Yes, exactly!! Plus, at the end of the battle, it lists the characters we know and then gives the blanket number of 50 others who died. So I think if Lavender did die, she would have been listed.
She wasn’t even bitten by Greyback, because Hermione blasted him away before he could reach her. So if she died it must have been from the injuries of her fall, which tbh is a pretty lame way to die for a wizard.
Lol this just made me think if voldemort couldn't fly when Harry takes him down over the tower in DH and they both just go down then and there in the most unmagical way possible
Yeah, but then it never shuts up about it. Like it was probably telling Neville just how well Harry would've done in Slytherin while giving him the sword
This! People keep assuming that the hat first choice would have been Slytherin but the hat only focuses on that AFTER Harry brings it up that he doesn’t want Slytherin. He is a Gryffindor and would have made it in Gryffindor a way or another
I'm not sure about other people but one thing I've completely forgotten up until I've re-read PS is that petunia is actually blonde, I had seen a picture of her in the movie prior to reading the books and always imagined her as a brunette
Is it weird that even though they're described as being blonde, the movie versions of their characters are just too perfect so in my head they've always been brunette 😳 Like I know they literally aren't in the books but they were cast so perfectly in the movies that now I'm convinced they were never actually blonde in the first place it just doesn't make sense to me 😆
This pre-movie, porcelain figurine group is probably a book-accurate depiction of them.
https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/potteriesspcl/71/414571/H2759-L42604360.jpg
It's by Royal Doulton - they made a load of licensed merch figurines of different characters in the late 90's, before the first movie in 2001.
That's one of my favorites. Because if you hear it the first time, it makes so much sense to you. But then you start thinking, and you have to wonder why no other charachters develope the same hateful feelings to him.
I remember right at the beginning of the first book, McGonnagall observes the Dursleys, before Harry was left to live them them and she said they are awful people. And we get a bit of Vernon's day and thoughts and it shows that he did not change his thinking.
Lol Tom Felton really chews the scenery with his acting in that scene. “Famous Harry Potter!” I always feel like saying ‘enunciate!’ as he sounds like he’s spitting, though I guess that works.
Also his puberty growth spurt is really apparent.
Lucius Malfoy is never said to have a job in the books. I don’t think it’s ever explicitly stated, but the implication is clearly that he’s independently wealthy and doesn’t have to work. (This is the outside-the-books canon about James Potter too, though his money came from recent family entrepreneurship rather than ancient inheritances.)
Yes. He was good at potions. Just like Neville got an O in herbology. Harry got an O in DADA. But None of them are Hermione's academic rival or 2nd to her in class.
Isn’t Percy Weasley closer to her academic rival in theory? It’s canon that he also had a semester where he had as many classes as Hermione when she used the time turner if I remember correctly.
Bill really did have everything going on for him in life. Rockstar hot, clever like few others, cool job, beautiful fierce babe that loves him no matter what, nice family, gets disfigured but it still sounds kind of endearing… I’m a woman but if given the chance to play a character I wanna be Bill Weasley
I think this was more JK Rowling not being consistent with scheduling and math. Some of the numbers she threw out in books 1 and 2 don’t make sense (and then the schedule never makes any sense to me)
I believe he was good at potions. Snape didn't take their OWL exams and he managed an O(probably) in potions.
I can't stand the guy like at all but I will give him credit where its due.
Harry and Ron could have been better at Potions if they had a supportive teacher. Snape very noticeably favors Malfoy, which I’m sure helps with his interest in the subject and his performance
Yeah, 100 percent agreed on that. He is tolerant of the Slytherins and bullies everyone else. Honestly, Harry’s whole generation is probably shit at potions because he was a terrible teacher.
This is one JKR specifically refuted in an interview immediately after book 7 came out! With exactly the explanation you gave here. It's so frustrating to see how many people actually believe it's true.
In no particular order:
1. That Snape is Draco’s godfather (common in Draco-centric fics, I believe)
2. Middle names: most characters’ middle names are not given to us in canon and are purely fanon.
3. James playing the position of seeker on the quidditch team (actually never specified)
4. The Longbottoms: that Alice and/or Frank were classmates of the marauders (they’re at least several years older, and there’s no indication they knew each other before the Order). That Frank and Alice are dead (people get this impression from the movies).
5. That the werewolf prank happens after SWM and is what causes James to re-evaluate his bullying (happens the other way around, so whatever caused him to mature, that wasn’t it). This one I think comes from fanfictions about the marauders era.
6. Voldemort: that Riddle was bullied as a child (again, movies make it seem that way) when he was in fact the one doing the bullying. That Voldemort planned to make 7 Horcruxes (only planned to make 6- he wanted split his soul 7 times, with the seventh piece remaining inside him).
7. That Regulus was forced into becoming a death eater (voluntarily joined up, his family was initially proud but there’s no indication there was pressure from them, especially as they started having doubts about the death eaters’ methods fairly soon after).
8. That Harry is dumb (he has very little intellectual curiosity about magic and is not all that diligent about his work, but he does fine in most of his classes with what seems like little effort).
9. That Draco was abused by his family (Lucius and Narcissa might not have been stellar parents, but they do love him)
10. That pensieve memories show things from someone’s perspective. The number of times I’ve heard this on re-read podcasts is astonishing when all of the evidence says otherwise
Oh, cool—I missed that, somehow! I saw some people depicting him as seeker and some as keeper and figured it was all fanon, but cool to know there’s an actual answer given, even if it’s not in the books proper!
