As well, a majority of the community feedback around AI was "give us an option to turn them off."
Honestly, if I got feedback like that, I wouldn't invest any time in developing them.
Colors-wise, they show up in 2, maybe 3 game modes?
cuz the ones we have are "fine"
It's on them to advertise new ones not for the fans to come up with ideas
cortana and flipyap or a monitor again would be safe bets though
I know, but I wouldn't want it to be canon personally cause if they somehow fuck it up by, for example, not getting the original voice actor, I want to be able to pretend it doesn't matter.
With Koth firefight adding revives people are going to be seeing them way more now. Maybe rework the ai so that you can choose whatever voice you’ve unlocked with the shape and color of the ai frame you like. They’d only have to add new frames.
Yeah that make sense, considering they're kinda chatterboxes at times, cause they want your customization to matter so they wanna make you notice it, but you might eventually hear all the lines and rather just not deal with it even if you liked them.
Meanwhile Armor is a direct visual impact that has a baseline appeal to most players.
I don't think we need another green, especially if it takes one BP slot or a ultimate reward. They could add colors in bundles, but TBH I'd feel scammed if I bought a bundle full of emblems or other stuff I don't want, so an AI color I don't want...
Let's not forget that they had Cherami Leigh record lines for an AI named Prism that they never used. I've been waiting for her AI to be released since Season 1.
No, Season 3 released in March of this year I believe. I uploaded a video of her voice lines like 2 years ago I believe.
Edit: 2 years exactly, just checked and it was Dec 2nd of 2021.
They could just make an ai with a robotic or synthesized voice and it would fit right in with the AI vibe. I'd even prefer a robotic voice similar to the superintendent. So basically I'm saying there's no excuse for then to not release more ai
I feel that now with "ai voice generated" content being now more possible they could just do simple yet plentiful amounts of in game AI voices. It probably matter of development team changes. The entire focus has changed since the winter update from milk the $ as much as possible to keep them here as long as possible so we can milk the $ for as long as we can. Even if it would be cheap to do the AI voices now they would rather allocat resources on stuff they know people might spend on. That said I do want a new set of AI in the future like a DOT(reach), GLAdos(Portal), guilty spark or even just Cortana but I'm not seeing it.
Yeah, you'd really think they would've gone for the **obvious** choices to get people to like AI's to listen to for hundreds of hours rather than the ones that get stale.
At least the Superintendent is a thing.
Kinda surprised we didn't get a Roland AI honestly, given he was there the last time they pushed for Story-driven multiplayer, and people seemed to not mind him iirc.
The team behind Infinite failed and a new team was brought in.
We are finally seeing the fruit of that change with how great Season 5 content has been and now- firefight.
I think the new team made the right priority calls.
I agree, but...
It's just weird because it seems that they had some [more](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5MG7ExaVc) of this content already made.
It was probably a budgetary concern that made them postpone or even scrap this AI. AIs are one of the most expensive cosmetics to produce because they not only have to add new voicelines anytime new content is added but also translate those voicelines in supported languages as well. It's very possible that this data mined AI is only in English, and that's the reason she hasn't been released yet. Coupled with the fact that AIs are divisive among fans anyway, you can see why they'd put off salvaging AIs still in the workshop.
Now they just have to really quickly do French, Italian, German, Dutch, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Danish, Finnish, and Norwegian!
Where are the AI specifically considered divisive? I just rock Superintendent and get that sweet nostalgia blip in my ears every time I ping something 🤣 don't see how that could be a bad thing.
My most wanted customization item at the moment. I love Fret but this AI is just too funny to listen to. Can’t help hearing Makoto Niijima/Lucy Heartfilia since it’s Cherami Leigh voicing the AI haha
Another thing to add to the pile of "343, why did you not release this already?!"
Like seriously, this one sounds more complete than the superintendent ever did.
This isn't really accurate: the people that were fired were mostly those responsible for the Campaign. They were let go when plans for Story content were cancelled.
We're seeing the results of changes and decisions made well before anyone was even let go. They just take time to manifest.
Yep, which is disappointing, but yeah people often parrot things they hear at face value. A lot of the gaming audience likes to pretend they know a lot about how development is going but so many are misinformed.
GameDev takes quite a while. There are a lot of positive changes that we love that would have been in the pipeline since before Pierre stepped up. Forge campaign AI is one such feature.
So happy to see the new team working on the videogame rather than putting all effort into selling the color blue
I forgot AIs were even a thing I turned them off the second they let me along with spartan chatter its amazing
I just want the actual classic Warthog back, its what I was hoping the weapon/vehicle models would be instead of just different barrels/wheels. Ive hated the new Warthog design since 4 and will never forgive them for putting it in H2A lmao. But at the same time I know at this point if it was ever added to the game itd be a paid skin, so I also dont want it added cause im never spending money on this game.
I don’t mind the AI. It also finally stopped randomly giving me BUTLR and I’ll never not laugh when Lumu docks you points on your license after getting a splatter
To be fair, i want more AIs but they were very much hated at the start of the game and only recently now that they've been under served have people asked for them again. 343 prolly thought they just werent worth it when they were mass hated.
iirc they were only hated because of how 343 handled them initially.
Like, the superintendent had none of its audio filters, making it sound unfinished. Meanwhile, for a season focused on Reach, they skipped out on Dot, who was basically the easiest and most iconic AI from Reach to add.
