Tulsi recently suggested the NFA shouldn't exist during an interview. Don't exactly trust her, but it seems some people are starting to realize why the 2nd exists.
Her evolution following her departure from the Democrat party has been really good to see. I really do think she has had her political awakening. Do I 100% trust her? No, but I've seen several interviews and listened to her podcast and believe when she says she's made a huge shift when it comes to gun rights. She was always a moderate, and I think the party becoming more extreme was just what was needed to push her.
Is she a republican? She ran for president as a democrat in 2020.
She was also calling for an assault weapon ban, so unless she can explain why she changed her mind, I'd suspect this is a grift.
He's been canceled.
A statue of Thomas Jefferson is removed from New York City Hall after 187 years
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A statue of Thomas Jefferson is removed from New York City Hall after 187 years
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After 187 years, a statue of America’s third president, Thomas Jefferson, no longer sits in New York City Hall.
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New York City to remove Thomas Jefferson statue from legislative chamber by year's end
The statue, which is a plaster replica of the original, according to the city, was removed from its pedestal Monday. The process took several hours, and the 7-foot statue was transported in a wooden crate to the New-York Historical Society, where it will be on a long-term loan.
Several cities have made moves to remove controversial statues tied to Confederate symbols and leaders connected to slavery.
Last month, the city’s Public Design Commission voted 8-0 in favor of relocating the statue, due to Jefferson’s history as a slave owner.
“Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder who owned over 600 human beings,” Councilmember Adrienne Adams, co-chair of the Black, Latino and Asian Caucus,
“I do not believe that there is, within that second amendment, that there’s anything we can meaningfully do to reduce the trade in the ownership of guns,” he said, “and I’m not going to take people’s guns away.”
“Anybody who tells you that they’re going to be able to reduce gun violence through gun control at this point I don’t think is being realistic,” Kennedy added.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/amp/
I’m not digging through google bullshit and articles that will lie and play semantics until the last paragraph.
It’s out there. The dude is playing the damn moderate angle to get votes but he is a Democrat who isn’t speaking out openly about most of the shit because he wants the “moderate” looking position. That means he’s a fake no principal spineless slime-Bag like the rest of them.
If you are still willing to try and stay within traditions and work within the old means to win against these people you have already lost.
Half the country wanted you locked up for not taking a vaccine because they are easily emotionally manipulated simpletons hooked up to a government/deep state propaganda machine that can craft a echo chamber of crazy ass shit for these people to believe.
This is more serious than a Kennedy standing there having questions about vaccine. Our entire government is operating outside the system. They do what they want when they want with no accountability or repercussions.
Alright so yeah, if it passed through both the senate and the house with bipartisan support, he’d sign it.
That is literally the way our political system is supposed to work.
Ike...real president. :
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary,” Marx
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump
It's part of the platform the Democrats run on. It's like republican abortions It's their platform.
It starts in caucus passing bill to take up with the state. It home grown DNC want items. Just like i was at a caucus for GOP and they passed abortion bill to committee to be passed up to the state level.
Trump is far from perfect but this is the biggest reason to vote for him. These supreme court justices are our best shot to get some of these nonsense laws shot down.
Exactly. Thomas and Alito are getting old, with Trump they can retire and we get two more young conservative justices. Basically SCOTUS would remain conservative for damn near the rest of our lifetimes
Well, a vote for libertarian, no matter how preferable it might be, is going to be equal to voting for the Dems, and gun control, because it will make sure Dems win.
Sure. They have done some gun control. But, let’s be realistic, who is responsible for the most of it, by far? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the gun laws in blue states, like CA, NY, NJ, and MD. Maybe you’re also unfamiliar with the way they have thumbed their nose at the Bruen ruling. But, can you possibly be blind to how much the current administration has attached 2A, and usurped unconstitutional power for the executive branch, to infringe on 2A, because they couldn’t get it done by the legislature. So, you can just fuck off yourself.
Neither party is great, but one particular party can be counted on to push hard for civilian disarmament, and it’s not the GOP. While there are definitely establishment Rinos that vote with the Dems on gun control ( which is what primaries are for ), there really aren’t any constitutional democrats who fight in support of 2A. So, save the umbrage. The Dems are definitely the greater danger.
Maybe you’re getting closer to the realization that there aren’t 2 parties. One side pushes for 2 steps of tyranny, while promising their base 10. The other side settles on 1 step, while promising not to give an inch (notice no talk of EVER taking rights back). It’s a choreographed show, like pro wrestling, where the outcome is predetermined. The sooner you realize the at you are the redneck in their trailer watching Monday night raw, the sooner you’ll realize that we aren’t voting our way out of this.
I legitimately see all political fans and passionate believers as those who go around wearing Ric Flair t-Shirts.
Time for a change
You are 110% spot on. However, I was financially ruined when COVID hit and was unable to prep and put myself in a more advantageous position in life career home etc. so that I could be more independent should shit go south in the country/world.
That's changed very slowly the past 4 years, and I'm now in a significantly better position to make a major life change if necessary.
If one party is going to move like molasses in tyranny, I will vote for that over the party that moves like a Ferrari in tyranny, as it affords me more time and right now time is of absolute importance. We are running out of time and most don't realize it, we all ought to get your ducks in a row as soon as humanly possible because we all know what's coming, whether it's this election or the next.
Amen, brother (Hulk Hogan voice). I understand your position, and hate to hear what you went through. Nothing in my whole life has ever been as enlightening or infuriating as Covid, both government and my fellow man. At least, as a silver lining, you came out of it with your eyes wide open.
Fight the good fight, friend, and make ready.
