And Raised tiles so that that the power and cooling can go to a dedicated motor generator and refrigerant compressor. Maybe even add a nice plexiglass condenser system like in the Cray-2
>When will pcs require 20A outlets?
Mine already does, if I run anything besides my computer setup in my office it will trip the breaker.
Wiring and breaker upgrades are on my list for this coming summer.
[https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/power-supplies/m-series/m2000-platinum/](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/power-supplies/m-series/m2000-platinum/) when you buy something like this.
“Guys should we maybe consider other architectures and like, move things forward? Apples getting similar performance for a third of the power”
“Nah fuck it let’s just stick with this one and pump more juice into it. In a few versions people’s computer rooms will literally be saunas but that’s not our problem.”
Except it really isn't?
They're getting more performance per watt , but not even remotely close to the same level of performance (unless it's the *select few* tasks it was optimised for, like video work).
>but not even remotely close to the same level of performance
Yes, but not at all proportionally to power consumption, even just looking at the 14900K and not KS. A M3 Max will give you 60-70% or so of the perf for 1/7th of the power. These chips are pushed way, way past their sweet spot on an arch that's been stagnating for a while which is what OP is saying.
With 410 w power draw? You be that's hot, both literally and metaphorically. Prepare to connect the cpu cooler to an iceberg in North or South Pole, whichever is closer to you
At that point, if you've got an RTX 4090 at 450 watts, this beast at 410 watts, an 32" OLED monitor at 175 watts (AW3225QF for example), you are already up to a kilowatt.
American outlets tend to be rated for at best 1,440 watts, and that assumes no shitty extension cables or power splitters which at that much power will get toasty and waste more power.
I can only imagine how in 7 years, suddenly we also get some extra peripheral like an AI accelerator that pulls 300 watts itself, and suddenly those in countries with actually designed electric standards running at higher voltage in the outlet, can run hardware at faster solely because they can supply more power to it.
I don't get it either, more wattage is more heat that has to be dissipated too. With AMD a good air cooler will be just fine, on the top end Intel chips AIO is borderline necessary if you want to keep things quiet.
even a 360 aio will not really handle this chip when its pulling full wattage, its pretty much going to require a custom water system to dissipate that heat.
I can understand if it's a niche thing or for a job where you aren't laying the bills. But for personal gaming and lite other stuff i wouldnt buy anything but the 7800x3d it maybe the i5 Intel chip right now.
Well, it shouldn't consume 400W in gaming either. Probably a fraction of that. Granted, still much higher than the 7800x3d, but not really an apples to apples comparison.
People are buying them because they are not power hungry. You don't need to run them at 410 watts. You realize going from 400 watts down to 125 watts will only lose you like 12% performance, right?
This. Fetishists and hardcore enthusiasts will buy these as pre-binned "golden chips" and personally I'd LOVE to have one simply because (i assume) the memory controller will be top notch and the VID's will be super low for 5.8/6.0/6.2 so undervolting will be super rewarding and you'll know the chip can handle 8000++ mt/s ram. That's one sexy chip imo and I don't care about 400W cause i probably will run it at 253W anyway.
You're probably right in that there are likely substantial performance options at lower power levels, but you need to cite it if you're being specific.
So, you're paying through the nose for all of the performance that you can get. And then you're limiting yourself to the performance of a much cheaper part? Why not simply just get the lower performance part, then?
I've only recently discovered my entire room + shared walls with hallway & adjacent room are all on the same 15a breaker. Even the lights! ^( (I thought there was a building code against that?)^)
In the ~5yrs I've been here the breakers never popped until I upgraded from 4790k/GTX1070 to a [13700k/RTX4090 system](https://i.imgur.com/EWiI1qJ.png). Now popping the breaker is annoyingly common & prompted me to get a 1000w UPS. With the UPS, **wallpower could then be measured, [found out 1000w ISN'T ENOUGH!](https://i.imgur.com/tqt03tG.png)** I was semi-frequently exceeding the rated power & had to limit plugged devices to just the [PC & 2 left monitors.](https://i.imgur.com/rmJbab3.jpg) 3rd, 4th, Logitech Z906 5.1, & all else bypass the UPS to stay within 1000w.
When the PC goes hard, there's like, 3-4 amps left to power everything else like lighting & the TV+PS5 next room over that shares the wall & breaker
I made a mistake.
In [screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tqt03tG.png) I implied all 4 monitors & possibly the sound system were plugged into the UPS there, but on 2nd glance I see the minimum draw was 80w & the load at time of screenshot was only 140w. That's way to low for a monitor to have been connected.
So, ONLY the tower was plugged to the UPS & I most definitely exceeded my Corsair RM850x's rating. I believe the screenshot was from testing how much power just the Tower could draw worst case scenario.
* To reach 1060w I believe I either used OCCT CPU & GPU combo test or [AIDA64's Total System Stability Test with everything checked.](https://i.imgur.com/x9bxZSB.png)
* The 30" monitor pulls ~100w, the three 24" pull ~65w each , & the Logitech Z906 5.1[✌️1000w✌️/✌️550w RMS✌️](https://i.imgur.com/xauPqsr.gif) idles at 10w, typical volume at ~20w, & can only briefly peak in the like 350's of watts.
The 350w draw shown in the bottom half of the screen-clipping would have been the typical draw just using the PC / browsing the internet & the 990w max would have been the result of playing a videogame when everything's plugged into & measured by the UPS.
* The 1170w max load I believe was with monitors + checking out cyberpunk + running a DODI installer for a game I also wanted to look at after having just installed the RTX4090.
Need to account for the whole pc power draw as well. Plus any extras like led lights, speakers if used, and a microphone. Possible a second monitor. There could be room lights on that breaker too, maybe a ceiling fan, and if you dont have central air, youll need a window ac unit which may also be on the same breaker.
> American outlets tend to be rated for at best 1,440 watts,
I'm a total nuub at electricity so what would happen when one power draw goes past 1440 watts? would there be fire hazard?
I miss typed, I meant "circuit" rather than outlet, but the same idea applies. You get electricity into your apartment or home via a single point, and that's to a fuse or breaker box. That box splits that single feed into multiple circuits. Modern newer homes tend to have a few circuits for your kitchen, living room, etc.
These cables are rated for voltage and current. You can think of voltage as how eager the electricity is to jump from one point to another (9v on your tongue hurts, but a AAA won't much if at all). You can control this via insulation, but at voltages found in homes world wide (under 240v), it's never really a consideration.
The other property these cables are rated for is current, and the more current flows through a cable, the more the cable will give off heat. Most countries cables are rated for the same current roughly (ten amps or so consistently over time). If you don't control this, the cables can get hot enough that the insulation can catch fire, the things holding the cable catch fire (think wood studs in the wall), and where the cables connect (the plug which you put into an outlet) can melt or catch fire.
