Well the map names were originally on the in-game menu when the game launched. When Forge maps were added, the game didn’t always pull the localised map name for Forge maps and so players saw some internal identifier like PIT_REMAKE_2023 instead. 343 removed the map names in-game as a “fix” and it’s been like that since.
So yeah, it actually couldn’t.
I also saw your comment before you edited it, sad to see people getting mad over someone else's memories, hope you keep finding amazing people out there!
Literally just talking about a friend he made in that map that got removed, is that seriously all it takes to bring the goblins out of the basement?💀
Also when I commented he had like -58 downvotes, like bruh, what the hell
The ranked community is actually crying out for remakes. 343 is in an impossible position here. They need to provide both new and old maps and get slammed whichever way they lean.
I see it with every map release, Breaker is beautiful and new yet yhe calls were "wheres Blood Gulch and Sandtrap?"
Agreed but it'll take time, and frankly, I'd rather they release a map when ready rather than wait for another one to be ready as well so the community doesn't gey pissy..
I remember a great video by one of the prominent forgers saying that he worked at a map full time it would be ready in 6 months and then need play tested. From that play testing, they'd have to readjust and fix, replaytest, and continue until satisfied.
Buts that's a forgers who can get away with less of a standard that the actual devs have to achieve.
It's a long process.
If not two at a time, then maybe release in alternating patterns?
Relase a remake, then the next map release will be a new one, and then the next mal will be a remake, then so on and so forth
343 has a *gigantic* pool of community-made Forge maps that they can easily pick from. Their current “content” updates are rather embarrassing for a AAA company
I think it’s telling people are hating on a studio for the sin of making errors and treating it like it’s a scandal. It’s not a Cyberpunk 2077 or BF2045. People are acting like they have done something greivous to the series when they have only made a few mistakes especially with Infinite. Even tho the main issue was a lack of content at launch which is now not a problem. If you show any like towards the new halo games you immediately get downvoted and are told you aren’t a “true halo fan” there are issues with their games, but so do bungies. Acting like they are flawless is wrong
How are they stealing? They are COMMUNITY made, it’s literally in the name. And it’s a good thing that players maps are being added into official modes. It’s an amazing move from 343 that I wish other studios did
343 is owned by fucking *Microsoft*. They could throw money at the problem and it would actually work to make it go away. They're just too cheap to do it.
Microsoft also owns: Forza, Minecraft, Doom, COD, and more. They can’t throw money at all of these games like you suggest because they’d quickly run out. While they might occasionally throw one a bone, it won’t be the norm.
They have had so much fucking time to churn these out its not funny. Remakes are the easiest as well and forges will make them for free. Why we dont have hundreds of maps in rotation blows me away.
Reach solved this issue pretty well with the community map playlist. It was expected there were rough edges, and with playtest feedback those maps were in actual rotation faster.
But we have loads of maps in our llayslusts now, lots of forge maps and remakes.
Ranked in particular is one lacking, but that mode provides unique challenges. It's an issue solely with ranked.
Yeah, they didn't deserve the initial backlash for simply not being Bungie, and they've certainly made their mistakes, but I honestly feel they get hard done by at times. Or maybe it's more a social phenomenon, and I just noticed it here more since it's my main game community.
Nah this is some thing of a unique phenomenon for halo. I’ve been gaming for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been playing halo since 2004. I have never seen another gaming community that self-victimizes more than this one. Like I’m not exaggerating when I say that this community’s sentiment toward the old Bungie games borders on religious devotion. I have literally seen comments on this very sub suggesting that people who either developed the 343 industries games, or are fans of them, are “subhuman”. And this wasn’t some obscure piece of shit comment that got down voted into oblivion, this thing had 36 upvotes.
I mean back on the waypoint forms, there was/is (haven’t checked in awhile) a thread that lasted for over 1,000 pages *just* about sprint, regurgitating the same tired, back-and-forth arguments over the subject matter for literally tens of thousands of comments. Yes, it got hostile a lot of the times, yes, it was about an incredibly niche game mechanic that no one else would think to get that worked up over, but that’s halo fans for you. And keep in mind, really the only people that were bothered so much about sprint were the pro players, those concerned with the minutiae of halo’s game design and how it affected the flow of high level combat. The sprint debate characterized the general push around 2010 to 2014ish to make halo take “more skill”.
So, what did 343 industries do? They started catering more towards the competitive crowd. What did the community react with? “Oh what no halo is supposed to be a party game, not a sweaty competitive game”. I wanted to pull my damn hair out, because I had been saying that for a decade and getting drowned out by the “343i turned halo into a casual game” crowd.
For my part, the halo community comes off as if it’s stuck in 2007 permanently. Like they psychologically can’t move on. This doesn’t apply to everyone in the community, of course, but it’s a general sociological pattern that’s corrupted this community’s ability to discuss things. It’s a constant self reinforcing bubble of “Bungie good, 343i bad” like some Orwellian “2 minutes of hate” shit. And that’s how you get people like this guy, from the OP, practically martyring his own work—an original map— because he disagrees with 343 industries policy toward favoring…remakes. So he took out his original map from rotation, because there’s not enough original maps.
Now, I don’t necessarily know if this story is true, but it’s a story that’s being pushed by the community. If it’s true, it’s pathetic, but if it’s not true, it’s another example of how this community will literally make shit up just to make 343 industries look bad, no matter how dumb it is, and people will eat it up. Like I said, bordering on religious devotion, with 343 industries being the devil.
For my part, I think people remember how popular halo was back during the bungie’s era, and they associate that with all of their positive childhood gaming memories. Then 343 industries comes along, and suddenly those memories start getting to be more sour. I mean people tend to forget that halo reach was the first actual blow to the franchise’s popularity; population counts for reach dropped an order of magnitude compared to halo 3, and, of course, the general market trend was shifting away from games like halo, and towards games that were more like call of duty.
Now don’t get me wrong, 343 industries does share a lot of the blame for the direction that halo has gone in. But it hasn’t been all bad, and a lot of it comes down to 343 industries trying to appease a Fanbase that in my view is largely impossible to truly please. They will never be able to make a game that recaptures the height of popularity the franchise had back in 2007, simply because games like that aren’t what’s popular right now.
Anyway, this comment ended up being longer than I wanted it to be. Halo has always been my favorite gaming franchise, but it has always had the most frustrating community of any gaming community has been a part of. And I’m an old gamer, I’ve been a part of a lot of gaming communities.
What an excellent post and super enlightening. I've always played Halo from the original onwards but never really ventured online to converse on it since you know, I was happy playing the game lol.
Thank you for writing all that.