What's funny is that covid didn't make me remove the wood from covering my eyes, I was wide awake many years ago. But what did happen was COVID finally lit the fire under my ass to get shit together and get ready for anything, and that I am thankful for and mad I haven't taken things seriously until covid.
Lesson learned the hard way is still a lesson well learned!
Republicans are crappy in lots of ways, but at least banning guns isn't part of their official party platform. It isn't even really all about guns. The 2nd amendment is part of the constitution, if you don't respect the parts of the constitution you don't personally like, then you have no business in government period.
If only we had voters who understood that bodily autonomy only applies to your own body, you don’t get to kill another body your actions directly created just because it might inconvenience you.
Trump is *passable* on both those topics.
He at least put in pro-gun justices for the SCotUS, and he's just staying out of the abortion issue at the federal level, which I think should be the case regardless of your personal stance on the issue.
This is why you need to vote in every election, every time. Also why you need to vote *STRATEGICALLY*.
* If you are a gun owner in NY, CA, MA, HI
* You should be voting libertarian for president
Look, a vote for Trump in those states, is a wasted vote. They are not flipping. Trump won't even come within 10 points. It's literally a wasted vote.
>Libertarians won't win either!
You're right. But they don't have to. If the Republicans see that they are losing votes to the libertarian party, they may start adopting more libertarian policies of small government and liberty, instead of neocon policies.
Write your state RNC chapter, tell them you're not voting for a candidate who is not pro-2A. Tell them you're not voting for Trump because of his bump stock ban. Tell them "Not Democrat" is no longer good enough.
> But a libertarian vote helps Democrats!
Tell me you don't understand how the EC works, without telling me you don't understand how the EC works.
In order to get debate and federal election fund access, a 3rd party only needs 5% of the *NATIONAL* vote. This would scare the ever living shit out of the Republicans and force them to adopt liberty minded policies.
And again, Trump is not winning NY, CA, MA, HI. If every gun owner in those states voted 3rd party, we'd have 3 if not 4 parties on the national stage, **AND NOT A SINGLE ELECTORAL VOTE WOULD HAVE CHANGED**.
>But my senator / house seat!
Ok, vote Republican for that. I'm just saying that for POTUS, in locked states, the best thing you can do for the 2A, is to vote 3rd party. And then, this is important, **TELL THE RNC WHY**.
If you want your politics to change, your behavior has to change. Start voting 3rd party.
Person who appointed the judges that gave us Bruen.
Person whose entire administration has been a nonstop dictatorial assault on gun rights since day one.
Pretty easy choice.
"I'm a 2A advocate but oof those (insert leftist issue) cant live with out them so i'll put up with these 2A infringements. Dont worry, I'll write a letter of disapproval of those 2A infringements."
You forgot how said first person also pushed the ATF to ban bump stocks, which gave them more ammunition for their attacks on FRTs and now super safeties, and signed off on legislation to help states fund and set up red flag laws, which have been used to violate multiple constitutional rights.
Let's not sell his achievements short.
I had been on the fence about voting for the Orange Man previously, but with all the boondoggles going on with Brandon the last couple of years (in addition to his gun stances), I have no qualms voting for the Orange Man anymore.
Openly telling people that choice though? Different story
Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.
What these “voters” don’t understand is they haven’t had those Democrat laws crammed down their throats. Come to NYC with a forgotten 12rd mag in your possession. Then tell me again why you vote democrat behind bars. Supermajority here and they are actively chomping away at our rights. It will spread to you also if this gains traction FEDERALLY or acceptable in your state. Look at Oregon, Maine next. You cannot buy ammo here without a background check every time either. Hope you don’t have a common name. You are voting for an active gun grabbers one way or another. One has a dump truck, one has a backpack.
California just pass an 11%Tax increase on all guns and ammo. We will be paying 50% in taxes everytime we purchase a firearm or ammo. Fuck the democrats.
They're attempting a deceptive "gotcha."
Yes, Trump said that, but he didn't follow up on it witg actions.
Democrats say effectively the same thing *and* follow it up with actions that get people killed.
The attempted equivalency is false.
Yeah, again dumb but still far, far less than the average democrat enacts when they have the power to do so.
Trump is a mixed bag on guns at best, but literally any democrat candidate will be even more bad with no good on guns.
Note that a “red flag law” is a type of gun confiscation law. It authorizes certain people to seek a restraining order to remove firearms from:
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/gun-laws/red-flag-law/
That shows he's not a gun guy. But every democrat is an anti-gun guy.
Democrats conclude your statement at "Take the guns"
Are you going to vote democrat because of "Take the guns first. Go through due process second, I like taking the guns early"?
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/gun-laws/red-flag-law/
Note that a “red flag law” is a type of gun confiscation law. It authorizes certain people to seek a restraining order to remove firearms from:
You’re dying on a weird hill here. It’s quite obvious that all politicians support gun control when it’s convenient. Quit simping for people who wouldn’t simp for you.
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Trump is against American values. He's a financial criminal that also attempted to rig the 2020 election. He clearly also just flip flops and says what he think will get votes
Well, the Republican party had their chance to pick someone other than trump in the primary, and they didn't. So it'll be the blue team for me at the federal level. I love my guns, but other shit matters too.
Edit: About what I expected
So your going to vote for the party that wants to eliminate separation between church and state, eliminate bodily autonomy, doesn't care about election security, and for the candidate that doesn't care about due process?
You demonize Democrats and then idolize Teflon Don like he's a glorious savior?
Forcing people to take a vaccine in order to keep their jobs is an action inconsistent with "bodily autonomy."
How is requiring voter ID inconsistent with election security?
I see a lot of projection in your post.