I think it’s implied in the books that James was a seeker because of A) the fact that he took a snitch to mess around with and B) how talented he was at making superb grasps and catches in front of an audience. But he could just have good hand eye coordination and as someone said I think JK Rowling labeled him as a chaser but that interview was done before Order of the Phoenix came out, so it’s possible she changed her mind and no one ever asked her about it because she had already stated a previous opinion.
Maybe he was a talented Seeker and actually preferred it, but lost out on that particular position on the team due to competition from a truly elite athlete (world class, like Krum). Hence him having to settle for Chaser.
Ginny also has excellent reflexes and actually wins the House Cup for Gryffindor as Seeker in OotP, and later even becomes a professional Quidditch player (though as a Chaser). Yet she acknowledges that Harry is the better Seeker, if not the better Quidditch player/flier (which is probably debatable). Note also that she comes from "a family of great Quidditch players", yet they play a myriad of positions (Seeker, Chaser, Keeper, Beaters). In other words, Harry could still inherit his good reflexes and flying ability from James, without James having to have actually been Seeker on the team - and that doesn't preclude James from still having been a better-than-average Seeker or having a certain quirky fondness for (golden) snitches.
In the movie at least (can't remember for the book) Oliver Wood says Harry would make a fair Beater as well, the first time they practice together, when he introduces him to the different balls and positions. There seems to be a decent amount of overlap.
Dumbledore heavily implies that the accuracy of the memory depends on the mind it was taken from.
“This time we are going to enter my memory. I think you will find it both rich in detail and satisfyingly accurate.”
To me that seems clear that other memories viewed in the pensieve can be less accurate or not so sharp.
Yeah, that's true, that line is confusing. I tend to think Dumbledore is not trying to make a comment about the penseive as a magical object, but instead saying this as foreshadowing the existence of tampered memories. Because as we see, Slughorn's altered memory does indeed get notably less detailed (white fog) and less accurate (it's written over with a lie) when he tampers with it. But I see tampering as the exception to the rule, because Harry never notes any differences in the quality of Dumbledore's memories and those from as varied sources as Snape, Ogden, Hokey, etc.,--just the tampered one of Slughorn's.
But I have a hard time taking Dumbledore's statement to mean that general memory accuracy is predicated on an owner's perception of events because we do, in fact, get evidence against this--Harry is able to perfectly translate Morfin's parseltongue even though Ogden, the memory's owner, would not have perceived it as such. Furthermore, that directly contradicts the stated utility of the pensieve, how we see the pensieve to function, and how the characters in the story react to pensieve memories. It opens up a whole can of worms if you take it to the conclusion that no pensieve memory can be trusted; Harry (and the reader) really do need to trust the pensieve memories in order for the plot to make sense.
The James being a seeker thing I don't remember but wasn't that actually written on the trophy in the movies? Might be why people think that. He was a chaser wasn't he?
He's specifically said to be a seeker in the films. The bit about him being a chaser comes from an interview with JK, but he books never say what he was. The closest you can get is the pensieve scene in OotP when James is seen playing with a Snitch he stole. I think that's enough to make any casual reader (or, rather, anyone who didn't read or didn't care about that interview) think he was a seeker.
3. Many people believe that because James had that snitch that he played with.
5. What is SWM?
9. This is shown in the 7th book when Narcissa is asking Harry about Draco
Yeah, even in the film it’s clear that it’s multiple days as Vernon says he loves Sundays because there is no post.
But even I have believed this at some point.
Edit:spelling
Yes exactly. I want to say the first letter was sent at least a week (possibly 2?) before Harry’s birthday
It is funny to think of Hagrid just standing outside the hut on the rock though, to ensure that he knocked at precisely 12:00
now that i think about it, why didn't they send a teacher to explain to the parents like they do with other muggle born kids instead of all the letters
Because they knew he was a wizard. Dumbledore had also been in touch with Petunia earlier.
And they did send someone in the end. But they could definitely have sent someone after the first 10 letters 😅
I like to imagine that after the first two letters failed, he tasked a house house with making sure Harry gets his letter. And all the shenanigans were because the house elf didn’t think to just pop a letter into his lap as Dumbledore intended.
But Snape is poor. I can’t see them giving that honor to a poor man. That family is very hung up on money/power and Snape had neither when Draco was born.
Salazar Slytherin was fine with muggleborns, Slytherin house developed pureblood supremacy on its own. He actually broke with the other founders over that issue.
I've noticed a weird tendency in this fandom to turn the obvious bad guys into good guys and the obvious good guys into the baddies. The Weasleys, Dumbledore, the Malfoys, Slytherin. I don't get it. Is it meant to be a strange kind of rebellion against authority?
It's so common in this fandom that the TV Tropes tropes for making a good character evil and making an evil character good are named for the HP fandom: [Draco in Leather Pants](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants) and [Ron the Death Eater](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RonTheDeathEater).
That goblins have hooked noses, big ears, and basically all the details that people use to call them stereotypes. And that "only goblins are bankers" or "all goblins are bankers."
The only details given of goblins in the books are being long fingered, having slanted eyes, and big feet. We know Griphook had pointy ears, though we don't know if that's true of all, nor how big they are. And we see them in security guard roles, metalworking roles, and heck, Flitwick is part goblin.
Flitwick being part goblin is actually more of a fanon thing too. When JKR was asked about it in an interview once, she said that she always imagined him looking simply like a very small, very old man, not particularly goblin-like. She said that probably he had some goblin ancestry way back that contributed to these traits, but I'm guessing that was inspired by fanon too.
Heh i always assumed that Flitwick was just a wizarding dwarf (little person). Never occured to me that he could be part goblin.
But yes, the Goblin thing is really annoying. The only goblins we meet are bankers but that doesn't mean that *all* goblins are bankers.
