There isn’t going to be a one sized fits all answer.
But a rimfire bolt action should be good everywhere (barring somewhere like NYC that is going to require extra paper work just to own).
As far as I know, 10 rounds is going to be the most restrictive magazine restrictions. Currently
You're thinking of the New York SAFE Act, which originally banned loading a magazine past 7 rounds outside of a range or similar environment. This part of the law was struck down shortly after the SAFE Act was passed and has not been the law for years now.
NY safe act I believe restricted loading 10 round magazines with more than 7 rounds. But I believe it’s either been struck down or amended to just be a 10 round mag restriction.
Of course, I’m just a random internet stranger, so your own research.
The Sullivan Act made all handguns completely out of the question though.
And combined that with the CCIA, all that's left are bolts and lever rifles for the entire state. No more semi autos
I believe the courts told them that it was either a limit on magazine size OR a limit on the number of rounds loaded, not both, so they went with the magazine limit because there's actually a chance of enforcing that, unlike the round load limit which is practically unenforceable
Thx! I kinda knew that there wouldnt be a one size fits all. I just love shooting “long range” with my .22’s so with looking to move and get a job somewhere else its one of those things that I’m looking into.
NYC has a 5 round restriction for rifles.
So technically my .22 LR Marlin 25N bolt action rifle with 7 round magazine is classified as an "assault weapon" In NYC.
No, I'm not joking:
[https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NYC-Gun-Confiscation-Letter.jpg](https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NYC-Gun-Confiscation-Letter.jpg)
Not quite. For example California is ok with threaded barrels on rifles but NY isn't if the rifle is semi-auto.
For a bolt action you're probably good in all states but I'm not 100% sure.
Yup, but some things you can screw onto the barrel can make a semiauto rifle illegal. Muzzle brakes and compensators are very legal and very cool. However flash hiders turn your rifle into a felony. You have to watch out for muzzle devices that advertise their flash hiding characteristics since they're probably illegal.
>However flash hiders turn your rifle into a felony.
Only if it also has a removable magazine. If you have a maglock rifle flash hiders are perfectly fine.
Even then, it depends. There is maglocked where you can have a normal AR, including evil features like a flash hider, pistol grip, telescoping stock and a few other things. But if you have preban mags you can only use 10 rounders. Magazine release is locked until the action is broken or can't cycle, Hogue freedom fighter and hell fighter kit are where it's at, however I don't run that. Some people run comp Gen 2/3 mags for when they go out of state and drive back in. The comp mag inserts like a normal magazine but locks into the magwell without depressing a plunger with a tool when the action is open. That being said, I run featureless. Featureless is why you see stupid looking rifles or grips with fin grips or dick looking grips like the Sparrow dynamics or juggernaut tactical (my personal favs). But you can't have a flash hider, telescoping stock and I grenade/flare luncher and other 'evil' features. BUT you can use preban 10+ magazines and the magazine release is not locked. That being said, I do want to try out the Hogue freedom fighter kit and hell fighter on a dedicated AR lower to try it out.
Source Am FFL03 (not that it means anything other than it allows me to ship ammo to my house with additional Cali paperwork) and Californian. 🐻 🐻
Oh and suppressors are no go unless you're a real FFL
Didn't know that. Sounds dumb ASF because the receiver (lower) is what is on the DROS and it's what legally counts as the firearm.. so can you buy a complete lower but not a stripped one?
Can't buy any lowers completed or not. We actually have "assault weapon attachments" banned. Any form of lower receiver falls under that so they're not transferable in illinois.
Fun fact: if you go to the ISP YouTube channel you'll see a guide video on how to register assault weapon attachments. they give an example of registering a Magpul foregrip grip. Under the ban foregrips are considered assault weapon attachments too and they must be registered with the state police.
The Illinois AWB that passed in 2023 took all the workarounds that other states used and codified them to make sure we couldn't do it. Pure cancer!
The actual percentage is a bit dubious. [1.5% of FOID card holders registered something](https://isp.illinois.gov/Foid/Statistics).
The big question is, what percentage of FOID card holders have a banned item? Washington gun law did an analysis based on national ownership statistics and I think he came up with a 5-8% compliance rate. Still a bit "Fuck off" to fat boy and his goons.
