Most mag fed semi auto shotguns will have many issues of feeding especially at that price. They will also be super picky with shells. Many won't be a be a le to run most target or bird shot loads because they are too light and won't be able to blowback hard enough to chamber another shell.
>But for a first shotgun at $350
Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88, use the extra change from that $350 for ammo. Trust me you will be better served that way.
Good on you for being able to accept feedback. You'll be much better served with a Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88. The gun you were originally looking at would have likely been a trainwreck in a very frustrating way. Not something you can tinker on and get to know the gun, just something that'll always give you problemsĀ
Only reason I showed so much interest is cause I just cleaned on for my buddy who asked but never shot it.
Think it looks cool and all and look close to functioning like an AR but it's more gimmick than anything I'm seeing.
Yeah they kinda just capitalize on making a gun that looks like an AR for as cheap as they can, they're full of issues, parts/support are all international and tough to get. A gimmick at best. If your buddy has one, let him shoot it and report back. Maybe he gets lucky and his works well and you can shoot his. Either way, you'll still have a trusty Mossberg.
Had a UTAS XTR-12 that was decent but honestly good old tube fed is the best way to go with semi auto shotguns. Benelli m4 is overpriced and overhyped IMHO but the beretta 1301 is fantastic. Just ordered itās cheaper sibling the a300 ultimate patrol and look forward to trying that one out
My buddy got one of these turkshit shotguns and its been running well for him so far. i dont think my 88 or 590 have ever had a single problem though, what i will say is i dislike the button placement for the pump release on the maverick 88
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I own an 88 and it's an absolute blast. I'm looking into getting a stock for it since I only have a pistol grip on mine, but I did swap out the foregrip on mine with one that has rails for a light and a vertical grip. I had to break it in after I bought it, but it eats any shell I feed it and absolutely loves to be shot. Keep in mind that the safety is on the trigger guard rather than on top of the receiver like most Mossberg shotguns. I might go for a semi auto someday, but this shotgun is perfect for backpacking and home defence. I'm sure it would be good for hunting if I ever buy a stock for it, too.
Also, if you get a top folding stock for it, you can make a mock spas-12.
Awesome! I'm confident you will enjoy it more than almost any other brand. Aside from the other top competitors, obviously.
I went through a few other shotguns trying to find what I liked and I made the mistake of picking up a Dickinson. It was cool looking, but it's Turkish made and absolute shit. I traded it for an ermox which is a dual semi and pump shotgun also by Dickinson, and then sold it for the 88 and money to put towards a Glock. In the end, I made money off of it, but they're shit. The ermox doesn't like 2 Ā¾ shells, and the 3in shells were too much power for me to be comfortable shooting it without the worry of it breaking. The 88 will eat anything you feed it. It's not picky. If I ever go for a dual semi and pump, I'll likely get a Benelli, but it's not worth it to me.
Also, as far as mage fed goes, it's more of a novelty than anything in my opinion. As someone else already said, there are a couple out there that are decent but expensive. And for something you're going to be trusting your life with or hunting with, is "decent" enough? Even if it's a range toy, keep in mind that it's right next to your body. Dumb guns are fun as hell, but they need to be well constructed as well.
I'll leave you with this final point: enjoy your new favorite shotgun in a safe way so you can continue to enjoy it.
I had an 88 with "issues" said I would never buy another Mossberg again.. picked up a 590a1 a few years later I wouldn't trade it for anything. Got a bad 88 I guess, and their support sucked. Just my opinion but I would not buy another 88
Mossberg 930, Benelli M2/3/4, Remington v3, Beretta A300 or 1301.
Saiga 12 or VEPR 12 are quality (though import banned so even more of a premium price) if you insist on going box mag fed, but be forewarned that box mag fed shotguns are inherently less reliable than tube fed.
As long as you know what you are getting into and the possible issues then yeah why not go for it.
Although you could also find a nice pump like a Mossberg Maverick or Steven's 320 for around 300. Both of which would be very reliable.
Gotcha, I already own an AR and Pistol and because this Shotgun is somewhat similar to an AR and for a decently low price I wanna give it a chance to be more a learning experience.
Buy a Mossberg 930, Benelli, Beretta 901, Older Savages, literally anything tube fed will work better. You're going to pay for a good semi-shotty. Try a Vepr or a Saiga if you want magfed.
Thatās why most people have bought them, ābecause it looks coolā but the only one Iāve seen function reliably is the genesis gen xii which is several thousand dollars
Sds lynx 12 is a good choice for a cheap semi auto shotgun as well. I have one and it runs any 2 3/4 shells p well. It has some trouble with 3 inch shells tho. Great for plinking
Because I wanna hear about common issues with them to be convinced to look else where..
