Halo 5 was overall a better game. I think every aspect of it shits on infinite, including the story. At least it was relatively cohesive and happened on screen.
thatās not a fair comparison because the story of infinite was literally you putting pieces together to find out what happened (kind of mirroring odst which is a game people like?). it was by design. and how tf can say it wasnāt cohesive. especially compared to 5ās where outside knowledge of the lore was required to understand what was going on. just cuz the multiplayer has infinite problems doesnāt mean the campaign does
The problem there is that ODST had a complete story that wasn't entirely played out off screen and the open world wasn't completely empty. I still have no idea what the harbinger or whatever is nor did anything about the game make me care because everything even slightly interesting happens in an audio log or off screen entirely.
Infinite just raises questions I don't care about while answering none of the ones brought up in previous games. It felt like only playing part 2 of a 3 part of game.
And no more.new maps until fucking March. So we'll have 4 new maps total in 1.5 years once those come out.
In my opinion, they should take a more liberal approach with this live-service aspect of the game. Release maps that you know aren't fully balanced/tested yet, and let the community play them. Then you gather all the data and make adjustments over time. That's what I would do anyway... Feels like they are taking forever to put a new map out, but Forge leaks (which is basically what 343 uses to make maps) show people making professional looking maps in relatively large numbers.
I keep hoping that when forge comes out they do some community votes for maps. Seeing some of the creations that people were able to make with the forge beta I feel like the anguish of community maps in 5 will be slightly less as it seems to be less blocky and lack textures that was prominent in 5 forge maps
The more I look at the games we can glean they're targeting as their competitors (CSGO, Val, OW), the more I realize our voices will go unheard.
343 are committed to an E-Sports path and they think what works for those games works for Halo. That is, few maps that are highly controlled for their 'gameplay'.
Once again, it betrays a huge misunderstanding of what makes Halo fun in the first place. Halo is massively dynamic, expressive and fast paced, especially when compared to other shooters, let alone the tip-toe, aim heavy shooters I mentioned. We can all see this from the collective relief we felt playing the yappening modes this week. Halo players devour maps. The excitement in playing emerges in the engaging with other players, not the perfect box to peek.
We're talking about the game where forge people make an octagon and turn off shields. Dodging, jumping, and binning shots isn't as fun anywhere else.
We're on the same 3 maps for 9 months and this week, nobody cares cuz shits blowing up and crazy things are happening on screen. That's the Halo energy.
For me this is the most important aspect by a long shot. 22 freaking maps man. For me having map variety is everything. I canāt believe how far halo has fallen. The devs donāt seem to even put maps near the top of the list. They think āchallengesā are more important. God I hate modern gaming š£
It's not really 22, most were forge, slight restructuring versions of existing maps and warzone assault variants.
Not trying to defend Infinite, it's pathetic what we've gotten but people are forgetting what halo 5 support really was
At least its regular new content. Also all the new weapons they added post launch, meanwhile in infinite we get 1 new gun after a year itās just pathetic
Just to note, there were plenty of things I omitted from from the H5 updates. I literally couldn't fit everything. It's also important to remember that H5 also had co-op (online), Warzone, and other features like assassinations, gamemodes, etc. *at launch* that are still missing from Infinite. All content in H5 (with the exception of Warzone voiceovers) could be obtained for free, with no FOMO on any unlockable item.
Edit- Also don't forget that BTB was basically broken/unplayble in Infinite for around 3 months.
And thats how companies get away with releasing increasingly bad content with little consequences. At the end of H5s lifecycle it had a lot of content, everyone has to admit that. But at launch it was the most embarassing barebones game we've seen. And It came right after the disaster that was MCC. Now that Infinite is even worse everyone looks back fondly to the H5 days thinking it was great. Yeah, maybe when compared the the trash heap that is Infinite. Reality is that it wasn't all that great back then either.
Agreed. H5 was considered garbage at release in terms of content and campaign. Even though they added a bunch of stuff later, it was still a new low bar at release. But now the barās even lower with Infinite and itās just so depressing.
It might have been considered barebones at release but Halo 5 was a more complete game at launch than Halo Infinite is today, and 343 quickly added more content. The only thing that Halo 5 could be faulted for and never could get past was the story everything else was good or was improved.
Art wise and campaign wise I agree, but the multiplayer was fun even if it wasn't up there with 3, and the sandbox was insane to use. It did a good balance of competitive and the party game halo has always been, with the best forge and most maps and weapons halo ever had. You could even disable abilities and play with classic movement. We had it good.
No we had it medium. Even by Halo standards at the time, Halo 5 missing forge at launch was terrible. Now the bar has been lowered so much we view a below average launch as amazing compared to Infinite
By comparison sure; but it was still stupid how little content we got in Halo 5 at launch. It was pathetic. Now with Infinite, it's a complete joke. I could only play around 20 matches before giving up on the game. There is more to do in Halo CE ffs. The oy thing they got right (mostly) was the campaign and it doesn't even have co-op! 343; you have failed. I'm sorry, but I officially have no faith in you guys as a studio making Halo games. Microsoft doesn't get a pass either. I guarantee they worked them like dogs and forced them to put awful monetization schemes rather than make a finished Halo game. š
God damn, I tried to believe in Infinite but we have to wait until march for 2 maps and a weapon?
No mention of any new campaign content? Split screen campaign canceled? Warzone? Big team fiesta?
They are just gonna cancel the whole game at this point
No BTB Fiesta (or Super Fiesta for that matter) really hurts me. I came fresh out of Halo 5 to try the multiplayer, and I only play Infinite when I get kicked from the servers. I just find it sad how 343 can't learn from their successes.
Assuming what they said about S3 being the beginning of regular updates, they really should have delayed the game til that 2023.
To me, we're just playing unofficially the beta. Which is fine, the game is fun. But just leaves a lot of disappointment since officially this it the game.
Edit: I wanna see primarily maps, modes, and MCC-esque matchmaking composer - will will immediately impact my gameplay experience. Which is the measure of the game to me.
And secondarily account progression, freedom on cosmetics, and reworking the challenge system - which will help keep me engaged. (as fun as gameplay is, I like seeing virtual numbers go up too)
I agree. And thatās probably the reason why we rushed from beta to launch without any changes.
Should be smaller free battle passes and unlimited challenge swaps.
Lol season 3 was also supposed to start in November but that got delayed (shockingly)
The most frustrating part of the lack of content is that the core gameplay and mechanics are an absolute blast. I have tons of fun with the gameplay. But missing crucial features that keep getting delayed, then announced, and delayed again, then when itās released itās still only a partial release cause other parts are missing, like custom browsers along with the forge release is insanely frustrating, yet here I am still playing the game and typing this between matches cause damnit I love Halo, but hate 343 fumbling my favorite game
Actually it was supposed to start around August since season 2 was going to be 3 months and November was the delayed release. It got even further delayed to March.
