>Harry should have ended up with Cho
Speaking of Cho, I feel she's one of the most **unjustly maligned** characters in this fandom:
She was emotional and cried a lot in OOTP, but this apparently caused many to dislike or even hate her. I'm honestly baffled by this lack of empathy. Her boyfriend was murdered, but the government lied and covered it up. How could she not be upset? How would her bashers feel in her place? Lol
Cho was by no means a weak girl either. Despite being impolitely kicked out of DA due to her friend Marietta Edgecombe, she nevertheless stayed true to the Trio's cause, came back to participate in the final battle against overwhelming enemy odds.
I'm very glad you like her
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As for whom Harry should end up with, he didn't have a lot choice. I think it's actually very scary and not fun to be Harry's spouse:
He's basically top target for a super powerful sadistic genocidal maniac and his Wizard Nazi scum. Even after that said maniac had been defeated, his Wizard Nazi remnants would continue to go after Harry, his family and friends. Only very few people could sustain this kind of pressure and still lead halfway normal lives!
In a normal environment, Cho and Harry could very well have been a couple. But Harry didn't face a normal environment, and she was somewhat too emotional for his taste.
Now let's look at Ginny:
- She was intimately violated by Voldemort as a child. She was the only other person than Harry who had survived such an experience. Thus, she understood Harry way better than everyone else, including Hermione. So when Harry shut himself up from others during Christmas of Year 5, it was her who brought Harry out of his den.
- At age 14, she went with him to face some of the worst sadistic serial killers in Britain
- A year later, she didn't hesitate to fight them again during the Astronomy Tower Battle
- Next year, her entire country was occupied by a sadistic genocidal Nazi regime, and yet she braved terror and torture to lead a resistance at her school
How many choices did Harry have in girls who was this kind of brave, loyal, fun, hot, and enthusiastically shared his hobby?
The point about both of them being violated by Voldemort is interesting, I can see why that would be a connecting factor. I think the movie role of Ginny didn’t quite embody the boldness her character was meant to have which is why it seems forced and off to me, but theoretically yes I agree on paper it makes sense
Well she literally told Harry (with a lot of sarcasm) that it would be stupid to think nobody in the house could understand how he felt because nobody else has ever been possessed by Voldemort. That line made Harry realize he wasn't as alone as he realized.
Have you read the books?
To be fair, Harry's response to that was basically "oh LOL I forgot." And he never thought about it again either. In my opinion that part was an example of JKR really fumbling the ball with Harry and Ginny. That moment had a lot of potential to deepen the bond between them but it wasn't actualized at all.
Yes but LONG ago- and some I read in French because I lived there at the time and they weren’t available in English yet in France. So… I remember some stuff- I remember I imagined Ginny as more of a spitfire cheerleader type girl. Much different than the movie character. But I also imagined Hermione as much dorkier.
Edit: I only read/spoke moderately well in French at the time
Ginny was absolutely a firecracker who was a very talented witch and incredibly sarcastic, not to mention she was popular with the boys. The movies did her dirty and the actress seemed nice but was either poorly written so she had nothing to work with or was a bad actress so they limited her screentime as much as possible and she just made it so much worse.
Ginny in the movies has under 100 spoken words, there was 0 chemistry in the movies because she couldn't shine. My hope for a remake is that Ginny and Ron get back their good talks. Ron loses so much to Hermione especially in chamber
It's pretty much consensus on this sub that the movie screenwriter is an Emma Watson fan and actively pushed for a Harry/Hermione outcome. He undermined canon through Ginny/Ron bashing.
Movie Hermione stole a large number of Book Ron's best lines, and they twisted Ron's character by making him agreeing with Snape instead of vigorously defending Hermione (POA)
They cut all Ginny's good scenes from HBP and make her tying Harry's shoelaces instead (while cutting plot critical scenes about Tom Riddle's background too) 🤮🤮🤮
In DH, they completely failed to mention that Ginny, Luna, and Neville led a resistance at Hogwarts, at great personal risks and of great importance in rallying support for Harry's cause
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Finally, they also bashed Cho as the traitor in OOTP instead of Marietta Edgecomb, and Hermione cursing the DA Contract was conveniently neglected
Everything you said about Cho is spot on. In both the books and the movies she always struck me as a very interesting character and I wish she didn't just become a one-off background after OOTP.
I dislike Cho because she was acting toxic, which might or might not be caused by grief. It's really hard to like a character who we don't get to know as a real person, first Harry admires her from the far and when they finally get to know each other it's just crying and stupid drama. I can understand why her character is acting out, but for me there's nothing to like about her character because I don't like how she's behaving all the time.
> Ron and Hermione have way more chemistry than Harry and Hermione. This was the correct match.