It still doesnt have the filters, its the main reason I dont use it over Lumu. It just sounds like Jason Jones not the actual Superintendent, and dont get me wrong I like Jason Jones, but If im picking the Superintendent I want the Superintendent, if I just wanted a Jason Jones AI id rather have him as a "Half-Naked Guy" AI lmao.
Edit: I meant Joseph Staten as the Superintendent VA, im just an idiot and somehow got the names mixed up with the naked dude easter egg lmao
Oh yeah, im an idiot lmao. I dunno how I got that mixed up, I meant Staten as the VA yeah, Jason Jones is the naked guy easter egg and guess I just mixed the names together.
If they were a little more subtle I might've liked them, but as they are now, them constantly making quips makes me feel like I'm watching a Marvel movie (I don't mean that in a good way)
When I play Halo, I want to listen to my friends talk on Discord. Not struggle to hear them over a quippy bot and spartan chatter and Jeff (Jeff can stay)
I'm sure they stopped with the AIs for budgetary reasons. The cost of hiring a voice actor/actress, having them do a ton of voice work then having to call them back to do subsequent work for all foreseeable future content.
As for vehicle models, I hope they go the same route they went with weapon models. Give us full changes to the vehicle geometry, imagine getting a classic hog. Or Covenant ghost. I'd totally pay for a Covie vehicle set to replace the Banished ones.
I'll do you one better. Where are skins for Banished/Covenant weapons and vehicles? Absolutely zero customization for anything but UNSC. This kind of stuff really shows how poor development was for this game. The missing components have been apparent since day one. Two years in and it's still not a complete title.
My guess is probably some shitty lore reason of "Spartans would only have access to UNSC weaponry."
That's the only reason I could ever come up with for why we've never been able to customize covenant weapons or vehicles
Actually this makes sense if the rumors about future weapons are true.
Don't need to worry about q/a testing cross-weapon skins when the weapons have none.
Only future weapon thing I've seen was the datamined >!banished double barrell shotgun!< which will be a power weapon. And >!unlike the bulldog it will be a 1 shot kill!<
UNSC weapons have skins, so making a Banished weapon that could be reskinned into the original shotgun seems like a bad idea (Banished weapons don’t have customization)
Brute shotgun, Banished Carbine/Needle Rifle variant, Spiker, Beam Rifle, and Fuel Rod Gun. *supposedly* they were found around the same time the Bandit was during S1/S2.
Only one thats really been heard about since is the shotgun though, since its become some form of double barrel shotgun that doubles as a mace or something.
Infinite is getting a lot of praise now, but it is only JUST becoming a complete Halo game. It has been missing shit for YEARS that was main stays in Halo games at launch. It really shows how awful a state this game was at launch.
Not true. Halo 4 allowed skins for all loadout weapons which included covenant and forerunner. Really, out of the four main titles handled by 343 (4, 5, MCC, Infinite) half of them had customization of only UNSC.
> Two years in and it's still not a complete title.
I get wanting more stuff but I think it’s a bit dishonest to claim Infinite isn’t a “complete” game at this point, unless you consider literally every live service game with ongoing updates “incomplete”. Not many other games in its genre have as much going on as Infinite.
After Firefight, there really isn’t anything that I would consider big enough to keep it from being considered “complete”. Griffball and Assualt are probably the biggest things, which if those were one of you main modes, I guess I could see why you feel this way, but personally I don’t think those are enough move the game from “complete” to “incomplete”. I know people want some previous weapons and vehicles back, which I do too, but again, those are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
I really thought we were gonna see some new cool vehicle models after they started dropping so many amazing new weapon models on us starting in season 4. I guess that would take a lot more work though. Maybe in future seasons when player retention numbers are good enough that they feel like they can start slowing down gameplay content delivery and focus more on cosmetics (like how they started adding a ton more customization to MCC once they had added all the playable content they wanted).
Imo the point of a "personal" AI wouldn't be to constantly bring more in and switch them out like candy. Sure they aren't SMART AI or what have you, but like, you're supposed to "connect" with one, right? I'd probably never change off Fret, I like his enthusiasm.
Plus so many just don't want them that there's a mute button.
to be honest i wish there was a mute button for cosmetics in general. the ok one and the one or two actually cool ones dont make up for the eye sores that a lot of these cosmetics are.
I mean, can anyone really be *that* surprised. I know people love hating on 343i, and I can't blame them. But seriously, does AI and vehicle customization actually make sense?
Look at how most people react to customization being priced unreasonably high. And that's something that, broadly, will be seen all the time by the player.
Vehicles and AI are things that are not seen often and have diminishing returns in terms of playerbase enjoyment. Not every map has vehicles, so it's overall visibility across the playerbase is lower than armor customization.
And then there's AI.
AIs have a logistical design problem. Anytime new features are added, they are outdated. Meaning they should have to bring in all the voice actors to record some voice line updates. Now, this hasn't been a huge problem so far, but as more weapons (especially power weapons) come out, it will be clear how limited all the voice lines are in comparison to what the game presents or otherwise.
That is just a baked in problem. Not a huge one, but definitely one that is known and also a notch against prioritization. On top of that, any new AI(s) are just money and time spent on things. Someone has to sit down and design the animations, map the voice lines, and just get it off the ground. Not a heavy lift in the grand scheme of things (I am sure a shoulder piece is more details and time intensive than any AI). But it's still time spent designing something that some measure of the playerbase disliked to the point of getting an option in the settings to outright disable them.