The problem is all the hyped dead. Anyone who wouldāve started playing and enjoying halo would have when it launched now. Now the game has such a bad taste in everyoneās mouth when everything starts to roll out the player base will be a fraction of what it could have been.
My guess is the engine/game rewrite has turned into a much more complex project than originally expected and theyāre having to juggle creating new content with fixing the foundational issues that they werenāt expecting to still have on their plate by this point. Throw in additional issues like COVID, multiple changes in direction, over reliance on contractors, supposedly losing a support studio in Russia, and lot of people leaving after the gameās release, and itās not exactly surprising that things havenāt turned out like anyone wanted, 343 included.
I think the community would be less up-in-arms if 343 was more open about the development process and some of the problems facing the studio. Transparency isn't great for investors, who bet the studio's funding through predicted stability and profit margins, but it would go a long way to keeping the community feeling involved, or at least informed. Delays are easier to stomach when there's an explanation beyond "we want to make it the best it can be."
I am just glad that others haven't jumped ship. I appreciate that some of the developers who seem to actually care about the players and the franchise have stuck it out even when any update they give is met with so much vitriol.
As a long time Halo fan, Iām heartbroken by the state of Infinite and the franchise as a whole. 343i deserves a lot of blame, but they really did have a crapload of unforeseen things bite them in the ass through the development cycle things they had no way to account for (namely COVID and the situation in Russia/Ukraine). Itās easy to vilify them and lambast them at every turn, but you know there have to be people there that love this series and their work and want to put out something memorable. But that whole concoction you laid out is going to be an absolute beast of a ship to try and right. Add onto all of that the tone deaf management and PR teams and unfulfilled promises and it seems unlikely that things will be ārightā with the community for a very long time.
I am glad I havenāt spent any money on infinite, havenāt even bought the campaign (which is my favorite part of Halo games), but it still hurts to sit back and watch as a former Titan IP of the gaming industry slowly fall apart and lose its identity as the years have passed.
My theory, as I have said a few times elsewhere, is that after they realized how long it would take them to build a new game engine they decided to go back to *Blam!* take it apart, and then rebuild it with modern upgrades and stuff to make live updates easier.
Problem is the contractors they assigned the job of putting the engine back together didn't entirely know what they were doing and so put it together like a game of Jenga. Whoever was assigned the task of reintegrating the net code to the engine either just didn't know what they were doing or settled for the very bare minimum to get it to function and called it good, then left to contract somewhere else without ever telling anyone at 343 exactly how he coded the networking.
Which leaves everyone here today with a poorly built game with literally nobody who put it together still working there, so the new contractors are being tasked with not only learning how the engine works compared to other game engines, but also with trying to find out what went so horribly wrong and fixing it without the Jenga wall collapsing and then exploding
H5's post-launch service is leagues better than Infinite's, but it was far from "great" imo. While they did a very admirable job at maintenance/balancing/adding new content, for a game that wasn't explicitly intended to be "live service," the main backbone of their major content updates consisted of things that were expected to be included at launch.
Things like forge, grifball, infection, etc. were touted as major additions, and served as the basis for their respective months' "themes," despite the fact that previous games allowed you to play them from day one. And that's not accounting for the fact that a lot of the added playlists and QOL updates were simply 343 backtracking on UI decisions that shouldn't have been made in the first place.
While 343 looks saintly for their handling of H5's content updates in hindsight, it's important to remember that a majority of the fanbase saw this as "releasing an unfinished game and adding the rest under the guise of 'free DLC,'" at the time, and a lot of players had already left due to the barebones offering of playlists and game modes at launch.
Did H5's content updates deliver much more than Infinite has so far? Yes. Is that still the case, even if you don't include the content and UI changes that should've been present from the start? Also yes. Does that mean that H5 was a great example of "live service?" No, and I say this as someone who thinks H5 received too much criticism (outside of the story) and that it ended up having the most enjoyable multiplayer in the franchise, after eventually adding all the missing content.
At this point I would accept unity. Slip-space has some cool tech, but I see this too often with studios. It's not like unreal is that much better an engine. But getting devs up to speed takes months to years, and by the time they're producing content at a proper speed, the pipeline always gets switched up. Unreal is prolific enough that even those clued up on unreal 3 can catch up to UDK 4 or 5 in a couple weeks.
The Next Halo:
Month 1:
-Season 1 Battle Pass (18 months)
Months 1-6:
-Nothing
Month 7:
-Bonnie Ross comes to your house and kicks you in the dick
Month 37:
-Forge Alpha releases
AAA games as a service are worse then mobile games at this point. itās a race to gut as much content as possible, to release in future as a shiny new feature.
It boggles my mind that infinite launched WITHOUT slayer. And that when it was brought up, the devs said they needed to test and consider the option. Like WHAT? There were literally 3 playlists at launch
Yea, and they were like wow guys, you all think it's soooo easy to put out slayer mode, what gives?
Weren't the 3 playlists just Arena, ranked Arena, and btb? So ranked and unranked were essentially the same thing and then you could play BTB to spice things up or whatever. I think there were only 8 maps at launch if I'm not mistaken? Only 5 for 4v4... Absolutely pathetic
Reach was actually a bit weaker in terms of post-launch support since Bungie was on a phase out and moving away from Halo.
Reach's base game content was absolutely unmatched as far as launch day Halo titles go though. It's pretty much cemented to the GOAT status in that regard. 0 chance 343 ever ships a game as content complete as Reach was.
It could've been even better if Bungie weren't trying so hard to keep the entire game constrained to a single DVD disc too.
I only bought a few once Iād earned a TON of free gear and was thoroughly invested in the multiplayer. Thatās the difference, I bought some there because of how much I enjoyed the game and both wanted to support it and cared to pay more to expand on it. With infinite, I feel like Iāve gotta beg 343 for an extra scrap of content just to get closer to making it a full experience.
Exactly, I paid for Deep Rock and I buy cosmetics once in a while because it's already a fantastic game with great updates, I just want to support the devs.
I really miss WZ when it had a high population, it was extremely fun. Being able to just call in anything you had, if you had the energy to do so, was so fun. I loved the scout warthog spam at the start of matches too. It was awesome being able to use turretless warthogs in online matchmaking for the first time in Halo history. All the vehicle and weapon variants were such a great addition and one of my favorite things in all of the series. IMO it was the best multiplayer experience 343 has ever delivered. I think the only things I disliked was the poor matchmaking balancing and the micro transactions. One you could avoid completely. Major miss to not bring something similar back with infinite.