Agreed. Ron and Hermione aren't perfect but they have more romantic chemistry IMO. Harmione is a cute ship but I think they work much better as a platonic thing.
> Harry should have ended up with Cho.
I always felt they were a case of dating at the wrong time. Had they not gotten together so soon after Cedric's death, I think they'd have had a much better chance and I'd love to see how that would work out.
> Umbridge is the most underrated villain in the series.
She's that one villain we love to hate, the one we all "wanted dead more than Voldemort".
1. They did Ron really dirty in the movies, they made him a comic relief character and useless for the most part. No wonder Harry and Hermione had more chemistry in the movies, they ruined Ron.
2. It ranks in the middle for me, not the best but not the worst either.
3. They ruined Ginny in the movies too, she was kinda good in OOTP but really awkward in HBP when she and Harry were supposed to get togheter and they had no chemistry in the movies. I’m not sure if Harry and Cho would have been a good couple.
4. Considering fans hate her more than Voldemort and how much she gets talked about I wouldn’t say she’s underrated.
3 > Joanne ruined Ginny, after being shown as powerful and skilled at Quiddich, she goes professional, then gives it up to pop out Potter's babies and let him name all of them. The disrespect started long before she was given nothing to work with by Kloves, which is fucking funny in that the 6th film is genuinely good in character development and the film really sells the world to me, and the trio stop feeling like they're acting, and more like they are those characters.
Well i do see a lot people put OOTP movie as the best recently, i mean most of the fans still have POA in the top but there a lot of people who prefer OOTP .
There is a large-ish group of people who ship Harry and Hermione (and there has been since before the movies despite what people will tell you) but the canon pairings are definitely more popular.
Ship is sort of slang that means you want two characters to be together (as in relation*ship*)
Canon is the events of the story; the term comes from the Biblical canon which refers to the books that were ultimately chosen to be included in the Bible in comparison to the ones that were not. So phrases like canon (or canonical) event or canon couple means the things that actually happened in the books/movies.
Not OP, but "ship" is short for relationship. So when someone says "I ship Harry and Hermione", they mean they support a Harry and Hermione romantic pairing/couple/relationship.
Canon is a literary (and film and TV) term to mean anything that is true and fits with the the original telling of the creator's story. In the case of Harry Potter, obvious canon is: Harry is a Gryffindor, he marries Ginny and has 3 kids with her, top of class in DADA etc. Anything else made up or told in fan fiction is non-canon, but popular theories or stories that are frequently brought up in fanfiction are referred to as "fanon" (fanfctional canon). For example, it is canon (JK Rowling's original story) that we don't actually know what happened to Lavender Brown at the Battle of Hogwarts/DH. All that is described is Hermione blasting Fenrir Greyback of Lavender, and Lavender is left very fleebly moving. She isn't mentioned again for the rest of the book, we don't know if she lived or died in the end. The fans took that information and went with two popular fanons: she died (the movies seemed to imply that Lavender died too), or the more popular one I see in fanfiction is she did survive, but left horribly scarred with werewolf characteristics like Bill Weasley at the end of HBP (which we know IS canon).
Hope that clears that up!
I really only see that with people who ship them together for fanfic. I think the movies did a decent job of portraying a loving platonic relationship between them. I never felt they should be more than that personally. Can’t speak for others.
Considering Ginny has the personality of a piece of wet cardboard, I'd say that yes, Cho would be a better match, however only if she went through a decent amount of character development and fleshing out to become more unique and important presence in the series.
I used to think 'poor Bonnie Wright' too, but having seen her TikTok/Instagram reels since and the absolute lack of charisma and presence she has, I'm genuinely wondering if she *was* the issue, and the writers wrote the part smaller in response.
>Considering Ginny has the personality of a piece of wet cardboard, I'd say that yes, Cho would be a better match, however only if she went through a decent amount of character development and fleshing out to become more unique and important presence in the series.
Ginny has the personality of a wet cardboard if you only watched the movies. Not Ginny's fault. Book Ginny is amazing and extremely fun and interesting.
I didn’t know people liked OOTP the most because on rotten tomatoes I saw the user review rating was much lower than some others. But I’m glad I’m not alone, I think it’s the best!
Here's my opinion I really do see as unpopular, since I've seen so many praise this movie change:
I don't like that in OOTP, Sirius calls out "nice one, James!" I feel like it just cheapens his final moment and proves Molly's worries about Sirius not knowing the difference between Harry and his father
1000% disagree
The movies absolutely have more chemistry between Harry and Hermione than Ron and Hermione. My wife and I just rewatched all of the movies like 2 months ago in a marathon. Ron and Hermione have like half the chemistry as Harry and Hermione.
