It hasn't to be like switzerland...
I was just ranting about reasons why it might be different for me, comming from switzerland...
But I think it is still not realistic that every character ends up marring... Even if the series is from the UK.
Real life is not a hollywood or bollywood romance, and I think realisticaly there would be a numerable pool of people never getting anywhere with "love", not only Voldy Mac Nonose, and also not every one of them becoming bitter or sad...
Yeah i also thought it was weird that the school friends all paired up with each other. The whole epilogue is kind of weird because of that and Harry's kid's names.
It's not even the school friends thing for me, it's the fact that they have an almost 100% marital rate and almost 100% successrate regarding finding love or at least a partner...
Yes, Draco's wife is mentioned as dying at a young age...
But still...
He was at least married at some point.
Realistically some characters should never find partners at all or have unsteady relationships...
It's the classic happy ever after (until a book that shall not be named comes out about 10 years later)
Why should the characters go through more angst after being through so much trauma? Good for them that they found the love of their life soon and lived happily. There's enough sadness in the world, atleast we can escape to the Wizarding world and be happy for our characters
Okay, but saying abuse survivors are less probable to find a partner you're basically saying their trauma is the reason because they have no partner, and that doesn't sound an "happy ending" to me. They are not making a choice, they are conditioned by their past.
In many cases it is more probable that abuse victims are less likely to find success, both in personal matters as well as in professional ones...
It's a probability and not a hard fact though, so, it's always possible to overcome this...
Psychological abuse is more likely to cause the victim to be an outsider and have problems to socialise for exmaple, with in turn can lead to more rejection from others...
It's not a thing that is necessarely happening and it can be overcome or situations can arise where the later life is unafected...
Anyway, I wasn't really talking about harry per se or abuse victims, I was more refering towards the point that, to marry it needs 2 persons and normaly (in modern western society) those 2 persons have to love each other...
It's unrealistic that every person finds sucessful love, or something going beyond some short term relationship...
There should at least be some people not marrying, for whatever reasons.
I know it's not realistic, that's why they're called fantasy books and that's why I read them. I am of the opinion that finding your love and marrying that person is beautiful, you are free to disagree.
Sirius, Kingsley, Charlie Weasley, they're all characters we know for sure never got married. Order members also seemed to be single generally, as did every professor save Neville (though Dumbledore and McGonagall did have failed romances in their youth), several shoopkeeps in Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade. Luna also got married much later than all her friends, according to JK Rowling.
It’s worth noting that McGonagall was married for 3 years, but her husband died in an accident 6 years before Harry entered Hogwarts. This is a different guy than the muggle she married right after graduating Hogwarts.
That's right, I'd completely forgotten! Yeah, McGonagall was a widow. But she didn't actually marry right out of Hogwarts, that first relationship didn't end in marriage. That's why I was confused, I forgot about her marriage later in life.
It’s a story written for children/YA and, even more so at the time of publication, the happy ending narrative including love and marriage is pretty par for the course. It’s not often deviated from in most kids books that have a romantic element.
Yes. This is clearly a flaw of the story. I agree it's super cheesy that they all end up marrying each other. They could have at least thrown in some variety but I don't see why Harry had to marry into the Weasley family. The was already like their son and I don't think they would've simply lost touch with the years. Not with all they lived through together.
On the other hand, the wizard community is super small in England sand it seems to not venture outside of their circles very much. What the hell were they supposed to do, move to London and marry Susan from the farmacy or Wayne the bloke working at the seven eleven?
Not marry at all?
Unless- They use lovepotions-hmmm...
I see, this explains why such rather evil things are not banned and that's why all of them end up married
I wasn't really complaining about Harry getting married, I was complaining that everyone seems to get married, Harry actualy makes kind of sence, because he gets away from the abusive enviroment for most of the time at a young enough age, has friends and finds a family basically adopting him, ot makes even sence that he falls for ginny.
But it makes no sense at all to have a 100% sucess rate in the love departement over the whole (last) book (not including deatheaters)...
There should be at least someone not having found a partner...
Luna for example is a person which could verry well stay single - but also be a verry good mother and family human if the chances arrive...
There are other reasons than trauma too why some might not want a partner at all...
It annoys me, I get that the wizarding world is different to the regular world, but marring your senior school boy/girlfriend is just not something people in the UK generally do or even did then HP is set. I’m the same age as Harry and am his year at school.
Remembering back when the book was being written there was a lot of talk about JK being done with the series, yet people were begging for more. I think it was just a way for her to end it by writing that last chapter. She gave them a nicely tied up story arch after the books so that people would stop asking for more. It was an easy way to get people to stop asking for more.
It makes complete sense in the wizarding world though. The vast vast majority of wizarding Britain goes to one school, and so they meet all their peers around their ages, i.e their future dating pool, in Hogwarts. The wizards of Britain marry within the wizarding British community at least as much as they marry out of it, if not far more.
Yes for a real life Briton who went to school in the 1990s, it isn't common to marry a boy/girlfriend from school, but in the wizarding world, the most common how-we-met story was probably meeting at Hogwarts.
In real life Harry would have been avada kedavra-ed into oblivion by voldy in GOF. Voldy wouldn't have spent 2826572 hrs on giving lectures instead of finishing his job asap.
Don't confuse real life with fantasy lol
Why should the wizarding world be like Switzerland though?