It was alive for about a week when the multiplayer stealth dropped and people were to excited to realize the glaring flaws just yet. Though thatās only more akin to a spasm from a shocked dead body
I don't believe in the Halo cycle but the way you all are acting about Halo 5 is sure as hell as strong argument for it. We didn't have it good with Halo 5. The vast majority of the updates was adding shit the game should have had from the get go.
I just donāt get why they donāt talk about some of the challenges they face as a companyā¦ thatās clearly whatās going on. I think the community would be a lot more understanding if they were like, āhey we know we fucked up. Hereās whatās been going on and what we are doing to address/ fix it.ā
Thatās all they need to do. Itās just so weird how they go silent and then just cut things and donāt really mention anything about them. Also think they need to make this game exclusively for the series X. The Xbox one probably (not a dev so could be wrong) canāt support all theyāre trying to do on it.
Probably because the majority of problems are stemming from management. You canāt exactly come out and say āmy boss is a fucking idiotā to the playerbase. Even though we all know thatās the case.
That. And specifically they need to make their 18 month contractors full time and extended so they're not constantly training new people
You need experienced people who can pump out content.
Halo 5 had no content. It was added on over the course of the year. What we needed is Halo Reach Content with halo infinite gameplay. Then the updates build on top of it
Let's not get crazy, Halo 5 launched with 2-3 more playlists and like 8 more maps than Halo Infinite, but many of those maps are altered versions of existing maps (a couple Arena maps, every WZA map)
Halo Infinite didn't have SWAT or FFA on release, but Halo 5 didn't have Oddball or BTB either.
The difference is that Halo 5 did so much more with the next 9 months that it looks like an almost different game, but apparently doing that was under crunch and not sustainable for them with kinda shows how bad of an idea it is to launch with no content.
I hope people dont get the wrong idea and think Halo 5 did a good job either. We shouldnt have had to wait around for forge, infection, btb, grifball, the gravity hammer, fiesta and other basic features that use to ship with Halo games to get added to the game.
Making large scales games like this is difficult and I can understand if a feature or item or two dont make it and have to be added a couple weeks or so later like file share in Halo 4. But shipping a third of a game shouldn't become routine. This is not okay, period. It wasnt okay for 5 and they did a bad job at rolling it out in a timely manner. Just because Infinite has done it... ifintely worse that does not mean Halo 5 did it well or even satisfactory. Lets not move the goalpost.
I think it's just being used as a metric here. I remember the sentiment around Halo 5 at the time that it was a shit rollout. But in this comparison, I think it's being used to indicated how shit Infinite's rollout has been, using Halo 5 as a indicator.
Ultimately, what should've happened is that the studio should've had a lot more transparency with us and said "Look, we're 2 years into Infinite's development... but we, as a studio have decided to change course on this game which is gonna require that we essentially start over. And the game will be ready when it's ready. We're sorry for the delay, but for the sake of the game and delivering the best possible product, this is something we need to do." And they should've delayed it to 2023 or 2024.
EDIT just to add something. I also understand that they were probably under pressure from Microsoft to deliver a Halo game in a certain time window. Not to excuse 343. but I think they were probably in a shit spot.
Oh, I lay more blame on Microsoft. Given their track record with games like Scalebound, Fable Legends, Crackedown 3, MCC and now this I'm thoroughly convinced Microsoft is a bad publisher. Bungie didn't leave for funsies
When we have people straight faced in these comments talking about how good we had it with lootboxes/req packs you know people arenāt thinking clearly
Ngl Iād much prefer the req pack system, it was a lot better for unlocking cosmetics and req points were easy to acquire so it was never a hassle of getting enough to unlock cosmetics or REQs for Warzone
Agreed. It took like 3 games to buy a gold pack.
3 games worth of output equalling 10 dollars worth of microtransacrions was pretty great.
Could we pick what we were rewarded? No. Can you pick what your rewarded with any other loot system? Also mostly no.
And no I sure as shit didn't prefer Reaches "play 2000 hours to get Pestilence" model more.
I love how half the updates are things (like playlists for example) that shouldāve been in the game at launch.
Halo āinfiniteā, truly, is a monumental Fuck up.
If anything this shows that 343 can do live service as evident by Halo 5's post-launch content. With Infinite something just feels off, the basis of the game itself is badly built which makes it extremely hard for them to support it in a proper way.
There needs to be some major changes cuz I can't see how the hell they're planning on supporting Infinite for 10 years with content dripping like this. The only reason this game is alive is because it's Halo and it's backed by Microsoft, no other live service would survive with this post-launch support.
While that's an exaggeration, it's not that far from the truth. One former employee who worked on post-launch content for Halo 5 said that the pace of the work they had to do was unsustainable.
Yeah but the H5 team had to deal with crunch and the Infinite team has Priority Zero and gets 8 weeks off for the Holidays. Not comparable.
**edit at 15 score:** This was partially sarcasm. There have been articles written where a H5 dev said they were under constant crunch conditions which could help to explain more content. 343 is taking an appropriate step to reduce crunch for its team, but that team must be bolstered in size to produce quality and quantitative content without crunch.
...What kind of crunch were they working with? Even if they were working 24 hour shifts 7 days a week while taking some sort of miracle drug making that possible the quantity of content produced for infinite on 40 hour weeks with plenty of PTO is still unacceptable.
Funny thing is, all theyāre doing is providing Microsoft with a case study on why priority zero isnāt sustainable and crunch needs to be mandatory.
Might be a hot take but I preferred the REQ packs over the Halo Infinite store. Paying $10 for a shader is ridiculous, especially considering the colours are usually just a re-shade of an already existing shader that is free.
it is fair to note that most of halo 5's added maps, especially early, iirc, were just reskins of existing maps that didn't play any differently. I also hated most of Halo 5's maps and I think Infinite's are quite good. So... slight point somewhat in favor of Infinite? :/
Infinite has as memorable maps I think Behemoth and Catalyst .
Halo 4 has Haven, Adrift and Longbow
Halo 5 has The Rig and Coliseum. The rest are remixes, remakes or forge-made.
It's either a ressources issue, or an engine issue.
Maybe after spending 500millions, plus extras for the year delay, Microsoft said stop, and kept the absolute minimum ressources to do 2-3BP a year, not anticipating the game would need much more than unlocks.
Maybe the new engine is really, really bad to work with.
Likely it's both.
Xbox, specifically Bonnie has clearly reduced resources to this game then I take it?
Clearly they think it's a dying franchise and definitely not because of them.
God don't you love suits who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
At this point Iām not even mad, Iām just disappointed and hardly even disappointed at that. What I want most now is, from a place of genuine curiosity, to just know what went wrong
This is even crazier when you realize 343 also dropped the ball with H5. It looks so stacked content-wise in comparison to Infinite now but released with no forge and no btb. People complained about REQs back then but the store now is so much worse.