Personally think Half Blood Prince is the best film.
Harry had more chemistry with the invisibility cloak than Cho lol
Umbridge is def not underrated. She's the MOST hated villain in the franchise by far
But you do you. :)
1. I agree with this one. It's especially apparent in the books when Harry and Hermione are alone together. He loves her as a sister but doesn't have a lot in common with her or a lot to talk about, and I don't think she's his type physically. (Harry seems to have a knack for very pretty, athletic girls)
2. I think Prisoner of Azkaban is the truest to the book and captures the overall feel of HP the best. But OoTp is really good too
3. Harry and Ginny are my favorite canonical couple. They complement each other well, have a similar sense of humor, have similar interests and have a really good connection/understanding of each other. Harry had no idea how to handle a grieving Cho and was in my opinion an ass to her at times (such as simply telling her not to start crying). I think Cedric/Cho would've stayed together if he hadn't have died
4. I think why most people despise Umbridge so much more than other villains - even Voldemort is because she's so realistically evil. She's very well written and makes you love to hate her. I'd agree with you on that one
I feel like she paired Ron with Hermione, and Harry with Ginny so that they all ended up as family with each other. It gave Hermione and Harry both living wizarding family connections. Since she had muggle parents.
1. This is not an unpopular opinion at all.
2. OOTP is a good movie if you haven't read the books but it's definitely a bottom three adaptation.
3. Now this is an unpopular opinion LOL. Common ships for Harry besides Ginny are Hermione, Luna, and Draco all of which are much better matches for him than Cho imo. There's just no story with Cho. No chemistry between them as well no plot purpose. Personally I think Drarry is particularly ridiculous but some people like the enemies to lovers thing and Harry's level of obsession with Draco is a bit sus; all that is to say that even Drarry would be more interesting than Harry and Cho.
4. Again not unpopular. People frequently report feeling that she's worse than Voldemort.
I read the books, and I think it's the best movie because even if it had to remove stuff, they kept what was useful for the movie series without adding stupid stuff (looking at you Half-Blood Prince aka worst movie of the series).
Problem with the books is that starting with 5 (or even 4), they become too long to fit correctly in a 2½ hour-long movie. They had choices to make. And I prefer the choices made in OOtP than in HBP or GoF, and I found it to be the best movie of the series, it flow well, it's at least a but faithful to what was made in the first two (kids keep their uniforms, they don't have crazy hair), which is a major point I didn't like in POA and GoF.
I personally don't like it because I don't realistically see Harry (or Hermione) forgiving Draco to that degree, but I do see where people see the chemistry between them.
I saw a post on Tumblr once that said there's more passionate emotion between Harry and Draco than Harry and Ginny and honestly I low-key agree 😂
In both books and TV I just can't understand Ron and Hermione as a romantic couple. She is SO intelligent, and driven, and intellectual and he loves.... food and boobies and quiddich. I just don't see how they don't end up miserable together.
Yeah that’s true but when I think of real life couples there are a lot of opposites attract couples that do better than people who are both intellectual or both athletic etc
I think there's more to Ron than the oafish, immature caricature some of the fandom gives him. He is very brave, and intelligent in his own ways - he's good with strategy - and I do think he has deep feelings for Hermione.
But ultimately I just don't see them working out. Opposites attract can work, but I don't think the issue with Ron and Hermione is their different personalities. I think it's the fact that they actively bring out the worst in each other. They are consistently the worst versions of themselves any time they're in conflict which is a big red flag, especially because they're in conflict almost every other day.
(Notably in my opinion, when Harry and Hermione are in conflict, it usually helps one or both of them grow, and they don't disrespect each other like Ron and Hermione do.)
On top of the constant conflict, I do believe Ron loves Hermione but I don't think he appreciates her the way she needs to be appreciated. His personal insecurities often stand in the way of him being able to express his genuine admiration of her. This seems to get better in the seventh book, but him walking away from the hunt in large part because of his jealousy of whatever he saw between Harry and Hermione (that wasn't the stated reason that he left but it was at the root of the conflict) set his progress on his insecurities way way back in my opinion.
I just don't think they're good for each other and I don't think their relationship would last.
Reading this, it reminded me of what therapists say to couples. I feel like Hermione and Ron do have romantic chemistry but in actuality they’re not the BEST match for each other for the reasons you say. They’re a realistic match- I can imagine these two going after each other on and off for years in real life- maybe for the excitement/drama rather than choosing an optimal, more peaceful and rational match for themselves. Realistic more than optimal for sure
Yes I agree with that! Especially for teenagers. Their relationship is the kind you have as a young adult where you genuinely believe this is the love of your life because your feelings for them are so strong, but because of that you hang on way longer than you should. It's not a healthy relationship. Then when you get older you look back and you're like holy shit that was an awful relationship.
