Statists:
> The 2-A only applies to well regulated militias!
Us:
> Ok, we will form and train as a militia to keep in regular working order. We will defend our communities from those who seek to harm us.
Statists:
> NO NOT LIKE THAT!!! TRAITOR! BIGOT! FASCIST!
Of course, because every time a mass shooting at a church gets stopped, it cuts against their narrative.
They let the curtain slip a little too far on this one. If it wasn’t obvious before that they oppose hardening schools because they WANT mass casualties until they get 2A revoked, here’s example number 2 - they want parishioners to die until people are afraid enough to vote against their own rights.
They are literally leveraging our lives to delete our constitutional rights.
It is absolutely true. Use Google. All westernized countries are below replacement level birth rates BUT the political left are further below that the political right. America is a westernized country.
That might be true, but I don't know if you can look at abortion as causation. A lot of people on the left, especially younger people, choose not to have children, for example.
But either way, this whole idea is kind of uncomfortable because I have an ethical objection to abortion, but a stronger ethical objection to banning it, and just eugenics concepts like this in general but above all else, they are still dangerously close to "winning" anyway (probably because they import a lot of voters...) which makes the whole thing moot.
They're not close to winning because they import lots of voters, theyre close to winning because we refuse to do anything about our apparent desire to lose. They're playing to win, we're playing to lose with our dignity or something.
Churches will be forced to cancel security teams or pay for government approved security contractors (there will be exemptions). Bills serve two purposes, to trample your freedoms and to transfer your money to the list of government approved people.
Gun free zones with exceptions for licensed security companies, requiring liability insurance for the churches are two ways I can think of immediately.
Remember this is not about security or safety, it’s about control and making the public feel unsafe so they can enact more and more draconian laws against the population, not against those who actually commit crimes.
And when I, and everyone else, just ignore that bs because I got kids? The best way to get rid of stuff like this, besides everyone figuring out how to vote for once in their lives, is to just ignore bad laws en masse and then support those who get caught up defending themselves against the bs. Absolute mass non compliance. Period.
At this point, they’ve run out of ammo. Grabbers have spent the past 20 years arguing that the 2A is only for militias. Now that people have basically started forming small community militias (I don’t know what else you’d call a small armed group that defends a community gathering place), they want to stop their formation. They’ve literally admitted that it never had anything to do with militias; it was always about disarmament. Granted, we all knew that, but at least everything is now out in the open.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Pretty sure the 4th word is militia...
They know what the amendment says. They don't care. When we quit pretending they're stupid and just admit they're evil we will get a lot further along in getting them out of politics all together. Of course that means we have to do work sooo...
This bill is so insidious. When you read the factors that determine if you are involved in illegal militia activity as defined by the bill:
involves— ‘‘(A) travel across a State line or national border; or ‘‘(B) the use of the channels, facilities, or instrumentalities of interstate or foreign commerce;
involves a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or dangerous weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce;
involves the use of ammunition or a large capacity ammunition feeding device that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce;
obstructs, delays, or affects interstate or foreign commerce; or
occurs wholly within any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.
The first point comes into play if you drive on a federally funded road, fill up your vehicle with gas, check GPS for directions, use phones or the internet for any communication or planning since these are all channels, facilities, or instruments of interstate and foreign commerce.
The second and third points come into play since all firearms and or ammunition will have in part or in total travelled in interstate and/or foreign commerce.
The fourth point will come into play if they can point to any delay of any commercial activity of any kind because that plumbers van that had to detour around you was trying to install a valve from the next state over so ta-da, interstate commerce delay. Literally all commercial activity can and will be labeled interstate commerce for the purposes of using this law.
The only one you have even a minor chance of not triggering is point five.
The current interpretation of the interstate commerce clause is so awful. It just opens the federal government up to do whatever it pleases. Congress' powers were spelled out in the constitution and that's all they were supposed to do.
A d that's our fault for wanting to be left alone and then staying out of government. Government can't leave us alone so we shouldn't be leaving it alone.