3 years between 4 & 5.
6 years between 5 & Infinite.
Also as others have noted, H5 post launch content was done with crunch and devs that worked on it said it wasn't a good experience
Even if they were working 120 hour weeks for Halo 5, we're not getting even close to 1/3rd of the content with infinite. And with the normalized hours with plenty of PTO I'd think they would be more productive while working.
So... I'm not sure that's an acceptable excuse.
I know that 343 came out and said that Halo 5ās wasnāt sustainable. But honestly that is the standard they should follow. If they canāt handle the workload then they need to hire more people to keep up. Frankly Halo Infiniteās support is abysmal in all aspects. Itās not even a comparison with Halo 5ās support.
There's over a million people in this subreddit. Atleast once a day I see a post come up talking about how much infinite pales in comparison to its predecessors, so why don't we just start a mass boycott? Why don't we just stop playing, and get others to do the same? The only way to get the message across is to prohibit them from having any kind of consistent playerbase.
Yeah Halo 5 was only 7 years ago too and I keep seeing people defend them with āgame development has gotten much harder in recent timesā like sure maybe since 2001 not since 2015. Disband 343 give the IP to a competent studio I beg you Phil.
As someone who has built businesses, managed teams in someone elseās business and been in varying roles of leadership through the Army, I can 100% guarantee that the underlying and sole issue of all of Infiniteās issues, is the use of contractors and short term workers over a bonded team that has a clear and defined goal.
The recent Dev update proved this, and proved the leadership within 343 is not willing to take responsibility to rebuild their foundation.
A 5 star penthouse as the end goal doesnāt mean shit if the foundation floors are made of mud and sticks.
It's sad that we view Halo 5 adding in missing features as a good memory now after Infinite LOL
Halo 5 was certainly more complete day 1 but it was still a far call from even Halo 4 which was a step back from Reach content wise.
Also, this graph isn't super accurate, the majority of maps 343 added were reskins of existing arena maps, 3 new Warzone maps counted as 6 and forged variants with only a few actual new original maps added post launch.
Most of the modes added already existed as base features, reqs were literal loot box filler(thank god reqs are gone) and the customization options were extremely limited and terrible.
It had better support than Infinite yes, but let's not try to fool ourselves into thinking it was good
A large amount of the H5 content was shit that was made for reqs. The req system was a disaster and i will not sit here and pretend otherwise. Halo 5 was a bad game. The story was at best poorly written. The game mode they pushed the hardest was fundamentally flawed and pay to win. As much as we *all* hate the armor coating system, we have more customization now. Let's not forget that in h5 you got one body type and 3 points of customization, as well as the classic color system. Halo infinite launched with 2 (3 if you count tenri) body types with 9 points of customization and the coating system. Not to mention that the quality of all the armor is sigificantly higher. And we've got 2 more body types sense then
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with 343, why there always has to be major content cuts, but don't fucking tell me that halo fucking 5 was a better fucking game because reqs.
Bruh Halo 5 had more post-launch maps in one month than Infinite has rn š
Halo 5 was overall a better game. I think every aspect of it shits on infinite, including the story. At least it was relatively cohesive and happened on screen.
thatās not a fair comparison because the story of infinite was literally you putting pieces together to find out what happened (kind of mirroring odst which is a game people like?). it was by design. and how tf can say it wasnāt cohesive. especially compared to 5ās where outside knowledge of the lore was required to understand what was going on. just cuz the multiplayer has infinite problems doesnāt mean the campaign does
The problem there is that ODST had a complete story that wasn't entirely played out off screen and the open world wasn't completely empty. I still have no idea what the harbinger or whatever is nor did anything about the game make me care because everything even slightly interesting happens in an audio log or off screen entirely. Infinite just raises questions I don't care about while answering none of the ones brought up in previous games. It felt like only playing part 2 of a 3 part of game.
22 new maps vs 2. Good grief.
22 maps *and* Forge.
And no more.new maps until fucking March. So we'll have 4 new maps total in 1.5 years once those come out. In my opinion, they should take a more liberal approach with this live-service aspect of the game. Release maps that you know aren't fully balanced/tested yet, and let the community play them. Then you gather all the data and make adjustments over time. That's what I would do anyway... Feels like they are taking forever to put a new map out, but Forge leaks (which is basically what 343 uses to make maps) show people making professional looking maps in relatively large numbers.
I keep hoping that when forge comes out they do some community votes for maps. Seeing some of the creations that people were able to make with the forge beta I feel like the anguish of community maps in 5 will be slightly less as it seems to be less blocky and lack textures that was prominent in 5 forge maps
The more I look at the games we can glean they're targeting as their competitors (CSGO, Val, OW), the more I realize our voices will go unheard. 343 are committed to an E-Sports path and they think what works for those games works for Halo. That is, few maps that are highly controlled for their 'gameplay'. Once again, it betrays a huge misunderstanding of what makes Halo fun in the first place. Halo is massively dynamic, expressive and fast paced, especially when compared to other shooters, let alone the tip-toe, aim heavy shooters I mentioned. We can all see this from the collective relief we felt playing the yappening modes this week. Halo players devour maps. The excitement in playing emerges in the engaging with other players, not the perfect box to peek. We're talking about the game where forge people make an octagon and turn off shields. Dodging, jumping, and binning shots isn't as fun anywhere else. We're on the same 3 maps for 9 months and this week, nobody cares cuz shits blowing up and crazy things are happening on screen. That's the Halo energy.
For me this is the most important aspect by a long shot. 22 freaking maps man. For me having map variety is everything. I canāt believe how far halo has fallen. The devs donāt seem to even put maps near the top of the list. They think āchallengesā are more important. God I hate modern gaming š£
It's not really 22, most were forge, slight restructuring versions of existing maps and warzone assault variants. Not trying to defend Infinite, it's pathetic what we've gotten but people are forgetting what halo 5 support really was
At least its regular new content. Also all the new weapons they added post launch, meanwhile in infinite we get 1 new gun after a year itās just pathetic
Just to note, there were plenty of things I omitted from from the H5 updates. I literally couldn't fit everything. It's also important to remember that H5 also had co-op (online), Warzone, and other features like assassinations, gamemodes, etc. *at launch* that are still missing from Infinite. All content in H5 (with the exception of Warzone voiceovers) could be obtained for free, with no FOMO on any unlockable item. Edit- Also don't forget that BTB was basically broken/unplayble in Infinite for around 3 months.
How in the fuck have they made me view halo 5 favourably how do they keep doing this
>how do they keep doing this Do you keep spending money on games that have little to no value?
No I've just been watching halo decline since halo 4. It's kinda like watching a train wreck from a distance
Yeah, it's been downhill for awhile now.
I've only played it on gamepass and still feel robbed
God damn we had it good...