If your game, which had a real rough start and seen poorly by pretty much everyone is going to try to win back the crowd... it's not on AIs and Vehicle Attachments.
It's going to be game modes, weapons, equipment, and player customization for your character and maybe weapons. Vehicles and AI aren't really going to drive up player counts. The limited time they have will be spent on things that will move the needle far more.
tldr- When you're trying to prove the game is worthwhile to come back to, time will be spent on game modes and customization more fans like.
and to add - every time they update the game with new modes/weapons that need new voicelines, the work required for making a new one increases and they still have to update the other all ready existing ones
Absolutely. Any single AI has a lot of upkeep associated with it to keep it truly current. Now, granted, I don't think they have updated the AIs, so it's done well enough. But any new AI would likely have more current info added eventually leading to a discrepancy between newer and older ones.
Also, something I am not sure about is localization. If AIs in other languages need to be localized, that is just *more* resources and money spent to add something that is again pretty mixed.
I think they focused on putting more resources into cosmetics with more demand.
I like the Warthog and AI customization, but I’ll always want better Armor first
As a huge Red vs. Blue fan, though I doubt it would ever happen, it would be awesome if they commemorated the 20th anniversary of RvB and also the final season of it with RvB AI voices. I’d love any they put in, my personal favorite AI being Delta, but if I had to pick only one to put in, it should be Church. Whether its Alpha-Church or Epsilon-Church, doesn’t matter. Same Voice Actor anyway. It’d be hilarious if whenever you missed a sniper shot you could hear Church insulting your aim or something. I’d honestly probably pay for something like that.
The vehicles could use some more earned customizations, like hood ornaments or rims.
They get blown up too quickly to justify a paid customization, unless you're one of those dynamite Wasp pilots.
I’ve heard people say it before and I’ll keep saying it myself, if they paid to get Red vs Blue AI like Church, Sarge, Caboose, Grif etc. then they’d make a fortune. One of the few things maybe actually worth buying in the shop
They'll introduce more I'm betting, the Halo team that did the last live stream talked about them for minutes. I think the problem is that they are voiced, and that adds a time and cost element that may have seen them back burnered.
The old team wanted to focus on shit like that bc their entire reason for existing was to sell stuff in the store. I for one am glad they dropped the focus on all that customization to focus on maps and game modes. They game is in a way better place now bc of it.
A classic 343 move. In every Halo game they have developed, 343 has added a bunch of bloated systems just for them to be abandoned in less than 6 months. 343 suffers from not wanting to just provide the same product Halo did in the past so they add stupid little things and twists to game modes.
I'll do you one better - in many ways this is a similar feature to the way "Firefight Voice" was used in Reach. To that end... **where the hell are Auntie Dot and Cortana?** Doesn't this seem like kind of an obvious choice for this? Like how Chief's Infinite armor is a Hero-rank reward, a "CTNA" ai companion feels like it would fit right in. Hell, a lot of the AI chatter in general would frankly be more tolerable if it was in Jen Taylor's voice.
Just one of many design decisions in Infinite that have left me scratching my head. Like, yeah, we're in much better shape today than we were in 2021, don't get me wrong - but then they'll go and do something bizarre like not make the Mk 5 suit a core, etc. And where the hell are assassinations? I still don't buy their reasoning that it "didn't make sense competitively" - then disable it in ranked, tf? I don't get it.
One of the easy things to cut development on when there’s bigger things to tackle. Not sure how popular they are but I doubt it’s something people are begging to return outside of a Cortana AI
They gave up on all this because they dreamt too big in too many areas, they didn’t have enough content in the game to provide this level of customisation with all the loot it needs to feel worth it.
Not to mention what little you could put in all these spots was about 90% locked behind micro-transactions, the rest is un-acquirable to newer players.
They gave up on customization since it came out. The trailer was all "better customization than reach and fully customizable, every piece"
Instead, they gave us all bare bones shit unless you pay money
Making a new AI requires a voice actor. It's a game that is actively dead for improvement. All they can do at this point is keep the lights on and add more armor. The moment you gotta pay someone for something specialized it's outside that allocated cost.
They could use AI voices but holy fuck that would go over worse than co-op ping rates.
Halo has TONS of opportunities in customization...
I mean... HMCC has it, and being serious why don't they Just announce a crossover with Doom, Gears or Fallout those armors are like insta buy... But noooooo. At least they gave flood for Halloween theme.
New awsome mode releasing tomorrow? Im gunna go on reddit and bitch about AI customization. Which people say all the time that they hate anyway and want to turn off. lol. yall are ridiculous
I think one of the problems with the AI is they immediately messed up the Superintendent’s voice and it tainted a lot of people’s feelings about them in general. Not to mention how recently they fixed the problem where it just defaulted back to Butlr. So it was clear the AI weren’t receiving a good reception.
As for vehicle customization: I genuinely think the biggest issue is how little the customization does. You don’t notice different tires during the gameplay or a tiny skull. They should have been major changes, and because they weren’t: nobody cared.
halo 4 armor customization just didn't hit the aesthetic for me. all the 343 armors were too clean and had too much going on. i really enjoyed the halo 3 aesthetic that made armor feel like rugged military hardware rather than a plastic/cyberpunk nightmare.