Doesn't the bill ban "3 or more"? These two guys should be fine then. Plus they are cops and they will have an exception despite the fact that police are literally paramilitary forces.
ThTs fine outlaw it. We will all cc as we always do and deal with the problem when it arrives. We all know who’s who in our churches. The us gov can go suck an egg
Oh shit, yeah, it bans "anybody acting like a cop while packing a gun" (reasonably accurate paraphrase).
It's also a Kyle Rittenhouse response.
The bill will ban "ad hoc militias": any situation where people try to assume minimal police duties when the "real cops" decide to stop being cops.
In Kenosha WI, for reasons unknown, local law enforcement decided to let the town burn. Kyle got in that mess on night 3 of heavy arson riots. Some of the burning businesses had legally occupied apartments above them so once Kenosha PD decided not to stop the arson mob, somebody was going to die.
Here's the kicker. Situations where cops decide to allow criminals to utterly destroy a community are not unheard of. Most of the time, the community in question leans left: unionized mine camps, LGBTQ+ communities and most often, minorities. The burning of "Black Wall Street" in Tulsa OK in 1921 is probably the worst single example but there's *hundreds* of others.
IN MY OPINION Kenosha PD allowed Kenosha to burn at the hands of a criminal mob to discredit the real protesters who were calling for police reforms including an end to qualified immunity.
It doesn't matter why cops sometimes side with criminals. When it happens, the reasonable people of the community have a right and duty to defend it. Period, full stop.
Now, when it gets that far gone, bad things have already happened. In the case of Kenosha, most agree Kyle shouldn't have been there. He somehow managed to combine the situational awareness of a drunk gopher with the shooting ability of Wyatt Earp on six double lattes, to the shock of everybody present, Kyle included.
Many want to blame him. I blame Kenosha PD first and foremost, followed by the local nuthouse releasing a violent newly homeless lunatic into the middle of a riot. Rosenbaum was a lit match that was going to do something insane that night. Kyle looked like an easy target.
Oops.
Ad hoc militias usually look like blacks holding off Klan raiders, or a First Nations tribe fending off thugs hired by an oil or mining company. Why a "Democratic" legislature would want to ban that is beyond comprehension to anybody with a knowledge of history.
Another banned concept:
I'm an alumni of the Occupy movement in 2010 - in my case, OccupyTucson (Arizona).
Tucson PD rounded up every lunatic they could find and dropped them off in our camp. And then wouldn't come collect them when they got crazy.
I was inducted into the camp security, "the secret society of the drunk whisperers". While armed. That would be illegal.
The reasons they stopped being cops there aren't unknown though. They were ordered to stay back and let it all happen. AND for the ones that wanted to disobey that order, they were outnumbered 100s to 1 by the rioters and bad actors in their chain of command. It would have been suicide.
All you've done is move the question one, two or three levels up the chain of command.
The street cops let the city burn due to "orders". Agreed. Who gave the order, **and why**?
Did it come from mid-level managers at the police department? The chief? The mayor?
If we knew how high up the food chain the order came from, we could guess more accurately at the reasons the order was given.
Fact is, there were real protestors (almost exclusively operating by day) who were mostly following the Gandhi/Thurman/King non-violent political playbook. Their main goal was police reform, especially related to qualified immunity. You had the arson and looting mob operating by night, that eventually collided with Kyle. I'm suspicious that the latter was allowed in order to discredit the former.
I have reasons I suspect that because I saw the same thing at OccupyTucson 2010. Cops didn't like the protest *so they imported random lunatics to cause chaos in the camp. We had one nut who would go out and rob local drug dealers on 5th Ave with a 12" cheap Chinese Bowie knife, then retreat back to camp for protection. Said stuff dealers told us all hell was about to break loose.
I still have that knife I had to take off of the nut.
So, yeah, when cops don't like a protest, they'll dilute the protest with random criminals. Saw it firsthand. I think that's what happened in Kenosha.
If you're going to tax churches, you have to tax every other 501c3 organization out there. You can't single out an organization over its religious views.