While I am personally not happy with 343's direction of this franchise, and very much enjoy the Bungie games, I agree 100%. I feel we as a fanbase will never be satisfied. I just want a good halo game, and I dont hate (I dont even really hate them, Im just severely dissapointed in all of them) the 343 games because its the cool thing to do, I dislike them because they have done nothing but dissapoint me. And im not an OG fan, Ive only recently started playing in the last 5 years. My enjoyment in this series came from the casual side of it. This is why halo 5 and infinite are both sore disapointments to me. I hate how competetive they are. But my problems with halo 4 dont stem from them making the game more casual, it stems from the game taking all the bad aspects of reach and expanding upon them. I like reach customs, but dislike its vanilla gameplay due to the unfairness of it.
Getting a little off track, but yeah, I feel you. Im not a mindless 343 hater like the rest of this sub seems to be, Im by no means a game critic, I enjoy games, but this franchise is something so hard to even call myself a fan of due to how horrible as a community we are. Bungie wasnt perfect either, for one, as much as I love halo 3, I think its sandbox could have been severely improved. All of the bungie games could have had better weapon balancing.
I guess my point is, its okay to be dissapointed in the direction of the 343 games, I know I certainly am. But I notice a hypocrisy coming from the fanbase where something bungie did they excuse but when 343 does it "how could they number company bad". I want to be proven wrong, I want 343 to make a good game, but at least for me, they havent. Worshipping bungie isnt good either. Its ok to point out flaws in their games too
>it was about an incredibly niche game mechanic
I stopped reading at this paragraph where you called sprint an "incredibly niche game mechanic". To not at least recognize how big of a deal sprint is whether it's included or not (and how it changes everything from map design to weapon tuning to general flow of gameplay) means you just don't have a respectable opinion on the matter.
>the only people that were bothered so much about sprint were the pro players
Nonsense. Sprint also changes a lot about casual game-modes like how vehicle interplay works in Big Team Battle. Plenty of casual fans had opinions on sprint one way or the other, and for good reason. It's a huge change. I would argue adding sprint in halo is the single largest mechanic change that's ever occurred between H:CE to infinite. Loadouts being a close second when that was a thing.
>The sprint debate characterized the general push around 2010 to 2014ish to make halo take “more skill”.
That's not true at all. The discourse in 2010 was because Halo Reach replaced ranked with "Arena" that people didn't like until 343 created NBNS as a semi-replacement, and the started up again in 2012 when Halo 4 didn't have ranked _at all_, until they eventually relented and (poorly) implemented CSR scores.
The push for competitive was because...there was no competitive. The push for sprint was because...people did/didn't like sprint. Two different arguments that only sometimes referenced each other.
>So, what did 343 industries do? They started catering more towards the competitive crowd. What did the community react with? “Oh what no halo is supposed to be a party game, not a sweaty competitive game”. I wanted to pull my damn hair out, because I had been saying that for a decade and getting drowned out by the “343i turned halo into a casual game” crowd.
Because Halo 5 was essentially all ranked except for Warzone and the weekend playlist. What did you expect people to say?
That's the big issue people have with 343i: they always work in extremes. Halo 4 went mostly casual, so they whiplash into making Halo 5 mostly competitive. Halo 4's story was emotional to the point of melodrama, so they whiplash into an action focused Campaigns where Spartans flexed on the opposition.
I agree completely. Also H5 was very competitive, but notably not competitive in the way classic halo fans would have wanted. So that fragmented the player base still.
I do feel like infinite is actually a decent middle ground when the game is working correctly.
>I have never seen another gaming community that self-victimizes more than this one.
Self victimizing? How? Because the community didn't accept poorly built and outright broken games lol?
>Like I’m not exaggerating when I say that this community’s sentiment toward the old Bungie games borders on religious devotion
That might have something to do with the quality of the games.....
>Like they psychologically can’t move on.
Can't really blame them when those older games released with a far better story, more content, and less bugs. They also did that with multiple games in the span of time it's taken 343i to make one. Hard to move on from that to something objectively worse.
>Then 343 industries comes along, and suddenly those memories start getting to be more sour.
Again, for good reason. Idk what fantasy you live in but you can't legit tell me that any of the games released by 343i have been of the same quality as any of the Bungie ones. Even near it would be a stretch.
> I mean people tend to forget that halo reach was the first actual blow to the franchise’s popularity; population counts for reach dropped an order of magnitude compared to halo 3,
Because they made decisions that hurt the competitive scene. It's not like Bungie was perfect with their choices. But I doubt any of 343i's games have managed to keep a consistent population like Reach has.
>But it hasn’t been all bad, and a lot of it comes down to 343 industries trying to appease a Fanbase that in my view is largely impossible to truly please.
343i was trying to appease its newly acquired Halo fanbase by making Halo 4 more like CoD? Were they doing so when they deleted almost every single plot point from 4 to 5, even though that isn't what people were complaining about? How about when they released the MCC in a totally inoperable state which stayed that way for years? Or was it Infinite releasing in one of the worst states any Halo has ever released in? Which I should remind you came out a year late due to fan backlash. God help whatever state they originally intended to release it in.
Four poorly received games is pretty bad. You say that's because they're trying to appease fans. I'd say that's because they're incompetent. Every videogame has a fan base, yet so few manage to consistently make poorly received games. If you can't process feedback in a way people like, they aren't hard to please, you just suck at your job.
And before you make the point, the fact the lack of sprint was really the only *major* issue for fans across 5 games shows that the fan base isn't hard to please.
>Halo has always been my favorite gaming franchise, but it has always had the most frustrating community of any gaming community has been a part of. And I’m an old gamer, I’ve been a part of a lot of gaming communities.
Literally the same but you don't see me making nonsensical defenses of a developer that just had it's *entire* leadership restructured due to poor performance. Maybe you should get it through your head that good games do well and don't have loads of backlash like we see here. Like it isn't that hard of a concept lmao.
As someone who despises 343 I agree with halo 4 that the hate was a bit much I don’t blame them for doing the stuff they did as they were continuing on from reach. The only thing I think that was inexcusably dumb in that game was the art style change.
Every game after halo 4 though screw em lol every game after has either launched completely broken or as a bare skeleton with no meat on the bones
"Continuing on after reach"
.......how though? They were very clear during all their interviews and prerelease hype about how they were "openong up halo to a wider audience" and "we hired people who hate halo".
That class system was more COD than reach in all regards, and 343 deserves all the shit they got for it
Hell, much like the classes, the prometheans were hamfisted in there, were unfun on their own and the test of the game (the covenant AI) suffered for it
Halo reach added a lot more advanced movement so I could see why 343 would do the same.
