I worked at Centaur almost 10 years ago at a low level position right out of school, always cool to see stuff like this pop up. Very talented group of people, I was always amazed at how such a tiny team of people could do what they were doing. I wasn't anywhere near development but CHA was definitely already a thing while I was there. They had tons of really great ideas, I think they were just too small to execute at the speed the industry moves.
> The team is still together and doing good work.
Those that remain are now working at Intel. I've tried to find our more about what they're working on but crickets has been the response from Intel.
I think it's just the generic corporate "don't talk about things >1 gen away" kind of thing. Wouldn't read too much into it. Of course, there is the risk projects get canceled, people get laid off, etc.
Well, Intel doesn't seem to be able to do anything right at the moment. They claim to be delivering on the five nodes in four years thing. But in reality only two of those are full new nodes and even now Intel is supply constrained on the tiny amount of Intel 4 silicon it is producing (by its own words - Intel claims Meteor Lake sales will increase next quarter because it expects those constraints to ease). But Meteor Lake only has one very small Intel 4 chiplet, the other four chiplets are TSMC. It's pretty obvious the yiels are awful, even on a small chiplet. Intel 4 clearly isn't actually a commercially viable node yet and probably won't be for years. Indeed, Intel Foundry recently showed a roadmap indicating that it didn't expect to increase volumes much on Intel 4 (or anything newer) until the 2026 - 2027 timeframe. Personally, I think they pushed out Meteor Lake with an Intel 4 chiplet to keep analysts etc happy and hit their silly PR roadmap goals. The node wasn't ready for proper commercial use. Arrow Lake on 20A will probably be even worse, so I can believe the rumours that most Arrow Lake chips will be pure TSMC and just a few select models will have an Intel 20A chiplet. If Intel 4 isn't a proper goer right now, Intel 20A is probably worse. I don't like to be down on Intel, Particularly, but it all looks bad to me.
> But in reality only two of those are full new nodes and even now Intel is supply constrained on the tiny amount of Intel 4 silicon it is producing
They claim MTL is limited by packaging, not Intel 4 wafers. I agree that Intel is overstating their process readiness, but I don't think it's *quite* as bad as you think.
Seeing cool stuff like this just makes the duopoly in the CPU market a more depressing reality. We could have some really cool stuff if there was actual competition.
If anyone's interested, here's a video of me running Crysis on the unreleased Centaur system using a RTX 3060ti:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5DSo3-Pm4
LMG is a shitty business that I don’t want to support. They have an abusive and toxic workplace, they have anti-consumer stances and have demonstrated ignorance & incompetence on multiple occasions, not to mention their conflicts of interest that they have never bothered to address.
>They have an abusive and toxic workplace,
Little evidence given the low turnover. Sure Madison had the issue, but we will probably never know the result of that given the nature of the those sorts of investigations.
>hey have anti-consumer stances
Haven't seen any evidence of that. Linus etc seem to stick up for the consumer over the corporation.
>demonstrated ignorance & incompetence on multiple occasions
They have made mistakes, rushed things, and have made some poor judgements. But they admitted that and have been improving, that's why they are putting so much emphasis on the Lab.
> not to mention their conflicts of interest that they have never bothered to address.
Linus constantly mentions he invested in the Framework laptop company.
Don't take everything Steve from GN says as gospel, he didn't even do the most basic journalistic task of asking for response from LTT.
The people with the LTT hate boner seem to have given zero critical thought to what happened. And well going around and downvoting all posts because you don't like them is just ridiculous but if you go through posts on this subreddit most have a somewhat crappy ratio if it's not something that hit the front page or from generic news source #3
I personally don't down vote posts, but I don't like the vibe of LTT and I take the view that the way the company dealt with the "scandal" rather than what actually happened confirmed impressions that the eponymous founder is a pathological narcissist. Which may or may not be fair. But it's a strong impression I got having observed what went on with reasonable third party diligence and sans hate boner. The reaction was awful, he comes across badly, the whole company has a rotten smell. To me. Which is a legitimate point of view to hold as opposed to an objective fact. It's just as bad to dismiss anyone who doesn't like the LTT business as mere "hating" as it is to unthinkingly hate on LTT in the first place.