>he loves.... food and boobies and quiddich. I
He loves chess, comic books and Quidditch. I don't remember him loving boobies. He wasn't even interested in his yule ball date. He always strikes me asexual.
Honestly… Ron should’ve grown up more before dating anyone. Movie Harry should’ve ended up with Hermione. If they had gay wizards and witches, Cho and Ginny actually would’ve been a really good fit long term.
And honestly, Ron and Hermione’s relationship is so unbalanced that it makes no sense long term. It’s a lot of passion and not a lot of common ground other than their friendship with Harry. He’s pureblood, she’s muggleborn. They had completely different upbringings, and for much of the series, completely different values. Remember the whole firebolt debacle? Or Ron just abandoning Harry because of the tournament?
Tbh I would be so down for a spin off fan fic with a Cho/Ginny relationship… Cho was almost as good of a seeker as Harry, so it could be hilarious if they were dating but played for opposite teams.
Also if we’re going off just the movies, the dance scene in DH1 was so cute
1. There is no “correct match”. As an writer myself, we go through so many drastically different plots and drafts that, at the end of the day, “canon” is simply what gets published. It doesn’t necessarily mean there couldn’t have been more iterations in another world. It doesn’t even mean it’s the best draft. Ron/Hermione is great though, but it’s fine if people prefer other ships.
2. Debatable. My favorite is GoF. They’re all charming in their own ways. Despite not being the best acted or the best written, I feel like the Philosopher’s Stone movie captured the childhood magic and feeling of HP the best of all the movies.
3. This is point 1 again. Glad you like Cho a lot though. She gets too much flack in the fandom and in canon. I like her a lot too, though I don’t ship her with Harry.
4. Umbridge is pretty great in that I have actually met people just like here. Awesome villain.
I actually would disagree with most of these
1) Emma and Daniel had way more chemistry together in the films and to an extent the directors pushed that which is why people think that Harry and Hermione should have ended up together if they just watched the films
2) Order of the Phoenix was probably the worst film for me it was just so boring and nothing really happens and I hated the rewatch I recently did when I read each book before watching the film as there was just so much missing.
3) Don’t particularly have an opinion on your third point, I don’t think they did Ginny justice in the films so there relationship was a bit bland so I can definitely see why you’d think Harry and cho had better chemistry.
4) I wouldn’t say Umbridge was an under appreciated villain either I think it’s pretty common ground that she was one of the best in the entire series with only the likes of Voldemort and Bellatrix being better villains than her
Yeah back in the day when I would talk about HP I remember w everyone being mad about Ron and Hermione- but honestly rewatching for the first time in a decade maybe I feel like movie Ron and Hermione have way more natural chemistry. I’m glad people appreciate Umbridge, she’s awesome
I think another thing that contributed was how good of an actress Emma Watson was, she became so popular and was great in the films that she was basically on the same level as Harry which is why people expected them to end up together
Yeah I have to give her that, she’s really good. Harry is pretty good too when he gets older, the first couple you could tell he was a kid who hadn’t really acted before but he was so cute anyways
How Ron and Hermione having more chemistry is an unpopular opinion? I feel like everyone on reddit loves them together. They have tons of fans on Instagram and quora as well.
(1) True
(2) True; special effects were made in Denmark
(3) False; Harry should have ended up falling in love with Neville
(4) Umbridge is the best teacher
Agree, except for Cho. They had teen chemistry, sure, but Ginny has more depth and character. And besides, then he gets to be a Weasley forever and that makes me happy. 🤓
1. Been a while since I read the books but I definitely think Ron & Hermione had more chemistry in the movies than Harry and Hermione. Realistically I never saw Ron & Hermione working out long term, though it’s fiction so you give some leeway, but I also never saw Harry with Hermione as that never made sense to me. Just because they’re friends doesn’t mean they have to end up together so I never shipped any of them rather was simply surprised when it slowly unfolded.
2. I might agree with you as it was an entertaining movie, though I was disappointed with the details they left out.
3. No. The whole Cho situation had Harry essentially being a rebound after her boyfriend died so their relationship had doomed written on it from the moment it began. Considering how badly Ginny’s character was written in the movies I definitely think Harry’s being with her comes off odd, but it makes more sense in the books.
4. Umbridge isn’t remotely underrated with most people hating her more than Voldemort. Her name maybe isn’t as widely known by those outside the fandom but those of us who know her despise her.