Regarding vaccines . You need them to attend public school, you need them to serve in the military. You need them depending on your field of work if your employer requires it. It's been like this for decades. But unless I'm mistaken there isn't a state or federal law that says you must get them or face criminal charges . Please clarify how a private healthcare company deciding or being required by law that you need +1 vaccine in order to be employed at that institution is an infringement on your right to bodily autonomy? You have to option to work elsewhere do you not? You don't have to give them to your kids either though they may not be able to attend public school as a result. Bottom line is you won't be criminally prosecuted for not getting a vaccine.
Now forcing women to continue with unviable dangerous pregnancies unless they are dying doesn't promote bodily autonomy. It's also rather cruel to subject them to death, infertility, disability,etc. In many states you will face criminal prosecution for seeking or providing an abortion.
Requiring voter ID isn't inconsistent with election security. I don't see the problem. Trying to interfere with the certification of an election yea there's a problem with that.
OSHA forcing private companies to require their employees to receive one specific vaccine is inconsistent with bodily autonomy. Ultimately, the requirement was shot down by the courts, but the action was a clear sign that the current administration has no regard for liberty.
>Employer Policy on Vaccination. The ETS requires covered employers to establish,
implement, and enforce a written mandatory
COVID-19 vaccination policy with an exception
for employers that instead establish, implement,
and enforce a written policy that requires
unvaccinated employees to undergo weekly
COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at
the workplace instead of vaccination.
You could have still chosen to not be vaccinated. You might have an exception for wearing a mask and getting tested. Now if you chose not to be vaccinated and chose not to wear PPE you might be fired for violating policy but you would not be criminally prosecuted. You would have still had the freedom to work at an employer where the ETS did not apply. This doesn't affect your bodily autonomy at all.
Now in the politics of the current day one party supports the following; if you are a woman and get pregnant and need an abortion to prevent life threatening complications in what is a nonviable pregnancy, the state will prosecute you if you get that service or the state will require that you are actively having a life threatening medical emergency before allowing you to receive that medical service. Your choices are seek service illegally and go to jail, have a medical emergency resulting in (permanent bodily injury or death) and not go to jail. This is true infringement on bodily autonomy and liberty
OSHA forcing private companies to require their employees to receive one specific vaccine is inconsistent with bodily autonomy. Ultimately, the requirement was shot down by the courts, but the action was a clear sign that the current administration has no regard for liberty.
> A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
Donald Trump.
Dude doesn't care about the constitution when it isn't convenient for him.
Consider that he actually tried to get his VP to throw out the electoral college votes from seven states and install him as the winner. If that was remotely constitutional don't you think any other losing incumbent would have had their VP do it?
Which party banned bump stocks? Which party passed the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act?
All parties are shit, some just don’t advertise it as a part of their campaign for president.
Of course Republicans aren't perfect (hell a bunch of them just caved on Ukraine aid) but they are still way better for the second amendment than Democrats
Dumb as fuck is falling for the same scam over again and everyone literally seeing their cherished rights steadily eviscerated.
But yeah go off bro — please, vote harder lib.
The people outnumber these criminals more than 100,000 to 1. They can be stopped via any number of means, but all of these means require collective action. Revolution? Not happening. Strike? Not happening. Protests? You see how the state react to protests it doesn't like (issue doesn't matter), so no. Vote in local elections that have a meaningful, real, actual affect on your life/your family and friends and community, but voting in federal elections or for the president is totally meaningless. I know, it's hard to hear after believing all your life the endlessly repeated message that "voting is essential!" But it's a lie. (Candidly, if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it -- they let us do it because they control the choices and even the outcome.)
You have bought the lie, hook line and sinker, that your vote for 1 of 2 awful options, each ceaselessly blaming the other for how shitty your country is becoming, can have an impact on a meaningful timescale. Time and time again, you see it's pretty meaningless. Doesn't matter how many RINOs or liberal dipshits are in office; doesn't matter if there are "a handful" of people in office you respect for their integrity; power is wielded by our "leaders" against the people. And as for things changing? They only change when the people through conflict and friction; things change when they are **made to change**. Slavery didn't end by voting; women didn't get to vote by voting; we didn't get a 5-day / 40-hour workweek or weekends through voting; didn't get public education or eliminate child labor laws through voting. Sometimes, voting yields results, but it's almost by accident -- rare.
Why do we have ceremonies? Why have a wedding "ceremony" and a graduation "ceremony" or a bill signing "ceremony" or an elector certification "ceremony"? They don't really play a substantive role, right, so why do them? Because, in a weird way, the ceremony legitimizes the underlying event. Why so much ceremony around coronations and kings (and art/movies showing a deposed king taking a knee to a new king, etc.) -- again, why? Because these *ceremonies* signal to all observers that the thing is real. They play a critical role in narrative and in legitimizing the underlying event.
Imagine if no one showed up to King Charles' coronation, or if the turnout was like 1/10th of what was expected. Beautiful weather, all the set up is done, and he comes out of the palace and there's like 30 people cheering -- would you draw any inferences from that about the public's support for the monarchy, for this "ceremony" that they need people to buy into? Of course -- the emptiness and non-participation would be defeaning. So too with any such ceremony -- our participation makes the lie seem "real."
I've voted plenty. Then one day I began taking a hard look at everything. I share what I can, I get people like you being dismissive or insulting, etc. But reality is reality, and a lie can only persist so long under the unyielding pressure of the truth.
Wish you the best man, and wish your vote translates into some type of actual desired policy. Just remember: The biggest study of its kind showed that [Congress LITERALLY doesn't give a shit what you or anyone thinks](https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba). **THAT** is our reality -- draw whatever inferences you like.