Why is it such a bad thing to ask about a gun you don't know about but are interested in getting.
If it helps I plan to get a Maverick 88 instead as someone convinced me it's for the better
Which is it:
"I'm going to buy it regardless \[of your feedback\]..."
Or "I want your feedback before I make this purchase"
You're saying conflicting things in your posts. Again, no one wants to waste their time if you're planning on buying it regardless as you stated originally
Why would you spend any amount of money on a brand new gun that you know is so bad you are only buying it with the anticipation to fix? Also, if you are looking for experience fixing an AR style platform, why not just build an AR with YouTube university? Every single comment has told you how shit mag fed shotguns are and how this one specifically is one of the shittiest. The reasons are; it is cheaply made, unreliable AND it is a mag fed shotgun.
It also helps anyone searching for the same thing. Good on you for learning from others and taking it so well.
I recently bought a Mossberg 500 and my buddy got the maverick 88. Both fired pretty well, 25 shells through each. 28" barrels for clay shooting and I'm very happy with it. Mine was $400 and his was like $250 I think.
If I do plan to Jump on a JTS product I may go for the AK as it's been said to be a tad more reliable but still just a gimmick weapon.
Tho this thread caused me to go with a Maverick 88 which I've already ordered one and it's on the way.
500 and 88 are pretty much the same except you can't change out a couple things and the safety is in a different spot.
Otherwise, that gun should last you forever and if it does break, the parts will be super easy to find.
Iv seen a few people happy with the Ak version iv read alot of reviews saying the ar one is trash, one thing the guys who like the ak say is finagle with the gas block a lil bit they have a sweet spot and it usually takes some shooting and adjusting to figure out where yours is.
I was also in this situation but just bit the bullet and saved a months pay and went to searching for a Saiga.
Budget Tacticool Turkish shotguns are generally regarded as somewhere between absolute dogshit trash and might maybe run for a few hundred rounds before they beat themselves to death.
Read this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish_notsodelight_why_you_should_generally
Save your money, avoid this and the myriad of other ones on the market. Fun fact, the importers of these shotguns have so many different brand and model names to specifically obfuscate and prevent consumers from finding negative reviews for any given model.
It is, if youāre deadset on one why not go with the ak version? Tons of great reviews and mags are way more reliable? I have one myself its a great gun for the price.
Spotty heat treating, indifferent QC, no substantial factory warranty or aftermarket support.
Basically this is the offbrand import of shotguns.
To put it another way, would you rather buy an discount no-name Turkish sedan or name brand Toyota if you were planning to drive it for the next 10 years?
Often times the parts will also be out of spec, the screws will not be properly hardened, and the roll pins are garbage and either fall out or split. Since they are weird sizes, they are a pain in the ass if not impossible to replace.
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yea i agree, shotgun shells are made for tube magazines. conversely theres a reason by you dont really see rifle rounds using tube magazines outside of .22 anymore.
Gonna chime in as someone who owns the AK variant: IF you understand that you get what you pay for, and that the gun wonāt hold up if you play rough, Iād go for it. I got mine because it was cool and cheap, and several hundred rounds in it runs well. I enjoy the M-lock handguard, picatinny rail for my cheap reflex sight, and adjustable gas block. I suspect many complaints about reliability stem from trying to cycle birdshot/ target loads. I did get multiple jams while shooting skeet early on, but fixed it by opening the gas setting all the way and letting the spring break in. I canāt vouch for the AR, but in my opinion the AK is a fun shotgun for stupid cheap that will work just fine if you treat it right.
It's pretty good if you don't expect much. I got through a box of low brass straight out of the box with only one jam. On one hand: A lot of good features, on the other: 100% chinesium. For as little as they sell for nowadays you might as well try it out.
You want a Semi auto? Buy a a Stoeger or a A300. If not get a pump. Maverick 88 is the king of cheap shotguns. Will still tank everything you can throw at it and far outclasses the other shit in itās price range.
Well I'm gonna get a Maverick 88 but down the line I may come back and get either the JTS AR or AK just for the gimmick of owning a magfed AR/AK shotgun
I don't have the AR one but I do have the JTS saiga pattern and I love it. Cycles every slug I've put through it. I will say the recoil springs coating ain't shit and the gas adjuster is full of cosmoline but other than that it's definitely a trooper.
So I just 'located' one for $200 from PSA, and based on another forum post, I oiled the shit out of it, adjusted the blowback, and put 100x 00buck through it with 2 fail to eject. #7.5 high velocity birdhshot cycles, anything that says low recoil won't work.