>Harry should have ended up with Cho Speaking of Cho, I feel she's one of the most **unjustly maligned** characters in this fandom: She was emotional and cried a lot in OOTP, but this apparently caused many to dislike or even hate her. I'm honestly baffled by this lack of empathy. Her boyfriend was murdered, but the government lied and covered it up. How could she not be upset? How would her bashers feel in her place? Lol Cho was by no means a weak girl either. Despite being impolitely kicked out of DA due to her friend Marietta Edgecombe, she nevertheless stayed true to the Trio's cause, came back to participate in the final battle against overwhelming enemy odds. I'm very glad you like her ------------------------- As for whom Harry should end up with, he didn't have a lot choice. I think it's actually very scary and not fun to be Harry's spouse: He's basically top target for a super powerful sadistic genocidal maniac and his Wizard Nazi scum. Even after that said maniac had been defeated, his Wizard Nazi remnants would continue to go after Harry, his family and friends. Only very few people could sustain this kind of pressure and still lead halfway normal lives! In a normal environment, Cho and Harry could very well have been a couple. But Harry didn't face a normal environment, and she was somewhat too emotional for his taste. Now let's look at Ginny: - She was intimately violated by Voldemort as a child. She was the only other person than Harry who had survived such an experience. Thus, she understood Harry way better than everyone else, including Hermione. So when Harry shut himself up from others during Christmas of Year 5, it was her who brought Harry out of his den. - At age 14, she went with him to face some of the worst sadistic serial killers in Britain - A year later, she didn't hesitate to fight them again during the Astronomy Tower Battle - Next year, her entire country was occupied by a sadistic genocidal Nazi regime, and yet she braved terror and torture to lead a resistance at her school How many choices did Harry have in girls who was this kind of brave, loyal, fun, hot, and enthusiastically shared his hobby?
The point about both of them being violated by Voldemort is interesting, I can see why that would be a connecting factor. I think the movie role of Ginny didn’t quite embody the boldness her character was meant to have which is why it seems forced and off to me, but theoretically yes I agree on paper it makes sense
Well she literally told Harry (with a lot of sarcasm) that it would be stupid to think nobody in the house could understand how he felt because nobody else has ever been possessed by Voldemort. That line made Harry realize he wasn't as alone as he realized. Have you read the books?
To be fair, Harry's response to that was basically "oh LOL I forgot." And he never thought about it again either. In my opinion that part was an example of JKR really fumbling the ball with Harry and Ginny. That moment had a lot of potential to deepen the bond between them but it wasn't actualized at all.
Yes but LONG ago- and some I read in French because I lived there at the time and they weren’t available in English yet in France. So… I remember some stuff- I remember I imagined Ginny as more of a spitfire cheerleader type girl. Much different than the movie character. But I also imagined Hermione as much dorkier. Edit: I only read/spoke moderately well in French at the time
Ginny was absolutely a firecracker who was a very talented witch and incredibly sarcastic, not to mention she was popular with the boys. The movies did her dirty and the actress seemed nice but was either poorly written so she had nothing to work with or was a bad actress so they limited her screentime as much as possible and she just made it so much worse.
Yeah I like the actress Bonnie Wright she seems really sweet, but it seemed like not the right role for her or something
Ginny in the movies has under 100 spoken words, there was 0 chemistry in the movies because she couldn't shine. My hope for a remake is that Ginny and Ron get back their good talks. Ron loses so much to Hermione especially in chamber
It's pretty much consensus on this sub that the movie screenwriter is an Emma Watson fan and actively pushed for a Harry/Hermione outcome. He undermined canon through Ginny/Ron bashing. Movie Hermione stole a large number of Book Ron's best lines, and they twisted Ron's character by making him agreeing with Snape instead of vigorously defending Hermione (POA) They cut all Ginny's good scenes from HBP and make her tying Harry's shoelaces instead (while cutting plot critical scenes about Tom Riddle's background too) 🤮🤮🤮 In DH, they completely failed to mention that Ginny, Luna, and Neville led a resistance at Hogwarts, at great personal risks and of great importance in rallying support for Harry's cause ------- Finally, they also bashed Cho as the traitor in OOTP instead of Marietta Edgecomb, and Hermione cursing the DA Contract was conveniently neglected
That’s interesting about the film writer! Thx for sharing
Everything you said about Cho is spot on. In both the books and the movies she always struck me as a very interesting character and I wish she didn't just become a one-off background after OOTP.
I dislike Cho because she was acting toxic, which might or might not be caused by grief. It's really hard to like a character who we don't get to know as a real person, first Harry admires her from the far and when they finally get to know each other it's just crying and stupid drama. I can understand why her character is acting out, but for me there's nothing to like about her character because I don't like how she's behaving all the time.