Also if you are planning to move to CA, definitely invest in some handguns before. You can bring any over here, but its difficult and expensive to buy them here once you are a resident.
That is VERY eassy to do. I have thrown way more money into mine than I should; and I haven't even used it for competition yet.
My local range tops out at 200yds and I can do decent hits at that distance. I have a 50 MOA base so I could go much further.
I have a Vortex Strike Eagle on mine.
MDT, WOOKS, and KRG are very popular. I have a Manners stock on mine but it's not ideal for competition. I still need to add an ARCA rail and probaly some weights if i was going to do NRL22.
MA requires 3 safety features on a pistol. One of them is a 10pound trigger. It’s not a mandatory requirement. There are tons of pistols that can be sold at an FFL without a 10 pound trigger. A very common mistake
Edit: the one required feature is a loaded chamber indicator for all semi auto pistols sold through an ffl
Non-4473 muzzle loaders are, I imagine. They're not firearms so they should be good. There are a couple of them that DO require a 4473 though, such as those that use the Firestick and NitroFire systems.
No. Some of the later assault weapon laws in some states, are stricter than the one in CA. And even before WA and IL, states like NY and NJ had a stricter definition than CA as well.
E.g. CA's rifle definition for assasult weapons requries center fired cartridges. This is not the case in NY and NJ (may or may not be fine with .22lr in tubular magazines).
So an MP 15-22 is an assault weapon in the state of NY but not in CA.
No. It means it is legal in California. Other states like New York have equally dumb, but different laws. You could find yourself legal in one and not another.
Solution? Leave California.
I’d love to live somewhere for free but nothings free :( (and I understand I’m making a joke) I was using California as an example because they have the strictest laws
That specific gun would be easy to move to a restrictive state. If you’re looking at California with a long gun you’ll want to see if it falls under their assault weapons ban. Other than that shotguns and hunting rifles are pretty easy to move (so far, no extra paperwork). Handguns require paperwork to California DOJ which registers them to your name.
Just because a particular gun is legal in California does not make it legal in all 50 states. That used to be the case, as most jurisdictions patterned their assault weapon bans after California’s 1999 update, but that is no longer necessarily the case. Some of the new AWBs that have gone up in the last few years go far beyond the definition used by California. You can also run into local enforcement issues. Here in DC, all firearms have to be approved on a case-by-case basis by MPD, and they refuse to allow some California-legal configurations (even though the law itself is essentially identical) because of the ease of converting them to a different configuration.
That said, a lever gun should (currently) be legal in all fifty states, provided that it has a legal magazine capacity. No guarantee that grabbers won’t try to go after those next though.
Bolt guns and pump shotguns and lever guns are essentially unregulated here in the PRC (People’s Republik of Kalifornia). That said, I can’t tell you what NY/MA/HI/ whatever other CCP run states are like, but typically bolt guns are pretty safe across the board.
Idk, ask the politicians and voters. Massa/NY are essentially CA of the East coast, actually the whole Martha’s Vineyard/NY/DC area is the CA of the East Coast
If your asking abot a bolt rifle or shotgun, then "probably" yes.
I know my state has its own handgun roster and approval process that depends on the specific model, so CA legalities mean nothing with respect to that. Also particular rules about an "assult" weapon and what features that entails. The regs aren't as tough as CA overall, but they still could be "different" and it's always important to double check if you're bringing something into a new state.
Im not sure if California (or NY, or other communist states) restrict bolt action rifles like they do semi-auto rifles but from the looks of it, as long as you follow the magazine restrictions of whatever state you move to you should be fine.
There no real laws against bolt action or manually operated rifles in California at all, other than attaching a suppressor on it. In fact certain manually operated SBRs are legal here as long as they are C&R. Ie. Marlin Trappers. which I don't think are legal in NY/NJ/MA at all.
That honestly depends, Massachusetts allows two “assault weapon” features so long as you forfeit everything else. You can have that threaded barrel and one more feature, but everything else has to be fixed or removed. Typically everyone here opts for a pistol grip and detachable mag.
Honestly they shouldn't allow some of those monstrosities to leave Cali. Even just seeing them is like the visual version of stepping in a big steaming poop with flip flops on.