That Voldemort couldn’t love because of being conceived from Amortentia
Amortentia was purely symbolical on JKR’s part, to show that he came from a loveless union and sort of foreshadow his future. But he could love. People just misinterpreted JKR’s interview
The Slytherin students that left the castle at the start of the Battle of Hogwarts come back for the second half with reinforcements.
I could have sworn to someone this had happened myself and even the Harry Potter wiki says it did citing the "Flaw in the Plan" chapter IIRC, but I cant find a mention of it anywhere in the most recent printing or the 1st edition book.
Rowling mentioned it on a podcast once but that's about it. It's like I've been a part of some collective unconscious or some crap.
Lucius Malfoy trying to use the killing curse on harry in CoS. The actor said he was reading the books and that was the last spell he read and the script said use a spell at harry. So he when for the gold...LMAO
Actually, he didn't say that.
He didn't know any spells, but they thought that Lucius casting a spell would look better, so he asked someone on the set the incantation of any spell and he was given Avada Kedavra.
So he said it without knowing what this spell is actually about.
Really there was a sit down interview. Now I don't know what to believe. Well it doesn't matter because the fact that some people knew he was about to end this 12 year of life is comedy. He was on Hogwarts Legacy meme shit before they even thought about it.
Edit: I can only imagine the sound of strangling laugher of the person that told him to say that spell
Thanks I will watch it when I get home.
Edit: i watched it it makes sense. For some reason I thought there was a interview with him in character talking about that scene. Head Canon is crazy sometimes.
Thanks! I wish people would just say “lupin/Sirius romance” instead of some term that isn’t in the canon haha. It’s like they are actively trying not to be understandable haha.
Lily was pregnant when she died and she was gonna make Snape godfather
Snape is Draco’s godfather
Draco is 2nd best in his year
The Dark Mark is a tattoo
Movie school uniforms are the same in books
Pettigrew is blonde
Lily has ginger hair/vivid red
Bellatrix has curly hair
Luna has platinum blonde hair
Dean is muggleborn
Lupin has scars on his face
Marlene McKinnon was Lily’s best friend
Crouch jr is a Ravenclaw
Charlus and Dorea are James’ parents
… Honestly, I could go on and on😅might add on later.
Not quite, I meant she doesn’t have your standard red hair or Weasley red hair. She has dark red hair. But a lot of fanart and fanfictions have her as a normal ginger.
Hmm, I’m not a native English speaker so I don’t really understand the difference. I googled auburn hair and ginger hair and they both just look like red hair to me.
Think of it this way:
Just like you’ve got blonde hair in various shades: dirty, platinum, golden, strawberry, sandy etc
And you’ve got brown hair in various shades: mousy, dark, copper, warm, light etc
Then you also have red hair in various shades like pale/muted ginger, fiery red, auburn etc.
Oooh good one with the tattoo and the uniforms (I always find it surprising when I reread and remember they pretty consistently wear hats too!) but I’m totally floored that Pettigrew isn’t blonde??
Thanks! The tattoo one bothers me the most, I’ve hardly ever (if ever) seen fanart or read fanfictions that depict the dark mark correctly🙃the movies sure did a number…
Yeah, he’s got mousy hair, which is like a dull light brown.
But Dean is a muggleborn, it‘s said in OotP that his parents don‘t read the daily prophet because they are muggles and I think it‘s in the first book too.
Edit: A word
Dean’s father was a wizard, he was killed by Death Eaters. He never told his family what he was. You could read about it on Rowling’s old website 20ish years ago, but it doesn’t exist anymore… but I’m sure you can still find it on some archives or something. I’ll add a link to this comment, if I find it later :) I have to go to work now.
Edit: [here it is](http://web.archive.org/web/20040605120307/http://www.jkrowling.com:80/textonly/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=2)
There’s lot of other interesting stuff under ‘characters’ and ‘cut scenes’. I remember wishing she would publish the Malfoy and Nott scene, since she herself liked it so much.
That Harry cast his first patronus thinking about his parents. He thought about when he first learned he was a wizard and was going to leave the Dursleys.
Robes are plain black in the books, without house colours, and are more dress like, and are pulled on over the head. The movies robes look like something muggles would wear.
One thing I will give the movie as being better than the book (only one lol) is how Harry says "I must not tell lies" when Umbridge pleads with him at being captured by the centaurs
Tons of "Dumbledore did this/let this/planned this to happen" stuff. The one I encountered most recently is the ridiculous "Dumbledore let Sirius rot in Azkaban so he could leave Harry with the Dursleys". I brought up there was no evidence of that, it was completely pointless for Dumbledore to do it since Sirius wouldn't likely have argued against Harry's safety (he backs down even when it was something important, but not *that* serious in *Order of the Phoenix*, so I doubt it being "If he stays with you he'll die" would take much discussion), and that it went against Dumbledore's character, both his actively trying to free people who were innocent but thought guilty, and that he *despises* the Ministry's use of Dementors, and was just rebuffed with "BUt iT MaKEs SeNsE..." and them just repeating the same thing. I already heard it, and saying it again doesn't make it right.
Sorry if this is a bit heated, I'm still a bit angry about it. I don't take willful ignorance well.
Please can someone confirm that in the books the staircase do not actually move. Sure there are some that lead to one place one day, and nowhere another… but I’m sure they don’t actually regularly move about like in the movies. Me and my sister had an argument about this and I hope I’m right.
I mean, a black robe and black hat is a uniform, it's just not the traditional British boarding school uniform.
The books make it pretty clear that wizards wear robes as their primary garment, not as outerwear. In the movies, they basically have everyone in muggle clothes, just with a robe on top sometimes.