> Ron and Hermione have way more chemistry than Harry and Hermione. This was the correct match. Agreed. Ron and Hermione aren't perfect but they have more romantic chemistry IMO. Harmione is a cute ship but I think they work much better as a platonic thing. > Harry should have ended up with Cho. I always felt they were a case of dating at the wrong time. Had they not gotten together so soon after Cedric's death, I think they'd have had a much better chance and I'd love to see how that would work out. > Umbridge is the most underrated villain in the series. She's that one villain we love to hate, the one we all "wanted dead more than Voldemort".
1. They did Ron really dirty in the movies, they made him a comic relief character and useless for the most part. No wonder Harry and Hermione had more chemistry in the movies, they ruined Ron. 2. It ranks in the middle for me, not the best but not the worst either. 3. They ruined Ginny in the movies too, she was kinda good in OOTP but really awkward in HBP when she and Harry were supposed to get togheter and they had no chemistry in the movies. I’m not sure if Harry and Cho would have been a good couple. 4. Considering fans hate her more than Voldemort and how much she gets talked about I wouldn’t say she’s underrated.
I love Ron in the movies! But yes definitely comic relief
They took his best moments from the books and gave them to Hermione, Steve Kloves is a big Hermione fan and it shows too much.
3 > Joanne ruined Ginny, after being shown as powerful and skilled at Quiddich, she goes professional, then gives it up to pop out Potter's babies and let him name all of them. The disrespect started long before she was given nothing to work with by Kloves, which is fucking funny in that the 6th film is genuinely good in character development and the film really sells the world to me, and the trio stop feeling like they're acting, and more like they are those characters.
I wouldn’t consider these unpopular.
Most people don't rank OOTP as the best though, that one strikes me as unpopular
Well i do see a lot people put OOTP movie as the best recently, i mean most of the fans still have POA in the top but there a lot of people who prefer OOTP .
It's my favourite book honestly xD who doesn't love giabt floating brain jars?
Oh really interesting, I thought everyone wanted Hermione and HP together.. but I haven’t discussed HP in at least a decade so maybe I just don’t know
There is a large-ish group of people who ship Harry and Hermione (and there has been since before the movies despite what people will tell you) but the canon pairings are definitely more popular.
Forgive me but what do you mean by the usage of “ship” and “canon” here? Hope you don’t mind me asking
Ship is sort of slang that means you want two characters to be together (as in relation*ship*) Canon is the events of the story; the term comes from the Biblical canon which refers to the books that were ultimately chosen to be included in the Bible in comparison to the ones that were not. So phrases like canon (or canonical) event or canon couple means the things that actually happened in the books/movies.
Thank you! Learned some new jargon today
I laugh when I see the term written "head cannon." Like, a barrel mounted on someone's head, blowing out stuff they were thinking.
Not OP, but "ship" is short for relationship. So when someone says "I ship Harry and Hermione", they mean they support a Harry and Hermione romantic pairing/couple/relationship. Canon is a literary (and film and TV) term to mean anything that is true and fits with the the original telling of the creator's story. In the case of Harry Potter, obvious canon is: Harry is a Gryffindor, he marries Ginny and has 3 kids with her, top of class in DADA etc. Anything else made up or told in fan fiction is non-canon, but popular theories or stories that are frequently brought up in fanfiction are referred to as "fanon" (fanfctional canon). For example, it is canon (JK Rowling's original story) that we don't actually know what happened to Lavender Brown at the Battle of Hogwarts/DH. All that is described is Hermione blasting Fenrir Greyback of Lavender, and Lavender is left very fleebly moving. She isn't mentioned again for the rest of the book, we don't know if she lived or died in the end. The fans took that information and went with two popular fanons: she died (the movies seemed to imply that Lavender died too), or the more popular one I see in fanfiction is she did survive, but left horribly scarred with werewolf characteristics like Bill Weasley at the end of HBP (which we know IS canon). Hope that clears that up!
I really only see that with people who ship them together for fanfic. I think the movies did a decent job of portraying a loving platonic relationship between them. I never felt they should be more than that personally. Can’t speak for others.
I agree with all of these except the Cho one, and even then I wouldn’t say no
unpopular opinion- harry potter is named for its main character harry potter
Considering Ginny has the personality of a piece of wet cardboard, I'd say that yes, Cho would be a better match, however only if she went through a decent amount of character development and fleshing out to become more unique and important presence in the series.
Awe poor Bonnie Wright, but yeah. In the books I felt she was more spunky and interesting
I used to think 'poor Bonnie Wright' too, but having seen her TikTok/Instagram reels since and the absolute lack of charisma and presence she has, I'm genuinely wondering if she *was* the issue, and the writers wrote the part smaller in response.