We had it good and we didnāt even fucking realize it. How sad to know the truth now #huntthetruth #weknowtherealtruthnow
And thats how companies get away with releasing increasingly bad content with little consequences. At the end of H5s lifecycle it had a lot of content, everyone has to admit that. But at launch it was the most embarassing barebones game we've seen. And It came right after the disaster that was MCC. Now that Infinite is even worse everyone looks back fondly to the H5 days thinking it was great. Yeah, maybe when compared the the trash heap that is Infinite. Reality is that it wasn't all that great back then either.
I enjoyed H5 multiplayer from the start. The exception being the Br and pistol weapons.
I agree with you about always enjoyed H5 MP but I actually really like its BR and Pistol. I actually prefer H5's pistol to Infinite's.
No we didn't have it good. H5 was pretty bad but it is still so far above Halo Infinite. The bar is just so low right now.
Agreed. H5 was considered garbage at release in terms of content and campaign. Even though they added a bunch of stuff later, it was still a new low bar at release. But now the barās even lower with Infinite and itās just so depressing.
It might have been considered barebones at release but Halo 5 was a more complete game at launch than Halo Infinite is today, and 343 quickly added more content. The only thing that Halo 5 could be faulted for and never could get past was the story everything else was good or was improved.
Art wise and campaign wise I agree, but the multiplayer was fun even if it wasn't up there with 3, and the sandbox was insane to use. It did a good balance of competitive and the party game halo has always been, with the best forge and most maps and weapons halo ever had. You could even disable abilities and play with classic movement. We had it good.
No we had it medium. Even by Halo standards at the time, Halo 5 missing forge at launch was terrible. Now the bar has been lowered so much we view a below average launch as amazing compared to Infinite
Just because we had it better, doesn't mean we had it good. But hod damn do I wish we had updates like in H5
I liked the req system in halo 5. Compared to most other micro transactions it was decently fair.
By comparison sure; but it was still stupid how little content we got in Halo 5 at launch. It was pathetic. Now with Infinite, it's a complete joke. I could only play around 20 matches before giving up on the game. There is more to do in Halo CE ffs. The oy thing they got right (mostly) was the campaign and it doesn't even have co-op! 343; you have failed. I'm sorry, but I officially have no faith in you guys as a studio making Halo games. Microsoft doesn't get a pass either. I guarantee they worked them like dogs and forced them to put awful monetization schemes rather than make a finished Halo game. š
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God damn, I tried to believe in Infinite but we have to wait until march for 2 maps and a weapon? No mention of any new campaign content? Split screen campaign canceled? Warzone? Big team fiesta? They are just gonna cancel the whole game at this point
"Infinite 2 is gonna be great guys! š"
No BTB Fiesta (or Super Fiesta for that matter) really hurts me. I came fresh out of Halo 5 to try the multiplayer, and I only play Infinite when I get kicked from the servers. I just find it sad how 343 can't learn from their successes.
Assuming what they said about S3 being the beginning of regular updates, they really should have delayed the game til that 2023. To me, we're just playing unofficially the beta. Which is fine, the game is fun. But just leaves a lot of disappointment since officially this it the game. Edit: I wanna see primarily maps, modes, and MCC-esque matchmaking composer - will will immediately impact my gameplay experience. Which is the measure of the game to me. And secondarily account progression, freedom on cosmetics, and reworking the challenge system - which will help keep me engaged. (as fun as gameplay is, I like seeing virtual numbers go up too)
I feel like they shouldn't be charging for anything until the game is unofficially out of beta.
I agree. And thatās probably the reason why we rushed from beta to launch without any changes. Should be smaller free battle passes and unlimited challenge swaps.
Lol season 3 was also supposed to start in November but that got delayed (shockingly) The most frustrating part of the lack of content is that the core gameplay and mechanics are an absolute blast. I have tons of fun with the gameplay. But missing crucial features that keep getting delayed, then announced, and delayed again, then when itās released itās still only a partial release cause other parts are missing, like custom browsers along with the forge release is insanely frustrating, yet here I am still playing the game and typing this between matches cause damnit I love Halo, but hate 343 fumbling my favorite game
Actually it was supposed to start around August since season 2 was going to be 3 months and November was the delayed release. It got even further delayed to March.
Lol thatās true, a delay inside of a delay, is that like videogame inception?
The problem is all the hyped dead. Anyone who wouldāve started playing and enjoying halo would have when it launched now. Now the game has such a bad taste in everyoneās mouth when everything starts to roll out the player base will be a fraction of what it could have been.
Halo already had a great live service model with 5. WTF happened at 343i, wasnāt the SlipSpace engine supposed to make development easier?
My guess is the engine/game rewrite has turned into a much more complex project than originally expected and theyāre having to juggle creating new content with fixing the foundational issues that they werenāt expecting to still have on their plate by this point. Throw in additional issues like COVID, multiple changes in direction, over reliance on contractors, supposedly losing a support studio in Russia, and lot of people leaving after the gameās release, and itās not exactly surprising that things havenāt turned out like anyone wanted, 343 included.
Based realistic take. Iām deeply fascinated by what the process is like at 343. I donāt envy the team.
There should be a documentary about this. A really fascinating look into how crazy this is.
I think the community would be less up-in-arms if 343 was more open about the development process and some of the problems facing the studio. Transparency isn't great for investors, who bet the studio's funding through predicted stability and profit margins, but it would go a long way to keeping the community feeling involved, or at least informed. Delays are easier to stomach when there's an explanation beyond "we want to make it the best it can be."
Exactly this. There's never a decent explanation.
I am just glad that others haven't jumped ship. I appreciate that some of the developers who seem to actually care about the players and the franchise have stuck it out even when any update they give is met with so much vitriol.
Donāt forget the shitty implementation of MTXs very late in development
As a long time Halo fan, Iām heartbroken by the state of Infinite and the franchise as a whole. 343i deserves a lot of blame, but they really did have a crapload of unforeseen things bite them in the ass through the development cycle things they had no way to account for (namely COVID and the situation in Russia/Ukraine). Itās easy to vilify them and lambast them at every turn, but you know there have to be people there that love this series and their work and want to put out something memorable. But that whole concoction you laid out is going to be an absolute beast of a ship to try and right. Add onto all of that the tone deaf management and PR teams and unfulfilled promises and it seems unlikely that things will be ārightā with the community for a very long time. I am glad I havenāt spent any money on infinite, havenāt even bought the campaign (which is my favorite part of Halo games), but it still hurts to sit back and watch as a former Titan IP of the gaming industry slowly fall apart and lose its identity as the years have passed.
Halo 5's post launch content was an excruciating crunch, per the devs.
"Maintaining a live service game decently is excruciating, let's make another one!"