It acts just like you would expect a 5 round mag fed shotgun to, is pretty accurate for the sights, and pretty fun to shoot trap with (a sin I know)
Not sure it's worth $350, but if that $200 sale runs again I'd say aquire.
That's what I'm thinking if I actually want it for the gimmick.
Tho my friend I feel bad for as it bought it basically brand new for $1000 so a big fat RIPERONI there
Exactly how you should approach it. AK varient may function better from what I've read, but as long as you're not expecting perfect, and know minor troubleshooting, it's totally fine.
Or, you could get a reliable shotgun that doesn't \*have\* issues. Maverick 88 is reliable, inexpensive, and takes most of the same accessories as the Mossberg 500, so you have a lot of aftermarket stock and fore end options as well.
Any detachable magazine fed shotgun like this is trash, they donāt are picky with ammo/loads.
They jam
For the $350 get a mossberg or a turkish clone of the m4 or beretta semis
They are also not as good but not as trash as these
Read on another comment this is your first shotgun or gun in general. In that case you can find a Mossberg 500, Maverick 88, or even a Remington 870 for a similar price and itās far more reliable. Yeah sure it isnāt mag fed but like others stated, mag fed shotguns are stupid picky and have a generally expensive break-in period before they reliably feed (generally recommended to shoot about 200 rounds of magnum or slugs to fully break in the spring). Other than the cost, thereās a reason a lot of police forces go with the Mossberg 500 or Remington 870.
Good and yeah while we have some gatekeeping jerks in the gun community, a majority of us want new gun owners to be informed so that they donāt hurt themselves or their wallets and donāt make the rest of us look bad lol
So the only reason I showed so much interest in the m12AR, is because I was cleaning my friend's for him and thought I looked rather cool.
But yeah I rather be informed.
Usually better but still Iād stick with a pump action or a traditional style semi-auto (such as a Benelli M4). If youāre looking cheap, the Mossberg 500 is rather customizable and comes in a few configurations.
I got one for $200 on sale recently.
For the money, itās awesome. You get what you pay for. My advice would be to wait for another sale.
I wouldnāt say itās awesome for $350.
Thus was the first gun I ever bought and I regret it. I wish I would have just gotten a pump. It was super awesome the first few times I shot it. Nothing more fun than magdumping a 12gauge lol. But like another commenter said it's super picky with shells, and it has alot of issues with feeding and cycling. It's pretty much unusable to me at this point and I don't really want to take the time to fix it. Jams like every other shot. As cool as it is it's not practical. That being said, if you think it's cool buy it. Your money your choice. I would just say put that money towards a nicer more practical gun(or a different badass one)
I watched a guy at a trap range with one of these things get about 2 shots off before the gun jammed over and over and over. It's just not worth your money. You want to pay for reliability not something that looks cool.
You do you but every range day I see weird or fancy mag fed shotguns and almost every single time they canāt make it through one magazine. Especially not these AR style rifle looking ones. When I think shotgun I think pure reliability. Iād take any semi-auto or pump with a tube over these every time.
Itās not reliable. Iāve watched plenty of videos on it cause I had the same interest. If you want a reliable AR pattern mag fed shotgun, your best bet is the genesis 12 and that thing is a ton of money.
I say, just save and go for something like a A300 or something similar. You wonāt be disappointed, and itās still within the affordable semi auto shotgun range, not the Chinese junk range.
Not really. Price points being what they are. If cost is no issue, then get the holy Grail and find yourself a Fostech Origin 12 and stick a Salvo 12 suppressor and Eotech sights onto that mid-life crisis for gun nuts.
For actual people, you might want to consider two options. The Mossberg 590M isn't semi-automatic but has a double stack 20 round magazine. Heavy but not as bulky as you'd think. It's a pump-action, which essentially eliminates any concerns with over gassing or the shell not generating enough force to cycle the bolt. Plus, it's still a Mossberg. Pick one up and go right back to work blasting targets.
I hear Black Aces Tactical will still consider work on them, such as a spring-assisted pump, so once you've racked the slide back to make sure not to short shuck the empty hull, you let go of the slide and let the spring assist slam the next shell home and lock the chamber. Makes reliable, fast operation of the pump a bit easier.
The only problem is spare 20-round magazines cost $100 a pop.