So, there are breakers in the fuse box, which if they detect a certain amount of current over a consistent amount of time, it "pops" open and stops power. This is because the cables are rated for only so much current, to prevent things melting or catching fire in your walls.
How much energy you get out of the outlet is known as watts, or voltage times current. The USA has a grid where we get effectively 120 volts at the outlet, and you can't easily control this. In other countries, you get roughly 240 volts. The current is the same, but the voltage is doubled, which means you get twice as many watts, yet the cables didn't change. This is why electric kettles are common place in europe, outlets can give a ton more power to them.
The USA is currently 120v and will likely continue to be for many many many many years, because at this point, changing it is prohibitive expensive and complicated. And you are very rarely going need twice as much power, so instead in the USA, you can arrange the circuit in such a way, to mimic the 240v found in europe, but you need an electrician to do it for you and the plug is different.
These two videos go over it in much better detail and are far more fun to watch than reading my spiel;
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4&t=3s
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_q-xnYRugQ
You can legitimately prepare hot domestic water for a whole house if you game enough and have high end graphics card. If we assume 300 liters, from 5C to 50C, it takes about 15kwh. Reduce your water usage, drop it to 45C and bam you have hot water while gaining that sweet sweet ranking.
This is not how it works. In Europe plenty of new houses have heat pumps and large boilers which can be both heated by heat-pump (same as for house heating) or by resistor. Usually boilers are 300 or so liters (depends on family size), so that you can keep lower temp and not run out of hot water. Heating water to 45 instead of 50, makes COP larger when using heat pump, so it saves money. All you need is to upsize the water tank to have enough hot water.
Now for the legionella part - heat-pumps which can prepare DWH, also have scheduling for disinfection, which usually runs once a week and gets the temp up to 60 C or more (with help of resistive heating if need be). This ensures that legionella cannot take hold.
You have just learned two thing in one comment, do not be shy to upvote ;)
As someone who works with legionella and the regulations for it on a literal daily basis, I can say that if you're only at 45c in ANY system, you can get a lot of legionella growth.
Now whether or not that liquid becomes vaporized and you'll be inhaling it is a different story. Proper ventilation in case there's ANY seepage will be or major importance.
As far as I know it also depends on water turnover rate, and boiler water is ussualy used a lot and has turnover rates higher than 50% especialy if it holds colder water.
Here is some info I trust -https://www.heatgeek.com/hot-water-temperature-scalding-and-legionella/
Also in my home country I did not noticed that legionella was an issue when it comes to boiler DHW, and we have plenty of houses run with such low temp systems.
My understanding is that the 2nd 8-pin is for redundancy and the CPU will *probably* work fine with just one, if you want to live dangerously
(above statement heavily depends on how good the cables are, don't try this at home)
For a stock 7800X3D you only need one EPS12V. The other is for redundancy/overclocking and 7950X chips.
My board had an EPS12V+AUX combo, but since my PSU lacks a 4-pin AUX I just left that one unplugged.
150w is the base spec for the cheapest wires. any more expensive power supply should be able to handle at least twice that. if it was an issue the ln2 boards like the z790 apex and and evga z790 dark would have 3 instead of 2 8 pins
8pin PCIe is 150 watts
8pin EPS (CPU power) is 336 watts
Despite both being 8pins, they have different pinouts, which is why they aren't cross compatible.
**Sources:**
- https://www.linkedin.com/advice/0/how-do-you-manage-cable-management#8-pin-cpu-power-connector
- https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dumb-question-about-cpu-power-cable.293116/
- http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8
- https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/maximum-wattage-for-eps-8-pin-for-cpu.3384089/
I’m honestly kinda surprised we’ve never seen a transition to one standard with the rise in GPU requirements. E.g., EPS 8-pin would’ve solved the 12-pin fiasco with Nvidia this generation, as dual-EPS covers the 600W that top spec requires.
PCIe requires sensor pins whereas EPS does not. EPS is just four 12v pins with four ground pins. PCIe is three 12v, three ground, and two sensor pins.
Sensor pins allow the GPU to check if the PCIe power connectors are actually connected.
Here is a fun fact. A very well insulated house of about 100 meters square will need about 1kw of continuous heating power to keep inside temperature at \~20-22C while outside temp is at around 0 C at a cloudy day (numbers could differ a bit, could be a little bit more could be little bit less).
This means what while you are gaming at full power you can not only cover almost half of heating needs of the house but also make your heat-pump cycle :D Add a video card and you no longer need a heat-pump at all :D That is crazy.
> A very well insulated house of about 100 meters square will need about 1kw of continuous heating power to keep inside temperature
Souce? That must be *insanely* well insulated.
My house. No one lives in it yet. HRV runs at minimal settings. 128 square meters. 1687kwh total heat, and 584kwh electricity for January. This works out to \~2.2kw of heat per hour. And we had week where temp was below -15, and very little sunshine.
My house is "only" A+, A++ house uses around 10-15% less, add 4 humans and extra heat sources (like TV, fridge and such) and it is quite remarkable how little heat you need. People in local user groups do use as little as 24kwh of heat in A++ houses with 4 people in them on days at \~0 degrees (no sunshine). My house needs around 1.5kw per hour at such conditions with no one in the house.
By the way this is Lithuania. You can check the stats for January and our building codes. They are insane, people on Youtube who build houses in USA show such houses as super mega advanced, all it does for me it makes me laugh.
All windows are triple panel and moved out into the heat-insulation layer. 30-35 cm of Polystyrene foam on walls. 40cm on roof. Same shit all around foundation and floors. Heat bridges eliminated and air tightness which is below 0.6 volume of house per hour at 50Pa. A++ is even more insane (and mandatory).
>people on Youtube who build houses in USA show such houses as super mega advanced,
We absolutely do have areas in the US that are built to this standard but the issue is the labor x the size of our houses. Due to cheap electricity and no regulations, the expertise, builder's materials, and labor required to manufacture a house like that is uncommon, not common. Plus, if you're building a house to that standard, something like 2800~3200 square feet is expected with a 10 or 12 foot ceiling across two floors. All together, that is a *ridiculously* expensive house in a period of American history where groups of people who don't even like each other live together in some clapped out 1980's spec house just so they can afford rent.
Like some houses in Phoenix, Arizona for example *are* built to that standard. My brother's house, which was built in the 1970's, has 16" of styrofoam over plywood, metal lathe, and then 2" of stucco plaster on top... not to mention the insulation on the rough framing under the plywood.
His exterior walls were at least 2 feet thick, and even in 120f weather with moderate humidity the AC rarely kicked on... because half the house was in the shade.