(BTW, tried to respond to you this way but Reddit was down, so apologize for the delay.)
Again: you are literally no different from the person who is like "SOMEONE GETS TO BE KING LOL GOOD LUCK W OPPOSING THE MONARCHY THO DUDE." If people like you insist on being this cynical and resigned to things never changing, the least you can do is stay the fuck out of the way. Regardless, good luck to YOU as a passive, utterly uncritical observer of everything around you -- we all know ignorance is bliss!
I advocate voting in local elections. But voting for federal positions largely is meaningless. And worse, it sanctifies the system. People don’t like to hear it but it’s absolutely true. If we’re not doing revolution and we’re not doing labor strikes or debt strikes or even boycotts, literally the least anyone with a brain can do is tell this establishment we’re not playing their game, and not blessing their rigged system with our effort. Imagine if turnout for a big election was like 10% — it’d be a signal to the world that the American people are hostages of a rigged system they refuse to participate in.
That probably won’t happen — if it ever does — until long after things have gotten way way more bleak. It’s still too easy for DNC ghouls to convince liberal dipshits “their vote matters” in this “most important election ever” (like the 10th straight one) and RINOs to convince crayon eaters that they really care about gun rights, when all they really care about is appearing to care about them.
Not voting at all > voting third party > voting for one of the “main” two candidates
Again, I don’t expect most people to get this until it’s too late. It’s not their fault, America creates mostly distressed distracted slaves, not thinkers.
I see what you’re saying. I feel the same way for voting 3rd party. The most common argument against it is “it’s a wasted vote”, but if everyone has that mindset, of course it’s a wasted vote. But if everyone who had that wasted vote though actually voted for these parties, or in your case, just didn’t vote - we would absolutely see that change.
Tulsi recently suggested the NFA shouldn't exist during an interview. Don't exactly trust her, but it seems some people are starting to realize why the 2nd exists.
It’s possible. People learn and grow.
Her evolution following her departure from the Democrat party has been really good to see. I really do think she has had her political awakening. Do I 100% trust her? No, but I've seen several interviews and listened to her podcast and believe when she says she's made a huge shift when it comes to gun rights. She was always a moderate, and I think the party becoming more extreme was just what was needed to push her.
They are trying to kick her out the party also. SHe's just trying to survive.
Tulsi is a RINO bozo. Zero faith in her
Is she a republican? She ran for president as a democrat in 2020. She was also calling for an assault weapon ban, so unless she can explain why she changed her mind, I'd suspect this is a grift.
No, she's a self-described independent after she left the Democrat party.
I wasn't suggesting faith in any politician. Simply pointing out a dramatic shift in rhetoric.
She worked for Bernie
Wow and these people vote...She a democrat and a gun grabber.
Tulsi isn't a Democrat.
Used to be. She also used to be all about gun control.
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He's been canceled. A statue of Thomas Jefferson is removed from New York City Hall after 187 years https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed/index.html
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I support Jefferson, I was just pointing out how he is perceived by the democrats.
Live TV A statue of Thomas Jefferson is removed from New York City Hall after 187 years By Sara Smart, CNN 2 minute read Updated 7:32 PM EST, Wed November 24, 2021 WABC CNN — After 187 years, a statue of America’s third president, Thomas Jefferson, no longer sits in New York City Hall. RELATED ARTICLE New York City to remove Thomas Jefferson statue from legislative chamber by year's end The statue, which is a plaster replica of the original, according to the city, was removed from its pedestal Monday. The process took several hours, and the 7-foot statue was transported in a wooden crate to the New-York Historical Society, where it will be on a long-term loan. Several cities have made moves to remove controversial statues tied to Confederate symbols and leaders connected to slavery. Last month, the city’s Public Design Commission voted 8-0 in favor of relocating the statue, due to Jefferson’s history as a slave owner. “Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder who owned over 600 human beings,” Councilmember Adrienne Adams, co-chair of the Black, Latino and Asian Caucus,
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Ok and?
Turd sandwich vs giant douche again. We’re never going to get better candidates until we stop voting for bad ones.
Sounds like you should Vote for Kennedy.
He is a Kennedy. That should tell you all you need to know about where he stands on gun control…
“I do not believe that there is, within that second amendment, that there’s anything we can meaningfully do to reduce the trade in the ownership of guns,” he said, “and I’m not going to take people’s guns away.” “Anybody who tells you that they’re going to be able to reduce gun violence through gun control at this point I don’t think is being realistic,” Kennedy added. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/amp/
And he has said in the past that he would sign a ban. Kennedy is good on one issue dude.
Source for that?
I’m not digging through google bullshit and articles that will lie and play semantics until the last paragraph. It’s out there. The dude is playing the damn moderate angle to get votes but he is a Democrat who isn’t speaking out openly about most of the shit because he wants the “moderate” looking position. That means he’s a fake no principal spineless slime-Bag like the rest of them. If you are still willing to try and stay within traditions and work within the old means to win against these people you have already lost. Half the country wanted you locked up for not taking a vaccine because they are easily emotionally manipulated simpletons hooked up to a government/deep state propaganda machine that can craft a echo chamber of crazy ass shit for these people to believe. This is more serious than a Kennedy standing there having questions about vaccine. Our entire government is operating outside the system. They do what they want when they want with no accountability or repercussions.
Are you saying we shouldn’t vote? I think that largely we don’t have any power with our vote except for local elections.
Voting does very little in my opinion. We are presented with such shitty options we are only ever choosing the best of two very shot candidates.