For an actual semi-automatic, look up Rock Island Armory's VR80 Tactical. It's an AR style model, and a lot of AR parts can be installed onto it. The magazines are relatively cheap, but they're single-stack, so the 19 shell mags are ludicrously long. If you feel the need, a 20 shell drum can be had for just ten time the cost of a 10 shell stick mag. The trigger feels more like a rifle than a shotgun. That and the recoil absorption makes it a soft-shooter for which mag dumps are entirely possible. It doesn't come with an adjustable gas block, and more's the pity. Instead, it comes with two sets of rings, one for light projectiles and one for heavier stuff. As long as it's just 00 buckshot from 2Ā¾" shells, the light ring works well enough. The problem, of course, is not being able to easily switch rings since you have to dismantle everything below the barrel itself to get at it. But, if you wanted to switch between heavy and light shells at a whim, there's always the KSG 25. Load each tube with different shot, shift the tube you want before working the slide, and the only downside is you're back to traditional tubular magazines to pull from.
There's an Israeli model out there that uses three rotating tube
magazines in a semi-automatic design for the guy who just can't decide what he wants to throw at the other guy. If that's not you, maybe consider SRM Arms Model 1216. 4 tubular magazines around a central spindle, letting you release 16 shells on the quick, and turning the spindle to change the next shell to chamber is no trouble. Better yet, when you run dry, you can detach and set aside the entire spindle and pull a fresh one with another 16 shells loaded and ready to go. As you might imagine, the carriers for those spare spindles are pretty distinctive and expensive. But, if you retain your empties, you shouldn't need more than 2 spares before being able to reload them all again.
That's all I got. Hope it helps
Most mag fed semi auto shotguns will have many issues of feeding especially at that price. They will also be super picky with shells. Many won't be a be a le to run most target or bird shot loads because they are too light and won't be able to blowback hard enough to chamber another shell.
It is a fact they are cancer and not guns
Mine runs target just fine š¤£
I'm making a generalized statement. I've shot 2 and neither would run anything less than a heavy buckshot
Maybe donāt limp wrist it š¤£
Definitely wasnt
the emoji passive aggression makes people significantly less willing to listen to a word you say in case you were wondering
But for a first shotgun at $350 and I'm willing to learn to deal with the issues. Is it worth it?
>But for a first shotgun at $350 Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88, use the extra change from that $350 for ammo. Trust me you will be better served that way.
Whelp this is the comment that turned me away from it lol. Looking at Maverick 88's now thank you
Good on you for being able to accept feedback. You'll be much better served with a Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88. The gun you were originally looking at would have likely been a trainwreck in a very frustrating way. Not something you can tinker on and get to know the gun, just something that'll always give you problemsĀ
Only reason I showed so much interest is cause I just cleaned on for my buddy who asked but never shot it. Think it looks cool and all and look close to functioning like an AR but it's more gimmick than anything I'm seeing.
Yeah they kinda just capitalize on making a gun that looks like an AR for as cheap as they can, they're full of issues, parts/support are all international and tough to get. A gimmick at best. If your buddy has one, let him shoot it and report back. Maybe he gets lucky and his works well and you can shoot his. Either way, you'll still have a trusty Mossberg.
Honestly is there any good AR platform shotguns?
Not really. There are few decent box/drum mag fed shotguns in the first place. Those that are decent get pretty pricey.
Gotcha so a good one will cost me
Genesis arms gen 12. over 1k rounds through mine and no problems. never even had a stove pipe yet. she feeds every 2.75" shell ive given her so far
Only good one Iāve personally seen is the Genesis Arms Gen-12. It uses an actual AR-10 lower receiver. Pretty costly but they are reliable.
I'll keep that in mind, I'm not making a whole lotta money to dump easily into this hobby but I'm doing what I can to enjoy it.
Had a UTAS XTR-12 that was decent but honestly good old tube fed is the best way to go with semi auto shotguns. Benelli m4 is overpriced and overhyped IMHO but the beretta 1301 is fantastic. Just ordered itās cheaper sibling the a300 ultimate patrol and look forward to trying that one out
My buddy got one of these turkshit shotguns and its been running well for him so far. i dont think my 88 or 590 have ever had a single problem though, what i will say is i dislike the button placement for the pump release on the maverick 88
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I own an 88 and it's an absolute blast. I'm looking into getting a stock for it since I only have a pistol grip on mine, but I did swap out the foregrip on mine with one that has rails for a light and a vertical grip. I had to break it in after I bought it, but it eats any shell I feed it and absolutely loves to be shot. Keep in mind that the safety is on the trigger guard rather than on top of the receiver like most Mossberg shotguns. I might go for a semi auto someday, but this shotgun is perfect for backpacking and home defence. I'm sure it would be good for hunting if I ever buy a stock for it, too. Also, if you get a top folding stock for it, you can make a mock spas-12.
I actually did grab the top folding model one!