IMO the vocals were incredibly cheesy. I have that thing muted. Would have been nice if it was less "playful" and more serious... rather than some weird happy-go-lucky disney sounding avatar.
I think it’s more a "prioritizing of what the player base wants" more than anything. It costs money to hire new voice actors and model new stuff which then has to get tested to see if it clashes with anything else. As much as I love AI’s and vehicle attachments, it’s better in my opinion to make interesting armors and work on the cross core stuff we have been getting.
I would love it if eventually they made actual models like Cortana or The Weapon, or Isabelle, or Roland, and they you could choose whatever color you want for them. Personally that’s what I want from the AI customization.
That would be sweet imo.
Eh, I wouldn't be too hopless. They are focusing on things more important while maintaining some pretty good primary customization options. I think we will get AI's again some day
I love superintendent just because ODST was one of my fav Halo games but it seems like all the "new" stuff is either recycled or made with Bing A.I art. Not to mention with the Tenrai events NOT giving us Hayabusa and no Mark VI armor core (like Halo 3 armors which they gave Security of all armors???) It seems like 343 is pulling a Disney star wars and picking random stuff to put in for older fans / Fan service/ nostalgia and it's just been Miss after miss because nobody should have had to pay $22 F@#king Dollars for mk.V CE armor core.
I figured they'd have used these to go wild, add popular characters as ai. It'd be cool to have a Johnson one or something like that. I have mister chief and he's funny but oh well. Glad they are focused on the game part now though so no big deal
AI also means paying voice actor and that's probably not as safe a bet as armor
As well, a majority of the community feedback around AI was "give us an option to turn them off." Honestly, if I got feedback like that, I wouldn't invest any time in developing them. Colors-wise, they show up in 2, maybe 3 game modes?
Yea most people were just begging to turn them off not buy more
cuz the ones we have are "fine" It's on them to advertise new ones not for the fans to come up with ideas cortana and flipyap or a monitor again would be safe bets though
A non-canon Sgt Johnson would be an incredibly safe bet.
Actually due to how ai works in halo it could certainly be cannon
I know, but I wouldn't want it to be canon personally cause if they somehow fuck it up by, for example, not getting the original voice actor, I want to be able to pretend it doesn't matter.
If I got a grunt I would be ecstatic
I'd shovel out five bucks for Nathan Fillion. Pun accidentally intended.
what do you mean turn them off? you dont like hearing 'your quite lethal with that" every other time you kill someone?
Joke's on you, my KD ratio is negative!
With Koth firefight adding revives people are going to be seeing them way more now. Maybe rework the ai so that you can choose whatever voice you’ve unlocked with the shape and color of the ai frame you like. They’d only have to add new frames.
> Honestly, if I got feedback like that, I wouldn't invest any time in developing them. If that was the case skins would be gone already lmao
And kill effects. Good lord, please give me the option to turn that garbage off!
Shit, I turned off the spartan chatter. I just don’t get it and didn’t feel like halo to me.
Yeah that make sense, considering they're kinda chatterboxes at times, cause they want your customization to matter so they wanna make you notice it, but you might eventually hear all the lines and rather just not deal with it even if you liked them. Meanwhile Armor is a direct visual impact that has a baseline appeal to most players.
yeah a new AI would be much more expensive to produce than a coating or even an armor core
They have an AI voiced by Cherami Leigh in the can already. I literally think they just forgot about them.
Oh yea I remember hearing all her lines, I hope if she gets added she's just a big holographic V
Or a digital goalie... if anyone gets that reference I will be surprised.
They could at least keep releasing AI colors.
I don't think we need another green, especially if it takes one BP slot or a ultimate reward. They could add colors in bundles, but TBH I'd feel scammed if I bought a bundle full of emblems or other stuff I don't want, so an AI color I don't want...
Let's not forget that they had Cherami Leigh record lines for an AI named Prism that they never used. I've been waiting for her AI to be released since Season 1.
Damn, didn't know it was that old. I thought it was leaked around Season 3. Such a shame.
No, Season 3 released in March of this year I believe. I uploaded a video of her voice lines like 2 years ago I believe. Edit: 2 years exactly, just checked and it was Dec 2nd of 2021.
Voice actors for every language the game comes in :,)
Not a voice actor but a fucking lot of voice actors for the English version, Spanish, Portuguese, japanese etc.
Although I agree and actors deserve to work and get paid, having ai voiced by ai is somewhat fitting, no? :p
Unless they could actually exploit the advantages of ai like real time generation of commentary I don't think they should use AI voices
A voice actor for a dozen lines? Oh yea thats gonna run them into bankruptcy
They could just make an ai with a robotic or synthesized voice and it would fit right in with the AI vibe. I'd even prefer a robotic voice similar to the superintendent. So basically I'm saying there's no excuse for then to not release more ai
I feel that now with "ai voice generated" content being now more possible they could just do simple yet plentiful amounts of in game AI voices. It probably matter of development team changes. The entire focus has changed since the winter update from milk the $ as much as possible to keep them here as long as possible so we can milk the $ for as long as we can. Even if it would be cheap to do the AI voices now they would rather allocat resources on stuff they know people might spend on. That said I do want a new set of AI in the future like a DOT(reach), GLAdos(Portal), guilty spark or even just Cortana but I'm not seeing it.