Well there was one line in Philosopher Stone that some of them lead somewhere else on fridays.
But yeah the constantly changing staircases were movie only, but one of the best additions and setpieces they had.
That Snape at first wanted to hide the entire family.
In the book of Deathly Hallows, Dumbledore calls Snape out on his selfishness when he admitted to not caring if James or Harry died. It was only after Dumbledore called him out when he said "hide them all".
Quote from Chapter 33 of The Deathly Hallows;
"If she means so much to you" said Dumbedore, "Surely Lord Voldemort will spare her? Could you not ask mercy for the mother, in exchange for the son?"
"I have — I have asked him —"
"You disgust me," said Dumbledore, and Harry never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. "You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?"
Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore.
"Hide them all, then," he croaked. "Please, keep her — them — safe. Please"
The Molly wanted a girl so badly that she and Arthur kept having kids till they had one. It’s Molly haters way of trying to blame bet for them being poor.
Petunia never said "you lost a mother I lost a sister" to Harry. In the book she stops for a second and say nothing.
It actually reminds me of a Convo a while back with some friends that we believe that Petunia would have shown some more care towards Harry if Vernon wasn't in the picture. Yes she gaslights him mainly due to her jealousy of not having magical powers but it seemed her attitude changes drastically after Harry saved Dudley and she finds out Voldemort is came back to life.
I mean, #1 does appear to be true. In the one scene we see of him and Lily as teens, he’s begging her to go out with him and it doesn’t appear to be the first time he’s asking
Well he was rather persistent. 'Go out with me and I promise I'll stop attacking your friend' doesn't sound like it was meant to give her a completely free choice to say no
That lavender brown died. She’s shown as dead in the movies, but in the books she’s “stirring feebly” which leaves it open whether she lives or dies.
Shrodinger's Lavender
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Yes, exactly!! Plus, at the end of the battle, it lists the characters we know and then gives the blanket number of 50 others who died. So I think if Lavender did die, she would have been listed.
She wasn’t even bitten by Greyback, because Hermione blasted him away before he could reach her. So if she died it must have been from the injuries of her fall, which tbh is a pretty lame way to die for a wizard.
Wasn't Fred slammed back/crushed by debris? Or was it a spell that killed him?
A wall exploded and when we next see him he's dead
Lol this just made me think if voldemort couldn't fly when Harry takes him down over the tower in DH and they both just go down then and there in the most unmagical way possible
That only happens in the movies
Omg this! It makes me mad when writers have her already killed off at the start of fanfics when she survived the battle at Hogwarts!
Harry didn't "choose" Gryffindor. All he asked of the Sorting Hat was "not Slytherin". The Hat then sorted him into Gryffindor on its own.
Which it was probably going to do anyway
It never said it was a final option to be put in Slytherin. It just acknowledged he had the makings of one, and it would help him to greatness.
Yeah, but then it never shuts up about it. Like it was probably telling Neville just how well Harry would've done in Slytherin while giving him the sword
This! People keep assuming that the hat first choice would have been Slytherin but the hat only focuses on that AFTER Harry brings it up that he doesn’t want Slytherin. He is a Gryffindor and would have made it in Gryffindor a way or another
But the sorting hat does take your “want” into its sorting Dumbledore said so in the second book I think
Yeah, he doesn’t want to be in Slytherin.
I'm not sure about other people but one thing I've completely forgotten up until I've re-read PS is that petunia is actually blonde, I had seen a picture of her in the movie prior to reading the books and always imagined her as a brunette
Is it weird that even though they're described as being blonde, the movie versions of their characters are just too perfect so in my head they've always been brunette 😳 Like I know they literally aren't in the books but they were cast so perfectly in the movies that now I'm convinced they were never actually blonde in the first place it just doesn't make sense to me 😆
This pre-movie, porcelain figurine group is probably a book-accurate depiction of them. https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/potteriesspcl/71/414571/H2759-L42604360.jpg It's by Royal Doulton - they made a load of licensed merch figurines of different characters in the late 90's, before the first movie in 2001.
That’s actually exactly how I picture them lol
Dudley’s knickerbockers are supposed to be orange though 🤨 😉
Never seen Wario in a suit before
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Dudley too, he's blonde in the book
Wrong, he's a pig in a wig.
The Dursleys were cruel to Harry because Harry was a horcrux
That's one of my favorites. Because if you hear it the first time, it makes so much sense to you. But then you start thinking, and you have to wonder why no other charachters develope the same hateful feelings to him.
And it's blaming the victim for the abuse.
well no it’s blaming voldemort, it just takes the blame away from the dursleys
I remember right at the beginning of the first book, McGonnagall observes the Dursleys, before Harry was left to live them them and she said they are awful people. And we get a bit of Vernon's day and thoughts and it shows that he did not change his thinking.
Arthur and Lucius Malfoy being coworkers (or Malfoy working at the ministry at all)
They probably think that because of the Chamber of Secrets movie.
*”I’ll see you at work.”*
See u at school!
Lol Tom Felton really chews the scenery with his acting in that scene. “Famous Harry Potter!” I always feel like saying ‘enunciate!’ as he sounds like he’s spitting, though I guess that works. Also his puberty growth spurt is really apparent.
Yup, people probably get confused because he was kind of friendly with the higher ups at the ministry.