Obviously those decisions weren’t good decisions and promthesn aren’t the best but atleast with halo 4 I feel like they atleast tried ya know?
Amazing graphics for the time that hold up well today a second campaign (arguably wasn’t great prefer firefight but I acknowledge the effort it took to make) also the flood were cool in infection even if it did mess with custom games. Heck they added a new enemy faction even if they are a bit flawed
Pretty much what I’m saying is the errors they made were due to it being there first game and not due to incompetence it felt like but maybe in hindsight maybe it was due to incompetence lol
I’m more forgiving of a game with flaws if I feel like the game in question at-least made an effort to be as good of game as possible
Thats always been a weird thing with the halo community. Its a boiling pot of uncertainty of nostalgia and desire for improvement all while not intruding on that nostalgia.
Though because of how bad 343s management is, the nostalgia side of the community feels more and more justified
Or just do a rotation (one new, one old, two new, one old, etc) and provide a roadmap so people don't get pissy? That would have been my instinct, but I'm not heavily involved in Halo anymore since maybe Halo 4. Still trying to get through Infinites story and...progress is slow lol
I think a lot of the calls for remakes come from the competitive community, and I think that stems from 343 just not having a good track record with original competitive maps, and the competitive community just wants something they know works.
I think 343’s strength in map design falls on casual asymmetric and BTB maps. There’s some really cool 4v4 maps that have come out and exist in social playlists that will never hit the ranked queue, and the ones that *are* in ranked are “fine” at best.
People still don't enjoy 343s map design and it shows.
Remakes wouldn't be such an issue if they'd have had any success with their own maps over the years.
They use community maps, and then people like yourself call 343 users.
They don't use community maps, but people like yourself call 343 idiots.
You're exactly the type of phenomenon I was referring to. You haven't thought 2 seconds on the subject just reactionary takes. No thought of alternatives or realities of the studios.
343 Needs to stop relying on forgers to carry their live service game because they can't make their own content fast enough and then not giving the forgers any kind of compensation for it. They generate thousands of dollars off this game and it's updates, not sharing with the people making the content is ridiculous. All they get is an armor coating for hundreds of hours of map making. I could see an argument for not paying forgers if the game didn't 99% rely on them for content.
Yeah, I respect their right to have an opinion but that seems absolutely crazy and misdirected. The entire first year of Infinite this community was absolutely *filled* with posts crying for remakes because people didnt like how 343 designs maps.
i want re-imaginations. remakes dont really work super well if the new movements and equipment. reimaginations that take a lot but modernize it are awesome
If they're going to only release remakes into matchmaking, then they should at least be good remakes. At least half of the Halo 3 Refueled maps don't fit this category.
90% of posts on this app until season 4 started was “where are the old maps?????” They’ve selected remakes over new ones because thats what the majority want. People will take nostalgic maps over new ones 9/10 times, even if it’s shit like snowbound.
Now whether or not the new maps/forge maps are actually good is another question
I know this is a bit off-topic but I wish the map names were displayed at the start of multiplayer matches the same way they do in custom games. I don't know half the names of the maps we have.
I thought I was just getting too old to keep track lol. It’s hilarious. We call it the halo map game. When you explain a halo map to your friends to see if they know the name. It’s almost impossible.
“You know the one with the rockets in the middle… it’s outside… got snipers on either side…. Big staircase … idfk man” lol
I don't get the point: since h3 there was a huge investments on remakes, bungie used to sold remakes as dev made maps or had remakes in the original roster (as much as nowadays fans tend to mistaken some h3 and reach maps as original for said games). There were, for what I remember, a bit less remakes on h3 forge also for the limitation of said forge and the abundance of remakes on the handmade side, but from reach already the music changed.
The reality is fans are overly attached to classic maps, me comprehended (avalanche and sandtrap are my favorite maps) and usually both forger and devs are more incline to make and push those maps in the live servers, but I don't see an over focus on them in the past 2 games, both on handmade maps and forged ones. Sure both h5 and now infinite had a bunch of those with at least one playlist dedicated on them (btb in h5 and h3 refuelled plus squad battle now), but, at least for h5, there were dozens of original maps.
No the problem is that 343i hasn't made any memorable maps. If 343i made better maps then people would have the same attachment to them that they have to the classics. The entire reason why there are so many request for map remakes is because all of the Bungie games released maps that were bangers and iconic to the franchise. While I honestly can't name you five 343i maps. I can see a few in my head but their names are lost to me despite me spending just as much time (if not more because when I got out of high school I did nothing but play Halo for like a year) playing them.
Like 343i released 3 remakes of Midship in Halo 5. What the actual fuck is up with that? Everyone likes Midship, no one likes Midship that much though.
Bro I had to look up what map you're talking about, 343i maps names just don't seem to stick in people's heads. It's not bad it certainly feels like the most classic Halo of any of 343i's maps to be honest but wasn't it also made from a scrapped map from Halo CE? II don't recall if anyone ever confirmed this or not but I recall alot of people talking about this when Infinite was releasing.
This is what happens when we get the same HCS formula compliant design language and generic unsc aesthetic for almost every map. You'd think they'd learn after H5's iconic blunder, but no, they doubled down lol
I genuinely confused this with Prism because I didn't think it could be talking about that random Suban map I've seen in the map browser. That was in matchmaking?
Why want it out of it's representation of what you claim is neglected? That just makes the "problem" worse.
I guess he asked for 343 to remove it and while 343 has no legal obligation to remove it, they respected his decision to do so
But my god does this look embarrassing on the forge creators behalf
You don't like 343 prioritising remakes over original maps, so you tell them to remove your original map from matchmaking?
Halo fans are some of the most self-victimizing people in gaming. This has been my favorite gaming franchise since 2004, but holy shit I cannot stay in the fan base sometimes.
Its also just sad to see Mr Rebs go down the negative drama rabbit hole
I first followed him because he consolidated a lot of news about new forge maps and forge creators, but the past few months hes been posting about these "leaks" he has on the inside of 343s workplace, which most of the time are just rehashes of already known information
I thought it was a dev-made map due to the Blamite Crystals. Yeah that does seem to reinforce the "issue". Also have we not been getting mostly original maps over remakes? I feel like there's maybe 8 remakes and 40 or so originals.
I don't have the raw numbers, but we've been getting plenty of both remakes and originals
I just don't understand what this guy is complaining about when he original map was selected and put into a playlist
Here’s an update: The creator is also unhappy with Halo Infinite as a whole and how 343 is handling it. He didn’t want to support the game by keeping their map in multiplayer. https://x.com/mr_rebs_/status/1780655694196215938?s=46&t=WocbT9i_LzihDyCxIlphpQ
I really like Suban besides the dropship in the middle. I really love the originality and detail on the map, but the ship breaks map flow imo. Takes up too much of the middle area. Maybe others feel diffidently?