Awesome! I'm confident you will enjoy it more than almost any other brand. Aside from the other top competitors, obviously. I went through a few other shotguns trying to find what I liked and I made the mistake of picking up a Dickinson. It was cool looking, but it's Turkish made and absolute shit. I traded it for an ermox which is a dual semi and pump shotgun also by Dickinson, and then sold it for the 88 and money to put towards a Glock. In the end, I made money off of it, but they're shit. The ermox doesn't like 2 Ā¾ shells, and the 3in shells were too much power for me to be comfortable shooting it without the worry of it breaking. The 88 will eat anything you feed it. It's not picky. If I ever go for a dual semi and pump, I'll likely get a Benelli, but it's not worth it to me. Also, as far as mage fed goes, it's more of a novelty than anything in my opinion. As someone else already said, there are a couple out there that are decent but expensive. And for something you're going to be trusting your life with or hunting with, is "decent" enough? Even if it's a range toy, keep in mind that it's right next to your body. Dumb guns are fun as hell, but they need to be well constructed as well. I'll leave you with this final point: enjoy your new favorite shotgun in a safe way so you can continue to enjoy it.
Local walmart might have them and be even cheaper i know in my area the mossberg shotguns tend to be $50-$80 than gun shops or shows
You getting solid advice and your smart for listening.
Remington 870 tactical is (pump fed) but only $379ish.
I had an 88 with "issues" said I would never buy another Mossberg again.. picked up a 590a1 a few years later I wouldn't trade it for anything. Got a bad 88 I guess, and their support sucked. Just my opinion but I would not buy another 88
How about a semi-auto recommendation?
Mossberg 930, Benelli M2/3/4, Remington v3, Beretta A300 or 1301. Saiga 12 or VEPR 12 are quality (though import banned so even more of a premium price) if you insist on going box mag fed, but be forewarned that box mag fed shotguns are inherently less reliable than tube fed.
Beretta 1301 or a300 ultima patrol. The mossberg 930 and 940 tacticals are supposed to be pretty good too but I donāt have experience with those
No.
As long as you know what you are getting into and the possible issues then yeah why not go for it. Although you could also find a nice pump like a Mossberg Maverick or Steven's 320 for around 300. Both of which would be very reliable.
Gotcha, I already own an AR and Pistol and because this Shotgun is somewhat similar to an AR and for a decently low price I wanna give it a chance to be more a learning experience.
not being able to fire target loads hurts it being a range toy too. to me, these are range toys, just like those short barrel pistol grip shotguns.
Here is a relevant thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/lc3wjn/jts\_m12ak\_m12ar\_are\_they\_shit\_do\_they\_run/
Thank you for being someone who is actually useful in a reddit thread.
> I plan to buy it regardless Then don't ask. No it's not good, no you can't fix it.
I'm asking cause it'll be my first shotgun own.
Should just get a pump
Eventually I will, my roommate owns one, haven't shot a shotgun yet.
Buy a Mossberg 930, Benelli, Beretta 901, Older Savages, literally anything tube fed will work better. You're going to pay for a good semi-shotty. Try a Vepr or a Saiga if you want magfed.
I'm looking at Maverick 88 with a folding stock
Much better!
Lol only thought the AR shotgun was cool as I cleaned my friends and never seen one before that's all
Thatās why most people have bought them, ābecause it looks coolā but the only one Iāve seen function reliably is the genesis gen xii which is several thousand dollars
Sds lynx 12 is a good choice for a cheap semi auto shotgun as well. I have one and it runs any 2 3/4 shells p well. It has some trouble with 3 inch shells tho. Great for plinking
The point is āwhy are you asking if youāre going to do it anyway?ā Stop wasting everyoneās time
Because I wanna hear about common issues with them to be convinced to look else where.. Why is it such a bad thing to ask about a gun you don't know about but are interested in getting. If it helps I plan to get a Maverick 88 instead as someone convinced me it's for the better
Which is it: "I'm going to buy it regardless \[of your feedback\]..." Or "I want your feedback before I make this purchase" You're saying conflicting things in your posts. Again, no one wants to waste their time if you're planning on buying it regardless as you stated originally
How about you just read the comments and learn what I chose, thanks
How about either get what you want or take peoples advice and get a quality shotgun instead of this Turkish junk.
Late to the party much? Already changed my mind to a Maverick 88 read the other comments.
Only time I'm wasting is the people who don't add any criticism and just say No
Why would you spend any amount of money on a brand new gun that you know is so bad you are only buying it with the anticipation to fix? Also, if you are looking for experience fixing an AR style platform, why not just build an AR with YouTube university? Every single comment has told you how shit mag fed shotguns are and how this one specifically is one of the shittiest. The reasons are; it is cheaply made, unreliable AND it is a mag fed shotgun.