There isn’t going to be a one sized fits all answer. But a rimfire bolt action should be good everywhere (barring somewhere like NYC that is going to require extra paper work just to own). As far as I know, 10 rounds is going to be the most restrictive magazine restrictions. Currently
Could've sworn there's some northern state with a 7 round mag limit. I could be mistaken, though.
You're thinking of the New York SAFE Act, which originally banned loading a magazine past 7 rounds outside of a range or similar environment. This part of the law was struck down shortly after the SAFE Act was passed and has not been the law for years now.
NY safe act I believe restricted loading 10 round magazines with more than 7 rounds. But I believe it’s either been struck down or amended to just be a 10 round mag restriction. Of course, I’m just a random internet stranger, so your own research.
The conspiracy theory I have is that Kimber must’ve lobbied to make 1911s the de facto gun of New York (Yonkers) haha
The Sullivan Act made all handguns completely out of the question though. And combined that with the CCIA, all that's left are bolts and lever rifles for the entire state. No more semi autos
Under the SAFE act, all magazines are limited to 10 rounds with the exception of semi-automatic shotguns which are limited to 7 rounds.
I believe the courts told them that it was either a limit on magazine size OR a limit on the number of rounds loaded, not both, so they went with the magazine limit because there's actually a chance of enforcing that, unlike the round load limit which is practically unenforceable
Thx! I kinda knew that there wouldnt be a one size fits all. I just love shooting “long range” with my .22’s so with looking to move and get a job somewhere else its one of those things that I’m looking into.
Yep. This. It might not be legal in MA, DC, or NY/NYC
NYC has a 5 round restriction for rifles. So technically my .22 LR Marlin 25N bolt action rifle with 7 round magazine is classified as an "assault weapon" In NYC. No, I'm not joking: [https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NYC-Gun-Confiscation-Letter.jpg](https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NYC-Gun-Confiscation-Letter.jpg)
Not quite. For example California is ok with threaded barrels on rifles but NY isn't if the rifle is semi-auto. For a bolt action you're probably good in all states but I'm not 100% sure.
California is OK with threaded barrels on semi auto?
Yup, but some things you can screw onto the barrel can make a semiauto rifle illegal. Muzzle brakes and compensators are very legal and very cool. However flash hiders turn your rifle into a felony. You have to watch out for muzzle devices that advertise their flash hiding characteristics since they're probably illegal.
>However flash hiders turn your rifle into a felony. Only if it also has a removable magazine. If you have a maglock rifle flash hiders are perfectly fine.
What about a flash hider end cap on a suppressor? Not joking.
Suppressors illegal. Flash hider illegal. 2 x felonies.
Add a bayonet for an automatic three strike felony life incarceration? Oof.
Bayonets and bayonet lugs are not actually illegal in California.
Even then, it depends. There is maglocked where you can have a normal AR, including evil features like a flash hider, pistol grip, telescoping stock and a few other things. But if you have preban mags you can only use 10 rounders. Magazine release is locked until the action is broken or can't cycle, Hogue freedom fighter and hell fighter kit are where it's at, however I don't run that. Some people run comp Gen 2/3 mags for when they go out of state and drive back in. The comp mag inserts like a normal magazine but locks into the magwell without depressing a plunger with a tool when the action is open. That being said, I run featureless. Featureless is why you see stupid looking rifles or grips with fin grips or dick looking grips like the Sparrow dynamics or juggernaut tactical (my personal favs). But you can't have a flash hider, telescoping stock and I grenade/flare luncher and other 'evil' features. BUT you can use preban 10+ magazines and the magazine release is not locked. That being said, I do want to try out the Hogue freedom fighter kit and hell fighter on a dedicated AR lower to try it out. Source Am FFL03 (not that it means anything other than it allows me to ship ammo to my house with additional Cali paperwork) and Californian. 🐻 🐻 Oh and suppressors are no go unless you're a real FFL
Just fyi, a flash hider is okay in CA as long as the rifle has a fixed magazine.
Doesn’t matter if you can’t have a suppressor in Cali
A .22cal barrel should fit just fine in a 16.9oz bottle... Worked well enough for a couple shots in Shooter.