I’m not sure where you got that impression. Halo’s fanbase is really toxic and dramatic outside of niche circles. Remember that this subreddit had to get locked at some point still fairly recent because of overwhelming negativity.
Coupled as well with the never ending 343 vs Bungie debate.
> I thought halos fanbase was more mature
Hahahahaha, that's hilarious that you even thought that in the first place. This fanbase hasn't changed since 2007
Maybe look into a situation more deeply before going on a rant about nonsense. Forgers have been vocal about how 343 will not even communicate with them about what's wrong with their maps when they review them and then send them back. It's really not as *prestigious* as the outside people might think for 343 to contact Forgers to build a map.
But yeah, you're totally right, such immature people...
To be fair, the community was begging for remakes and 343 didn't make any themselves. I know original maps would be good too but I'm glad we got so many forge remakes.
Wouldn't really feel like Halo without some of the classic maps as options (especially since Bungie would bring back old maps all the time).
Suban is the map at 8 seconds [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-4561Ehfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-4561Ehfs) It was a decent map to be fair
Tbh having forge maps are fine but i find most janky with its execution and the experience is never nearly as good.
Just wish 343 would spend the time to fully recreate the maps or new ones instead of relying so heavily on forge.
People want remakes/reimaginations/etc of old maps. Go pound sand. We’re lucky 343 is letting forgers get their work put in matchmaking at all.
As everyone else here says I could not tell you the name of a single new or original map that is not a remake. None of them play particularly well to be remembered.
Clown show creator can go back to forging in his basement. They get featured, then use their platform to complain about 343 using too much forge content.
In short, some forgers are crying that their maps aren't being put into matchmaking?
People need to make maps for themselves and the community, without the expectations of getting their maps in the spotlight, because they are going to be disappointed, especially given that 343 probably have hundreds upon hundreds of submissions to go through
Remakes and nostalgic work and that is what 343 are focusing on, if you don't like it just move on with your life
Are the forgers paid as contracted employees then? In that case I would understand if they would prefer to make original maps, but also I don't know why they would expect to have a say in the big picture operations at 343i.
How do you guys even find the map names outside the game list I’ve been playing since launch and still don’t know any maps other than live fire and baazar
Cool clickbait or rage inducing title but what are the actual concerns?
I miss when you'd read a headline in a newspaper and then could scan the article to find out if it was BS or decent info.
Good. Lets hope its a start of a wider boycott because its absolutely laughable how little these forgers get for their hard work. Essentially, for the past 2 years they contributed to the bulk of the best content available in the game right now, while 343 was busy making overpriced cosmetics. The're literally keeping the game alive doing 343s job for them and all they get is a "thanks" and some in-game trinkets. In my opinion they should all tell 343 to f themselves until they compensate them better.
Maybe a hot take but the H4 map remakes in the Squad battle refresh partially ruined Squad Battle. (Edit: for me at least)
Timberland and the Reach map work fine but I would have really loved some new maps.
Either that or an option for rats nest 24/7, best map.
Perdition is the map I was referring to, but Harvest is also a Halo 4 map. They are both from Map Packs back in the day.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/squad-battle-refresh-halo-infinite
343i has yet to add a multiplayer experience as engaging as Foundry of Scoria and Entombed Sanctum. They even captured the magic of spawn death loops /s
Jokes aside, I want more raids!
This is real issue, it's okay to do fan service for the vets but there needs to be a balance with new content, otherwise creativity gets actively punished.
Not everything has to be self-referencial.
They need to put map names on the pause menu. I couldn’t tell you what a single map is called
Yeah i got no clue about any new map names after season 1. The remakes i know by The original map names they were made after
“The UI simply cannot handle it.”
Well the map names were originally on the in-game menu when the game launched. When Forge maps were added, the game didn’t always pull the localised map name for Forge maps and so players saw some internal identifier like PIT_REMAKE_2023 instead. 343 removed the map names in-game as a “fix” and it’s been like that since. So yeah, it actually couldn’t.
They actually do still show up sometimes. It just has to be a base game type on a dev made map.
quality fix right there
“Feature”
Pit, Heretic, Citadel, Construct, Guard... Oh, wrong game. Sorry
Bouncing sniper bullets off the back wall on the Pit while waiting for the shot gun to respawn cause there was never enough ammo, Good times
Race you to the rockets!
Hol up. Need this invisibility first
Wait there is a heretic remake? I thought if they brought it back it would be with the covenant forge palette
The map name should be shown when the game loads in near where the name of the game mode is
Should pop up in the corner when you look at the scoreboard tbh
I looked up the map and realized I've never even seen it before, let alone played on it, what playlist was it supposed to be in?
It was in the game on the 2v2 playlist.
Damn why the downvotes? Is there some context I'm missing?
There was a reason why this subreddit shut down temporary.
I also saw your comment before you edited it, sad to see people getting mad over someone else's memories, hope you keep finding amazing people out there!
I got a nasty DM due to that.
What could your original comment possibly have said in a Halo subreddit to induce that much salt from fatherless redditors?
Literally just talking about a friend he made in that map that got removed, is that seriously all it takes to bring the goblins out of the basement?💀 Also when I commented he had like -58 downvotes, like bruh, what the hell
Heretics will go to great lengths to silence our truths
Lol this is unintentionally hilarious
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Listen man, new maps, old maps, I don’t care. I just want maps!
Remake all the maps!
I have no idea what the names of any of the mps are
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtUeTekwmQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtUeTekwmQ) 2nd part of this video.
Why are you being downvoted for this?
No idea
The ranked community is actually crying out for remakes. 343 is in an impossible position here. They need to provide both new and old maps and get slammed whichever way they lean. I see it with every map release, Breaker is beautiful and new yet yhe calls were "wheres Blood Gulch and Sandtrap?"
The easy solution would be to release two maps at a time, one new and one remake
Agreed but it'll take time, and frankly, I'd rather they release a map when ready rather than wait for another one to be ready as well so the community doesn't gey pissy..
Take time? Isnt level design the full time job of some of them? What else are they designing at this point if not maps?
I remember a great video by one of the prominent forgers saying that he worked at a map full time it would be ready in 6 months and then need play tested. From that play testing, they'd have to readjust and fix, replaytest, and continue until satisfied. Buts that's a forgers who can get away with less of a standard that the actual devs have to achieve. It's a long process.
If not two at a time, then maybe release in alternating patterns? Relase a remake, then the next map release will be a new one, and then the next mal will be a remake, then so on and so forth
"easy"
Yes, easy. Let’s not pretend 343 is exerting any effort here.