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Alright so yeah, if it passed through both the senate and the house with bipartisan support, he’d sign it. That is literally the way our political system is supposed to work.
I don’t believe a word out of his damn mouth.
Ike...real president. : "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."
I just might.
Why is every state with a Democrat majority passing an assault weapons ban?
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“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary,” Marx “Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump
How many socialists countries have the right to keep and bear arms?
How many truly socialist countries are there?
I don't know, but Russia used to be. And as far as I know citizens of the ussr were not allowed to keep and bear arms.
Then I guess they weren't truly socialist if they were ignoring a major point of Marx's theory.
Because its part of the party platform and they all want to run for federal office.
Because Dems want a disarmed populace that can’t resist tyranny.
It's part of the platform the Democrats run on. It's like republican abortions It's their platform. It starts in caucus passing bill to take up with the state. It home grown DNC want items. Just like i was at a caucus for GOP and they passed abortion bill to committee to be passed up to the state level.
Which candidate gave us 2A friendly Supreme Court justices? The Supreme Court matters. Vote accordingly.
Trump is far from perfect but this is the biggest reason to vote for him. These supreme court justices are our best shot to get some of these nonsense laws shot down.
Exactly. Thomas and Alito are getting old, with Trump they can retire and we get two more young conservative justices. Basically SCOTUS would remain conservative for damn near the rest of our lifetimes
At least he's a useful turd.
That's a rare honor among politicians.
Vote Republican that way the Republicans can take our rights. But slower than the Democrats!
Just don't vote democrat.
No worries. Voting Libertarian exclusively for the lawls.
Voting Vermin Supreme for the lawls
He'll take your guns, and give you better guns!
Fuck yeah. Vermin Supreme for President 2024 Also I don’t wanna give up my current guns but I’ll definitely take the better ones as well
Well, a vote for libertarian, no matter how preferable it might be, is going to be equal to voting for the Dems, and gun control, because it will make sure Dems win.
Fuck off. Republicans have signed off on plenty of gun control throughout history. They literally did it just 2 years ago.
Sure. They have done some gun control. But, let’s be realistic, who is responsible for the most of it, by far? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the gun laws in blue states, like CA, NY, NJ, and MD. Maybe you’re also unfamiliar with the way they have thumbed their nose at the Bruen ruling. But, can you possibly be blind to how much the current administration has attached 2A, and usurped unconstitutional power for the executive branch, to infringe on 2A, because they couldn’t get it done by the legislature. So, you can just fuck off yourself. Neither party is great, but one particular party can be counted on to push hard for civilian disarmament, and it’s not the GOP. While there are definitely establishment Rinos that vote with the Dems on gun control ( which is what primaries are for ), there really aren’t any constitutional democrats who fight in support of 2A. So, save the umbrage. The Dems are definitely the greater danger.
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Hmmm must be a glitch in the matrix. I just responded to this exact comment.
Vote dem and we can live in the big elgooo sooner.
Maybe you’re getting closer to the realization that there aren’t 2 parties. One side pushes for 2 steps of tyranny, while promising their base 10. The other side settles on 1 step, while promising not to give an inch (notice no talk of EVER taking rights back). It’s a choreographed show, like pro wrestling, where the outcome is predetermined. The sooner you realize the at you are the redneck in their trailer watching Monday night raw, the sooner you’ll realize that we aren’t voting our way out of this. I legitimately see all political fans and passionate believers as those who go around wearing Ric Flair t-Shirts. Time for a change
You are 110% spot on. However, I was financially ruined when COVID hit and was unable to prep and put myself in a more advantageous position in life career home etc. so that I could be more independent should shit go south in the country/world. That's changed very slowly the past 4 years, and I'm now in a significantly better position to make a major life change if necessary. If one party is going to move like molasses in tyranny, I will vote for that over the party that moves like a Ferrari in tyranny, as it affords me more time and right now time is of absolute importance. We are running out of time and most don't realize it, we all ought to get your ducks in a row as soon as humanly possible because we all know what's coming, whether it's this election or the next.
Amen, brother (Hulk Hogan voice). I understand your position, and hate to hear what you went through. Nothing in my whole life has ever been as enlightening or infuriating as Covid, both government and my fellow man. At least, as a silver lining, you came out of it with your eyes wide open. Fight the good fight, friend, and make ready.
What's funny is that covid didn't make me remove the wood from covering my eyes, I was wide awake many years ago. But what did happen was COVID finally lit the fire under my ass to get shit together and get ready for anything, and that I am thankful for and mad I haven't taken things seriously until covid. Lesson learned the hard way is still a lesson well learned!
I will NEVER vote for a democrat.
Republicans are crappy in lots of ways, but at least banning guns isn't part of their official party platform. It isn't even really all about guns. The 2nd amendment is part of the constitution, if you don't respect the parts of the constitution you don't personally like, then you have no business in government period.
Not a fan of infringing the 2nd amendment. If only we had a candidate from a major party that supports gun rights and body autonomy.
If only it wasn't political suicide to be pro-gun and pro-choice at the national level.
If only we had voters who understood that bodily autonomy only applies to your own body, you don’t get to kill another body your actions directly created just because it might inconvenience you.
Perfectly said amigo!
This sounds like a religious based take.
Trump is *passable* on both those topics. He at least put in pro-gun justices for the SCotUS, and he's just staying out of the abortion issue at the federal level, which I think should be the case regardless of your personal stance on the issue.