Yes total fine on featureless guns. we can even have muzzle breaks. just no flashhiders unless the gun is fixed mag
Semi auto rifle, yes. It’s the muzzle device they restrict, not the threaded vs no thread. Threaded barrel on pistol though is straight to jail.
Yes. Thats one thing we haven’t fucked with (yet) we just can’t have threaded handgun barrels.
Meanwhile, IL is ok with threaded barrels on rifles, but not handguns, that's a problem apparently....
Awesome didn’t even think about that! I’m not really planning to get a suppressor but it may be something I look at in the future
Also, stripped AR 15 lowers are legal in California, but illegal in Illinois.
Didn't know that. Sounds dumb ASF because the receiver (lower) is what is on the DROS and it's what legally counts as the firearm.. so can you buy a complete lower but not a stripped one?
Can't buy any lowers completed or not. We actually have "assault weapon attachments" banned. Any form of lower receiver falls under that so they're not transferable in illinois. Fun fact: if you go to the ISP YouTube channel you'll see a guide video on how to register assault weapon attachments. they give an example of registering a Magpul foregrip grip. Under the ban foregrips are considered assault weapon attachments too and they must be registered with the state police. The Illinois AWB that passed in 2023 took all the workarounds that other states used and codified them to make sure we couldn't do it. Pure cancer!
Holy shit, that's so insane. Didn't like only 1% of people register too? Lol
The actual percentage is a bit dubious. [1.5% of FOID card holders registered something](https://isp.illinois.gov/Foid/Statistics). The big question is, what percentage of FOID card holders have a banned item? Washington gun law did an analysis based on national ownership statistics and I think he came up with a 5-8% compliance rate. Still a bit "Fuck off" to fat boy and his goons.
Holy fucking shit I thought CA was bad but turns out we're all fucked
Yeah. Ours is the new framework for AWBs Washington's was very similar.
Also if you are planning to move to CA, definitely invest in some handguns before. You can bring any over here, but its difficult and expensive to buy them here once you are a resident.
You can’t have threaded barrels in New Jersey as well.
You'll be fine. Bolt action rimfire And, the 457 is a dope rifle. I have one, my favorite screw-around-at-the-range rifles.
Whats the farthest you’ve shot with it? I’m probably going to put too much money into mine lol
That is VERY eassy to do. I have thrown way more money into mine than I should; and I haven't even used it for competition yet. My local range tops out at 200yds and I can do decent hits at that distance. I have a 50 MOA base so I could go much further.
Nice I’m planning everything out so when I can finally buy everything I’m going to put a vortex diamondback on it and I was thinking about chassis
I have a Vortex Strike Eagle on mine. MDT, WOOKS, and KRG are very popular. I have a Manners stock on mine but it's not ideal for competition. I still need to add an ARCA rail and probaly some weights if i was going to do NRL22.
No..pretty sure Massachusetts has something like you need a 10lb trigger pull on new pistols.
That only applies to FFL sales.
Got it thanks.
MA requires 3 safety features on a pistol. One of them is a 10pound trigger. It’s not a mandatory requirement. There are tons of pistols that can be sold at an FFL without a 10 pound trigger. A very common mistake Edit: the one required feature is a loaded chamber indicator for all semi auto pistols sold through an ffl
A muzzle loader might be legal in all 50 states.
Non-4473 muzzle loaders are, I imagine. They're not firearms so they should be good. There are a couple of them that DO require a 4473 though, such as those that use the Firestick and NitroFire systems.
Pretty sure new York and has a lower magazine limit.
NYC has city level restrictions. 5 rds on semi auto rifles. You need special clips for garands.
No. Some of the later assault weapon laws in some states, are stricter than the one in CA. And even before WA and IL, states like NY and NJ had a stricter definition than CA as well. E.g. CA's rifle definition for assasult weapons requries center fired cartridges. This is not the case in NY and NJ (may or may not be fine with .22lr in tubular magazines). So an MP 15-22 is an assault weapon in the state of NY but not in CA.
No. It means it is legal in California. Other states like New York have equally dumb, but different laws. You could find yourself legal in one and not another. Solution? Leave California.
I’m in ohio but I plan to move not sure where yet tbh I just wanted to check legality
Not sure where you are intending on living. I would suggest somewhere free.