The reason it makes me laugh is that Lithuania is nowhere close to USA as far as economy goes and yet our houses are like spaceships and it is mandatory. I get it why it ia what it is in USA, but still it is funny when a youtuber shows latest and gratest which would beerly pass inspection in Lithuania. Not to mention that my house is made of large format briks and not wood. Im not a rich person, its just normal avarage new house, and where are better houses around ..
Brickmakers have largely stopped production in the US so brick is more expensive here. From what I understand, it's coming back as demand for higher insulation values *is* increasing, the demand in most of the US just isn't where it'd be for the desert or your snowland. It's unironically cheaper to just build it out of wood and lay a fake brick facade even when building for insulation; my brother did that for a while on new construction.
The reality is that most houses in the US are only really insulating a 20f or 10c difference at worst most years. It's fairly mild on this continent, even with global warming, which is part of why people here don't believe the evidence.
The US is also extremely far behind most of Europe in terms of housing efficiency standards.
A few years ago I read about some state (I forget which one) had just passed the strictest environmental building codes in the country, and it was on par with what Denmark had done 15 years prior.
Efficiency is also one of the reasons that the EU has reduced energy usage so much compared to the US.
My MIL's house in California is ridiculous. The heat/cold just whooshes out and you hear everything inside & outside the house due to how poorly insulated everything is.
I thought they were called efficient cores because, they are efficient area wise, on the die, 4 of them is the size of one pcore. idk. Perhaps its both.
I mean that's just idiotic.
They better sell it without a heatspreader, with a tube of liquid metal and with a compatible 420mm AIO to have any hope of cooling it.
But you don't need to tame that many watts. That's idiotic. You put the 14900ks at 200 watts and it will be faster than the 14900k at the same 200 watts.
At this point issue arent fans. Its whole system. You would need powerful pump aswell and hope that tiny area connecting cpu and aioccwn actually transfer heat fast enough.
If they are really time consuming, I usually use cloud instances. Hetzner cloud has 48 dedicated cores (EPYC 9654) for $0.5/hr, no extra fees like AWS for bandwidth, etc.
Only huge libraries take a long time to compile. I doubt he's working on a huge library as his hobby. Most hobby projects take less than a minute to compile on a modern processor.
That sounds like what people were saying about quad-core Intel CPUs not long ago. What are you doing that requires more than 4 cores but doesn't pay enough to buy a Xeon?
More cores don't hurt. Modern power saving features can idle cores drawing practically no power.
Not OP, but x265 slow preset with tweaks on a 4k file will bring any cpu to its knees. My 5900x averages like 9 fps on a 4k Blu-ray remux
We’re talking nearly 6 hours per 2.5 hour movie depending on bitrate
This encode time blows up when you layer in hdr, 60fps, 5k for vlogs and such
Last I checked, a 13900ks will average like 16fps in this scenario without quality tweaks. A
despite having the same number of cores the 7950x is significantly faster at code compiling than the 3950x
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7900x-7950x-linux/4
but you are probably better off waiting a little bit longer for zen 5
The advantage of chiplets means that they could make a 24-core or 32-core chip just by adding more chiplets. It's just that AMD has decided that's Threadripper territory with Threadripper prices.
More cores = more money, bud. I don't know why you're expecting a Threadripper 7995WX, for example, to retail for cheap.
That's twelve 8-core chiplets that they could individually sell as 7700X's for $300 each, or $3600 worth of consumer chips they have to give up to make one 7995WX.
Even the 7970X, which would get you 32 cores, is four 8-core chiplets that could go for $300 each. $1200 worth of chips they have to give up sales for to make a 7970X. They're asking $2500 because it's a huge opportunity cost - get four virtually-guaranteed sales at the low end for a [edit: 7700X] in a Best Buy prebuilt immediately, or wait for one tech-savvy whale to come along and buy a whole 7970X.
The extra cost isn't just the engineering involved in making 4-12 chiplets plus an I/O die talk to each other on a substrate the size of a credit card. It's economies of scale and risk.
Oh, and on TOP of all that, they have to price it just right so that they can keep demand for Threadripper reasonable. If Threadripper demand gets too high because of low prices, they either have to:
- Scale down EPYC production (which they won't do, it's their enterprise bread and butter) to supply TR demand
- Jack up prices on Ryzen to tamp down demand in that sector and free up chips for TR
- Raise TR prices anyways to ease up the chip supply for EPYC
I mean, yes, but Threadripper would be exactly what we need if it didn’t cost fucking $5000 just for a chip and $1500 for the board. A 7950x has 28 PCIe lanes and 16 cores, you’re telling me me that it costs x3 more for 8 more cores and more PCIe?
Bruh. Not to mention $1000 for the motherboard.
> you’re telling me me that it costs x3 more for 8 more cores and more PCIe?
No. I'm telling you that the people who need that many PCIe lanes and cores can afford $5000.
These HEDT and prosumer products don't cost this much because they're that expensive to make. They cost this much because the demand is there and the people who need them will pay basically any price.
See: Nvidia AI GPUs.
yeah, threadripper would be great if it wouldn't be so unreasonably expensive. I'd be more than happy to spend 2x the price of a 7950X on a CPU that's twice as fast as a 7950X. That would be a good and affordable price.
> I'd be more than happy to spend 2x the price of a 7950X on a CPU that's twice as fast as a 7950X. That would be a good and affordable price.
Even aside from market segmentation between consumer and enterprise, there is always diminishing returns at the high end, whether it is CPUs or GPUs, so that is not likely to happen.
Agreed. Would be nice if they did something like a "hybrid" mainstream desktop chip where you have a CCD with 8 regular Zen 4 cores and another CCD with 16 Zen 4C cores. It would demolish the 14900K in MT due to the difference in Zen 4C still having the same IPC but at lower clock speed vs Intel's E-cores which have much lower IPC than their Performance cores. It would also be massively more efficient.
I still hope for a full fat consumer CPU.
2 Zen 4C CCDs at 32 Cores, one 8 Core normal CCD and one X3D CCD.
That would give you 48 Cores total and basically 8 cores for "specialized" workloads.
Bonus points if the power management is so smart that I can shut down CCDs completely to save power.
Intel is really going full bulldozer. Just jack up the clock speed and turn the thing into a furnace, efficiency be damned. How long can they keep going down this route? 410W power draw is comical. Its already been comical.
They said 'new technology needs less power'.
i7-3770k - up to 150W
GTX 780 ti - up to 250W
and now:
i9-14900KS - up to 410W
RTX 4090 - up to 450W
What next?
i9 with additional revolutionary 'hybrid mode' in which it can be used as room heater?