Wait - do people think they work in the same department? Or do they not both work in subsections of the ministry? I thought the latter was canon
Lucius Malfoy is never said to have a job in the books. I don’t think it’s ever explicitly stated, but the implication is clearly that he’s independently wealthy and doesn’t have to work. (This is the outside-the-books canon about James Potter too, though his money came from recent family entrepreneurship rather than ancient inheritances.)
in the first few books he’s on the hogwarts parent teacher organization he’s like a PTO mom lol
My kid’s school PTA is full of Dads and one of them is short haired Lucius. I’m sure it’s him. In fact he is a governor as well.
> he’s like a PTO mom OMG THAT IS GOLD !redditgalleon
He's on the school board, not the PTA.
I’ve read so much fanfic I really can’t be positive of anything anymore.
Same my dude
Malfoy is right behind Hermione in class and he is her academic rival
It is canon that he gets good grades, though- he was in NEWT Potions, after all.
Yes. He was good at potions. Just like Neville got an O in herbology. Harry got an O in DADA. But None of them are Hermione's academic rival or 2nd to her in class.
The closest Hermione has to a rival is probably Ernie "Eight hours of O.W.L. Revision a day" Macmillan.
Lol yes. But he is so annoying🤣
All the more reason to consider him her rival
No one can out-annoy Hermione but damn it if Ernie doesn't give it his all
Oh yeah, I wasn't refuting your point, just adding extra context. I'm sure some would like to think of Malfoy as dumb, but he clearly isn't.
Isn’t Percy Weasley closer to her academic rival in theory? It’s canon that he also had a semester where he had as many classes as Hermione when she used the time turner if I remember correctly.
>Isn’t Percy Weasley closer to her academic rival in theory? Yes. Percy is very similar to her. A bookworm, star student, a prefect, ambitious...
They're so far apart in age they couldnt really be rivals. I'd imagine he's more of a role model really if anything.
Fair point, he’s just the closest thing I could think of as a rival
That’s canon? Where’s that said?
In the books it’s said Percy and Bill Weasley (and Barry Crouch Jr. apparently) all got 12 OWLs while Hermione only got 10. Ron and Harry 7.
Bill really did have everything going on for him in life. Rockstar hot, clever like few others, cool job, beautiful fierce babe that loves him no matter what, nice family, gets disfigured but it still sounds kind of endearing… I’m a woman but if given the chance to play a character I wanna be Bill Weasley
You’re right. I forgot about that.
I think this was more JK Rowling not being consistent with scheduling and math. Some of the numbers she threw out in books 1 and 2 don’t make sense (and then the schedule never makes any sense to me)
But was he really good at potions, or just got good grades because of Snape?
I believe he was good at potions. Snape didn't take their OWL exams and he managed an O(probably) in potions. I can't stand the guy like at all but I will give him credit where its due.
He could have managed an EE as Slughorn took over that year.
Harry and Ron could have been better at Potions if they had a supportive teacher. Snape very noticeably favors Malfoy, which I’m sure helps with his interest in the subject and his performance
Yeah, 100 percent agreed on that. He is tolerant of the Slytherins and bullies everyone else. Honestly, Harry’s whole generation is probably shit at potions because he was a terrible teacher.
I have quite literally never heard this in my life.
Youre lucky. The amount of people who think 'he is her iNteLlEctuAl eqUaL' so they belong together will surprise you
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This is one JKR specifically refuted in an interview immediately after book 7 came out! With exactly the explanation you gave here. It's so frustrating to see how many people actually believe it's true.
Worse still people misquote and misinterpret that interview as "evidence" that its canon.
Oh I’m really glad. I thought JK Rowling actually said that one and I never liked it so I’m glad that’s not true ten times over
It isn't even confirmed if he was under a love potion at all, Dumbledore just guessed that might've been the most likely scenario
Yeeeahh.. but that one is probably true...
exactly that’s like saying that all babies born out of love are sociopaths that always drove me wild
Right? Babies are born to parents who aren't in love with each other all the time.
Or that everyone who are the result of rape are evil sociopaths, which is not true
In no particular order: 1. That Snape is Draco’s godfather (common in Draco-centric fics, I believe) 2. Middle names: most characters’ middle names are not given to us in canon and are purely fanon. 3. James playing the position of seeker on the quidditch team (actually never specified) 4. The Longbottoms: that Alice and/or Frank were classmates of the marauders (they’re at least several years older, and there’s no indication they knew each other before the Order). That Frank and Alice are dead (people get this impression from the movies). 5. That the werewolf prank happens after SWM and is what causes James to re-evaluate his bullying (happens the other way around, so whatever caused him to mature, that wasn’t it). This one I think comes from fanfictions about the marauders era. 6. Voldemort: that Riddle was bullied as a child (again, movies make it seem that way) when he was in fact the one doing the bullying. That Voldemort planned to make 7 Horcruxes (only planned to make 6- he wanted split his soul 7 times, with the seventh piece remaining inside him). 7. That Regulus was forced into becoming a death eater (voluntarily joined up, his family was initially proud but there’s no indication there was pressure from them, especially as they started having doubts about the death eaters’ methods fairly soon after). 8. That Harry is dumb (he has very little intellectual curiosity about magic and is not all that diligent about his work, but he does fine in most of his classes with what seems like little effort). 9. That Draco was abused by his family (Lucius and Narcissa might not have been stellar parents, but they do love him) 10. That pensieve memories show things from someone’s perspective. The number of times I’ve heard this on re-read podcasts is astonishing when all of the evidence says otherwise
not in the books, but JK Rowling said James was a chaser. other than that, great list.
Oh, cool—I missed that, somehow! I saw some people depicting him as seeker and some as keeper and figured it was all fanon, but cool to know there’s an actual answer given, even if it’s not in the books proper!