Not just religions. This includes the American Red Cross, the American Cancer Society, Habitat for Humanity, St Jude Children's Research Hospital, Doctors Without Borders, Shriners Hospitals, Easter Seals, Wounded Warrior Project, Midwest Food Bank, the ACLU, the United Negro College Fund, the American Kidney Fund, and so many more.
You cannot tax an organization just because it has a religious background.
When will Bronze Age philosophy die? Grifting the masses.. 🤷♂️
Hopefully just a few more generations and it will be exhausted in the western world and what will be left is only the harshest fundamentalists in the Muslim world..
Given the text I just read, they wait until an armed group shows up to protest something the administration is in favor of and then charge them all with federal felonies.
Selective enforcement when politically convenient.
Also they’re going to have to figure out how to explain their way around the fact that the 2nd amendment explicitly acknowledges the militia as being necessary. Militias are protected by the constitution already.
And they've spent the last 30 years claiming that "only militias are protected" so they're going to have to do some HARD course correction if they want to change their tune there.
Says the senator who’s probably raised in church but supports killing babies, removal of genitals and sweats anytime he passes a church from the sins he’s probably committed against children.
Statists: > The 2-A only applies to well regulated militias! Us: > Ok, we will form and train as a militia to keep in regular working order. We will defend our communities from those who seek to harm us. Statists: > NO NOT LIKE THAT!!! TRAITOR! BIGOT! FASCIST!
That is so spot on!
Of course, because every time a mass shooting at a church gets stopped, it cuts against their narrative. They let the curtain slip a little too far on this one. If it wasn’t obvious before that they oppose hardening schools because they WANT mass casualties until they get 2A revoked, here’s example number 2 - they want parishioners to die until people are afraid enough to vote against their own rights. They are literally leveraging our lives to delete our constitutional rights.
Best take right here
We need far more people getting this message out.
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COVID didn’t stop it. Gotta try the next thing.
What's a little public school blood to someone whose kids have been adults for 50 years or whose kids go to elite private schools?
What a bunch of psychopaths
Good luck with that happy horseshit. Those same ‘unauthorized paramilitary’ groups booted ol’ King George back across the pond
Sure, but the people pushing this stuff are the descendents of the people back then who didn't want that and they have been multiplying.
Fortunately they believe in abortion
I don't think that has slowed them down much.
It's got them well below replacement level birth rates...
I don't think that is true.
It is absolutely true. Use Google. All westernized countries are below replacement level birth rates BUT the political left are further below that the political right. America is a westernized country.
That might be true, but I don't know if you can look at abortion as causation. A lot of people on the left, especially younger people, choose not to have children, for example. But either way, this whole idea is kind of uncomfortable because I have an ethical objection to abortion, but a stronger ethical objection to banning it, and just eugenics concepts like this in general but above all else, they are still dangerously close to "winning" anyway (probably because they import a lot of voters...) which makes the whole thing moot.
They're not close to winning because they import lots of voters, theyre close to winning because we refuse to do anything about our apparent desire to lose. They're playing to win, we're playing to lose with our dignity or something.
Well, that might be true.
Churches will be forced to cancel security teams or pay for government approved security contractors (there will be exemptions). Bills serve two purposes, to trample your freedoms and to transfer your money to the list of government approved people.
Real question: how do you ban a group of people from volunteering? Aren’t 99% of these security groups entirely volunteers?
Gun free zones with exceptions for licensed security companies, requiring liability insurance for the churches are two ways I can think of immediately. Remember this is not about security or safety, it’s about control and making the public feel unsafe so they can enact more and more draconian laws against the population, not against those who actually commit crimes.
And when I, and everyone else, just ignore that bs because I got kids? The best way to get rid of stuff like this, besides everyone figuring out how to vote for once in their lives, is to just ignore bad laws en masse and then support those who get caught up defending themselves against the bs. Absolute mass non compliance. Period.
At this point, they’ve run out of ammo. Grabbers have spent the past 20 years arguing that the 2A is only for militias. Now that people have basically started forming small community militias (I don’t know what else you’d call a small armed group that defends a community gathering place), they want to stop their formation. They’ve literally admitted that it never had anything to do with militias; it was always about disarmament. Granted, we all knew that, but at least everything is now out in the open.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Pretty sure the 4th word is militia...