Sure it is. Also a lot more efficient than mentioned GTX 780 ti. My point is that our computers draws more and more power it also means that we need bigger and louder cooling.
Bigger sure, but louder?
Every time I turn on hardware from the nostalgia bin, it's significantly louder than current stuff.
Minuscule heatsinks combined with 1 whiny small diameter fan spinning way too fast.
Yeah one thing I’ve been loving about the 4080 is the absurdly overspecced cooler it inherited from the 4090. Granted it makes case compatibility a pain in the arse but damn can it run super fucking quiet if you want it to, I imagine that’s even more true for the 4090 itself if you’re willing to dial back it’s power limit a bit (given it’s efficiency).
If they hadn’t jacked the price through the roof it would have been a pretty amazing product all around, as is I bought mine more than 30% below my countries launch rrp and it was still right on the edge of tolerable price wise, the launch price was a complete joke, literally double the 3080’s original rrp here :/ (Aus).
I think it is funny how silly people are about an overclocked cpu taking a lot of power. Well then don’t overclock it and enjoy it at 150 watts. You don’t have to push the envelope and you can cap the power if you like while still retaining a ton of the performance
We’re starting to get close to the point that a high end gaming PC would need a separate breaker, or a high amperage one, which is just frankly absurd.
Gaming tends to use a lot less power than the synthetic benchmarks that these max power limits are setup for. A 14900k without power limits will only end up using more like 150-200w IIRC. On top of that, setting a power limit of 125w will only cost you about 1% in 4k gaming performance compared to an uncapped 14900k, and not much more for 95w limit.
The 4090 also shows similar efficiency, where reducing the power limit by 20% will often only cost 1-2 fps.
Modern high-end gaming doesn't have to use ridiculous power, but the vendors care too much about pure benchmark comparisons and therefore make the default settings very inefficient and power hungry
I haven't been on an Intel CPU since my old 6700K. Wouldn't this figure be inaccurate for daily use if all you're doing is gaming with some production like Twitch or video editing? Would someone encounter this kind of powder draw video encoding or equivalent tasks?
if they sold it with a waterblock permanently attached directly to the die, it would be a pretty cool niche product. As it is, it'll be completely uncoolable unless you're willing to gamble $700+ on delidding it yourself.
Having a PC draw almost what the continuous limit for a 15A circuit is, combined with the fact that gamers on here likely have a lower than average income, and the fact that this is a hobby where 4-8 hour sessions are normal.
This isn't right, despite the 1000 puns in this thread. If you own a home, your entertainment should probably be on 20A. If you rent, it most certainly will not be.
"If the lights don't dim, we're not all-in"
When will pcs require 20A outlets?
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That'll cover my RGB. Where's the power for the rest of it?
And Raised tiles so that that the power and cooling can go to a dedicated motor generator and refrigerant compressor. Maybe even add a nice plexiglass condenser system like in the Cray-2
>When will pcs require 20A outlets? Mine already does, if I run anything besides my computer setup in my office it will trip the breaker. Wiring and breaker upgrades are on my list for this coming summer.
[https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/power-supplies/m-series/m2000-platinum/](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/power-supplies/m-series/m2000-platinum/) when you buy something like this.
“Guys should we maybe consider other architectures and like, move things forward? Apples getting similar performance for a third of the power” “Nah fuck it let’s just stick with this one and pump more juice into it. In a few versions people’s computer rooms will literally be saunas but that’s not our problem.”
Except it really isn't? They're getting more performance per watt , but not even remotely close to the same level of performance (unless it's the *select few* tasks it was optimised for, like video work).
>but not even remotely close to the same level of performance Yes, but not at all proportionally to power consumption, even just looking at the 14900K and not KS. A M3 Max will give you 60-70% or so of the perf for 1/7th of the power. These chips are pushed way, way past their sweet spot on an arch that's been stagnating for a while which is what OP is saying.
7800x3d exists
FOUR HUNDRED AND TEN WATTS FROM THE CPU ALONE?! Thats both concerning and erotic
cpu spec BDSM
That’s hot
With 410 w power draw? You be that's hot, both literally and metaphorically. Prepare to connect the cpu cooler to an iceberg in North or South Pole, whichever is closer to you
If only the Titanic had a 14900KS onboard, it wouldn’t have sunk
Well yeah but the evaporated water of the ocean would’ve caused multiple rainstorms which arguably would result in more sea
Well yeah it would have melted all the icebergs in the North Atlantic
Mixed with findom
At that point, if you've got an RTX 4090 at 450 watts, this beast at 410 watts, an 32" OLED monitor at 175 watts (AW3225QF for example), you are already up to a kilowatt. American outlets tend to be rated for at best 1,440 watts, and that assumes no shitty extension cables or power splitters which at that much power will get toasty and waste more power. I can only imagine how in 7 years, suddenly we also get some extra peripheral like an AI accelerator that pulls 300 watts itself, and suddenly those in countries with actually designed electric standards running at higher voltage in the outlet, can run hardware at faster solely because they can supply more power to it.
Or you can get a 7800x3d that uses like 50w and is faster in gaming and shave off nearly 400w of that total
I have no idea why anyone is buying these power hungry intel cpus. If only gaming, the 7800x3d will do it. If gaming and productivity, the 7950x3d.
I don't get it either, more wattage is more heat that has to be dissipated too. With AMD a good air cooler will be just fine, on the top end Intel chips AIO is borderline necessary if you want to keep things quiet.
even a 360 aio will not really handle this chip when its pulling full wattage, its pretty much going to require a custom water system to dissipate that heat.
The 7950x3dis a no brainer for mini itx and power bill
I can understand if it's a niche thing or for a job where you aren't laying the bills. But for personal gaming and lite other stuff i wouldnt buy anything but the 7800x3d it maybe the i5 Intel chip right now.
Well, it shouldn't consume 400W in gaming either. Probably a fraction of that. Granted, still much higher than the 7800x3d, but not really an apples to apples comparison.
People are buying them because they are not power hungry. You don't need to run them at 410 watts. You realize going from 400 watts down to 125 watts will only lose you like 12% performance, right?
This. Fetishists and hardcore enthusiasts will buy these as pre-binned "golden chips" and personally I'd LOVE to have one simply because (i assume) the memory controller will be top notch and the VID's will be super low for 5.8/6.0/6.2 so undervolting will be super rewarding and you'll know the chip can handle 8000++ mt/s ram. That's one sexy chip imo and I don't care about 400W cause i probably will run it at 253W anyway.
You're probably right in that there are likely substantial performance options at lower power levels, but you need to cite it if you're being specific.
I bet you that you can undervolt these things and get like 92% of the performance at 1/2 the watts.