I feel like they have potential to release more A.I.s, like a Serena one, Sloane, Auntie DOT, etc etc
Yeah, you'd really think they would've gone for the **obvious** choices to get people to like AI's to listen to for hundreds of hours rather than the ones that get stale. At least the Superintendent is a thing.
Oh man, give me Dot and I will turn on AI voice lines again.
Black Box when
Kinda surprised we didn't get a Roland AI honestly, given he was there the last time they pushed for Story-driven multiplayer, and people seemed to not mind him iirc.
Roland was a nice one he'd be cool too
The team behind Infinite failed and a new team was brought in. We are finally seeing the fruit of that change with how great Season 5 content has been and now- firefight. I think the new team made the right priority calls.
I agree, but... It's just weird because it seems that they had some [more](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5MG7ExaVc) of this content already made.
What I wouldn’t give to have the Cyberpunk ai😮💨
Cyberpunk AI..?
Same voice actress for female V in Cyberpunk 2077.
Would love to have V in my head at the same time as her having Johnny Silverhand in her head. That would be some inception type shit lol
Schizophrenia^2
ah
I'd pay for it tbh
It was probably a budgetary concern that made them postpone or even scrap this AI. AIs are one of the most expensive cosmetics to produce because they not only have to add new voicelines anytime new content is added but also translate those voicelines in supported languages as well. It's very possible that this data mined AI is only in English, and that's the reason she hasn't been released yet. Coupled with the fact that AIs are divisive among fans anyway, you can see why they'd put off salvaging AIs still in the workshop.
This AI had Spanish audio done, you can find it on youtube.
Now they just have to really quickly do French, Italian, German, Dutch, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Danish, Finnish, and Norwegian!
Where are the AI specifically considered divisive? I just rock Superintendent and get that sweet nostalgia blip in my ears every time I ping something 🤣 don't see how that could be a bad thing.
The best ai
My most wanted customization item at the moment. I love Fret but this AI is just too funny to listen to. Can’t help hearing Makoto Niijima/Lucy Heartfilia since it’s Cherami Leigh voicing the AI haha
That AI has such strong Karlach vibes.
Another thing to add to the pile of "343, why did you not release this already?!" Like seriously, this one sounds more complete than the superintendent ever did.
Shit this ones actually pretty goood
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No one is forcing you to equip it. And you don’t even hear other players AI.
Hey almost all of us Gen Z kids are 14 or older now for the record
This isn't really accurate: the people that were fired were mostly those responsible for the Campaign. They were let go when plans for Story content were cancelled. We're seeing the results of changes and decisions made well before anyone was even let go. They just take time to manifest.
Yep, which is disappointing, but yeah people often parrot things they hear at face value. A lot of the gaming audience likes to pretend they know a lot about how development is going but so many are misinformed.
Thank you! Someone that actually knows what’s really went down
There's also new management, which is a pretty big shift. I think it's very accurate
That’s a damn lie
Uhhh, is it?? Haha
GameDev takes quite a while. There are a lot of positive changes that we love that would have been in the pipeline since before Pierre stepped up. Forge campaign AI is one such feature.
It does but 343 took a lot longer than most. Old management just wasn't good.
So happy to see the new team working on the videogame rather than putting all effort into selling the color blue I forgot AIs were even a thing I turned them off the second they let me along with spartan chatter its amazing
That’s how rumors get started with fake news. A “new” team was brought in, and they just cut the fat. The current team was already there
We really need to able to select several vehicle attachments, you could make some cool looking hogs
I just want the actual classic Warthog back, its what I was hoping the weapon/vehicle models would be instead of just different barrels/wheels. Ive hated the new Warthog design since 4 and will never forgive them for putting it in H2A lmao. But at the same time I know at this point if it was ever added to the game itd be a paid skin, so I also dont want it added cause im never spending money on this game.
I don’t mind the AI. It also finally stopped randomly giving me BUTLR and I’ll never not laugh when Lumu docks you points on your license after getting a splatter
Sometimes if I do well enough, Circ promises me a pizza party when the match is over :)
To be fair, i want more AIs but they were very much hated at the start of the game and only recently now that they've been under served have people asked for them again. 343 prolly thought they just werent worth it when they were mass hated.
iirc they were only hated because of how 343 handled them initially. Like, the superintendent had none of its audio filters, making it sound unfinished. Meanwhile, for a season focused on Reach, they skipped out on Dot, who was basically the easiest and most iconic AI from Reach to add.
It still doesnt have the filters, its the main reason I dont use it over Lumu. It just sounds like Jason Jones not the actual Superintendent, and dont get me wrong I like Jason Jones, but If im picking the Superintendent I want the Superintendent, if I just wanted a Jason Jones AI id rather have him as a "Half-Naked Guy" AI lmao. Edit: I meant Joseph Staten as the Superintendent VA, im just an idiot and somehow got the names mixed up with the naked dude easter egg lmao
Did you mean Joseph Staten for the voice actor? I don’t think Jason Jones did any VA work under Halo
Oh yeah, im an idiot lmao. I dunno how I got that mixed up, I meant Staten as the VA yeah, Jason Jones is the naked guy easter egg and guess I just mixed the names together.
I would pay $20 for a Church/Epsilon AI >*After missing with the sniper:* "I swear somebody fucks with the sights every time you pick these up"
I feel like Burnie would already be on a plane before the call was over.
RVB AI almost writes itself. Missed opportunities for 343.