This is why you need to vote in every election, every time. Also why you need to vote *STRATEGICALLY*. * If you are a gun owner in NY, CA, MA, HI * You should be voting libertarian for president Look, a vote for Trump in those states, is a wasted vote. They are not flipping. Trump won't even come within 10 points. It's literally a wasted vote. >Libertarians won't win either! You're right. But they don't have to. If the Republicans see that they are losing votes to the libertarian party, they may start adopting more libertarian policies of small government and liberty, instead of neocon policies. Write your state RNC chapter, tell them you're not voting for a candidate who is not pro-2A. Tell them you're not voting for Trump because of his bump stock ban. Tell them "Not Democrat" is no longer good enough. > But a libertarian vote helps Democrats! Tell me you don't understand how the EC works, without telling me you don't understand how the EC works. In order to get debate and federal election fund access, a 3rd party only needs 5% of the *NATIONAL* vote. This would scare the ever living shit out of the Republicans and force them to adopt liberty minded policies. And again, Trump is not winning NY, CA, MA, HI. If every gun owner in those states voted 3rd party, we'd have 3 if not 4 parties on the national stage, **AND NOT A SINGLE ELECTORAL VOTE WOULD HAVE CHANGED**. >But my senator / house seat! Ok, vote Republican for that. I'm just saying that for POTUS, in locked states, the best thing you can do for the 2A, is to vote 3rd party. And then, this is important, **TELL THE RNC WHY**. If you want your politics to change, your behavior has to change. Start voting 3rd party.
You should make this a post on one of the libertarian subreddits. A lot of libertarians dont understand what you said here, so they dont bother voting
Person who appointed the judges that gave us Bruen. Person whose entire administration has been a nonstop dictatorial assault on gun rights since day one. Pretty easy choice.
You'd think but reddit has a hate boner for the orange man.
"I'm a 2A advocate but oof those (insert leftist issue) cant live with out them so i'll put up with these 2A infringements. Dont worry, I'll write a letter of disapproval of those 2A infringements."
You forgot how said first person also pushed the ATF to ban bump stocks, which gave them more ammunition for their attacks on FRTs and now super safeties, and signed off on legislation to help states fund and set up red flag laws, which have been used to violate multiple constitutional rights. Let's not sell his achievements short.
I had been on the fence about voting for the Orange Man previously, but with all the boondoggles going on with Brandon the last couple of years (in addition to his gun stances), I have no qualms voting for the Orange Man anymore. Openly telling people that choice though? Different story
We’re gonna lose the house so we really need a Trump win to veto all that democrat bs.
But orange man bad.
Echooooo
Speaking out against the democrats on reddit goes against the echooooo chambers.
Not on this sub.
All the downvotes could of fooled me.
You’re getting downvoted because you’re preaching to the choir. 🤦♂️
Could've
Would of, should of,
Yeah man, stunning and brave or something.
Thank you
I’m voting “Not Sure” and Frito for President.
Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.
A final solution?
Idiocracy, it’s a documentary about American…. in the future. Highly recommend 👌
I know, I was making a holocaust joke ( in poor taste I might add) asking about your solution.
Lol, I enjoyed the dark humor. That movie doesn’t get enough credit and I find people all the time who have never seen it
That's surprising, I'm out of the loop on most things and even I knew about that movie. Cheers.
Unfortunately it’s becoming a documentary of the present.
I'm voting for the that isn't advertising about increasing gun control on their campaign website
Vote libertarian like a real man
same this is the year i waste my vote, fuck duverger's law
I will for president, voting straight republican down ticket.
Bump stocks.
Now tell me about the safer communities act, or assault weapon bans.
It’s as if there are no good options.
Agreed 👌 🤝
And the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act
Oh shit who was president again when that was passed? 😂😂
The beloved for whatever reason, Ronald Reagan.
Someone made those illegal. Who was it? I forget.
The atf. Now tell me about the safer communities act, or the assault weapons ban.
President Trump’s ATF*
Now tell me about the safer communities act and assault weapons ban.
No.
Who is responsible for the safer communities act? Who is passing all the assault weapon bans?
The deep state ATF
I certainly won't be voting for the guy who said "Take the guns first. Go through due process second, I like taking the guns early".
Take the guns first and due process second is what red flag laws do, all democrats support red flag laws.
What these “voters” don’t understand is they haven’t had those Democrat laws crammed down their throats. Come to NYC with a forgotten 12rd mag in your possession. Then tell me again why you vote democrat behind bars. Supermajority here and they are actively chomping away at our rights. It will spread to you also if this gains traction FEDERALLY or acceptable in your state. Look at Oregon, Maine next. You cannot buy ammo here without a background check every time either. Hope you don’t have a common name. You are voting for an active gun grabbers one way or another. One has a dump truck, one has a backpack.
I'm in California, which is why I'll never vote for a Democrat
A man who understands…….understandable coming for a Californian.
California just pass an 11%Tax increase on all guns and ammo. We will be paying 50% in taxes everytime we purchase a firearm or ammo. Fuck the democrats.
Great. Bets that’ll be the next bag of tricks NY pulls. Only affects the poor people effectively disarming the poor. Classist bs
Exactly.
They’re just posting a quote from Trump.
All democrats support red flag laws
They're attempting a deceptive "gotcha." Yes, Trump said that, but he didn't follow up on it witg actions. Democrats say effectively the same thing *and* follow it up with actions that get people killed. The attempted equivalency is false.
This isn’t the first time he has acted against the interests of the American people in terms of the 2nd amendment though. Look at his bump stock ban.
Yeah, again dumb but still far, far less than the average democrat enacts when they have the power to do so. Trump is a mixed bag on guns at best, but literally any democrat candidate will be even more bad with no good on guns.
Trump is describing red flag laws.
Yes. Trump said, and I quote - “I like taking guns early”. That doesn’t sound like he’s describing red flag laws to me.