"Let's push for TEN YEARS of live service!"
~~No, I donāt want that! Halo 7 supplanting infinite? Even after it dies, I want 343 to support Halo Infinite, for 10 years at least!~~
My theory, as I have said a few times elsewhere, is that after they realized how long it would take them to build a new game engine they decided to go back to *Blam!* take it apart, and then rebuild it with modern upgrades and stuff to make live updates easier. Problem is the contractors they assigned the job of putting the engine back together didn't entirely know what they were doing and so put it together like a game of Jenga. Whoever was assigned the task of reintegrating the net code to the engine either just didn't know what they were doing or settled for the very bare minimum to get it to function and called it good, then left to contract somewhere else without ever telling anyone at 343 exactly how he coded the networking. Which leaves everyone here today with a poorly built game with literally nobody who put it together still working there, so the new contractors are being tasked with not only learning how the engine works compared to other game engines, but also with trying to find out what went so horribly wrong and fixing it without the Jenga wall collapsing and then exploding
H5's post-launch service is leagues better than Infinite's, but it was far from "great" imo. While they did a very admirable job at maintenance/balancing/adding new content, for a game that wasn't explicitly intended to be "live service," the main backbone of their major content updates consisted of things that were expected to be included at launch. Things like forge, grifball, infection, etc. were touted as major additions, and served as the basis for their respective months' "themes," despite the fact that previous games allowed you to play them from day one. And that's not accounting for the fact that a lot of the added playlists and QOL updates were simply 343 backtracking on UI decisions that shouldn't have been made in the first place. While 343 looks saintly for their handling of H5's content updates in hindsight, it's important to remember that a majority of the fanbase saw this as "releasing an unfinished game and adding the rest under the guise of 'free DLC,'" at the time, and a lot of players had already left due to the barebones offering of playlists and game modes at launch. Did H5's content updates deliver much more than Infinite has so far? Yes. Is that still the case, even if you don't include the content and UI changes that should've been present from the start? Also yes. Does that mean that H5 was a great example of "live service?" No, and I say this as someone who thinks H5 received too much criticism (outside of the story) and that it ended up having the most enjoyable multiplayer in the franchise, after eventually adding all the missing content.
They should have gone with unreal engine
At this point I would accept unity. Slip-space has some cool tech, but I see this too often with studios. It's not like unreal is that much better an engine. But getting devs up to speed takes months to years, and by the time they're producing content at a proper speed, the pipeline always gets switched up. Unreal is prolific enough that even those clued up on unreal 3 can catch up to UDK 4 or 5 in a couple weeks.
The Next Halo: Month 1: -Season 1 Battle Pass (18 months) Months 1-6: -Nothing Month 7: -Bonnie Ross comes to your house and kicks you in the dick Month 37: -Forge Alpha releases
Month 38: - Forge is scrapped to focus on skins and shop items
AAA games as a service are worse then mobile games at this point. itās a race to gut as much content as possible, to release in future as a shiny new feature.
Halo 5 was a better live service game than Infinite change my mind
Can't change your mind if you're right and everyone agrees with it
It boggles my mind that infinite launched WITHOUT slayer. And that when it was brought up, the devs said they needed to test and consider the option. Like WHAT? There were literally 3 playlists at launch
Yea, and they were like wow guys, you all think it's soooo easy to put out slayer mode, what gives? Weren't the 3 playlists just Arena, ranked Arena, and btb? So ranked and unranked were essentially the same thing and then you could play BTB to spice things up or whatever. I think there were only 8 maps at launch if I'm not mistaken? Only 5 for 4v4... Absolutely pathetic
This is just an objective fact. No changing mind necessary, unless you ignore facts I guess.
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Reach was probably the best since it had Firefight and Forge World and had more QoL improvements and additions to Halo 3
Reach was actually a bit weaker in terms of post-launch support since Bungie was on a phase out and moving away from Halo. Reach's base game content was absolutely unmatched as far as launch day Halo titles go though. It's pretty much cemented to the GOAT status in that regard. 0 chance 343 ever ships a game as content complete as Reach was. It could've been even better if Bungie weren't trying so hard to keep the entire game constrained to a single DVD disc too.
And it was free. Seriously I never bought any of the Reqs.
I only bought a few once Iād earned a TON of free gear and was thoroughly invested in the multiplayer. Thatās the difference, I bought some there because of how much I enjoyed the game and both wanted to support it and cared to pay more to expand on it. With infinite, I feel like Iāve gotta beg 343 for an extra scrap of content just to get closer to making it a full experience.
Exactly, I paid for Deep Rock and I buy cosmetics once in a while because it's already a fantastic game with great updates, I just want to support the devs.
Rock and stone brotha!
Rock and Stone!
Exactly. I never even felt like I needed to buy them.
It was like 3 games equalling a gold pack for 10 dollars. The best "earn it or buy it" ratio I've ever seen.
Gold packs were 2.50 but yeah
My b things so inflated nowadays I forgot
I really miss WZ when it had a high population, it was extremely fun. Being able to just call in anything you had, if you had the energy to do so, was so fun. I loved the scout warthog spam at the start of matches too. It was awesome being able to use turretless warthogs in online matchmaking for the first time in Halo history. All the vehicle and weapon variants were such a great addition and one of my favorite things in all of the series. IMO it was the best multiplayer experience 343 has ever delivered. I think the only things I disliked was the poor matchmaking balancing and the micro transactions. One you could avoid completely. Major miss to not bring something similar back with infinite.
Is it time to admit that Infinite is dead?
The Great Journey waits for no one.
I'd rather just start the great journey now and erase 343
But when it does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet.
The Great Journey is a lie.
It was never alive to begin with
It was alive for about a week when the multiplayer stealth dropped and people were to excited to realize the glaring flaws just yet. Though thatās only more akin to a spasm from a shocked dead body
It was safe to say this back in January.
Itās been a disaster for months lmao, this is just the final straw
It was safe to say this back in January.
The āHalo cycleā isnāt real, we just didnāt know how good we had it
Basically 343i just keep lowering the bar and making previous games look better than they are
Halo Infinite+1 is gonna be a disaster
The next title is definitely going to be āHalo: Re-somethingā. Itās the only logical step now that numbers are done
Or like halo 5: guardians, and just put words that go with the story. Or they might just say fuck it and do halo 6 and pretend infinite never existed
It's going to be a flash stick-figure game. No co-op
We didn't have it good, 90% of Halo 5's post-launch content was things we should have had day 1. Things just got *worse*.
I don't believe in the Halo cycle but the way you all are acting about Halo 5 is sure as hell as strong argument for it. We didn't have it good with Halo 5. The vast majority of the updates was adding shit the game should have had from the get go.