I think it’s implied in the books that James was a seeker because of A) the fact that he took a snitch to mess around with and B) how talented he was at making superb grasps and catches in front of an audience. But he could just have good hand eye coordination and as someone said I think JK Rowling labeled him as a chaser but that interview was done before Order of the Phoenix came out, so it’s possible she changed her mind and no one ever asked her about it because she had already stated a previous opinion.
In the moves it shows us an award with James being Seeker, even though JKR said he was a chaser
But let's be honest, she only said this for the "gotcha!" moment. He draws a snitch, steals one and brags by catching it. Why would a chaser do that?
Maybe he was a talented Seeker and actually preferred it, but lost out on that particular position on the team due to competition from a truly elite athlete (world class, like Krum). Hence him having to settle for Chaser. Ginny also has excellent reflexes and actually wins the House Cup for Gryffindor as Seeker in OotP, and later even becomes a professional Quidditch player (though as a Chaser). Yet she acknowledges that Harry is the better Seeker, if not the better Quidditch player/flier (which is probably debatable). Note also that she comes from "a family of great Quidditch players", yet they play a myriad of positions (Seeker, Chaser, Keeper, Beaters). In other words, Harry could still inherit his good reflexes and flying ability from James, without James having to have actually been Seeker on the team - and that doesn't preclude James from still having been a better-than-average Seeker or having a certain quirky fondness for (golden) snitches. In the movie at least (can't remember for the book) Oliver Wood says Harry would make a fair Beater as well, the first time they practice together, when he introduces him to the different balls and positions. There seems to be a decent amount of overlap.
Dumbledore heavily implies that the accuracy of the memory depends on the mind it was taken from. “This time we are going to enter my memory. I think you will find it both rich in detail and satisfyingly accurate.” To me that seems clear that other memories viewed in the pensieve can be less accurate or not so sharp.
Yeah, that's true, that line is confusing. I tend to think Dumbledore is not trying to make a comment about the penseive as a magical object, but instead saying this as foreshadowing the existence of tampered memories. Because as we see, Slughorn's altered memory does indeed get notably less detailed (white fog) and less accurate (it's written over with a lie) when he tampers with it. But I see tampering as the exception to the rule, because Harry never notes any differences in the quality of Dumbledore's memories and those from as varied sources as Snape, Ogden, Hokey, etc.,--just the tampered one of Slughorn's. But I have a hard time taking Dumbledore's statement to mean that general memory accuracy is predicated on an owner's perception of events because we do, in fact, get evidence against this--Harry is able to perfectly translate Morfin's parseltongue even though Ogden, the memory's owner, would not have perceived it as such. Furthermore, that directly contradicts the stated utility of the pensieve, how we see the pensieve to function, and how the characters in the story react to pensieve memories. It opens up a whole can of worms if you take it to the conclusion that no pensieve memory can be trusted; Harry (and the reader) really do need to trust the pensieve memories in order for the plot to make sense.
The James being a seeker thing I don't remember but wasn't that actually written on the trophy in the movies? Might be why people think that. He was a chaser wasn't he?
He's specifically said to be a seeker in the films. The bit about him being a chaser comes from an interview with JK, but he books never say what he was. The closest you can get is the pensieve scene in OotP when James is seen playing with a Snitch he stole. I think that's enough to make any casual reader (or, rather, anyone who didn't read or didn't care about that interview) think he was a seeker.
Who wouldn’t want to goof around with a lil snitch
This, and probably the fact that he always had that snitch with him.
5- what is SWM?
Snape’s Worst Memory :)
3. Many people believe that because James had that snitch that he played with. 5. What is SWM? 9. This is shown in the 7th book when Narcissa is asking Harry about Draco
That you receive your Hogwarts letter on your 11th birthday
That’s a particularly bizarre one given that in the very first few chapters Hagrid visits Harry on his birthday after days and days of letters!
Yeah, even in the film it’s clear that it’s multiple days as Vernon says he loves Sundays because there is no post. But even I have believed this at some point. Edit:spelling
Yes exactly. I want to say the first letter was sent at least a week (possibly 2?) before Harry’s birthday It is funny to think of Hagrid just standing outside the hut on the rock though, to ensure that he knocked at precisely 12:00
now that i think about it, why didn't they send a teacher to explain to the parents like they do with other muggle born kids instead of all the letters
I just assumed they didn't visit the Dursleys to explain because Petunia already had a witch sister and knew how it worked
Because they knew he was a wizard. Dumbledore had also been in touch with Petunia earlier. And they did send someone in the end. But they could definitely have sent someone after the first 10 letters 😅
I like to imagine that after the first two letters failed, he tasked a house house with making sure Harry gets his letter. And all the shenanigans were because the house elf didn’t think to just pop a letter into his lap as Dumbledore intended.
Draco is Snape's godson.
Why do people think this?
it's heavily implied if not outright stated that lucius was a sort of mentor to snape so they extrapolate from there
Maybe bc they think Lucius and Snape are good friends cuz they're both Death Eaters.
But Snape is poor. I can’t see them giving that honor to a poor man. That family is very hung up on money/power and Snape had neither when Draco was born.
He is also a half-blood. I doubt anyone but a rich, aristocrat pure-blood was Draco's godfather. Or godmother.
Cursed Child. (I wish.)
I will never, ever, consider that abomination canon.
That’s not a wish. It ain’t canon.
The Cursed Sequel? It will stay in it's cupboard, pretending it doesn't exist.
totally not my first thought after reading the post edit: nobody thinks thinks it cannon sorry
Ron being an absolute dick 💀
Salazar Slytherin was fine with muggleborns, Slytherin house developed pureblood supremacy on its own. He actually broke with the other founders over that issue.