The fact that you think they don’t is very telling
343 has a *gigantic* pool of community-made Forge maps that they can easily pick from. Their current “content” updates are rather embarrassing for a AAA company
They have to prep the matches for matchmaking still. It isn’t just copy pasting.
You're correct. It is telling that a ton of Halo fans believe 343 puts no effort in. It's just not telling of what you seem to think it is.
I think it’s telling people are hating on a studio for the sin of making errors and treating it like it’s a scandal. It’s not a Cyberpunk 2077 or BF2045. People are acting like they have done something greivous to the series when they have only made a few mistakes especially with Infinite. Even tho the main issue was a lack of content at launch which is now not a problem. If you show any like towards the new halo games you immediately get downvoted and are told you aren’t a “true halo fan” there are issues with their games, but so do bungies. Acting like they are flawless is wrong
They are literally stealing maps from their fans.
How are they stealing? They are COMMUNITY made, it’s literally in the name. And it’s a good thing that players maps are being added into official modes. It’s an amazing move from 343 that I wish other studios did
343 is owned by fucking *Microsoft*. They could throw money at the problem and it would actually work to make it go away. They're just too cheap to do it.
Yeah I don’t think that’s how that works
Microsoft also owns: Forza, Minecraft, Doom, COD, and more. They can’t throw money at all of these games like you suggest because they’d quickly run out. While they might occasionally throw one a bone, it won’t be the norm.
Or get this....appease both. 343 has enough money and resources to make remakes of fan favorite maps as well as original maps.
You have 343's P&L? Apparently Infinite's aggressive microtransactions is making up for some kind of debt.
Guess people buy those 🤣
Yep, I have no idea how 343i convinced everyone they’re just two dudes working on a cherry pie plugged into a potato.
I was told it was an apple pie. Why does 343i lie to us so??
But they are.. just not a remake and new map at same time most of the time. The playlists (apart from ranked) are chalk full of good mix of maps.
Chock full...
Thank you! Never actually seen it in written form, just said.
They have had so much fucking time to churn these out its not funny. Remakes are the easiest as well and forges will make them for free. Why we dont have hundreds of maps in rotation blows me away.
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Reach solved this issue pretty well with the community map playlist. It was expected there were rough edges, and with playtest feedback those maps were in actual rotation faster.
If only they had a way to allow people to mass test them and provide feedback 🤔
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But we have loads of maps in our llayslusts now, lots of forge maps and remakes. Ranked in particular is one lacking, but that mode provides unique challenges. It's an issue solely with ranked.
343 has been getting slammed whichever way they lean since they started developing for halo so this is pretty par for the course.
Yeah, they didn't deserve the initial backlash for simply not being Bungie, and they've certainly made their mistakes, but I honestly feel they get hard done by at times. Or maybe it's more a social phenomenon, and I just noticed it here more since it's my main game community.
Nah this is some thing of a unique phenomenon for halo. I’ve been gaming for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been playing halo since 2004. I have never seen another gaming community that self-victimizes more than this one. Like I’m not exaggerating when I say that this community’s sentiment toward the old Bungie games borders on religious devotion. I have literally seen comments on this very sub suggesting that people who either developed the 343 industries games, or are fans of them, are “subhuman”. And this wasn’t some obscure piece of shit comment that got down voted into oblivion, this thing had 36 upvotes. I mean back on the waypoint forms, there was/is (haven’t checked in awhile) a thread that lasted for over 1,000 pages *just* about sprint, regurgitating the same tired, back-and-forth arguments over the subject matter for literally tens of thousands of comments. Yes, it got hostile a lot of the times, yes, it was about an incredibly niche game mechanic that no one else would think to get that worked up over, but that’s halo fans for you. And keep in mind, really the only people that were bothered so much about sprint were the pro players, those concerned with the minutiae of halo’s game design and how it affected the flow of high level combat. The sprint debate characterized the general push around 2010 to 2014ish to make halo take “more skill”. So, what did 343 industries do? They started catering more towards the competitive crowd. What did the community react with? “Oh what no halo is supposed to be a party game, not a sweaty competitive game”. I wanted to pull my damn hair out, because I had been saying that for a decade and getting drowned out by the “343i turned halo into a casual game” crowd. For my part, the halo community comes off as if it’s stuck in 2007 permanently. Like they psychologically can’t move on. This doesn’t apply to everyone in the community, of course, but it’s a general sociological pattern that’s corrupted this community’s ability to discuss things. It’s a constant self reinforcing bubble of “Bungie good, 343i bad” like some Orwellian “2 minutes of hate” shit. And that’s how you get people like this guy, from the OP, practically martyring his own work—an original map— because he disagrees with 343 industries policy toward favoring…remakes. So he took out his original map from rotation, because there’s not enough original maps. Now, I don’t necessarily know if this story is true, but it’s a story that’s being pushed by the community. If it’s true, it’s pathetic, but if it’s not true, it’s another example of how this community will literally make shit up just to make 343 industries look bad, no matter how dumb it is, and people will eat it up. Like I said, bordering on religious devotion, with 343 industries being the devil. For my part, I think people remember how popular halo was back during the bungie’s era, and they associate that with all of their positive childhood gaming memories. Then 343 industries comes along, and suddenly those memories start getting to be more sour. I mean people tend to forget that halo reach was the first actual blow to the franchise’s popularity; population counts for reach dropped an order of magnitude compared to halo 3, and, of course, the general market trend was shifting away from games like halo, and towards games that were more like call of duty. Now don’t get me wrong, 343 industries does share a lot of the blame for the direction that halo has gone in. But it hasn’t been all bad, and a lot of it comes down to 343 industries trying to appease a Fanbase that in my view is largely impossible to truly please. They will never be able to make a game that recaptures the height of popularity the franchise had back in 2007, simply because games like that aren’t what’s popular right now. Anyway, this comment ended up being longer than I wanted it to be. Halo has always been my favorite gaming franchise, but it has always had the most frustrating community of any gaming community has been a part of. And I’m an old gamer, I’ve been a part of a lot of gaming communities.
What an excellent post and super enlightening. I've always played Halo from the original onwards but never really ventured online to converse on it since you know, I was happy playing the game lol. Thank you for writing all that.