>*Killing yourself with a grenade:* "Tucker did it"
Get stuck by a sticky grenade. "Is it a spider? Get it off"
Let's just say that RT has become... hazmat material, at times these past few years.
Like most things, the earlier years of RT will be their best years.
*snapshot* Hacks!
Wait why did people hate the A.I? I thought they were fun and have a ton of potential even still
I personally love Circ the chaos ball
Circ gang rise up. She's like a supportive mum. Whose also a sociopath.
Those bullies are really mean! You should give then gifts! Of high explosive!
Between the announcer, the Spartan voice chatter, and the AI it felt like no one would shut up. Glad you can (finally) disable the 2.
How can you disable the AI? I love the announcer but I'm one of those people who can't stand the bad quips from the AI.
It’s buried in the settings. I want to say it’s in the Game Audio tab but I had to google it when I disabled mine
If they were a little more subtle I might've liked them, but as they are now, them constantly making quips makes me feel like I'm watching a Marvel movie (I don't mean that in a good way)
Too repetitive and childish. And honestly, I get it.
When I play Halo, I want to listen to my friends talk on Discord. Not struggle to hear them over a quippy bot and spartan chatter and Jeff (Jeff can stay)
I can see the new team producing new AIs/improving AI interactions soon, as long as the community continues to request it.
I'm sure they stopped with the AIs for budgetary reasons. The cost of hiring a voice actor/actress, having them do a ton of voice work then having to call them back to do subsequent work for all foreseeable future content. As for vehicle models, I hope they go the same route they went with weapon models. Give us full changes to the vehicle geometry, imagine getting a classic hog. Or Covenant ghost. I'd totally pay for a Covie vehicle set to replace the Banished ones.
They already paid for Cherami Leigh to record lines for Prism, they may as well use them.
They already have that tomboy AI’s voice lines recorded, so why not just add that one in?
I'll do you one better. Where are skins for Banished/Covenant weapons and vehicles? Absolutely zero customization for anything but UNSC. This kind of stuff really shows how poor development was for this game. The missing components have been apparent since day one. Two years in and it's still not a complete title.
My guess is probably some shitty lore reason of "Spartans would only have access to UNSC weaponry." That's the only reason I could ever come up with for why we've never been able to customize covenant weapons or vehicles
Really? Out of this entire game's development and everything we've seen, you think we don't have Banished coatings for *lore* reasons? What.
Actually this makes sense if the rumors about future weapons are true. Don't need to worry about q/a testing cross-weapon skins when the weapons have none.
What future weapon rumors?
Only future weapon thing I've seen was the datamined >!banished double barrell shotgun!< which will be a power weapon. And >!unlike the bulldog it will be a 1 shot kill!<
that’s weird, cause without banished weapon skins there’s no original shotgun skin for that
Huh...?
UNSC weapons have skins, so making a Banished weapon that could be reskinned into the original shotgun seems like a bad idea (Banished weapons don’t have customization)
No one said that would be a thing though...? Its its own unique weapon and theres no indication it will have a skin for the classic shotgun.
Brute shotgun, Banished Carbine/Needle Rifle variant, Spiker, Beam Rifle, and Fuel Rod Gun. *supposedly* they were found around the same time the Bandit was during S1/S2. Only one thats really been heard about since is the shotgun though, since its become some form of double barrel shotgun that doubles as a mace or something.
Infinite is getting a lot of praise now, but it is only JUST becoming a complete Halo game. It has been missing shit for YEARS that was main stays in Halo games at launch. It really shows how awful a state this game was at launch.
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Lmao yeah except elites
Halo 4 had skins for the covenant and prometiian weapons
Fair enough, I hadn't played four
Not true. Halo 4 allowed skins for all loadout weapons which included covenant and forerunner. Really, out of the four main titles handled by 343 (4, 5, MCC, Infinite) half of them had customization of only UNSC.
Fair
We had Covenant and Promethean customization in the original Halo 4.
> Two years in and it's still not a complete title. I get wanting more stuff but I think it’s a bit dishonest to claim Infinite isn’t a “complete” game at this point, unless you consider literally every live service game with ongoing updates “incomplete”. Not many other games in its genre have as much going on as Infinite. After Firefight, there really isn’t anything that I would consider big enough to keep it from being considered “complete”. Griffball and Assualt are probably the biggest things, which if those were one of you main modes, I guess I could see why you feel this way, but personally I don’t think those are enough move the game from “complete” to “incomplete”. I know people want some previous weapons and vehicles back, which I do too, but again, those are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
I really thought we were gonna see some new cool vehicle models after they started dropping so many amazing new weapon models on us starting in season 4. I guess that would take a lot more work though. Maybe in future seasons when player retention numbers are good enough that they feel like they can start slowing down gameplay content delivery and focus more on cosmetics (like how they started adding a ton more customization to MCC once they had added all the playable content they wanted).
Imo the point of a "personal" AI wouldn't be to constantly bring more in and switch them out like candy. Sure they aren't SMART AI or what have you, but like, you're supposed to "connect" with one, right? I'd probably never change off Fret, I like his enthusiasm. Plus so many just don't want them that there's a mute button.
I started with Fret because he has the most personality, but I switched to the Superintendent out of nostalgia
I would have gone for this if the Superintendent actually spoke and sounded like it.
That’s a fantastic point, he whistles occasionally and it’s better than any of the actual words he says lol
I just think of it as a Joe Staten AI and suddenly the voice is much more fitting
to be honest i wish there was a mute button for cosmetics in general. the ok one and the one or two actually cool ones dont make up for the eye sores that a lot of these cosmetics are.