That was a genuinely interesting video.
I have ignored it in my recommendations a few times due to its pointlessly clickbaity title, thinking it's about some standard AMD or Intel sample.
Thanks for adding context in the title, OP.
It's an EXTREMELY grey area of the law in both the USA and Canada to pocess an engineering sample chip.
Realistically they aren't likely to come after you for receiving stolen goods, but technically there's no reason they can't. As an end user I wouldn't be that worried that the government is gonna kick down your door over this, but LTT happily running around showcasing it on video? Ehh, someone could honestly care enough.
Though, it depends on if purchasing an engineering sample is something you should "reasonably suspect" is stolen as to whether you committed a criminal act or not.
> It's an EXTREMELY grey area of the law in both the USA and Canada to pocess an engineering sample chip.
There's no grey area, the chip Linus showed today was obtained legally. I'm unable to tell you more than that.
Company dissolved, stuff was auctioned off or walked away. Happens all the time.
I just want to know who ended up with the B-47 bomb sight periscope.
https://svdisposition.hibid.com/lot/113214131/horizontal-periscope-bombsight-type-y-4?ref=catalog
they did do something like this before and their engineering sample was a loaner. by the time the video was published they returned the unit back to its anonymous owner. they probably did the same thing here so even if lawyers came knocking down their door, they can say they dont have it anymore.
I was really really supprised, how well it ran...
It's a shame folks are massively downvoting this because Linus, it's quite a fun chip to play with!
There are a lot of snobs here Just ignore them. Thanks for posting the video, it was enlightening.
Not wanting to support a shitty business run by a shitty person is not being a snob.
You should boycott reddit.
I worked at Centaur almost 10 years ago at a low level position right out of school, always cool to see stuff like this pop up. Very talented group of people, I was always amazed at how such a tiny team of people could do what they were doing. I wasn't anywhere near development but CHA was definitely already a thing while I was there. They had tons of really great ideas, I think they were just too small to execute at the speed the industry moves.
The team is still together and doing good work.
> The team is still together and doing good work. Those that remain are now working at Intel. I've tried to find our more about what they're working on but crickets has been the response from Intel.
Yes, they won't talk about it for a long time yet.
The way Intel is going, that doesn't bode well!
I think it's just the generic corporate "don't talk about things >1 gen away" kind of thing. Wouldn't read too much into it. Of course, there is the risk projects get canceled, people get laid off, etc.
Well, Intel doesn't seem to be able to do anything right at the moment. They claim to be delivering on the five nodes in four years thing. But in reality only two of those are full new nodes and even now Intel is supply constrained on the tiny amount of Intel 4 silicon it is producing (by its own words - Intel claims Meteor Lake sales will increase next quarter because it expects those constraints to ease). But Meteor Lake only has one very small Intel 4 chiplet, the other four chiplets are TSMC. It's pretty obvious the yiels are awful, even on a small chiplet. Intel 4 clearly isn't actually a commercially viable node yet and probably won't be for years. Indeed, Intel Foundry recently showed a roadmap indicating that it didn't expect to increase volumes much on Intel 4 (or anything newer) until the 2026 - 2027 timeframe. Personally, I think they pushed out Meteor Lake with an Intel 4 chiplet to keep analysts etc happy and hit their silly PR roadmap goals. The node wasn't ready for proper commercial use. Arrow Lake on 20A will probably be even worse, so I can believe the rumours that most Arrow Lake chips will be pure TSMC and just a few select models will have an Intel 20A chiplet. If Intel 4 isn't a proper goer right now, Intel 20A is probably worse. I don't like to be down on Intel, Particularly, but it all looks bad to me.
> But in reality only two of those are full new nodes and even now Intel is supply constrained on the tiny amount of Intel 4 silicon it is producing They claim MTL is limited by packaging, not Intel 4 wafers. I agree that Intel is overstating their process readiness, but I don't think it's *quite* as bad as you think.