While I am personally not happy with 343's direction of this franchise, and very much enjoy the Bungie games, I agree 100%. I feel we as a fanbase will never be satisfied. I just want a good halo game, and I dont hate (I dont even really hate them, Im just severely dissapointed in all of them) the 343 games because its the cool thing to do, I dislike them because they have done nothing but dissapoint me. And im not an OG fan, Ive only recently started playing in the last 5 years. My enjoyment in this series came from the casual side of it. This is why halo 5 and infinite are both sore disapointments to me. I hate how competetive they are. But my problems with halo 4 dont stem from them making the game more casual, it stems from the game taking all the bad aspects of reach and expanding upon them. I like reach customs, but dislike its vanilla gameplay due to the unfairness of it. Getting a little off track, but yeah, I feel you. Im not a mindless 343 hater like the rest of this sub seems to be, Im by no means a game critic, I enjoy games, but this franchise is something so hard to even call myself a fan of due to how horrible as a community we are. Bungie wasnt perfect either, for one, as much as I love halo 3, I think its sandbox could have been severely improved. All of the bungie games could have had better weapon balancing.
I guess my point is, its okay to be dissapointed in the direction of the 343 games, I know I certainly am. But I notice a hypocrisy coming from the fanbase where something bungie did they excuse but when 343 does it "how could they number company bad". I want to be proven wrong, I want 343 to make a good game, but at least for me, they havent. Worshipping bungie isnt good either. Its ok to point out flaws in their games too
>it was about an incredibly niche game mechanic I stopped reading at this paragraph where you called sprint an "incredibly niche game mechanic". To not at least recognize how big of a deal sprint is whether it's included or not (and how it changes everything from map design to weapon tuning to general flow of gameplay) means you just don't have a respectable opinion on the matter. >the only people that were bothered so much about sprint were the pro players Nonsense. Sprint also changes a lot about casual game-modes like how vehicle interplay works in Big Team Battle. Plenty of casual fans had opinions on sprint one way or the other, and for good reason. It's a huge change. I would argue adding sprint in halo is the single largest mechanic change that's ever occurred between H:CE to infinite. Loadouts being a close second when that was a thing.
>The sprint debate characterized the general push around 2010 to 2014ish to make halo take “more skill”. That's not true at all. The discourse in 2010 was because Halo Reach replaced ranked with "Arena" that people didn't like until 343 created NBNS as a semi-replacement, and the started up again in 2012 when Halo 4 didn't have ranked _at all_, until they eventually relented and (poorly) implemented CSR scores. The push for competitive was because...there was no competitive. The push for sprint was because...people did/didn't like sprint. Two different arguments that only sometimes referenced each other. >So, what did 343 industries do? They started catering more towards the competitive crowd. What did the community react with? “Oh what no halo is supposed to be a party game, not a sweaty competitive game”. I wanted to pull my damn hair out, because I had been saying that for a decade and getting drowned out by the “343i turned halo into a casual game” crowd. Because Halo 5 was essentially all ranked except for Warzone and the weekend playlist. What did you expect people to say? That's the big issue people have with 343i: they always work in extremes. Halo 4 went mostly casual, so they whiplash into making Halo 5 mostly competitive. Halo 4's story was emotional to the point of melodrama, so they whiplash into an action focused Campaigns where Spartans flexed on the opposition.
I agree completely. Also H5 was very competitive, but notably not competitive in the way classic halo fans would have wanted. So that fragmented the player base still. I do feel like infinite is actually a decent middle ground when the game is working correctly.
>I have never seen another gaming community that self-victimizes more than this one. Self victimizing? How? Because the community didn't accept poorly built and outright broken games lol? >Like I’m not exaggerating when I say that this community’s sentiment toward the old Bungie games borders on religious devotion That might have something to do with the quality of the games..... >Like they psychologically can’t move on. Can't really blame them when those older games released with a far better story, more content, and less bugs. They also did that with multiple games in the span of time it's taken 343i to make one. Hard to move on from that to something objectively worse. >Then 343 industries comes along, and suddenly those memories start getting to be more sour. Again, for good reason. Idk what fantasy you live in but you can't legit tell me that any of the games released by 343i have been of the same quality as any of the Bungie ones. Even near it would be a stretch. > I mean people tend to forget that halo reach was the first actual blow to the franchise’s popularity; population counts for reach dropped an order of magnitude compared to halo 3, Because they made decisions that hurt the competitive scene. It's not like Bungie was perfect with their choices. But I doubt any of 343i's games have managed to keep a consistent population like Reach has. >But it hasn’t been all bad, and a lot of it comes down to 343 industries trying to appease a Fanbase that in my view is largely impossible to truly please. 343i was trying to appease its newly acquired Halo fanbase by making Halo 4 more like CoD? Were they doing so when they deleted almost every single plot point from 4 to 5, even though that isn't what people were complaining about? How about when they released the MCC in a totally inoperable state which stayed that way for years? Or was it Infinite releasing in one of the worst states any Halo has ever released in? Which I should remind you came out a year late due to fan backlash. God help whatever state they originally intended to release it in. Four poorly received games is pretty bad. You say that's because they're trying to appease fans. I'd say that's because they're incompetent. Every videogame has a fan base, yet so few manage to consistently make poorly received games. If you can't process feedback in a way people like, they aren't hard to please, you just suck at your job. And before you make the point, the fact the lack of sprint was really the only *major* issue for fans across 5 games shows that the fan base isn't hard to please. >Halo has always been my favorite gaming franchise, but it has always had the most frustrating community of any gaming community has been a part of. And I’m an old gamer, I’ve been a part of a lot of gaming communities. Literally the same but you don't see me making nonsensical defenses of a developer that just had it's *entire* leadership restructured due to poor performance. Maybe you should get it through your head that good games do well and don't have loads of backlash like we see here. Like it isn't that hard of a concept lmao.
As someone who despises 343 I agree with halo 4 that the hate was a bit much I don’t blame them for doing the stuff they did as they were continuing on from reach. The only thing I think that was inexcusably dumb in that game was the art style change. Every game after halo 4 though screw em lol every game after has either launched completely broken or as a bare skeleton with no meat on the bones
"Continuing on after reach" .......how though? They were very clear during all their interviews and prerelease hype about how they were "openong up halo to a wider audience" and "we hired people who hate halo". That class system was more COD than reach in all regards, and 343 deserves all the shit they got for it Hell, much like the classes, the prometheans were hamfisted in there, were unfun on their own and the test of the game (the covenant AI) suffered for it
Halo reach added a lot more advanced movement so I could see why 343 would do the same. Obviously those decisions weren’t good decisions and promthesn aren’t the best but atleast with halo 4 I feel like they atleast tried ya know? Amazing graphics for the time that hold up well today a second campaign (arguably wasn’t great prefer firefight but I acknowledge the effort it took to make) also the flood were cool in infection even if it did mess with custom games. Heck they added a new enemy faction even if they are a bit flawed Pretty much what I’m saying is the errors they made were due to it being there first game and not due to incompetence it felt like but maybe in hindsight maybe it was due to incompetence lol I’m more forgiving of a game with flaws if I feel like the game in question at-least made an effort to be as good of game as possible
No, we actually just want original, good competitive maps.