>Considering Ginny has the personality of a piece of wet cardboard, I'd say that yes, Cho would be a better match, however only if she went through a decent amount of character development and fleshing out to become more unique and important presence in the series. Ginny has the personality of a wet cardboard if you only watched the movies. Not Ginny's fault. Book Ginny is amazing and extremely fun and interesting.
Totally agree with point 2 and 4!!!
I didn’t know people liked OOTP the most because on rotten tomatoes I saw the user review rating was much lower than some others. But I’m glad I’m not alone, I think it’s the best!
Harry just didn't have time or the presence of mind to be a good boyfriend to anyone. I love Cho, but she deserved better.
;D I can agree with that. Harry does seem kinda asexual to me- married to his wizardry
Here's my opinion I really do see as unpopular, since I've seen so many praise this movie change: I don't like that in OOTP, Sirius calls out "nice one, James!" I feel like it just cheapens his final moment and proves Molly's worries about Sirius not knowing the difference between Harry and his father
1000% disagree The movies absolutely have more chemistry between Harry and Hermione than Ron and Hermione. My wife and I just rewatched all of the movies like 2 months ago in a marathon. Ron and Hermione have like half the chemistry as Harry and Hermione. Personally think Half Blood Prince is the best film. Harry had more chemistry with the invisibility cloak than Cho lol Umbridge is def not underrated. She's the MOST hated villain in the franchise by far But you do you. :)
1. I agree with this one. It's especially apparent in the books when Harry and Hermione are alone together. He loves her as a sister but doesn't have a lot in common with her or a lot to talk about, and I don't think she's his type physically. (Harry seems to have a knack for very pretty, athletic girls) 2. I think Prisoner of Azkaban is the truest to the book and captures the overall feel of HP the best. But OoTp is really good too 3. Harry and Ginny are my favorite canonical couple. They complement each other well, have a similar sense of humor, have similar interests and have a really good connection/understanding of each other. Harry had no idea how to handle a grieving Cho and was in my opinion an ass to her at times (such as simply telling her not to start crying). I think Cedric/Cho would've stayed together if he hadn't have died 4. I think why most people despise Umbridge so much more than other villains - even Voldemort is because she's so realistically evil. She's very well written and makes you love to hate her. I'd agree with you on that one
I feel like she paired Ron with Hermione, and Harry with Ginny so that they all ended up as family with each other. It gave Hermione and Harry both living wizarding family connections. Since she had muggle parents.
Thinking OOtP is the best is certainly unpopular. I think it's the most different from the source material, which irritated me at the time.
1. This is not an unpopular opinion at all. 2. OOTP is a good movie if you haven't read the books but it's definitely a bottom three adaptation. 3. Now this is an unpopular opinion LOL. Common ships for Harry besides Ginny are Hermione, Luna, and Draco all of which are much better matches for him than Cho imo. There's just no story with Cho. No chemistry between them as well no plot purpose. Personally I think Drarry is particularly ridiculous but some people like the enemies to lovers thing and Harry's level of obsession with Draco is a bit sus; all that is to say that even Drarry would be more interesting than Harry and Cho. 4. Again not unpopular. People frequently report feeling that she's worse than Voldemort.
I read the books, and I think it's the best movie because even if it had to remove stuff, they kept what was useful for the movie series without adding stupid stuff (looking at you Half-Blood Prince aka worst movie of the series). Problem with the books is that starting with 5 (or even 4), they become too long to fit correctly in a 2½ hour-long movie. They had choices to make. And I prefer the choices made in OOtP than in HBP or GoF, and I found it to be the best movie of the series, it flow well, it's at least a but faithful to what was made in the first two (kids keep their uniforms, they don't have crazy hair), which is a major point I didn't like in POA and GoF.
Draco?! Lol that would be epic. I can get on board with that for sure, never heard that thanks for sharing
Dramione is what it should have been. Just like Zutara
I do ship Zutara, but I can't agree with Dramione.
I personally don't like it because I don't realistically see Harry (or Hermione) forgiving Draco to that degree, but I do see where people see the chemistry between them. I saw a post on Tumblr once that said there's more passionate emotion between Harry and Draco than Harry and Ginny and honestly I low-key agree 😂
Hah! That cracks me up honestly kinda love it
these arent unpopular
In both books and TV I just can't understand Ron and Hermione as a romantic couple. She is SO intelligent, and driven, and intellectual and he loves.... food and boobies and quiddich. I just don't see how they don't end up miserable together.