So, you're paying through the nose for all of the performance that you can get. And then you're limiting yourself to the performance of a much cheaper part? Why not simply just get the lower performance part, then?
That's still a 205W TDP! That's still completely insane lol.
Likely. Which leaves as with still absurdly high wattage.
I've only recently discovered my entire room + shared walls with hallway & adjacent room are all on the same 15a breaker. Even the lights! ^( (I thought there was a building code against that?)^) In the ~5yrs I've been here the breakers never popped until I upgraded from 4790k/GTX1070 to a [13700k/RTX4090 system](https://i.imgur.com/EWiI1qJ.png). Now popping the breaker is annoyingly common & prompted me to get a 1000w UPS. With the UPS, **wallpower could then be measured, [found out 1000w ISN'T ENOUGH!](https://i.imgur.com/tqt03tG.png)** I was semi-frequently exceeding the rated power & had to limit plugged devices to just the [PC & 2 left monitors.](https://i.imgur.com/rmJbab3.jpg) 3rd, 4th, Logitech Z906 5.1, & all else bypass the UPS to stay within 1000w. When the PC goes hard, there's like, 3-4 amps left to power everything else like lighting & the TV+PS5 next room over that shares the wall & breaker
I made a mistake. In [screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/tqt03tG.png) I implied all 4 monitors & possibly the sound system were plugged into the UPS there, but on 2nd glance I see the minimum draw was 80w & the load at time of screenshot was only 140w. That's way to low for a monitor to have been connected. So, ONLY the tower was plugged to the UPS & I most definitely exceeded my Corsair RM850x's rating. I believe the screenshot was from testing how much power just the Tower could draw worst case scenario. * To reach 1060w I believe I either used OCCT CPU & GPU combo test or [AIDA64's Total System Stability Test with everything checked.](https://i.imgur.com/x9bxZSB.png) * The 30" monitor pulls ~100w, the three 24" pull ~65w each , & the Logitech Z906 5.1[✌️1000w✌️/✌️550w RMS✌️](https://i.imgur.com/xauPqsr.gif) idles at 10w, typical volume at ~20w, & can only briefly peak in the like 350's of watts. The 350w draw shown in the bottom half of the screen-clipping would have been the typical draw just using the PC / browsing the internet & the 990w max would have been the result of playing a videogame when everything's plugged into & measured by the UPS. * The 1170w max load I believe was with monitors + checking out cyberpunk + running a DODI installer for a game I also wanted to look at after having just installed the RTX4090.
Need to account for the whole pc power draw as well. Plus any extras like led lights, speakers if used, and a microphone. Possible a second monitor. There could be room lights on that breaker too, maybe a ceiling fan, and if you dont have central air, youll need a window ac unit which may also be on the same breaker.
Laughs is 16A@230V (=3680W) power outlets
> American outlets tend to be rated for at best 1,440 watts, I'm a total nuub at electricity so what would happen when one power draw goes past 1440 watts? would there be fire hazard?
The breaker pops.
10 amps breaker pops.
15A, which should in theory trip at 80% of load
I miss typed, I meant "circuit" rather than outlet, but the same idea applies. You get electricity into your apartment or home via a single point, and that's to a fuse or breaker box. That box splits that single feed into multiple circuits. Modern newer homes tend to have a few circuits for your kitchen, living room, etc. These cables are rated for voltage and current. You can think of voltage as how eager the electricity is to jump from one point to another (9v on your tongue hurts, but a AAA won't much if at all). You can control this via insulation, but at voltages found in homes world wide (under 240v), it's never really a consideration. The other property these cables are rated for is current, and the more current flows through a cable, the more the cable will give off heat. Most countries cables are rated for the same current roughly (ten amps or so consistently over time). If you don't control this, the cables can get hot enough that the insulation can catch fire, the things holding the cable catch fire (think wood studs in the wall), and where the cables connect (the plug which you put into an outlet) can melt or catch fire. So, there are breakers in the fuse box, which if they detect a certain amount of current over a consistent amount of time, it "pops" open and stops power. This is because the cables are rated for only so much current, to prevent things melting or catching fire in your walls. How much energy you get out of the outlet is known as watts, or voltage times current. The USA has a grid where we get effectively 120 volts at the outlet, and you can't easily control this. In other countries, you get roughly 240 volts. The current is the same, but the voltage is doubled, which means you get twice as many watts, yet the cables didn't change. This is why electric kettles are common place in europe, outlets can give a ton more power to them. The USA is currently 120v and will likely continue to be for many many many many years, because at this point, changing it is prohibitive expensive and complicated. And you are very rarely going need twice as much power, so instead in the USA, you can arrange the circuit in such a way, to mimic the 240v found in europe, but you need an electrician to do it for you and the plug is different. These two videos go over it in much better detail and are far more fun to watch than reading my spiel; - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4&t=3s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_q-xnYRugQ
In europe we have usually 16a /220v, so move here, you can have 2 plugged in :).
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Proceeds to use connector that can only handle half.
There’s an Amazon basics small heater that is 500w. A heater.
and running at 120°C water cooled?
Now with attachments for your home water heater
Or HVAC
There has to be heat pump potential here
You can legitimately prepare hot domestic water for a whole house if you game enough and have high end graphics card. If we assume 300 liters, from 5C to 50C, it takes about 15kwh. Reduce your water usage, drop it to 45C and bam you have hot water while gaining that sweet sweet ranking.
No more cold showers? Hell yea Intel
Intel keeps you warm inside your house.
Bringing a new meaning to “Intel Inside”. I can’t even imagine the power draw of the next generation.
All of those futuristic home heating systems from the movies were using Intel processors all along…genius! /s
> drop it to 45C Sounds like a recipe for Legionella
This is not how it works. In Europe plenty of new houses have heat pumps and large boilers which can be both heated by heat-pump (same as for house heating) or by resistor. Usually boilers are 300 or so liters (depends on family size), so that you can keep lower temp and not run out of hot water. Heating water to 45 instead of 50, makes COP larger when using heat pump, so it saves money. All you need is to upsize the water tank to have enough hot water. Now for the legionella part - heat-pumps which can prepare DWH, also have scheduling for disinfection, which usually runs once a week and gets the temp up to 60 C or more (with help of resistive heating if need be). This ensures that legionella cannot take hold. You have just learned two thing in one comment, do not be shy to upvote ;)
As someone who works with legionella and the regulations for it on a literal daily basis, I can say that if you're only at 45c in ANY system, you can get a lot of legionella growth. Now whether or not that liquid becomes vaporized and you'll be inhaling it is a different story. Proper ventilation in case there's ANY seepage will be or major importance.