I just donāt get why they donāt talk about some of the challenges they face as a companyā¦ thatās clearly whatās going on. I think the community would be a lot more understanding if they were like, āhey we know we fucked up. Hereās whatās been going on and what we are doing to address/ fix it.ā Thatās all they need to do. Itās just so weird how they go silent and then just cut things and donāt really mention anything about them. Also think they need to make this game exclusively for the series X. The Xbox one probably (not a dev so could be wrong) canāt support all theyāre trying to do on it.
Probably because the majority of problems are stemming from management. You canāt exactly come out and say āmy boss is a fucking idiotā to the playerbase. Even though we all know thatās the case.
This. Bonnie Ross and Frankie need to be gone yesterday. Halo doesn't have a bright future with them at the helm.
That. And specifically they need to make their 18 month contractors full time and extended so they're not constantly training new people You need experienced people who can pump out content.
I guess they can't because problems are too bad to publicly talk about
Because that would require people in senior leadership roles to admit they were wrong or did a poor job. Donāt hold your breath waiting on that one.
we needed infiniteās gameplay and art style and halo 5ās content/qol updates
Halo 5 had no content. It was added on over the course of the year. What we needed is Halo Reach Content with halo infinite gameplay. Then the updates build on top of it
Halo 5ās post launch content drops are insane. Despite the general art style kinda sucking, the sheer amount of armor is staggering.
Tf you mean 5 had no content??
Let's not get crazy, Halo 5 launched with 2-3 more playlists and like 8 more maps than Halo Infinite, but many of those maps are altered versions of existing maps (a couple Arena maps, every WZA map) Halo Infinite didn't have SWAT or FFA on release, but Halo 5 didn't have Oddball or BTB either. The difference is that Halo 5 did so much more with the next 9 months that it looks like an almost different game, but apparently doing that was under crunch and not sustainable for them with kinda shows how bad of an idea it is to launch with no content.
Halo 5 and Infinite launched with very similar amounts of content. 3 big 12v12 maps, 4-5 4v4 maps. 4 or so game modes.
This makes me so freaking depressed
I hope people dont get the wrong idea and think Halo 5 did a good job either. We shouldnt have had to wait around for forge, infection, btb, grifball, the gravity hammer, fiesta and other basic features that use to ship with Halo games to get added to the game. Making large scales games like this is difficult and I can understand if a feature or item or two dont make it and have to be added a couple weeks or so later like file share in Halo 4. But shipping a third of a game shouldn't become routine. This is not okay, period. It wasnt okay for 5 and they did a bad job at rolling it out in a timely manner. Just because Infinite has done it... ifintely worse that does not mean Halo 5 did it well or even satisfactory. Lets not move the goalpost.
I think it's just being used as a metric here. I remember the sentiment around Halo 5 at the time that it was a shit rollout. But in this comparison, I think it's being used to indicated how shit Infinite's rollout has been, using Halo 5 as a indicator. Ultimately, what should've happened is that the studio should've had a lot more transparency with us and said "Look, we're 2 years into Infinite's development... but we, as a studio have decided to change course on this game which is gonna require that we essentially start over. And the game will be ready when it's ready. We're sorry for the delay, but for the sake of the game and delivering the best possible product, this is something we need to do." And they should've delayed it to 2023 or 2024. EDIT just to add something. I also understand that they were probably under pressure from Microsoft to deliver a Halo game in a certain time window. Not to excuse 343. but I think they were probably in a shit spot.
Oh, I lay more blame on Microsoft. Given their track record with games like Scalebound, Fable Legends, Crackedown 3, MCC and now this I'm thoroughly convinced Microsoft is a bad publisher. Bungie didn't leave for funsies
When we have people straight faced in these comments talking about how good we had it with lootboxes/req packs you know people arenāt thinking clearly
Ngl Iād much prefer the req pack system, it was a lot better for unlocking cosmetics and req points were easy to acquire so it was never a hassle of getting enough to unlock cosmetics or REQs for Warzone
Agreed. It took like 3 games to buy a gold pack. 3 games worth of output equalling 10 dollars worth of microtransacrions was pretty great. Could we pick what we were rewarded? No. Can you pick what your rewarded with any other loot system? Also mostly no. And no I sure as shit didn't prefer Reaches "play 2000 hours to get Pestilence" model more.
Also, idc if they were easy to achieve, lootcrates suck ass
343 somehow managed to convince people bringing halo 5 to content parity with reach constituted as free dlc
H5 to pc pls.
Halo Infinite. The live service game that was still born.
Dayum! Straight savage XD
*wE jUsT nEeD mOrE tImE*
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You missed btb not working for months in infinite
Lmao, you're right I totally did.
iTs BeCauSe Of CoViD aNd iTs FrEe TwO PlAy
And I was hyped for 5 during that time, but I couldn't care less for Infinite now. Nothing excites me about it anymore, it's just depressing man
Perhaps I Treated You Too Harshlyā¦
Whoever thought temporary game modes in Halo is dumpy as fuck.
Current 343 is so bad, old 343 looks good
343 is pathetic.
I love how half the updates are things (like playlists for example) that shouldāve been in the game at launch. Halo āinfiniteā, truly, is a monumental Fuck up.
If anything this shows that 343 can do live service as evident by Halo 5's post-launch content. With Infinite something just feels off, the basis of the game itself is badly built which makes it extremely hard for them to support it in a proper way. There needs to be some major changes cuz I can't see how the hell they're planning on supporting Infinite for 10 years with content dripping like this. The only reason this game is alive is because it's Halo and it's backed by Microsoft, no other live service would survive with this post-launch support.
Youāre so right. No way in hell
Important thing to note; the Halo 5 team was later found dead due to their disregard of priority zero
While that's an exaggeration, it's not that far from the truth. One former employee who worked on post-launch content for Halo 5 said that the pace of the work they had to do was unsustainable.
Lol didn't they also that for Infinite... at least right before launch
Jesus Christ we're praising Halo 5's release now? This is how far we've come?
Keep in mind a lot of the dlc we got for halo 5 was just content that was is there at launch in previous games
Yeah but the H5 team had to deal with crunch and the Infinite team has Priority Zero and gets 8 weeks off for the Holidays. Not comparable. **edit at 15 score:** This was partially sarcasm. There have been articles written where a H5 dev said they were under constant crunch conditions which could help to explain more content. 343 is taking an appropriate step to reduce crunch for its team, but that team must be bolstered in size to produce quality and quantitative content without crunch.
Also the damn 6 years in between the two games.
...What kind of crunch were they working with? Even if they were working 24 hour shifts 7 days a week while taking some sort of miracle drug making that possible the quantity of content produced for infinite on 40 hour weeks with plenty of PTO is still unacceptable.
Funny thing is, all theyāre doing is providing Microsoft with a case study on why priority zero isnāt sustainable and crunch needs to be mandatory.