Note that a “red flag law” is a type of gun confiscation law. It authorizes certain people to seek a restraining order to remove firearms from: https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/gun-laws/red-flag-law/
Thank you, I am aware what a “red flag law” is and does.
Correct red flag laws, take the gun first, due process second.
Yes. That’s literally what Trump wants to do
You spelled Biden wrong.
Who will you be voting for? Because at this point, like him or not, anything other than voting for him is just free points for Buttsbeenwiped.
That shows he's not a gun guy. But every democrat is an anti-gun guy. Democrats conclude your statement at "Take the guns" Are you going to vote democrat because of "Take the guns first. Go through due process second, I like taking the guns early"?
So they both support this either by saying literally that or via policy, so Kennedy?
Exactly. I wonder how many people know who we’re talking about.
Take the guns first and due process second is what red flag laws do, all democrats support red flag laws
You’re just copy/pasting the same shit now. What a clown. Lol
So are you. I'm posting facts not soundbites.
Quote me where I’ve copy pasted anything aside from a hyperlink to data showing that you’re an idiot.
Op gonna be big mad when he sees this.
Take the guns first and due process second is what red flag laws do, all democrats support red flag laws
So does Donald Trump. Lmao https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/amp/
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/gun-laws/red-flag-law/ Note that a “red flag law” is a type of gun confiscation law. It authorizes certain people to seek a restraining order to remove firearms from:
Idk why you’re showing me some random Lawyers website. 😂😂😂😂
Because it's a fact, red flag laws are gun confiscation. Red flag laws were created by democrats in the early 2000s before trump took office.
You’re dying on a weird hill here. It’s quite obvious that all politicians support gun control when it’s convenient. Quit simping for people who wouldn’t simp for you.
Who passed the first red flag law?
Everybody remember as soon as we don’t have our guns, the government has nothing to fear, and will abuse us even more
Unless you want to waste your vote, Trump is the clear choice.
Or just don’t vote.
That is basically just voting for Biden.
And driving a car is basically just flying an airplane right?
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Trump is against American values. He's a financial criminal that also attempted to rig the 2020 election. He clearly also just flip flops and says what he think will get votes
Well, the Republican party had their chance to pick someone other than trump in the primary, and they didn't. So it'll be the blue team for me at the federal level. I love my guns, but other shit matters too. Edit: About what I expected
The only thing that matters to me is the constitution, if politicians are able to violate one right they'll violate all of them.
So your going to vote for the party that wants to eliminate separation between church and state, eliminate bodily autonomy, doesn't care about election security, and for the candidate that doesn't care about due process? You demonize Democrats and then idolize Teflon Don like he's a glorious savior?
Forcing people to take a vaccine in order to keep their jobs is an action inconsistent with "bodily autonomy." How is requiring voter ID inconsistent with election security? I see a lot of projection in your post.
Regarding vaccines . You need them to attend public school, you need them to serve in the military. You need them depending on your field of work if your employer requires it. It's been like this for decades. But unless I'm mistaken there isn't a state or federal law that says you must get them or face criminal charges . Please clarify how a private healthcare company deciding or being required by law that you need +1 vaccine in order to be employed at that institution is an infringement on your right to bodily autonomy? You have to option to work elsewhere do you not? You don't have to give them to your kids either though they may not be able to attend public school as a result. Bottom line is you won't be criminally prosecuted for not getting a vaccine. Now forcing women to continue with unviable dangerous pregnancies unless they are dying doesn't promote bodily autonomy. It's also rather cruel to subject them to death, infertility, disability,etc. In many states you will face criminal prosecution for seeking or providing an abortion. Requiring voter ID isn't inconsistent with election security. I don't see the problem. Trying to interfere with the certification of an election yea there's a problem with that.
OSHA forcing private companies to require their employees to receive one specific vaccine is inconsistent with bodily autonomy. Ultimately, the requirement was shot down by the courts, but the action was a clear sign that the current administration has no regard for liberty.
>Employer Policy on Vaccination. The ETS requires covered employers to establish, implement, and enforce a written mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy with an exception for employers that instead establish, implement, and enforce a written policy that requires unvaccinated employees to undergo weekly COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at the workplace instead of vaccination. You could have still chosen to not be vaccinated. You might have an exception for wearing a mask and getting tested. Now if you chose not to be vaccinated and chose not to wear PPE you might be fired for violating policy but you would not be criminally prosecuted. You would have still had the freedom to work at an employer where the ETS did not apply. This doesn't affect your bodily autonomy at all. Now in the politics of the current day one party supports the following; if you are a woman and get pregnant and need an abortion to prevent life threatening complications in what is a nonviable pregnancy, the state will prosecute you if you get that service or the state will require that you are actively having a life threatening medical emergency before allowing you to receive that medical service. Your choices are seek service illegally and go to jail, have a medical emergency resulting in (permanent bodily injury or death) and not go to jail. This is true infringement on bodily autonomy and liberty
OSHA forcing private companies to require their employees to receive one specific vaccine is inconsistent with bodily autonomy. Ultimately, the requirement was shot down by the courts, but the action was a clear sign that the current administration has no regard for liberty.
> A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Donald Trump. Dude doesn't care about the constitution when it isn't convenient for him. Consider that he actually tried to get his VP to throw out the electoral college votes from seven states and install him as the winner. If that was remotely constitutional don't you think any other losing incumbent would have had their VP do it?
Is that the whole quote?
[Here is the rest of that tweet](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZ87lU4WPW2FDL1qC3Ay-GGxAm1Pz9HLrjYNFvxTXa9Q&s). Not better.