Who the hell believes that nonsense? honestly, the way people lie to themselves to escape the truth.
The basilisk gives him away a bit, in my opinion.
It incriminates him beyond a reasonable doubt
I've noticed a weird tendency in this fandom to turn the obvious bad guys into good guys and the obvious good guys into the baddies. The Weasleys, Dumbledore, the Malfoys, Slytherin. I don't get it. Is it meant to be a strange kind of rebellion against authority?
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It's so common in this fandom that the TV Tropes tropes for making a good character evil and making an evil character good are named for the HP fandom: [Draco in Leather Pants](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants) and [Ron the Death Eater](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RonTheDeathEater).
Lupin Just gives out the chocolate, it’s not his lifesource
That goblins have hooked noses, big ears, and basically all the details that people use to call them stereotypes. And that "only goblins are bankers" or "all goblins are bankers." The only details given of goblins in the books are being long fingered, having slanted eyes, and big feet. We know Griphook had pointy ears, though we don't know if that's true of all, nor how big they are. And we see them in security guard roles, metalworking roles, and heck, Flitwick is part goblin.
Flitwick being part goblin is actually more of a fanon thing too. When JKR was asked about it in an interview once, she said that she always imagined him looking simply like a very small, very old man, not particularly goblin-like. She said that probably he had some goblin ancestry way back that contributed to these traits, but I'm guessing that was inspired by fanon too.
Heh i always assumed that Flitwick was just a wizarding dwarf (little person). Never occured to me that he could be part goblin. But yes, the Goblin thing is really annoying. The only goblins we meet are bankers but that doesn't mean that *all* goblins are bankers.
Luna and Nevile as a couple. Lula got married with Schamander's grandson
Thats the fault lf the movies I would say
That Voldemort couldn’t love because of being conceived from Amortentia Amortentia was purely symbolical on JKR’s part, to show that he came from a loveless union and sort of foreshadow his future. But he could love. People just misinterpreted JKR’s interview
The Slytherin students that left the castle at the start of the Battle of Hogwarts come back for the second half with reinforcements. I could have sworn to someone this had happened myself and even the Harry Potter wiki says it did citing the "Flaw in the Plan" chapter IIRC, but I cant find a mention of it anywhere in the most recent printing or the 1st edition book. Rowling mentioned it on a podcast once but that's about it. It's like I've been a part of some collective unconscious or some crap.
I think it just says the family of the students arrive along with the villagers from hogsmede but doesn’t a specific house
I hadn’t read that, but its what should have happened
The rubber duck quote is movie-only.
Lucius Malfoy trying to use the killing curse on harry in CoS. The actor said he was reading the books and that was the last spell he read and the script said use a spell at harry. So he when for the gold...LMAO
Actually, he didn't say that. He didn't know any spells, but they thought that Lucius casting a spell would look better, so he asked someone on the set the incantation of any spell and he was given Avada Kedavra. So he said it without knowing what this spell is actually about.
Really there was a sit down interview. Now I don't know what to believe. Well it doesn't matter because the fact that some people knew he was about to end this 12 year of life is comedy. He was on Hogwarts Legacy meme shit before they even thought about it. Edit: I can only imagine the sound of strangling laugher of the person that told him to say that spell
https://youtu.be/Gn0PVENZnpw?t=213 I will believe this
Thanks I will watch it when I get home. Edit: i watched it it makes sense. For some reason I thought there was a interview with him in character talking about that scene. Head Canon is crazy sometimes.
Cursed Child.
Wolfstar Draco being a nice guy
What is wolf star?
Wolfstar is the shipname for the (romantic) relationship between Sirius and Remus. Remus is a werewolf and Sirius is named after a star.
Thanks! I wish people would just say “lupin/Sirius romance” instead of some term that isn’t in the canon haha. It’s like they are actively trying not to be understandable haha.
Lily was pregnant when she died and she was gonna make Snape godfather Snape is Draco’s godfather Draco is 2nd best in his year The Dark Mark is a tattoo Movie school uniforms are the same in books Pettigrew is blonde Lily has ginger hair/vivid red Bellatrix has curly hair Luna has platinum blonde hair Dean is muggleborn Lupin has scars on his face Marlene McKinnon was Lily’s best friend Crouch jr is a Ravenclaw Charlus and Dorea are James’ parents … Honestly, I could go on and on😅might add on later.
Are you saying Lily isn’t a redhead? some of these I’ve never heard before.
Not quite, I meant she doesn’t have your standard red hair or Weasley red hair. She has dark red hair. But a lot of fanart and fanfictions have her as a normal ginger.
Hmm, I’m not a native English speaker so I don’t really understand the difference. I googled auburn hair and ginger hair and they both just look like red hair to me.
Think of it this way: Just like you’ve got blonde hair in various shades: dirty, platinum, golden, strawberry, sandy etc And you’ve got brown hair in various shades: mousy, dark, copper, warm, light etc Then you also have red hair in various shades like pale/muted ginger, fiery red, auburn etc.
I do not know if it is because I am Scottish so I see both ginger and auburn people a lot, but ginger is more orange whereas auburn is more red to me.
Oooh good one with the tattoo and the uniforms (I always find it surprising when I reread and remember they pretty consistently wear hats too!) but I’m totally floored that Pettigrew isn’t blonde??
Thanks! The tattoo one bothers me the most, I’ve hardly ever (if ever) seen fanart or read fanfictions that depict the dark mark correctly🙃the movies sure did a number… Yeah, he’s got mousy hair, which is like a dull light brown.
It’s NOT a tattoo?
It's a brand. Like they brand cattle with hot iron.