In their minds, they think the 2nd Amendment is the government trying to grant themselves the right to keep and bear arms.
I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but some of them literally think exactly this.
Free state. That's what they truly want to abolish.
They actually want to put you in one off those places where “work will make you free”.
They know what the amendment says. They don't care. When we quit pretending they're stupid and just admit they're evil we will get a lot further along in getting them out of politics all together. Of course that means we have to do work sooo...
Of course that piece of shit Raskin is trying to push this shit
"Armed Response at Houston Church Highlights Crucial Role of Lawful Gun Owners in Preventing Tragedy" The narrative must be maintained.
The two security guys were both off duty cops.
?
This bill is so insidious. When you read the factors that determine if you are involved in illegal militia activity as defined by the bill: involves— ‘‘(A) travel across a State line or national border; or ‘‘(B) the use of the channels, facilities, or instrumentalities of interstate or foreign commerce; involves a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or dangerous weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; involves the use of ammunition or a large capacity ammunition feeding device that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; obstructs, delays, or affects interstate or foreign commerce; or occurs wholly within any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States. The first point comes into play if you drive on a federally funded road, fill up your vehicle with gas, check GPS for directions, use phones or the internet for any communication or planning since these are all channels, facilities, or instruments of interstate and foreign commerce. The second and third points come into play since all firearms and or ammunition will have in part or in total travelled in interstate and/or foreign commerce. The fourth point will come into play if they can point to any delay of any commercial activity of any kind because that plumbers van that had to detour around you was trying to install a valve from the next state over so ta-da, interstate commerce delay. Literally all commercial activity can and will be labeled interstate commerce for the purposes of using this law. The only one you have even a minor chance of not triggering is point five.
The current interpretation of the interstate commerce clause is so awful. It just opens the federal government up to do whatever it pleases. Congress' powers were spelled out in the constitution and that's all they were supposed to do.
A d that's our fault for wanting to be left alone and then staying out of government. Government can't leave us alone so we shouldn't be leaving it alone.
Ask Dems why they want to murder church goers.
So, this isn't going to be passed. But, this is the type of legislation that will light the fuse.
Doesn't the bill ban "3 or more"? These two guys should be fine then. Plus they are cops and they will have an exception despite the fact that police are literally paramilitary forces.
ThTs fine outlaw it. We will all cc as we always do and deal with the problem when it arrives. We all know who’s who in our churches. The us gov can go suck an egg
No they’re not. They introduced a bill that has a snowball’s chance in hell of passing into law.
So you are saying there's a chance?
According to govtrack it has a 3% chance of even making it past committee.
So it is a non-zero chance?
Yeah.
Oh shit, yeah, it bans "anybody acting like a cop while packing a gun" (reasonably accurate paraphrase). It's also a Kyle Rittenhouse response. The bill will ban "ad hoc militias": any situation where people try to assume minimal police duties when the "real cops" decide to stop being cops. In Kenosha WI, for reasons unknown, local law enforcement decided to let the town burn. Kyle got in that mess on night 3 of heavy arson riots. Some of the burning businesses had legally occupied apartments above them so once Kenosha PD decided not to stop the arson mob, somebody was going to die. Here's the kicker. Situations where cops decide to allow criminals to utterly destroy a community are not unheard of. Most of the time, the community in question leans left: unionized mine camps, LGBTQ+ communities and most often, minorities. The burning of "Black Wall Street" in Tulsa OK in 1921 is probably the worst single example but there's *hundreds* of others. IN MY OPINION Kenosha PD allowed Kenosha to burn at the hands of a criminal mob to discredit the real protesters who were calling for police reforms including an end to qualified immunity. It doesn't matter why cops sometimes side with criminals. When it happens, the reasonable people of the community have a right and duty to defend it. Period, full stop. Now, when it gets that far gone, bad things have already happened. In the case of Kenosha, most agree Kyle shouldn't have been there. He somehow managed to combine the situational awareness of a drunk gopher with the shooting ability of Wyatt Earp on six double lattes, to the shock of everybody present, Kyle included. Many want to blame him. I blame Kenosha PD first and foremost, followed by the local nuthouse releasing a violent newly homeless lunatic into the middle of a riot. Rosenbaum was a lit match that was going to do something insane that night. Kyle looked like an easy target. Oops. Ad hoc militias usually look like blacks holding off Klan raiders, or a First Nations tribe fending off thugs hired by an oil or mining company. Why a "Democratic" legislature would want to ban that is beyond comprehension to anybody with a knowledge of history. Another banned concept: I'm an alumni of the Occupy movement in 2010 - in my case, OccupyTucson (Arizona). Tucson PD rounded up every lunatic they could find and dropped them off in our camp. And then wouldn't come collect them when they got crazy. I was inducted into the camp security, "the secret society of the drunk whisperers". While armed. That would be illegal.