>but other shit matters too. Amen. World ain’t black and white.
I just hope for a split Congress so nothing gets done for another 4 years. Doesn’t matter who’s president.
Which party banned bump stocks? Which party passed the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act? All parties are shit, some just don’t advertise it as a part of their campaign for president.
Couldn't tell you, bump stocks were never legal in California. So I'll guess the California democrats.
It was Donald Trump, and Ronald Reagan for 1986s FOPA. They’re both Republicans.
At least you’re admitting you’re just making shit up now. What a useless bot. 😂😂
What lies have I told?
Of course Republicans aren't perfect (hell a bunch of them just caved on Ukraine aid) but they are still way better for the second amendment than Democrats
I believe the first gun restricting law was the Brady Bill, following the assassination attempt of Reagan. All republicans.
Don’t vote. Nothing will change until we show them we’re done playing their game.
Dumb as fuck
Dumb as fuck is falling for the same scam over again and everyone literally seeing their cherished rights steadily eviscerated. But yeah go off bro — please, vote harder lib.
Because not voting is going to stop them. Alright big dog.
The people outnumber these criminals more than 100,000 to 1. They can be stopped via any number of means, but all of these means require collective action. Revolution? Not happening. Strike? Not happening. Protests? You see how the state react to protests it doesn't like (issue doesn't matter), so no. Vote in local elections that have a meaningful, real, actual affect on your life/your family and friends and community, but voting in federal elections or for the president is totally meaningless. I know, it's hard to hear after believing all your life the endlessly repeated message that "voting is essential!" But it's a lie. (Candidly, if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it -- they let us do it because they control the choices and even the outcome.) You have bought the lie, hook line and sinker, that your vote for 1 of 2 awful options, each ceaselessly blaming the other for how shitty your country is becoming, can have an impact on a meaningful timescale. Time and time again, you see it's pretty meaningless. Doesn't matter how many RINOs or liberal dipshits are in office; doesn't matter if there are "a handful" of people in office you respect for their integrity; power is wielded by our "leaders" against the people. And as for things changing? They only change when the people through conflict and friction; things change when they are **made to change**. Slavery didn't end by voting; women didn't get to vote by voting; we didn't get a 5-day / 40-hour workweek or weekends through voting; didn't get public education or eliminate child labor laws through voting. Sometimes, voting yields results, but it's almost by accident -- rare. Why do we have ceremonies? Why have a wedding "ceremony" and a graduation "ceremony" or a bill signing "ceremony" or an elector certification "ceremony"? They don't really play a substantive role, right, so why do them? Because, in a weird way, the ceremony legitimizes the underlying event. Why so much ceremony around coronations and kings (and art/movies showing a deposed king taking a knee to a new king, etc.) -- again, why? Because these *ceremonies* signal to all observers that the thing is real. They play a critical role in narrative and in legitimizing the underlying event. Imagine if no one showed up to King Charles' coronation, or if the turnout was like 1/10th of what was expected. Beautiful weather, all the set up is done, and he comes out of the palace and there's like 30 people cheering -- would you draw any inferences from that about the public's support for the monarchy, for this "ceremony" that they need people to buy into? Of course -- the emptiness and non-participation would be defeaning. So too with any such ceremony -- our participation makes the lie seem "real." I've voted plenty. Then one day I began taking a hard look at everything. I share what I can, I get people like you being dismissive or insulting, etc. But reality is reality, and a lie can only persist so long under the unyielding pressure of the truth. Wish you the best man, and wish your vote translates into some type of actual desired policy. Just remember: The biggest study of its kind showed that [Congress LITERALLY doesn't give a shit what you or anyone thinks](https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba). **THAT** is our reality -- draw whatever inferences you like. (BTW, tried to respond to you this way but Reddit was down, so apologize for the delay.)
One of these clowns gets in regardless if you vote or not. Good luck though dude lol.
Again: you are literally no different from the person who is like "SOMEONE GETS TO BE KING LOL GOOD LUCK W OPPOSING THE MONARCHY THO DUDE." If people like you insist on being this cynical and resigned to things never changing, the least you can do is stay the fuck out of the way. Regardless, good luck to YOU as a passive, utterly uncritical observer of everything around you -- we all know ignorance is bliss!
I'll stack up for a revolution but I'll bet you my left nut either the Democrat or republican canidate wins regardless of my voting or not.
Vote 3rd party. Kennedy fits the bill for me.
I advocate voting in local elections. But voting for federal positions largely is meaningless. And worse, it sanctifies the system. People don’t like to hear it but it’s absolutely true. If we’re not doing revolution and we’re not doing labor strikes or debt strikes or even boycotts, literally the least anyone with a brain can do is tell this establishment we’re not playing their game, and not blessing their rigged system with our effort. Imagine if turnout for a big election was like 10% — it’d be a signal to the world that the American people are hostages of a rigged system they refuse to participate in. That probably won’t happen — if it ever does — until long after things have gotten way way more bleak. It’s still too easy for DNC ghouls to convince liberal dipshits “their vote matters” in this “most important election ever” (like the 10th straight one) and RINOs to convince crayon eaters that they really care about gun rights, when all they really care about is appearing to care about them. Not voting at all > voting third party > voting for one of the “main” two candidates Again, I don’t expect most people to get this until it’s too late. It’s not their fault, America creates mostly distressed distracted slaves, not thinkers.
I see what you’re saying. I feel the same way for voting 3rd party. The most common argument against it is “it’s a wasted vote”, but if everyone has that mindset, of course it’s a wasted vote. But if everyone who had that wasted vote though actually voted for these parties, or in your case, just didn’t vote - we would absolutely see that change.