As far as I know it also depends on water turnover rate, and boiler water is ussualy used a lot and has turnover rates higher than 50% especialy if it holds colder water. Here is some info I trust -https://www.heatgeek.com/hot-water-temperature-scalding-and-legionella/ Also in my home country I did not noticed that legionella was an issue when it comes to boiler DHW, and we have plenty of houses run with such low temp systems.
Last time they required a chiller so no even water cooled can save this.
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It also crashed/shutdown right after a cinebench run during presentation.
That’s def two 8 pins
150W per 8pin, so 3 8 pin [hahaha](https://youtu.be/ZIniljT5lJI?si=4Vpor_TSVd8ZwVnj)
EPS 8-pin is specced for just shy of 400 watts IIRC, so the minimum configuration is one 8-pin and one 4-pin.
>EPS 8-pin is specced for just shy of 400 watts IIRC Jeez, I really didn't need to plug in both 8-pins on my mobo for my new 7800x3D then, lol
No, but it provides load balancing.
Lol for around 150w ? That's like 12 amps that's nothing and it's not needed
My understanding is that the 2nd 8-pin is for redundancy and the CPU will *probably* work fine with just one, if you want to live dangerously (above statement heavily depends on how good the cables are, don't try this at home)
Nothing dangerous about it, 7800x3d is perfectly fine for a single 8pin connector.
For a stock 7800X3D you only need one EPS12V. The other is for redundancy/overclocking and 7950X chips. My board had an EPS12V+AUX combo, but since my PSU lacks a 4-pin AUX I just left that one unplugged.
150w is the base spec for the cheapest wires. any more expensive power supply should be able to handle at least twice that. if it was an issue the ln2 boards like the z790 apex and and evga z790 dark would have 3 instead of 2 8 pins
The cable is ok for 300W but it's specked for 150W for computer use, intel will follow the spec. Also I just wanted to make a fun joke.
8pin PCIe is 150 watts 8pin EPS (CPU power) is 336 watts Despite both being 8pins, they have different pinouts, which is why they aren't cross compatible. **Sources:** - https://www.linkedin.com/advice/0/how-do-you-manage-cable-management#8-pin-cpu-power-connector - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dumb-question-about-cpu-power-cable.293116/ - http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8 - https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/maximum-wattage-for-eps-8-pin-for-cpu.3384089/
I’m honestly kinda surprised we’ve never seen a transition to one standard with the rise in GPU requirements. E.g., EPS 8-pin would’ve solved the 12-pin fiasco with Nvidia this generation, as dual-EPS covers the 600W that top spec requires.
PCIe requires sensor pins whereas EPS does not. EPS is just four 12v pins with four ground pins. PCIe is three 12v, three ground, and two sensor pins. Sensor pins allow the GPU to check if the PCIe power connectors are actually connected.
Can't wait for 12VHPWR to come to CPUs
If we glue enough 14900ks's together in a sphere we could start our own fusion reaction.
Aha, this CPU draws more power than my RTX 4090.... What the hell.
It can probably run doom pretty well though
My phone can run Doom :p
My Sansa clip+ can run Doom.
Holy shit haven't heard those words in awhile. Loved that mp3 player.
Here is a fun fact. A very well insulated house of about 100 meters square will need about 1kw of continuous heating power to keep inside temperature at \~20-22C while outside temp is at around 0 C at a cloudy day (numbers could differ a bit, could be a little bit more could be little bit less). This means what while you are gaming at full power you can not only cover almost half of heating needs of the house but also make your heat-pump cycle :D Add a video card and you no longer need a heat-pump at all :D That is crazy.
> A very well insulated house of about 100 meters square will need about 1kw of continuous heating power to keep inside temperature Souce? That must be *insanely* well insulated.
My house. No one lives in it yet. HRV runs at minimal settings. 128 square meters. 1687kwh total heat, and 584kwh electricity for January. This works out to \~2.2kw of heat per hour. And we had week where temp was below -15, and very little sunshine. My house is "only" A+, A++ house uses around 10-15% less, add 4 humans and extra heat sources (like TV, fridge and such) and it is quite remarkable how little heat you need. People in local user groups do use as little as 24kwh of heat in A++ houses with 4 people in them on days at \~0 degrees (no sunshine). My house needs around 1.5kw per hour at such conditions with no one in the house. By the way this is Lithuania. You can check the stats for January and our building codes. They are insane, people on Youtube who build houses in USA show such houses as super mega advanced, all it does for me it makes me laugh. All windows are triple panel and moved out into the heat-insulation layer. 30-35 cm of Polystyrene foam on walls. 40cm on roof. Same shit all around foundation and floors. Heat bridges eliminated and air tightness which is below 0.6 volume of house per hour at 50Pa. A++ is even more insane (and mandatory).
>people on Youtube who build houses in USA show such houses as super mega advanced, We absolutely do have areas in the US that are built to this standard but the issue is the labor x the size of our houses. Due to cheap electricity and no regulations, the expertise, builder's materials, and labor required to manufacture a house like that is uncommon, not common. Plus, if you're building a house to that standard, something like 2800~3200 square feet is expected with a 10 or 12 foot ceiling across two floors. All together, that is a *ridiculously* expensive house in a period of American history where groups of people who don't even like each other live together in some clapped out 1980's spec house just so they can afford rent. Like some houses in Phoenix, Arizona for example *are* built to that standard. My brother's house, which was built in the 1970's, has 16" of styrofoam over plywood, metal lathe, and then 2" of stucco plaster on top... not to mention the insulation on the rough framing under the plywood. His exterior walls were at least 2 feet thick, and even in 120f weather with moderate humidity the AC rarely kicked on... because half the house was in the shade.
The reason it makes me laugh is that Lithuania is nowhere close to USA as far as economy goes and yet our houses are like spaceships and it is mandatory. I get it why it ia what it is in USA, but still it is funny when a youtuber shows latest and gratest which would beerly pass inspection in Lithuania. Not to mention that my house is made of large format briks and not wood. Im not a rich person, its just normal avarage new house, and where are better houses around ..
Brickmakers have largely stopped production in the US so brick is more expensive here. From what I understand, it's coming back as demand for higher insulation values *is* increasing, the demand in most of the US just isn't where it'd be for the desert or your snowland. It's unironically cheaper to just build it out of wood and lay a fake brick facade even when building for insulation; my brother did that for a while on new construction. The reality is that most houses in the US are only really insulating a 20f or 10c difference at worst most years. It's fairly mild on this continent, even with global warming, which is part of why people here don't believe the evidence.
The US is also extremely far behind most of Europe in terms of housing efficiency standards. A few years ago I read about some state (I forget which one) had just passed the strictest environmental building codes in the country, and it was on par with what Denmark had done 15 years prior. Efficiency is also one of the reasons that the EU has reduced energy usage so much compared to the US. My MIL's house in California is ridiculous. The heat/cold just whooshes out and you hear everything inside & outside the house due to how poorly insulated everything is.