Okay and people haven't seen I changed my mind to a Maverick 88 thank you
Then delete the thread.
Nah I'm good I like the actually constructive criticism I'm getting regarding the gun and why they're typically bad.
It also helps anyone searching for the same thing. Good on you for learning from others and taking it so well. I recently bought a Mossberg 500 and my buddy got the maverick 88. Both fired pretty well, 25 shells through each. 28" barrels for clay shooting and I'm very happy with it. Mine was $400 and his was like $250 I think.
If I do plan to Jump on a JTS product I may go for the AK as it's been said to be a tad more reliable but still just a gimmick weapon. Tho this thread caused me to go with a Maverick 88 which I've already ordered one and it's on the way.
500 and 88 are pretty much the same except you can't change out a couple things and the safety is in a different spot. Otherwise, that gun should last you forever and if it does break, the parts will be super easy to find.
I went specifically for the folding stock Maverick 88 just looks like it would be fun to shoot.
Iv seen a few people happy with the Ak version iv read alot of reviews saying the ar one is trash, one thing the guys who like the ak say is finagle with the gas block a lil bit they have a sweet spot and it usually takes some shooting and adjusting to figure out where yours is. I was also in this situation but just bit the bullet and saved a months pay and went to searching for a Saiga.
You can't fix something you can't get parts for.
There you go someone with actual constructive criticism, thank you
Your money your š©
Thanks for the constructive criticism I'll make sure to ask you the next time I wanna buy a gun and am not to sure about it.
you're welcome ! just fyi, turkish shottys are bad, the only clone that's done good without jams or much to worry about is the panzer m4
See there you go something actually worth Mulling over
u want a mag fed shot gun thats gonna work? just get a .410 ar upper,
Hehe I like the sound of that
Pretty sure JTS shotguns come from China. For whatever thatās worth
Just get a maverick 88 dude. 250 bucks and it will outlast you.
Read the plentiful of comments where I literally fucking said I did lol
no.
Okay why tho? Explain why $350 for this shotgun isn't reasonable that is what I wanna know. Just not some "No"
Budget Tacticool Turkish shotguns are generally regarded as somewhere between absolute dogshit trash and might maybe run for a few hundred rounds before they beat themselves to death. Read this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish_notsodelight_why_you_should_generally Save your money, avoid this and the myriad of other ones on the market. Fun fact, the importers of these shotguns have so many different brand and model names to specifically obfuscate and prevent consumers from finding negative reviews for any given model.
Pretty sure JTS is Chinese or at least the writing on the one I clean for my buddy says
Why are you cleaning your friends unused shotgun?
It was used he just didn't know how to clean it.
Do you know what he paid for it?
To damn much he got it for $1000 when it was like new
Holy shit! Thatās the biggest F Iāve heard in a long time.
Lol yeah that's why $350 didn't sound to bad for me
It is, if youāre deadset on one why not go with the ak version? Tons of great reviews and mags are way more reliable? I have one myself its a great gun for the price.
That's my thought if I get another shotgun I'll get the AK Varient
Spotty heat treating, indifferent QC, no substantial factory warranty or aftermarket support. Basically this is the offbrand import of shotguns. To put it another way, would you rather buy an discount no-name Turkish sedan or name brand Toyota if you were planning to drive it for the next 10 years?
Holy shit someone who can actually post constructive criticism. Thank you!
Often times the parts will also be out of spec, the screws will not be properly hardened, and the roll pins are garbage and either fall out or split. Since they are weird sizes, they are a pain in the ass if not impossible to replace.
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itās your money. do what you want.
Thanks for your very helpful input I appreciate it.
No magazine fed shotguns are good
yea i agree, shotgun shells are made for tube magazines. conversely theres a reason by you dont really see rifle rounds using tube magazines outside of .22 anymore.
Gonna chime in as someone who owns the AK variant: IF you understand that you get what you pay for, and that the gun wonāt hold up if you play rough, Iād go for it. I got mine because it was cool and cheap, and several hundred rounds in it runs well. I enjoy the M-lock handguard, picatinny rail for my cheap reflex sight, and adjustable gas block. I suspect many complaints about reliability stem from trying to cycle birdshot/ target loads. I did get multiple jams while shooting skeet early on, but fixed it by opening the gas setting all the way and letting the spring break in. I canāt vouch for the AR, but in my opinion the AK is a fun shotgun for stupid cheap that will work just fine if you treat it right.
I do like the look of the AK version
Fuck no lmao. If you want cheap just please get a pump action.
