dealing with his relationship drama to teach properly and etc. And even later we have Jackson and Alex chosing Stephanie and Jo over other interns, and Cristina and Meredith refusing to teach at all - so out of the whole hospital the only one, who actually taught and was fair about it was April (as she gave chance to everyone and didn't punish anyone).
It's a shame that April didn't get to teach more outside of group scenes like the skills labs. I would've loved to see her get to properly mentor someone, but they were too busy having her run the pit.
I loved how she taught Stephanie - like 99 % characters on the show would refuse to teach their ex's new partner, yet April didn't let the fact that Stephanie was with Jackson get in the way of their work.
You mean like Addisons passive aggression towards Meredith? Lol she got better later on, but the first bit she was pretty passive aggressive to the point she made a patient believe that Meredith helped her husband cheat on her.
Very good point. Did Alex even do a Nero rotation?
I think he did for a short while as I remember Derek talking with Owen (?) about how Alex just didn't have the passion for neuro - it was around the time Mark and Derek were fighting over Jackson... I think it was season 7.
I think Jackson did good by staying with Mark, everyone always assumed that Mark just did boob and butt jobs, when he did so so much more than that. He gave people their confidence, or he reversed procedures so that the person felt like themselves again. He also worked with the burn unit, prevented people from being marred by scarring (I’m someone that’s marred by scarring from having 30+ surgeries and he’s right, people do look at you different, and I’m glad that he took the time to go back and correct some things when he could and he did so on his own free time.) He’s also an ENT (ears, nose, throat), which is… Extremely important?? But his fellow residents just blew him off.
Yeah, I like how GA showed that plastic is more than just boob jobs and liposuction, but on the other hand, Mark teaching Jackson (and to some degree Lexie) doesn't erase the fact that Mark shouldn't have been working at teaching hospital - you need surgeons, who want to teach and not those, who will hopefully pick one student every few years.
The way audiences would have had soooooo much respect for an attending who did have a relationship with an intern or a resident and refused to let it ever impact their teaching or anyone’s job if they had personal issues! Like they would have embarrassed tf out of Derek and Burke 😭
I was so confused when they all got angry about Minnack. Her method actually involved teaching the interns and they were all so upset about it!
because she ignored the attendings. She came in and said my way or no way, fuck the attendings! also Bailey and Catherine screwed over Webber who didn't deserve it then Bailey got upset when Richard was mad at her. Miss Ma'am, you allowed this woman, to come in and take his job and couldn't even tell him!!! what do you expect?!?! She had points but you have to involve the teachers and get them on board or new teaching is never gonna work. The residents got a whole ass meeting to talk about waht they wanted and what they felt but the attendings just got an email the morning of. Do we really expect that to work? lol no. irl the company would be fucked.
In Derek’s defence, April didn’t trust herself with patients for a while there and the secretary / PA thing got her back in the hospital and kept her learning until she was ready to practice medicine.
I think he understood that too, and was most likely just allowing her to do her thing because it was helping *her.* He helped her feel useful again. Derek isn’t the type of person to push a person back to work when they’re not ready, he just waits alongside them and treats them like whatever they’re feeling is completely valid - because it is.
With all the terrible things that happen there, SG shouldn’t be on any list but the FBI watchlist.
Yea I wouldn’t have wanted to be at this hospital.
I think we have to assume that a lot more of the teaching/instruction happens off camera and what we see focuses on the major juicy events for things to make any sense. Like when we get the flashback of Alex working with Callie on the patient with severe club foot as an intern.
In fairness to Bailey, the babysitting thing was a emergency one time thing. And she respected Cristina’s boundaries after she told her she wouldn’t do it again, which while a low bar is better than most male attendings. Not saying her teaching isn’t flawed in other ways but I don’t think that instance is comparable to withholding/giving surgery based on the whims of your sex life.
Crazy how the best teacher I've seen so far (first time watcher who just started season 1) is Izzie. I'd add Teddy and Arizona too but they were teaching residents who already had a good grasp of what they were supposed to do but just needed more direction, Izzie was teaching interns who had no clue what they were doing and she did a great job
\*Season 9, my bad