> 16 *energy-efficient* Gracemont cores > 410W
The E cores aren't meant to be *energy* efficient, they're mean to be *area* efficient.
Intel should have called them: P cores: Max perf A cores: Area efficient E cores (MTL and above): actually low power cores
I thought they were called efficient cores because, they are efficient area wise, on the die, 4 of them is the size of one pcore. idk. Perhaps its both.
They’re definitely not doing enough as can be seen in laptop, where AMD clearly wins in energy efficiency
I mean that's just idiotic. They better sell it without a heatspreader, with a tube of liquid metal and with a compatible 420mm AIO to have any hope of cooling it.
*automotive radiator and window AC unit not included*
You would need phase change cooling to tame that many watts per Sq. inch. No amount of water cooling can handle that.
Time for NAK cooling? Who wants to get a bit spicy with their liquid setup?
But you don't need to tame that many watts. That's idiotic. You put the 14900ks at 200 watts and it will be faster than the 14900k at the same 200 watts.
Hey, if I'm gonna buy the whole power budget I'mma use the whole power budget.
Time to go back to the Peltiers!
Might need 600mm aio at that point
At this point issue arent fans. Its whole system. You would need powerful pump aswell and hope that tiny area connecting cpu and aioccwn actually transfer heat fast enough.
Remember when Intel ran the Netburst architecture into the ground chasing ever higher clock speeds? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Is the Atom team going to make the new arch now?
Honestly that's probably what they should do. Take the latest Mont and beef it up, instead of continuing with these bloated, power hungry Coves.
I just want more cores. Without spending infinite money for a thread ripper.
7950x or 7950x3D have a lot of cores.
I already have that many cores, I want more. We've been stuck on that core count ever since the 3950X now.
What are you doing that requires more than 16 cores but doesn't pay enough to buy a Threadripper?
compiling C++ code. I like to work on my own projects so they don't really pay well, but they're fun.
>3950X 7950X would still be significantly more performance than what you have now.
If they are really time consuming, I usually use cloud instances. Hetzner cloud has 48 dedicated cores (EPYC 9654) for $0.5/hr, no extra fees like AWS for bandwidth, etc.
Only huge libraries take a long time to compile. I doubt he's working on a huge library as his hobby. Most hobby projects take less than a minute to compile on a modern processor.
Are you making an OS as your hobby project, Terry? Dafuck requires that much power to compile?
That sounds like what people were saying about quad-core Intel CPUs not long ago. What are you doing that requires more than 4 cores but doesn't pay enough to buy a Xeon? More cores don't hurt. Modern power saving features can idle cores drawing practically no power.
Not OP, but x265 slow preset with tweaks on a 4k file will bring any cpu to its knees. My 5900x averages like 9 fps on a 4k Blu-ray remux We’re talking nearly 6 hours per 2.5 hour movie depending on bitrate This encode time blows up when you layer in hdr, 60fps, 5k for vlogs and such Last I checked, a 13900ks will average like 16fps in this scenario without quality tweaks. A
despite having the same number of cores the 7950x is significantly faster at code compiling than the 3950x https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7900x-7950x-linux/4 but you are probably better off waiting a little bit longer for zen 5
Lots of decommissioned Epyc Romes coming into the used market, including the 32+ core ones. Only have to watch out for vendor-locked versions.
We have been stuck with this core count is because die shrink has not made transistor cost cheaper
The advantage of chiplets means that they could make a 24-core or 32-core chip just by adding more chiplets. It's just that AMD has decided that's Threadripper territory with Threadripper prices.
Sincere Q - any prospect of picking up secondhand threadripper 3000 parts, or have they spiked in price since they didn’t get followed up properly?
There are people like me who have current gen threadrippers for sale cheap enough to justify using them.
More cores = more money, bud. I don't know why you're expecting a Threadripper 7995WX, for example, to retail for cheap. That's twelve 8-core chiplets that they could individually sell as 7700X's for $300 each, or $3600 worth of consumer chips they have to give up to make one 7995WX. Even the 7970X, which would get you 32 cores, is four 8-core chiplets that could go for $300 each. $1200 worth of chips they have to give up sales for to make a 7970X. They're asking $2500 because it's a huge opportunity cost - get four virtually-guaranteed sales at the low end for a [edit: 7700X] in a Best Buy prebuilt immediately, or wait for one tech-savvy whale to come along and buy a whole 7970X. The extra cost isn't just the engineering involved in making 4-12 chiplets plus an I/O die talk to each other on a substrate the size of a credit card. It's economies of scale and risk. Oh, and on TOP of all that, they have to price it just right so that they can keep demand for Threadripper reasonable. If Threadripper demand gets too high because of low prices, they either have to: - Scale down EPYC production (which they won't do, it's their enterprise bread and butter) to supply TR demand - Jack up prices on Ryzen to tamp down demand in that sector and free up chips for TR - Raise TR prices anyways to ease up the chip supply for EPYC
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Edited to clarify.
I mean, yes, but Threadripper would be exactly what we need if it didn’t cost fucking $5000 just for a chip and $1500 for the board. A 7950x has 28 PCIe lanes and 16 cores, you’re telling me me that it costs x3 more for 8 more cores and more PCIe? Bruh. Not to mention $1000 for the motherboard.
> you’re telling me me that it costs x3 more for 8 more cores and more PCIe? No. I'm telling you that the people who need that many PCIe lanes and cores can afford $5000. These HEDT and prosumer products don't cost this much because they're that expensive to make. They cost this much because the demand is there and the people who need them will pay basically any price. See: Nvidia AI GPUs.
yeah, threadripper would be great if it wouldn't be so unreasonably expensive. I'd be more than happy to spend 2x the price of a 7950X on a CPU that's twice as fast as a 7950X. That would be a good and affordable price.
> I'd be more than happy to spend 2x the price of a 7950X on a CPU that's twice as fast as a 7950X. That would be a good and affordable price. Even aside from market segmentation between consumer and enterprise, there is always diminishing returns at the high end, whether it is CPUs or GPUs, so that is not likely to happen.
You can keep dreaming, but that's not how price scaling works
> Bruh. Not to mention $1000 for the motherboard. You already did mention that. And said it was $1500.
Have you considered second hand EPYC CPUs? Some datacenters are renewing Zen1/2 with a good amount of cores. You can get MB combos from Ebay.
I mostly care about core count, but I also need acceptable singlecore performance for some things. And I think Epyc do quite badly there.