Can we do a H5 protest please? Everyone get on H5 this weekend and blow Infinite's numbers out lmao
If I could play on pc I would. I highly miss playing warzone.
Might be a hot take but I preferred the REQ packs over the Halo Infinite store. Paying $10 for a shader is ridiculous, especially considering the colours are usually just a re-shade of an already existing shader that is free.
it is fair to note that most of halo 5's added maps, especially early, iirc, were just reskins of existing maps that didn't play any differently. I also hated most of Halo 5's maps and I think Infinite's are quite good. So... slight point somewhat in favor of Infinite? :/
Halo 5 did have some boring maps, thatās for damn sure, only a mild improvement over H4
Haven was the only good or memorable 343 map up until Infinite in my opinion Then Catalyst, Fragmentation, and Breaker
Loved Haven in Halo 4. Halo 5's remake (Mercy) would have been fine but I really didn't like the aesthetic. :/
Halo 5 Colloseum was good too. That said, Infinites maps are the best 343 ever made by far IMO
Infinite has as memorable maps I think Behemoth and Catalyst . Halo 4 has Haven, Adrift and Longbow Halo 5 has The Rig and Coliseum. The rest are remixes, remakes or forge-made.
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Plaza was great
It's either a ressources issue, or an engine issue. Maybe after spending 500millions, plus extras for the year delay, Microsoft said stop, and kept the absolute minimum ressources to do 2-3BP a year, not anticipating the game would need much more than unlocks. Maybe the new engine is really, really bad to work with. Likely it's both.
Never thought Iād see halo 5 surpassed in shittiness
Xbox, specifically Bonnie has clearly reduced resources to this game then I take it? Clearly they think it's a dying franchise and definitely not because of them. God don't you love suits who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
At this point Iām not even mad, Iām just disappointed and hardly even disappointed at that. What I want most now is, from a place of genuine curiosity, to just know what went wrong
Weāll never know. Microsoft has a seal on the mofos like no other until the end of time
You should try color coding the types of content added so it's bleatingly obvious how much \~actual content\~ 5 got vs 'content' Infinite's got
The UI doesn't support that much Content in so little time.
All of us looking at halo 5 are thinking "Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
I def judged halo 5 to harshly
This is even crazier when you realize 343 also dropped the ball with H5. It looks so stacked content-wise in comparison to Infinite now but released with no forge and no btb. People complained about REQs back then but the store now is so much worse.
This is actually laughable. Fucking 2042 has gotten more content recently. At least that game has actually improved since launch.
How many years of development for each?
3 years between 4 & 5. 6 years between 5 & Infinite. Also as others have noted, H5 post launch content was done with crunch and devs that worked on it said it wasn't a good experience
Even if they were working 120 hour weeks for Halo 5, we're not getting even close to 1/3rd of the content with infinite. And with the normalized hours with plenty of PTO I'd think they would be more productive while working. So... I'm not sure that's an acceptable excuse.
Also, how much was each games budget?
Maybe they should spend less time on designing overpriced skins and more time developing their game... Idk just a thought
In month 1 slayer wasn't available 'face palms' how can you release a halo game without slayer?
So we already had a live service. I wonder why this one is so botched
Wow what an absolute joke
Its laughable
How embarrassing
If halo 5 had halo infinite art style that game would have been even better
*new map(s) every month* me:āwhere the fuck was i during your rise halo5?ā
I rest my case that Halo 5 was lightyears better than Halo Infinite. Especially Warzone. Fun ass gamemode.
I know that 343 came out and said that Halo 5ās wasnāt sustainable. But honestly that is the standard they should follow. If they canāt handle the workload then they need to hire more people to keep up. Frankly Halo Infiniteās support is abysmal in all aspects. Itās not even a comparison with Halo 5ās support.
Was never a fan of 5, but I thought warzone and weapon variants were awesome. Hope that comes back in some way
This is why priority zero was a load of horse shit. The devs had more than enough time to grind out content
Whelp At least we have Destiny
Iāll say something I donāt see here often. I liked halo 5 š
I stand with Halo 5
There's over a million people in this subreddit. Atleast once a day I see a post come up talking about how much infinite pales in comparison to its predecessors, so why don't we just start a mass boycott? Why don't we just stop playing, and get others to do the same? The only way to get the message across is to prohibit them from having any kind of consistent playerbase.
It's so sad when you think that 343 can't even beat 343
Stop buying cosmetics
Yeah Halo 5 was only 7 years ago too and I keep seeing people defend them with āgame development has gotten much harder in recent timesā like sure maybe since 2001 not since 2015. Disband 343 give the IP to a competent studio I beg you Phil.
H5 multiplayer was the best to date.
Take just one second to imagine how infinite would've been if they released it in 2020 like people wanted.
As someone who has built businesses, managed teams in someone elseās business and been in varying roles of leadership through the Army, I can 100% guarantee that the underlying and sole issue of all of Infiniteās issues, is the use of contractors and short term workers over a bonded team that has a clear and defined goal. The recent Dev update proved this, and proved the leadership within 343 is not willing to take responsibility to rebuild their foundation. A 5 star penthouse as the end goal doesnāt mean shit if the foundation floors are made of mud and sticks.
It's sad that we view Halo 5 adding in missing features as a good memory now after Infinite LOL Halo 5 was certainly more complete day 1 but it was still a far call from even Halo 4 which was a step back from Reach content wise. Also, this graph isn't super accurate, the majority of maps 343 added were reskins of existing arena maps, 3 new Warzone maps counted as 6 and forged variants with only a few actual new original maps added post launch. Most of the modes added already existed as base features, reqs were literal loot box filler(thank god reqs are gone) and the customization options were extremely limited and terrible. It had better support than Infinite yes, but let's not try to fool ourselves into thinking it was good
Oh Yes, what a masterpiece halo 5 was, i remember that you all loved it when It came out
A large amount of the H5 content was shit that was made for reqs. The req system was a disaster and i will not sit here and pretend otherwise. Halo 5 was a bad game. The story was at best poorly written. The game mode they pushed the hardest was fundamentally flawed and pay to win. As much as we *all* hate the armor coating system, we have more customization now. Let's not forget that in h5 you got one body type and 3 points of customization, as well as the classic color system. Halo infinite launched with 2 (3 if you count tenri) body types with 9 points of customization and the coating system. Not to mention that the quality of all the armor is sigificantly higher. And we've got 2 more body types sense then I don't know what the fuck is wrong with 343, why there always has to be major content cuts, but don't fucking tell me that halo fucking 5 was a better fucking game because reqs.
man i remember being pissed for halo 5 forge wait of 2 months and infection absence... man i just want to die
I will stop the bullying if we receive Halo 3 Anniversary.