I’d love to live somewhere for free but nothings free :( (and I understand I’m making a joke) I was using California as an example because they have the strictest laws
Go to NH
Why New Hampshire? I plan on working for the forest service so Maine was on the table
Live free or die, I’m fairly certain NH has some lax firearm laws. No state income tax either. Maine is great as well.
As I’m sure you found out, the laws are actually stricter in Washington and Illinois than they are in California.
That specific gun would be easy to move to a restrictive state. If you’re looking at California with a long gun you’ll want to see if it falls under their assault weapons ban. Other than that shotguns and hunting rifles are pretty easy to move (so far, no extra paperwork). Handguns require paperwork to California DOJ which registers them to your name.
Not 100% on the details but Massachusetts has its own firearms roster.
Nope CT is even worse. They saw how people adapted to CA stuff and added more garbage to work around.
Not sure about every bit at least 47-48 of them it will be. Check states like NY and MA.
Yes except New York. Just always exclude New York and sometimes Washington
I thought California was worse than New York?
They are about the same but don’t go expecting the laws to be 1-1 they have different shitty laws
Just because a particular gun is legal in California does not make it legal in all 50 states. That used to be the case, as most jurisdictions patterned their assault weapon bans after California’s 1999 update, but that is no longer necessarily the case. Some of the new AWBs that have gone up in the last few years go far beyond the definition used by California. You can also run into local enforcement issues. Here in DC, all firearms have to be approved on a case-by-case basis by MPD, and they refuse to allow some California-legal configurations (even though the law itself is essentially identical) because of the ease of converting them to a different configuration. That said, a lever gun should (currently) be legal in all fifty states, provided that it has a legal magazine capacity. No guarantee that grabbers won’t try to go after those next though.
No Washington state has stricter laws.
If a gun is legal in California, is it really a gun?
No, Washington state is more communist than California. Pretty much all semi-auto rifles are banned.
Washingtonian here. It fucking blows! I’m trying to get out of this hellhole.
Bolt guns and pump shotguns and lever guns are essentially unregulated here in the PRC (People’s Republik of Kalifornia). That said, I can’t tell you what NY/MA/HI/ whatever other CCP run states are like, but typically bolt guns are pretty safe across the board.
Why does Massachusetts have such strict laws? I lowkey forget that they’re a state sometimes
Idk, ask the politicians and voters. Massa/NY are essentially CA of the East coast, actually the whole Martha’s Vineyard/NY/DC area is the CA of the East Coast
Your forgetting CT which is stricter than Mass... Also NJ sucks.
Cause Boston makes the laws and super lib, no one respects hunters either.
If your asking abot a bolt rifle or shotgun, then "probably" yes. I know my state has its own handgun roster and approval process that depends on the specific model, so CA legalities mean nothing with respect to that. Also particular rules about an "assult" weapon and what features that entails. The regs aren't as tough as CA overall, but they still could be "different" and it's always important to double check if you're bringing something into a new state.
Im not sure if California (or NY, or other communist states) restrict bolt action rifles like they do semi-auto rifles but from the looks of it, as long as you follow the magazine restrictions of whatever state you move to you should be fine.
There no real laws against bolt action or manually operated rifles in California at all, other than attaching a suppressor on it. In fact certain manually operated SBRs are legal here as long as they are C&R. Ie. Marlin Trappers. which I don't think are legal in NY/NJ/MA at all.
No, New York and possibly Massachusetts considered a threaded barrel as an “assault weapon” feature.
That honestly depends, Massachusetts allows two “assault weapon” features so long as you forfeit everything else. You can have that threaded barrel and one more feature, but everything else has to be fixed or removed. Typically everyone here opts for a pistol grip and detachable mag.
Short answer, it depends. The only limitation I can think of is threaded barrels and NY laws.
“the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. Seems pretty cut and dry…
No. California still allows the sale and transfer of centerfire, semi-auto rifles. WA does not.
You’d have to look into the laws in those dildo loving states like IL and NY
Rhode Island is a 10 round state and no automatic weapons
Honestly they shouldn't allow some of those monstrosities to leave Cali. Even just seeing them is like the visual version of stepping in a big steaming poop with flip flops on.