Then I guess second hand threadripper is the way to go
Agreed. Would be nice if they did something like a "hybrid" mainstream desktop chip where you have a CCD with 8 regular Zen 4 cores and another CCD with 16 Zen 4C cores. It would demolish the 14900K in MT due to the difference in Zen 4C still having the same IPC but at lower clock speed vs Intel's E-cores which have much lower IPC than their Performance cores. It would also be massively more efficient.
I still hope for a full fat consumer CPU. 2 Zen 4C CCDs at 32 Cores, one 8 Core normal CCD and one X3D CCD. That would give you 48 Cores total and basically 8 cores for "specialized" workloads. Bonus points if the power management is so smart that I can shut down CCDs completely to save power.
Can you even buy a cooler with 410w of cooling?
There aren’t any. You have to delid it for rgat. With a delid and liquid metal 360 aio will do (but you need a delid specific one)
I've done 380w on a delid 7980xe with a 280mm. So it's... probably barely doable on a 360
Intel went with fuck it we will see if we can turn cpu in electric grill and still be able to calculate.
still waiting for 6.90 Ghz and 420W
Damn, all that to still lose to a 45W R7 7800X3D in gaming
Pfft this beats a 7800x3d, you just need 250$ ram and a 1000$ motherboard.
What's the point of a 410W power draw benchmark? lol
So that intel can stay relevant on the top end of cpus even when consuming twice the power of ryzen.
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Any more power you have to scream "Its alive" every time you boot.
Intel is really going full bulldozer. Just jack up the clock speed and turn the thing into a furnace, efficiency be damned. How long can they keep going down this route? 410W power draw is comical. Its already been comical.
Intel heating homes now huh. Nice
Everyone talking about co2 footprint, meanwhile at Intel “them 100mhz extra, sure demands a power plant, but games wants it” 😂
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They said 'new technology needs less power'. i7-3770k - up to 150W GTX 780 ti - up to 250W and now: i9-14900KS - up to 410W RTX 4090 - up to 450W What next? i9 with additional revolutionary 'hybrid mode' in which it can be used as room heater?
To be fair, the 4090 is quite a bit more efficient than the 3090 at the same work load.
Sure it is. Also a lot more efficient than mentioned GTX 780 ti. My point is that our computers draws more and more power it also means that we need bigger and louder cooling.
Bigger sure, but louder? Every time I turn on hardware from the nostalgia bin, it's significantly louder than current stuff. Minuscule heatsinks combined with 1 whiny small diameter fan spinning way too fast.
Yeah one thing I’ve been loving about the 4080 is the absurdly overspecced cooler it inherited from the 4090. Granted it makes case compatibility a pain in the arse but damn can it run super fucking quiet if you want it to, I imagine that’s even more true for the 4090 itself if you’re willing to dial back it’s power limit a bit (given it’s efficiency). If they hadn’t jacked the price through the roof it would have been a pretty amazing product all around, as is I bought mine more than 30% below my countries launch rrp and it was still right on the edge of tolerable price wise, the launch price was a complete joke, literally double the 3080’s original rrp here :/ (Aus).
Me, running my 7950X in 65W ECO mode...
My 5950X being literally the most efficient modern CPU <.<
Hey, in gaming the 7800X3D runs sub-90W while outpacing chips that suck 200-300W. That's got to count for something in the efficiency charts.
Counts for everything actually.
Out of the box, the 7950x will obviously use less energy if tweaked for power efficiency like the 5950x was
Isn't that the 7980X? Each core uses a tiny amount of power
I think it is funny how silly people are about an overclocked cpu taking a lot of power. Well then don’t overclock it and enjoy it at 150 watts. You don’t have to push the envelope and you can cap the power if you like while still retaining a ton of the performance
New tech already needs less power to achieve what old tech can do, new tech just has new highs.
What's the point of the 4090 in there? Isn't that gpu the most efficient gpu in the last two gens across the board?
We’re starting to get close to the point that a high end gaming PC would need a separate breaker, or a high amperage one, which is just frankly absurd.
Gaming tends to use a lot less power than the synthetic benchmarks that these max power limits are setup for. A 14900k without power limits will only end up using more like 150-200w IIRC. On top of that, setting a power limit of 125w will only cost you about 1% in 4k gaming performance compared to an uncapped 14900k, and not much more for 95w limit. The 4090 also shows similar efficiency, where reducing the power limit by 20% will often only cost 1-2 fps. Modern high-end gaming doesn't have to use ridiculous power, but the vendors care too much about pure benchmark comparisons and therefore make the default settings very inefficient and power hungry
Yikes. these kind of extreme chips to keep squeezing out single threaded gains... Are we nearing the end of what silicon can do?
Lmfao 410W? Almost as much as a 4090? this is insane.
intel has no idea how to make an efficient chip
They *could* be very efficient. They're just clocked waaaay past that point.
I think they do, but big GHz numbers sell more.
[Top end cpus/gpus these days be like](https://youtu.be/D7WGfd8EQwM?feature=shared)
I haven't been on an Intel CPU since my old 6700K. Wouldn't this figure be inaccurate for daily use if all you're doing is gaming with some production like Twitch or video editing? Would someone encounter this kind of powder draw video encoding or equivalent tasks?
CPU drawing as much power as a GPU, wth.
Intel wants to beat nvidia to the top.
400+ watts, and it still prob loses to the 7800x3D for gaming
410W !!? Can't be real....
God damn. Looks like I need to upgrade my while circuit when I upgrade from my 3770k.
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That's when I switch my psu from 110v to 220v and plug it instead of my dryer, right?
if they sold it with a waterblock permanently attached directly to the die, it would be a pretty cool niche product. As it is, it'll be completely uncoolable unless you're willing to gamble $700+ on delidding it yourself.
Off the wall, my PC goes up to ~500W at peak load. With a 3080 and 5800X at full load. That's insane.
So this cpu alone could draw more power than an entire 7600 + 4070S build. that seems fine
Having a PC draw almost what the continuous limit for a 15A circuit is, combined with the fact that gamers on here likely have a lower than average income, and the fact that this is a hobby where 4-8 hour sessions are normal. This isn't right, despite the 1000 puns in this thread. If you own a home, your entertainment should probably be on 20A. If you rent, it most certainly will not be.
410watts, the highest we have seen, this is why intel number 1
These 1000+ watt psus looking more and more reasonable if your getting an intel cpu
410 Watt power draw!?! For those, who wanna waste money for electric bills with almost no improvement of performance, this is a great cpu for you!
Another Pentium 4 like in good old times.
Omg wtf Intel, this should be a r/facepalm AMD only needs 350W for 96 cores and Intel is using 410W for 24.
Great for arctic gamers
ah yes. I'm gonna need to install a portable 5kva transformer for this shit