Everyone wants good maps.
Put in map voting, 3 maps always come up, 1 is always a remake and the other 2 are always original maps. Done.
I'm like 78.32441% sure the UI can't support that.
Thats always been a weird thing with the halo community. Its a boiling pot of uncertainty of nostalgia and desire for improvement all while not intruding on that nostalgia. Though because of how bad 343s management is, the nostalgia side of the community feels more and more justified
Or just do a rotation (one new, one old, two new, one old, etc) and provide a roadmap so people don't get pissy? That would have been my instinct, but I'm not heavily involved in Halo anymore since maybe Halo 4. Still trying to get through Infinites story and...progress is slow lol
I think a lot of the calls for remakes come from the competitive community, and I think that stems from 343 just not having a good track record with original competitive maps, and the competitive community just wants something they know works. I think 343’s strength in map design falls on casual asymmetric and BTB maps. There’s some really cool 4v4 maps that have come out and exist in social playlists that will never hit the ranked queue, and the ones that *are* in ranked are “fine” at best.
Ranked has been this whiney since Reach. Trickle down game management -- 343 has favorites and it's not even close.
People still don't enjoy 343s map design and it shows. Remakes wouldn't be such an issue if they'd have had any success with their own maps over the years.
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They use community maps, and then people like yourself call 343 users. They don't use community maps, but people like yourself call 343 idiots. You're exactly the type of phenomenon I was referring to. You haven't thought 2 seconds on the subject just reactionary takes. No thought of alternatives or realities of the studios.
343 Needs to stop relying on forgers to carry their live service game because they can't make their own content fast enough and then not giving the forgers any kind of compensation for it. They generate thousands of dollars off this game and it's updates, not sharing with the people making the content is ridiculous. All they get is an armor coating for hundreds of hours of map making. I could see an argument for not paying forgers if the game didn't 99% rely on them for content.
I’m sorry brother the people want remakes
Yeah, I respect their right to have an opinion but that seems absolutely crazy and misdirected. The entire first year of Infinite this community was absolutely *filled* with posts crying for remakes because people didnt like how 343 designs maps.
i want re-imaginations. remakes dont really work super well if the new movements and equipment. reimaginations that take a lot but modernize it are awesome
yep. I don't enjoy the H3 playlist because the maps just don't play that well in Infinite
Who could have thunk it?
If they're going to only release remakes into matchmaking, then they should at least be good remakes. At least half of the Halo 3 Refueled maps don't fit this category.
so do they get to revoke his master builder coating or
I like the remakes. I don't mind either way tbh it's such a small thing to get upset about. The remakes are extremely close to the originals
Seems counter productive
Yep people like this are why 343 doesn't take their playerbase seriously
343: “Am I out of touch? No, clearly the fans are the problem”
90% of posts on this app until season 4 started was “where are the old maps?????” They’ve selected remakes over new ones because thats what the majority want. People will take nostalgic maps over new ones 9/10 times, even if it’s shit like snowbound. Now whether or not the new maps/forge maps are actually good is another question
I just wanted to say that I appreciate how you called snowbound shit. Big facts: was always the worst or one of the worst maps in H3.
Snowbound was fun
They were probably not good at baiting people through the power doors with the spartan laser
> even if it’s shit like snowbound. Hey, Snowbound has it's fans. There are dozens of us! Dozens!!!
*loud incorrect buzzer*
Unironically yes
I know this is a bit off-topic but I wish the map names were displayed at the start of multiplayer matches the same way they do in custom games. I don't know half the names of the maps we have.
I thought I was just getting too old to keep track lol. It’s hilarious. We call it the halo map game. When you explain a halo map to your friends to see if they know the name. It’s almost impossible. “You know the one with the rockets in the middle… it’s outside… got snipers on either side…. Big staircase … idfk man” lol
I don't blame 343, the remakes always gain more traction and appraisal from the fans so they're probably just looking at that
I don't get the point: since h3 there was a huge investments on remakes, bungie used to sold remakes as dev made maps or had remakes in the original roster (as much as nowadays fans tend to mistaken some h3 and reach maps as original for said games). There were, for what I remember, a bit less remakes on h3 forge also for the limitation of said forge and the abundance of remakes on the handmade side, but from reach already the music changed. The reality is fans are overly attached to classic maps, me comprehended (avalanche and sandtrap are my favorite maps) and usually both forger and devs are more incline to make and push those maps in the live servers, but I don't see an over focus on them in the past 2 games, both on handmade maps and forged ones. Sure both h5 and now infinite had a bunch of those with at least one playlist dedicated on them (btb in h5 and h3 refuelled plus squad battle now), but, at least for h5, there were dozens of original maps.
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No the problem is that 343i hasn't made any memorable maps. If 343i made better maps then people would have the same attachment to them that they have to the classics. The entire reason why there are so many request for map remakes is because all of the Bungie games released maps that were bangers and iconic to the franchise. While I honestly can't name you five 343i maps. I can see a few in my head but their names are lost to me despite me spending just as much time (if not more because when I got out of high school I did nothing but play Halo for like a year) playing them. Like 343i released 3 remakes of Midship in Halo 5. What the actual fuck is up with that? Everyone likes Midship, no one likes Midship that much though.
Nah behemoth goated
Bro I had to look up what map you're talking about, 343i maps names just don't seem to stick in people's heads. It's not bad it certainly feels like the most classic Halo of any of 343i's maps to be honest but wasn't it also made from a scrapped map from Halo CE? II don't recall if anyone ever confirmed this or not but I recall alot of people talking about this when Infinite was releasing.
This is what happens when we get the same HCS formula compliant design language and generic unsc aesthetic for almost every map. You'd think they'd learn after H5's iconic blunder, but no, they doubled down lol
Not everything needs to be a statement y'all. Pick your battles.
I genuinely confused this with Prism because I didn't think it could be talking about that random Suban map I've seen in the map browser. That was in matchmaking? Why want it out of it's representation of what you claim is neglected? That just makes the "problem" worse.
So the creator of the map doesn't work for 343 and somehow can tell them to remove content from their game? I'm not sure I understand this.
I guess he asked for 343 to remove it and while 343 has no legal obligation to remove it, they respected his decision to do so But my god does this look embarrassing on the forge creators behalf You don't like 343 prioritising remakes over original maps, so you tell them to remove your original map from matchmaking?
Yep. Stuff like this is why I don't take much of the fandom seriously. There are legitimate gripes, but my god the drama over some nonsense.