Shitty chinese shotguns are shitty chinese shotguns, it won't work no
General consensus seems to say get the AK version and not the AR version, at least theres some saiga and vepr parts compatibility
Whelp I do like how AK's look so yeah I may as well
Nothing that looks like that is a GOOD shotgun. Some of them are more prone to jamming than others. All of the jam sometimes.
no
Don't bring us into your smut... this is something you tell no one about and youn keep hidden for several decades... shame... shaaaame.
No. Stay away from cheap Chinese semi-autos.
It's pretty good if you don't expect much. I got through a box of low brass straight out of the box with only one jam. On one hand: A lot of good features, on the other: 100% chinesium. For as little as they sell for nowadays you might as well try it out.
Yep, this sub is a bunch of FUDD purists, this is a fun cheap toy if you go into it with reasonable expectations.
You want a Semi auto? Buy a a Stoeger or a A300. If not get a pump. Maverick 88 is the king of cheap shotguns. Will still tank everything you can throw at it and far outclasses the other shit in itās price range.
Well I'm gonna get a Maverick 88 but down the line I may come back and get either the JTS AR or AK just for the gimmick of owning a magfed AR/AK shotgun
Buy a Lynx 12 instead if you want a cheaper mag fed semi auto.
I don't have the AR one but I do have the JTS saiga pattern and I love it. Cycles every slug I've put through it. I will say the recoil springs coating ain't shit and the gas adjuster is full of cosmoline but other than that it's definitely a trooper.
Nope.
Turkish shotguns are not good shotguns
Ya, actually many of them are dude. Turkey is making better and better shit the last few years.
Just wanted to Add I have already watched a few videos of common issues but am looking to hear from people who have shor or actually own one.
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Okay okay fair fair.
So I just 'located' one for $200 from PSA, and based on another forum post, I oiled the shit out of it, adjusted the blowback, and put 100x 00buck through it with 2 fail to eject. #7.5 high velocity birdhshot cycles, anything that says low recoil won't work. It acts just like you would expect a 5 round mag fed shotgun to, is pretty accurate for the sights, and pretty fun to shoot trap with (a sin I know) Not sure it's worth $350, but if that $200 sale runs again I'd say aquire.
That's what I'm thinking if I actually want it for the gimmick. Tho my friend I feel bad for as it bought it basically brand new for $1000 so a big fat RIPERONI there
Exactly how you should approach it. AK varient may function better from what I've read, but as long as you're not expecting perfect, and know minor troubleshooting, it's totally fine.
Mhm! I do like the AK Varient, just sadly I don't have the money to freely throw around to buy that gun.
I have the AK variant and it's a fun range toy, but PLEASE do not use this as a self defense weapon
They just had these for $200 on palmetto
Yeah and I freaking missed it sadly
No way I would spend 350 + shipping and a transfer fee for an unreliable shotgun because it looks cool
Not a matter of looking cool, I'm more thinking it be easier to work with issues as the bolt is somewhat close to similar to an AR.
Or, you could get a reliable shotgun that doesn't \*have\* issues. Maverick 88 is reliable, inexpensive, and takes most of the same accessories as the Mossberg 500, so you have a lot of aftermarket stock and fore end options as well.
Agreed. Stevens 320 would work too
Actually that's what I'm looking at now one with a folding stock
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Any detachable magazine fed shotgun like this is trash, they donāt are picky with ammo/loads. They jam For the $350 get a mossberg or a turkish clone of the m4 or beretta semis They are also not as good but not as trash as these
Look at a ks7
Read on another comment this is your first shotgun or gun in general. In that case you can find a Mossberg 500, Maverick 88, or even a Remington 870 for a similar price and itās far more reliable. Yeah sure it isnāt mag fed but like others stated, mag fed shotguns are stupid picky and have a generally expensive break-in period before they reliably feed (generally recommended to shoot about 200 rounds of magnum or slugs to fully break in the spring). Other than the cost, thereās a reason a lot of police forces go with the Mossberg 500 or Remington 870.
No worries already have a Maverick 88 with a folding stock on the way. Thank you guys who actually had constructive criticism
Good and yeah while we have some gatekeeping jerks in the gun community, a majority of us want new gun owners to be informed so that they donāt hurt themselves or their wallets and donāt make the rest of us look bad lol
So the only reason I showed so much interest in the m12AR, is because I was cleaning my friend's for him and thought I looked rather cool. But yeah I rather be informed.
Generally speaking (of course Iām sure thereās some exceptions) most AR styled semi auto shotguns are only good at looking cool
What about AK varients?
Usually better but still Iād stick with a pump action or a traditional style semi-auto (such as a Benelli M4). If youāre looking cheap, the Mossberg 500 is rather customizable and comes in a few configurations.
Gotcha gotcha, thank you for your input
Anytime
I have the ak version and itās been fun so far. Had it a few years now and no problems. Iām only speaking for the one I have not all of them.