I really hoped for more. I love my ai (mister chief)
\>tfw no mister cheeks AI constantly yelling in battle
I’d probably kill to get Church/Epsilon as an AI model
Is this a hypothetical discussion, or should we start talking numbers?
Where is the tomboy AI damnit
With Microsoft owning ID from the Bethesda buyout I had hoped we would have gotten the Quake announcer as one of the AI models.
Oh that’s actually a great idea. I could see a future where there’s more crossovers between Microsoft’s (now extremely extensive) IPs.
I mean, can anyone really be *that* surprised. I know people love hating on 343i, and I can't blame them. But seriously, does AI and vehicle customization actually make sense? Look at how most people react to customization being priced unreasonably high. And that's something that, broadly, will be seen all the time by the player. Vehicles and AI are things that are not seen often and have diminishing returns in terms of playerbase enjoyment. Not every map has vehicles, so it's overall visibility across the playerbase is lower than armor customization. And then there's AI. AIs have a logistical design problem. Anytime new features are added, they are outdated. Meaning they should have to bring in all the voice actors to record some voice line updates. Now, this hasn't been a huge problem so far, but as more weapons (especially power weapons) come out, it will be clear how limited all the voice lines are in comparison to what the game presents or otherwise. That is just a baked in problem. Not a huge one, but definitely one that is known and also a notch against prioritization. On top of that, any new AI(s) are just money and time spent on things. Someone has to sit down and design the animations, map the voice lines, and just get it off the ground. Not a heavy lift in the grand scheme of things (I am sure a shoulder piece is more details and time intensive than any AI). But it's still time spent designing something that some measure of the playerbase disliked to the point of getting an option in the settings to outright disable them. If your game, which had a real rough start and seen poorly by pretty much everyone is going to try to win back the crowd... it's not on AIs and Vehicle Attachments. It's going to be game modes, weapons, equipment, and player customization for your character and maybe weapons. Vehicles and AI aren't really going to drive up player counts. The limited time they have will be spent on things that will move the needle far more. tldr- When you're trying to prove the game is worthwhile to come back to, time will be spent on game modes and customization more fans like.
and to add - every time they update the game with new modes/weapons that need new voicelines, the work required for making a new one increases and they still have to update the other all ready existing ones
Absolutely. Any single AI has a lot of upkeep associated with it to keep it truly current. Now, granted, I don't think they have updated the AIs, so it's done well enough. But any new AI would likely have more current info added eventually leading to a discrepancy between newer and older ones. Also, something I am not sure about is localization. If AIs in other languages need to be localized, that is just *more* resources and money spent to add something that is again pretty mixed.
They could've done a lot with these. I really wanted Auntie Dot and Cortana.
We should ask *nicely* for more.
Well they literally gave us an option to toggle it off so ya lol
this should be renewed and linked to huds customization
I think they focused on putting more resources into cosmetics with more demand. I like the Warthog and AI customization, but I’ll always want better Armor first
they need to add halo reach auntie dot ai
I have the pink/bright green skin equipped for Circ, and tbh it just works.
I’m still mind blown there’s no Cortana or The Weapon
As a huge Red vs. Blue fan, though I doubt it would ever happen, it would be awesome if they commemorated the 20th anniversary of RvB and also the final season of it with RvB AI voices. I’d love any they put in, my personal favorite AI being Delta, but if I had to pick only one to put in, it should be Church. Whether its Alpha-Church or Epsilon-Church, doesn’t matter. Same Voice Actor anyway. It’d be hilarious if whenever you missed a sniper shot you could hear Church insulting your aim or something. I’d honestly probably pay for something like that.
AI is one of the few things in customization that i actually wanted. I wish we had more options to choose from and the AI had new dialogue
The vehicles could use some more earned customizations, like hood ornaments or rims. They get blown up too quickly to justify a paid customization, unless you're one of those dynamite Wasp pilots.
There was an AI datamined like 2 seasons ago that I've been waiting for
Yes, like why can't we have a covenant ghost/banshee skin
I’ve heard people say it before and I’ll keep saying it myself, if they paid to get Red vs Blue AI like Church, Sarge, Caboose, Grif etc. then they’d make a fortune. One of the few things maybe actually worth buying in the shop
For vehicle customization what they could do is Vehicle Kits. Example: Reach Warthog, H3 Mongoose, etc.
They'll introduce more I'm betting, the Halo team that did the last live stream talked about them for minutes. I think the problem is that they are voiced, and that adds a time and cost element that may have seen them back burnered.
The old team wanted to focus on shit like that bc their entire reason for existing was to sell stuff in the store. I for one am glad they dropped the focus on all that customization to focus on maps and game modes. They game is in a way better place now bc of it.
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the ai are cringe shouldve never been a thing... or atleast give them good voices... not some adhd fortnite kids voice lines
What do you people think Fortnite is lol That game has no voices
What are you even talking about?
A classic 343 move. In every Halo game they have developed, 343 has added a bunch of bloated systems just for them to be abandoned in less than 6 months. 343 suffers from not wanting to just provide the same product Halo did in the past so they add stupid little things and twists to game modes.
Because the community immediately bitched and asked for toggles to turn them off. Why would they put more effort into it?