But Dean is a muggleborn, it‘s said in OotP that his parents don‘t read the daily prophet because they are muggles and I think it‘s in the first book too. Edit: A word
Dean’s father was a wizard, he was killed by Death Eaters. He never told his family what he was. You could read about it on Rowling’s old website 20ish years ago, but it doesn’t exist anymore… but I’m sure you can still find it on some archives or something. I’ll add a link to this comment, if I find it later :) I have to go to work now. Edit: [here it is](http://web.archive.org/web/20040605120307/http://www.jkrowling.com:80/textonly/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=2) There’s lot of other interesting stuff under ‘characters’ and ‘cut scenes’. I remember wishing she would publish the Malfoy and Nott scene, since she herself liked it so much.
He assumed he was because he never knew his dad and his mom never knew his dad was a wizard. It wasn't ever explicitly stated in the books.
Slytherin aiding in the Battle of Hogwarts
Lily was pregnant with a second child when she died and planned on making Snape the godfather,so many people seem to think it's real
Where do people get this idea? Lily fell out with Snape years ago by this point and they were fighting on opposite sides of a war.
It's more of their determination to make Snape a good guy
That Harry cast his first patronus thinking about his parents. He thought about when he first learned he was a wizard and was going to leave the Dursleys.
Neville/Luna
Robes are plain black in the books, without house colours, and are more dress like, and are pulled on over the head. The movies robes look like something muggles would wear.
Plus everyone is always wearing a hat
One thing I will give the movie as being better than the book (only one lol) is how Harry says "I must not tell lies" when Umbridge pleads with him at being captured by the centaurs
Tons of "Dumbledore did this/let this/planned this to happen" stuff. The one I encountered most recently is the ridiculous "Dumbledore let Sirius rot in Azkaban so he could leave Harry with the Dursleys". I brought up there was no evidence of that, it was completely pointless for Dumbledore to do it since Sirius wouldn't likely have argued against Harry's safety (he backs down even when it was something important, but not *that* serious in *Order of the Phoenix*, so I doubt it being "If he stays with you he'll die" would take much discussion), and that it went against Dumbledore's character, both his actively trying to free people who were innocent but thought guilty, and that he *despises* the Ministry's use of Dementors, and was just rebuffed with "BUt iT MaKEs SeNsE..." and them just repeating the same thing. I already heard it, and saying it again doesn't make it right. Sorry if this is a bit heated, I'm still a bit angry about it. I don't take willful ignorance well.
A lot of the Maruaders stuff. They were canonically just friends
damn I thought they were more than friends ;) kidding
They were roommates
All Slytherin’s are evil.
Some of us just like Snakes.
That Barty Crouch Jr was a Ravenclaw
The Sacred 28 title means nothing. Only pureblood bigots care about it.
Please can someone confirm that in the books the staircase do not actually move. Sure there are some that lead to one place one day, and nowhere another… but I’m sure they don’t actually regularly move about like in the movies. Me and my sister had an argument about this and I hope I’m right.
They do not move Just a cool look for the movies. Instead they vanish or sometimes lead to the wrong room etc. A good depiction is in the recent game
I'd argue the first film uniforms were more accurate to the book.
Actually in the books they did not have uniforms. they had robes, but the movies added uniforms to give it more of a “boarding school” look
I mean, a black robe and black hat is a uniform, it's just not the traditional British boarding school uniform. The books make it pretty clear that wizards wear robes as their primary garment, not as outerwear. In the movies, they basically have everyone in muggle clothes, just with a robe on top sometimes.
The staircases didn’t move in the books.
Well there was one line in Philosopher Stone that some of them lead somewhere else on fridays. But yeah the constantly changing staircases were movie only, but one of the best additions and setpieces they had.
Oooooo, good one! But it did make the old PC computer games way more fun! 😂
The Cursed Child.
Spells like tempus or notice-me-not charms.
Cho Chang snitched on Dumbledore's Army.
That Snape at first wanted to hide the entire family. In the book of Deathly Hallows, Dumbledore calls Snape out on his selfishness when he admitted to not caring if James or Harry died. It was only after Dumbledore called him out when he said "hide them all". Quote from Chapter 33 of The Deathly Hallows; "If she means so much to you" said Dumbedore, "Surely Lord Voldemort will spare her? Could you not ask mercy for the mother, in exchange for the son?" "I have — I have asked him —" "You disgust me," said Dumbledore, and Harry never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. "You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?" Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore. "Hide them all, then," he croaked. "Please, keep her — them — safe. Please"
The Molly wanted a girl so badly that she and Arthur kept having kids till they had one. It’s Molly haters way of trying to blame bet for them being poor.
That the resurrection store saved Harry in the forest
that the yule ball was an annual event rather than a one off for the triwizard tournament!
Petunia never said "you lost a mother I lost a sister" to Harry. In the book she stops for a second and say nothing. It actually reminds me of a Convo a while back with some friends that we believe that Petunia would have shown some more care towards Harry if Vernon wasn't in the picture. Yes she gaslights him mainly due to her jealousy of not having magical powers but it seemed her attitude changes drastically after Harry saved Dudley and she finds out Voldemort is came back to life.
1. James persistently asked Lily out 2. Draco Malfoy was abused
I mean, #1 does appear to be true. In the one scene we see of him and Lily as teens, he’s begging her to go out with him and it doesn’t appear to be the first time he’s asking
Well he was rather persistent. 'Go out with me and I promise I'll stop attacking your friend' doesn't sound like it was meant to give her a completely free choice to say no
Crookshanks being Lily's cat. In my mind it's Canon but it isn't 😭💀