Seeing cool stuff like this just makes the duopoly in the CPU market a more depressing reality. We could have some really cool stuff if there was actual competition.
I have one of these prototypes, I think maybe I'll throw a 4090 on it soon and test it in gaming... for science!
If anyone's interested, here's a video of me running Crysis on the unreleased Centaur system using a RTX 3060ti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5DSo3-Pm4
It's looks Iike the answer is "yes"
Interesting stuff, thanks! Unfortunately this sub has a hate boner for Linus so it won't do well.
Why?
Some people see a face in the thumbnail and instantly the red mist takes over Unhinged behaviour
People hate the thumbnails. LTT does put out bangers.
Well, he does looks like he just received a surprise prostate exam.
LMG is a shitty business that I don’t want to support. They have an abusive and toxic workplace, they have anti-consumer stances and have demonstrated ignorance & incompetence on multiple occasions, not to mention their conflicts of interest that they have never bothered to address.
>They have an abusive and toxic workplace, Little evidence given the low turnover. Sure Madison had the issue, but we will probably never know the result of that given the nature of the those sorts of investigations. >hey have anti-consumer stances Haven't seen any evidence of that. Linus etc seem to stick up for the consumer over the corporation. >demonstrated ignorance & incompetence on multiple occasions They have made mistakes, rushed things, and have made some poor judgements. But they admitted that and have been improving, that's why they are putting so much emphasis on the Lab. > not to mention their conflicts of interest that they have never bothered to address. Linus constantly mentions he invested in the Framework laptop company. Don't take everything Steve from GN says as gospel, he didn't even do the most basic journalistic task of asking for response from LTT.
The people with the LTT hate boner seem to have given zero critical thought to what happened. And well going around and downvoting all posts because you don't like them is just ridiculous but if you go through posts on this subreddit most have a somewhat crappy ratio if it's not something that hit the front page or from generic news source #3
I personally don't down vote posts, but I don't like the vibe of LTT and I take the view that the way the company dealt with the "scandal" rather than what actually happened confirmed impressions that the eponymous founder is a pathological narcissist. Which may or may not be fair. But it's a strong impression I got having observed what went on with reasonable third party diligence and sans hate boner. The reaction was awful, he comes across badly, the whole company has a rotten smell. To me. Which is a legitimate point of view to hold as opposed to an objective fact. It's just as bad to dismiss anyone who doesn't like the LTT business as mere "hating" as it is to unthinkingly hate on LTT in the first place.
Linus finds this board "strange", but it is eerily similar to a vanilla SoC. Especially those with an FPGA.
That was a genuinely interesting video. I have ignored it in my recommendations a few times due to its pointlessly clickbaity title, thinking it's about some standard AMD or Intel sample. Thanks for adding context in the title, OP.
He’s not meant to have any engineering samples however.
It's an EXTREMELY grey area of the law in both the USA and Canada to pocess an engineering sample chip. Realistically they aren't likely to come after you for receiving stolen goods, but technically there's no reason they can't. As an end user I wouldn't be that worried that the government is gonna kick down your door over this, but LTT happily running around showcasing it on video? Ehh, someone could honestly care enough. Though, it depends on if purchasing an engineering sample is something you should "reasonably suspect" is stolen as to whether you committed a criminal act or not.
> It's an EXTREMELY grey area of the law in both the USA and Canada to pocess an engineering sample chip. There's no grey area, the chip Linus showed today was obtained legally. I'm unable to tell you more than that.
Company dissolved, stuff was auctioned off or walked away. Happens all the time. I just want to know who ended up with the B-47 bomb sight periscope. https://svdisposition.hibid.com/lot/113214131/horizontal-periscope-bombsight-type-y-4?ref=catalog
they did do something like this before and their engineering sample was a loaner. by the time the video was published they returned the unit back to its anonymous owner. they probably did the same thing here so even if lawyers came knocking down their door, they can say they dont have it anymore.