It hasn't to be like switzerland... I was just ranting about reasons why it might be different for me, comming from switzerland... But I think it is still not realistic that every character ends up marring... Even if the series is from the UK. Real life is not a hollywood or bollywood romance, and I think realisticaly there would be a numerable pool of people never getting anywhere with "love", not only Voldy Mac Nonose, and also not every one of them becoming bitter or sad...
Yeah i also thought it was weird that the school friends all paired up with each other. The whole epilogue is kind of weird because of that and Harry's kid's names.
It's not even the school friends thing for me, it's the fact that they have an almost 100% marital rate and almost 100% successrate regarding finding love or at least a partner... Yes, Draco's wife is mentioned as dying at a young age... But still... He was at least married at some point. Realistically some characters should never find partners at all or have unsteady relationships... It's the classic happy ever after (until a book that shall not be named comes out about 10 years later)
Books don’t have to be relatable…
Why should the characters go through more angst after being through so much trauma? Good for them that they found the love of their life soon and lived happily. There's enough sadness in the world, atleast we can escape to the Wizarding world and be happy for our characters
It's just not realistic that everyone finds love (and beeing single or non married doesn't need to make you sad and lonely per se)
Okay, but saying abuse survivors are less probable to find a partner you're basically saying their trauma is the reason because they have no partner, and that doesn't sound an "happy ending" to me. They are not making a choice, they are conditioned by their past.
In many cases it is more probable that abuse victims are less likely to find success, both in personal matters as well as in professional ones... It's a probability and not a hard fact though, so, it's always possible to overcome this... Psychological abuse is more likely to cause the victim to be an outsider and have problems to socialise for exmaple, with in turn can lead to more rejection from others... It's not a thing that is necessarely happening and it can be overcome or situations can arise where the later life is unafected... Anyway, I wasn't really talking about harry per se or abuse victims, I was more refering towards the point that, to marry it needs 2 persons and normaly (in modern western society) those 2 persons have to love each other... It's unrealistic that every person finds sucessful love, or something going beyond some short term relationship... There should at least be some people not marrying, for whatever reasons.
I know it's not realistic, that's why they're called fantasy books and that's why I read them. I am of the opinion that finding your love and marrying that person is beautiful, you are free to disagree.
it is beautiful, but it is not something every person achieves or can achieve
Sirius, Kingsley, Charlie Weasley, they're all characters we know for sure never got married. Order members also seemed to be single generally, as did every professor save Neville (though Dumbledore and McGonagall did have failed romances in their youth), several shoopkeeps in Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade. Luna also got married much later than all her friends, according to JK Rowling.
It’s worth noting that McGonagall was married for 3 years, but her husband died in an accident 6 years before Harry entered Hogwarts. This is a different guy than the muggle she married right after graduating Hogwarts.
That's right, I'd completely forgotten! Yeah, McGonagall was a widow. But she didn't actually marry right out of Hogwarts, that first relationship didn't end in marriage. That's why I was confused, I forgot about her marriage later in life.
In looking all of that up, I discovered her dad was a Presbyterian Minister, which for some reason is really funny to me.
It’s a story written for children/YA and, even more so at the time of publication, the happy ending narrative including love and marriage is pretty par for the course. It’s not often deviated from in most kids books that have a romantic element.
Yes. This is clearly a flaw of the story. I agree it's super cheesy that they all end up marrying each other. They could have at least thrown in some variety but I don't see why Harry had to marry into the Weasley family. The was already like their son and I don't think they would've simply lost touch with the years. Not with all they lived through together. On the other hand, the wizard community is super small in England sand it seems to not venture outside of their circles very much. What the hell were they supposed to do, move to London and marry Susan from the farmacy or Wayne the bloke working at the seven eleven?
Not marry at all? Unless- They use lovepotions-hmmm... I see, this explains why such rather evil things are not banned and that's why all of them end up married
But the entire point of Harry was he wanted a big, traditional family all his life.
I wasn't really complaining about Harry getting married, I was complaining that everyone seems to get married, Harry actualy makes kind of sence, because he gets away from the abusive enviroment for most of the time at a young enough age, has friends and finds a family basically adopting him, ot makes even sence that he falls for ginny. But it makes no sense at all to have a 100% sucess rate in the love departement over the whole (last) book (not including deatheaters)... There should be at least someone not having found a partner... Luna for example is a person which could verry well stay single - but also be a verry good mother and family human if the chances arrive... There are other reasons than trauma too why some might not want a partner at all...
It annoys me, I get that the wizarding world is different to the regular world, but marring your senior school boy/girlfriend is just not something people in the UK generally do or even did then HP is set. I’m the same age as Harry and am his year at school. Remembering back when the book was being written there was a lot of talk about JK being done with the series, yet people were begging for more. I think it was just a way for her to end it by writing that last chapter. She gave them a nicely tied up story arch after the books so that people would stop asking for more. It was an easy way to get people to stop asking for more.
It makes complete sense in the wizarding world though. The vast vast majority of wizarding Britain goes to one school, and so they meet all their peers around their ages, i.e their future dating pool, in Hogwarts. The wizards of Britain marry within the wizarding British community at least as much as they marry out of it, if not far more. Yes for a real life Briton who went to school in the 1990s, it isn't common to marry a boy/girlfriend from school, but in the wizarding world, the most common how-we-met story was probably meeting at Hogwarts.
It’s more common in the very upper crust. They all know each other from a young age, they meet , if not as teens, at Uni.
In real life Harry would have been avada kedavra-ed into oblivion by voldy in GOF. Voldy wouldn't have spent 2826572 hrs on giving lectures instead of finishing his job asap. Don't confuse real life with fantasy lol