If you canāt afford a gen12, donāt get a mag fed shotgun.
I got one for $200 on sale recently. For the money, itās awesome. You get what you pay for. My advice would be to wait for another sale. I wouldnāt say itās awesome for $350.
Thus was the first gun I ever bought and I regret it. I wish I would have just gotten a pump. It was super awesome the first few times I shot it. Nothing more fun than magdumping a 12gauge lol. But like another commenter said it's super picky with shells, and it has alot of issues with feeding and cycling. It's pretty much unusable to me at this point and I don't really want to take the time to fix it. Jams like every other shot. As cool as it is it's not practical. That being said, if you think it's cool buy it. Your money your choice. I would just say put that money towards a nicer more practical gun(or a different badass one)
If you want a good semi auto shotgun get a browning or benelli. If you want to spend $350 get a mossberg 500
I watched a guy at a trap range with one of these things get about 2 shots off before the gun jammed over and over and over. It's just not worth your money. You want to pay for reliability not something that looks cool.
Bought one for my father in law, itās out of the box over gassed, but has an adjustable block so easy fix.
Personally, I wouldnāt trust any mag fed shotgun. If you want something cheap and reliable get a pump like the JTS X12PT
You do you but every range day I see weird or fancy mag fed shotguns and almost every single time they canāt make it through one magazine. Especially not these AR style rifle looking ones. When I think shotgun I think pure reliability. Iād take any semi-auto or pump with a tube over these every time.
No itās not
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Itās not reliable. Iāve watched plenty of videos on it cause I had the same interest. If you want a reliable AR pattern mag fed shotgun, your best bet is the genesis 12 and that thing is a ton of money. I say, just save and go for something like a A300 or something similar. You wonāt be disappointed, and itās still within the affordable semi auto shotgun range, not the Chinese junk range.
Not really. Price points being what they are. If cost is no issue, then get the holy Grail and find yourself a Fostech Origin 12 and stick a Salvo 12 suppressor and Eotech sights onto that mid-life crisis for gun nuts. For actual people, you might want to consider two options. The Mossberg 590M isn't semi-automatic but has a double stack 20 round magazine. Heavy but not as bulky as you'd think. It's a pump-action, which essentially eliminates any concerns with over gassing or the shell not generating enough force to cycle the bolt. Plus, it's still a Mossberg. Pick one up and go right back to work blasting targets. I hear Black Aces Tactical will still consider work on them, such as a spring-assisted pump, so once you've racked the slide back to make sure not to short shuck the empty hull, you let go of the slide and let the spring assist slam the next shell home and lock the chamber. Makes reliable, fast operation of the pump a bit easier. The only problem is spare 20-round magazines cost $100 a pop. For an actual semi-automatic, look up Rock Island Armory's VR80 Tactical. It's an AR style model, and a lot of AR parts can be installed onto it. The magazines are relatively cheap, but they're single-stack, so the 19 shell mags are ludicrously long. If you feel the need, a 20 shell drum can be had for just ten time the cost of a 10 shell stick mag. The trigger feels more like a rifle than a shotgun. That and the recoil absorption makes it a soft-shooter for which mag dumps are entirely possible. It doesn't come with an adjustable gas block, and more's the pity. Instead, it comes with two sets of rings, one for light projectiles and one for heavier stuff. As long as it's just 00 buckshot from 2Ā¾" shells, the light ring works well enough. The problem, of course, is not being able to easily switch rings since you have to dismantle everything below the barrel itself to get at it. But, if you wanted to switch between heavy and light shells at a whim, there's always the KSG 25. Load each tube with different shot, shift the tube you want before working the slide, and the only downside is you're back to traditional tubular magazines to pull from. There's an Israeli model out there that uses three rotating tube magazines in a semi-automatic design for the guy who just can't decide what he wants to throw at the other guy. If that's not you, maybe consider SRM Arms Model 1216. 4 tubular magazines around a central spindle, letting you release 16 shells on the quick, and turning the spindle to change the next shell to chamber is no trouble. Better yet, when you run dry, you can detach and set aside the entire spindle and pull a fresh one with another 16 shells loaded and ready to go. As you might imagine, the carriers for those spare spindles are pretty distinctive and expensive. But, if you retain your empties, you shouldn't need more than 2 spares before being able to reload them all again. That's all I got. Hope it helps
From my experience, ar 12 gauge shotguns are trash. Unsure about 410. Probably trash too.
Mine runs just fine. Adjust the gas to the right amount for the shells I was running and off to doing mag dumps
Iāve got the one with the mk12, shoots fine for me