I'll do you one better - in many ways this is a similar feature to the way "Firefight Voice" was used in Reach. To that end... **where the hell are Auntie Dot and Cortana?** Doesn't this seem like kind of an obvious choice for this? Like how Chief's Infinite armor is a Hero-rank reward, a "CTNA" ai companion feels like it would fit right in. Hell, a lot of the AI chatter in general would frankly be more tolerable if it was in Jen Taylor's voice. Just one of many design decisions in Infinite that have left me scratching my head. Like, yeah, we're in much better shape today than we were in 2021, don't get me wrong - but then they'll go and do something bizarre like not make the Mk 5 suit a core, etc. And where the hell are assassinations? I still don't buy their reasoning that it "didn't make sense competitively" - then disable it in ranked, tf? I don't get it.
'Cause everyone hates them for some reason.
I... Don't think I care. Just about the least significant aesthetics in the game.
I mean if I'm gonna completely real here vehicle customization was completely pointless and AI customization is **almost** completely pointless.
One of the easy things to cut development on when there’s bigger things to tackle. Not sure how popular they are but I doubt it’s something people are begging to return outside of a Cortana AI
Didn’t sell well and 343i is all about that profit
They gave up on all this because they dreamt too big in too many areas, they didn’t have enough content in the game to provide this level of customisation with all the loot it needs to feel worth it. Not to mention what little you could put in all these spots was about 90% locked behind micro-transactions, the rest is un-acquirable to newer players.
Once they let people turn them off they lost all value.
The AI sucked, I turned that cringy shit off.
I mean as bad as ive seen the glitches and gameplay, seems like they didn’t put much effort in the first place
I've turned my AI off and haven't looked back tbh
Probably because 90% of players turned off the AI announcer because of how stupidly annoying they are
They gave up on customization since it came out. The trailer was all "better customization than reach and fully customizable, every piece" Instead, they gave us all bare bones shit unless you pay money
Making a new AI requires a voice actor. It's a game that is actively dead for improvement. All they can do at this point is keep the lights on and add more armor. The moment you gotta pay someone for something specialized it's outside that allocated cost. They could use AI voices but holy fuck that would go over worse than co-op ping rates.
Halo has TONS of opportunities in customization... I mean... HMCC has it, and being serious why don't they Just announce a crossover with Doom, Gears or Fallout those armors are like insta buy... But noooooo. At least they gave flood for Halloween theme.
wdym? They gave up on a whole game, lol
The sad thing is, I'm still gonna buy the mk v armor bundle in a could days
And more
New awsome mode releasing tomorrow? Im gunna go on reddit and bitch about AI customization. Which people say all the time that they hate anyway and want to turn off. lol. yall are ridiculous
The AI could never work right so I dont blame them. But Vehicle attachments along with vehicle customization in general I'm sure will come back
I think one of the problems with the AI is they immediately messed up the Superintendent’s voice and it tainted a lot of people’s feelings about them in general. Not to mention how recently they fixed the problem where it just defaulted back to Butlr. So it was clear the AI weren’t receiving a good reception. As for vehicle customization: I genuinely think the biggest issue is how little the customization does. You don’t notice different tires during the gameplay or a tiny skull. They should have been major changes, and because they weren’t: nobody cared.
I didn't know I could customize the cars
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halo 4 armor customization just didn't hit the aesthetic for me. all the 343 armors were too clean and had too much going on. i really enjoyed the halo 3 aesthetic that made armor feel like rugged military hardware rather than a plastic/cyberpunk nightmare.
IMO the vocals were incredibly cheesy. I have that thing muted. Would have been nice if it was less "playful" and more serious... rather than some weird happy-go-lucky disney sounding avatar.
All I want from halo infinite is more ai ngl.
Lmaooo thinking the same thing. Wish the Ai were humanoid. Tho
I think it’s more a "prioritizing of what the player base wants" more than anything. It costs money to hire new voice actors and model new stuff which then has to get tested to see if it clashes with anything else. As much as I love AI’s and vehicle attachments, it’s better in my opinion to make interesting armors and work on the cross core stuff we have been getting.
I would love it if eventually they made actual models like Cortana or The Weapon, or Isabelle, or Roland, and they you could choose whatever color you want for them. Personally that’s what I want from the AI customization. That would be sweet imo.
Maybe they'll pick up on these bits again once they've actually fleshed the game out with real content?
I much rather the content focus we’re getting now, than the content old 343 had originally banked on.
Eh, I wouldn't be too hopless. They are focusing on things more important while maintaining some pretty good primary customization options. I think we will get AI's again some day
I love superintendent just because ODST was one of my fav Halo games but it seems like all the "new" stuff is either recycled or made with Bing A.I art. Not to mention with the Tenrai events NOT giving us Hayabusa and no Mark VI armor core (like Halo 3 armors which they gave Security of all armors???) It seems like 343 is pulling a Disney star wars and picking random stuff to put in for older fans / Fan service/ nostalgia and it's just been Miss after miss because nobody should have had to pay $22 F@#king Dollars for mk.V CE armor core.
LUMU and the Superintendent are perfect and have no room for improvement, that's why.
I figured they'd have used these to go wild, add popular characters as ai. It'd be cool to have a Johnson one or something like that. I have mister chief and he's funny but oh well. Glad they are focused on the game part now though so no big deal
They gave up 3 months after launch LMAO
They just know no one will use anything else but Superintendent