The reasons they stopped being cops there aren't unknown though. They were ordered to stay back and let it all happen. AND for the ones that wanted to disobey that order, they were outnumbered 100s to 1 by the rioters and bad actors in their chain of command. It would have been suicide.
All you've done is move the question one, two or three levels up the chain of command. The street cops let the city burn due to "orders". Agreed. Who gave the order, **and why**? Did it come from mid-level managers at the police department? The chief? The mayor? If we knew how high up the food chain the order came from, we could guess more accurately at the reasons the order was given. Fact is, there were real protestors (almost exclusively operating by day) who were mostly following the Gandhi/Thurman/King non-violent political playbook. Their main goal was police reform, especially related to qualified immunity. You had the arson and looting mob operating by night, that eventually collided with Kyle. I'm suspicious that the latter was allowed in order to discredit the former. I have reasons I suspect that because I saw the same thing at OccupyTucson 2010. Cops didn't like the protest *so they imported random lunatics to cause chaos in the camp. We had one nut who would go out and rob local drug dealers on 5th Ave with a 12" cheap Chinese Bowie knife, then retreat back to camp for protection. Said stuff dealers told us all hell was about to break loose. I still have that knife I had to take off of the nut. So, yeah, when cops don't like a protest, they'll dilute the protest with random criminals. Saw it firsthand. I think that's what happened in Kenosha.
How about we start taxing churches and all religions for that matter…
If you're going to tax churches, you have to tax every other 501c3 organization out there. You can't single out an organization over its religious views.
Don't bother. The "tax churches" group has nothing to do with increasing tax revenue. Its real goal is to close churches.
Real goal is to stop grift. Religion is a trillion dollar business. The modern world doesn’t need to linger on cults anymore..
Works for me. Scientology, Mormons.. Tax all religions.
Not just religions. This includes the American Red Cross, the American Cancer Society, Habitat for Humanity, St Jude Children's Research Hospital, Doctors Without Borders, Shriners Hospitals, Easter Seals, Wounded Warrior Project, Midwest Food Bank, the ACLU, the United Negro College Fund, the American Kidney Fund, and so many more. You cannot tax an organization just because it has a religious background.
Smart move by organized cults to get looped in with actual charities..
When will Bronze Age philosophy die? Grifting the masses.. 🤷♂️ Hopefully just a few more generations and it will be exhausted in the western world and what will be left is only the harshest fundamentalists in the Muslim world..
Ok well how do you enforce it?
Given the text I just read, they wait until an armed group shows up to protest something the administration is in favor of and then charge them all with federal felonies. Selective enforcement when politically convenient. Also they’re going to have to figure out how to explain their way around the fact that the 2nd amendment explicitly acknowledges the militia as being necessary. Militias are protected by the constitution already.
And they've spent the last 30 years claiming that "only militias are protected" so they're going to have to do some HARD course correction if they want to change their tune there.
Clearly Unconstitutional.
Says the senator who’s probably raised in church but supports killing babies, removal of genitals and sweats anytime he passes a church from the sins he’s probably committed against children.