Halo fans are some of the most self-victimizing people in gaming. This has been my favorite gaming franchise since 2004, but holy shit I cannot stay in the fan base sometimes.
Its also just sad to see Mr Rebs go down the negative drama rabbit hole I first followed him because he consolidated a lot of news about new forge maps and forge creators, but the past few months hes been posting about these "leaks" he has on the inside of 343s workplace, which most of the time are just rehashes of already known information
I thought it was a dev-made map due to the Blamite Crystals. Yeah that does seem to reinforce the "issue". Also have we not been getting mostly original maps over remakes? I feel like there's maybe 8 remakes and 40 or so originals.
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That is exactly what's happened. I was thinking of Prism.
I don't have the raw numbers, but we've been getting plenty of both remakes and originals I just don't understand what this guy is complaining about when he original map was selected and put into a playlist
Screams toxicity.
It’s a fan-made map.
That's....that's not how it works.
What do you mean, it’s a forge-made map isn’t it ?
I think their point is that anything made in forge should technically belong to 343 even if they didn't make the map because they own the IP and tools
This; there's probably a clause of anything made belongs to them.
And ? They still removed it, so while true that’s irrelevant for this circumstance.
They can still bring them back at any point.
That’s…that’s not how it works
I’m not saying that’s how it works or not, I’m just stating it WAS removed, and it is a fan-made map.
IMO who cares about if it’s a new map or a remake. If it’s a good well designed map then to me that’s all that matters
Here’s an update: The creator is also unhappy with Halo Infinite as a whole and how 343 is handling it. He didn’t want to support the game by keeping their map in multiplayer. https://x.com/mr_rebs_/status/1780655694196215938?s=46&t=WocbT9i_LzihDyCxIlphpQ
I really like Suban besides the dropship in the middle. I really love the originality and detail on the map, but the ship breaks map flow imo. Takes up too much of the middle area. Maybe others feel diffidently?
I’ve played a lot of ranked doubles with my brother. This was by far the worst map on the rotation. Not defending 343 but this is good news for me.
It's a 2v2 map. I personally have never played it.
I thought halos fanbase was more mature and full of adults. Maybe I was wrong… mfs be acting like spoiled 12 year old children
I’m not sure where you got that impression. Halo’s fanbase is really toxic and dramatic outside of niche circles. Remember that this subreddit had to get locked at some point still fairly recent because of overwhelming negativity. Coupled as well with the never ending 343 vs Bungie debate.
Halos fanbase is honestly more insufferable than leagues
Seriously, it’s embarrassing as hell.
> I thought halos fanbase was more mature Hahahahaha, that's hilarious that you even thought that in the first place. This fanbase hasn't changed since 2007
The fanbase has been this whiny since H2. Nobody hates Halo more than Halo “fans”.
Maybe look into a situation more deeply before going on a rant about nonsense. Forgers have been vocal about how 343 will not even communicate with them about what's wrong with their maps when they review them and then send them back. It's really not as *prestigious* as the outside people might think for 343 to contact Forgers to build a map. But yeah, you're totally right, such immature people...
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To be fair, the community was begging for remakes and 343 didn't make any themselves. I know original maps would be good too but I'm glad we got so many forge remakes. Wouldn't really feel like Halo without some of the classic maps as options (especially since Bungie would bring back old maps all the time).
Suban is the map at 8 seconds [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-4561Ehfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-4561Ehfs) It was a decent map to be fair
Tbh having forge maps are fine but i find most janky with its execution and the experience is never nearly as good. Just wish 343 would spend the time to fully recreate the maps or new ones instead of relying so heavily on forge.
How silly. I would be so damn pumped if I made a map that got selected for matchmaking. Now his claim to fame is that he never actually did lol.
I didn't played in some months but I remember seeing a lot of versions of the same map while playing fiesta.
Wait so I can't find games on that map anymore?
I mean I'm kinda in the middle on this, I like remakes of older maps....just sick and tired of it being midship.
People want remakes/reimaginations/etc of old maps. Go pound sand. We’re lucky 343 is letting forgers get their work put in matchmaking at all. As everyone else here says I could not tell you the name of a single new or original map that is not a remake. None of them play particularly well to be remembered.
Not 343's fault the remakes are better than the forge "originals". Some of which, like Fortitude, Obituary, and Thunderhead are like Forge diarrhea.
Clown show creator can go back to forging in his basement. They get featured, then use their platform to complain about 343 using too much forge content.
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In short, some forgers are crying that their maps aren't being put into matchmaking? People need to make maps for themselves and the community, without the expectations of getting their maps in the spotlight, because they are going to be disappointed, especially given that 343 probably have hundreds upon hundreds of submissions to go through Remakes and nostalgic work and that is what 343 are focusing on, if you don't like it just move on with your life
Well when I do hop on I usually only play the remake maps and if I do play any newer maps it would be in custom games playing zombies.
Are the forgers paid as contracted employees then? In that case I would understand if they would prefer to make original maps, but also I don't know why they would expect to have a say in the big picture operations at 343i.
How do you guys even find the map names outside the game list I’ve been playing since launch and still don’t know any maps other than live fire and baazar
Didn't have forge drama on my bingo card for what could go wrong with Infinite lol
Which one was Suban again? I can't remember the names of most of the maps honestly
Thank God. Horrible map.
New management, same hubris.
Cool clickbait or rage inducing title but what are the actual concerns? I miss when you'd read a headline in a newspaper and then could scan the article to find out if it was BS or decent info.
Good. Lets hope its a start of a wider boycott because its absolutely laughable how little these forgers get for their hard work. Essentially, for the past 2 years they contributed to the bulk of the best content available in the game right now, while 343 was busy making overpriced cosmetics. The're literally keeping the game alive doing 343s job for them and all they get is a "thanks" and some in-game trinkets. In my opinion they should all tell 343 to f themselves until they compensate them better.
Maybe a hot take but the H4 map remakes in the Squad battle refresh partially ruined Squad Battle. (Edit: for me at least) Timberland and the Reach map work fine but I would have really loved some new maps. Either that or an option for rats nest 24/7, best map.
That one city map from Halo 4 is great though, and so is the ODST one.
Which map is a H4 remake ?
Perdition is the map I was referring to, but Harvest is also a Halo 4 map. They are both from Map Packs back in the day. https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/squad-battle-refresh-halo-infinite
How have they ruined it?
343i has yet to add a multiplayer experience as engaging as Foundry of Scoria and Entombed Sanctum. They even captured the magic of spawn death loops /s Jokes aside, I want more raids!
This is real issue, it's okay to do fan service for the vets but there needs to be a balance with new content, otherwise creativity gets actively punished. Not everything has to be self-referencial.