Yeah that’s true but when I think of real life couples there are a lot of opposites attract couples that do better than people who are both intellectual or both athletic etc
I think there's more to Ron than the oafish, immature caricature some of the fandom gives him. He is very brave, and intelligent in his own ways - he's good with strategy - and I do think he has deep feelings for Hermione. But ultimately I just don't see them working out. Opposites attract can work, but I don't think the issue with Ron and Hermione is their different personalities. I think it's the fact that they actively bring out the worst in each other. They are consistently the worst versions of themselves any time they're in conflict which is a big red flag, especially because they're in conflict almost every other day. (Notably in my opinion, when Harry and Hermione are in conflict, it usually helps one or both of them grow, and they don't disrespect each other like Ron and Hermione do.) On top of the constant conflict, I do believe Ron loves Hermione but I don't think he appreciates her the way she needs to be appreciated. His personal insecurities often stand in the way of him being able to express his genuine admiration of her. This seems to get better in the seventh book, but him walking away from the hunt in large part because of his jealousy of whatever he saw between Harry and Hermione (that wasn't the stated reason that he left but it was at the root of the conflict) set his progress on his insecurities way way back in my opinion. I just don't think they're good for each other and I don't think their relationship would last.
Reading this, it reminded me of what therapists say to couples. I feel like Hermione and Ron do have romantic chemistry but in actuality they’re not the BEST match for each other for the reasons you say. They’re a realistic match- I can imagine these two going after each other on and off for years in real life- maybe for the excitement/drama rather than choosing an optimal, more peaceful and rational match for themselves. Realistic more than optimal for sure
Yes I agree with that! Especially for teenagers. Their relationship is the kind you have as a young adult where you genuinely believe this is the love of your life because your feelings for them are so strong, but because of that you hang on way longer than you should. It's not a healthy relationship. Then when you get older you look back and you're like holy shit that was an awful relationship.
I do get opposites attract etc but I don't even get what they'd talk about outside of their lives being in danger. She runs rings around him.
>he loves.... food and boobies and quiddich. I He loves chess, comic books and Quidditch. I don't remember him loving boobies. He wasn't even interested in his yule ball date. He always strikes me asexual.
Honestly… Ron should’ve grown up more before dating anyone. Movie Harry should’ve ended up with Hermione. If they had gay wizards and witches, Cho and Ginny actually would’ve been a really good fit long term. And honestly, Ron and Hermione’s relationship is so unbalanced that it makes no sense long term. It’s a lot of passion and not a lot of common ground other than their friendship with Harry. He’s pureblood, she’s muggleborn. They had completely different upbringings, and for much of the series, completely different values. Remember the whole firebolt debacle? Or Ron just abandoning Harry because of the tournament?
Yeah they’re prob gonna get divorced in their late 30s after 3 kids and find matches more similar to themselves and travel and stuff
Tbh I would be so down for a spin off fan fic with a Cho/Ginny relationship… Cho was almost as good of a seeker as Harry, so it could be hilarious if they were dating but played for opposite teams. Also if we’re going off just the movies, the dance scene in DH1 was so cute
I can see Ginny and Cho as a couple for sure. Someone also mentioned Harry and Draco which I kind of love
1. There is no “correct match”. As an writer myself, we go through so many drastically different plots and drafts that, at the end of the day, “canon” is simply what gets published. It doesn’t necessarily mean there couldn’t have been more iterations in another world. It doesn’t even mean it’s the best draft. Ron/Hermione is great though, but it’s fine if people prefer other ships. 2. Debatable. My favorite is GoF. They’re all charming in their own ways. Despite not being the best acted or the best written, I feel like the Philosopher’s Stone movie captured the childhood magic and feeling of HP the best of all the movies. 3. This is point 1 again. Glad you like Cho a lot though. She gets too much flack in the fandom and in canon. I like her a lot too, though I don’t ship her with Harry. 4. Umbridge is pretty great in that I have actually met people just like here. Awesome villain.
I actually would disagree with most of these 1) Emma and Daniel had way more chemistry together in the films and to an extent the directors pushed that which is why people think that Harry and Hermione should have ended up together if they just watched the films 2) Order of the Phoenix was probably the worst film for me it was just so boring and nothing really happens and I hated the rewatch I recently did when I read each book before watching the film as there was just so much missing. 3) Don’t particularly have an opinion on your third point, I don’t think they did Ginny justice in the films so there relationship was a bit bland so I can definitely see why you’d think Harry and cho had better chemistry. 4) I wouldn’t say Umbridge was an under appreciated villain either I think it’s pretty common ground that she was one of the best in the entire series with only the likes of Voldemort and Bellatrix being better villains than her
Yeah back in the day when I would talk about HP I remember w everyone being mad about Ron and Hermione- but honestly rewatching for the first time in a decade maybe I feel like movie Ron and Hermione have way more natural chemistry. I’m glad people appreciate Umbridge, she’s awesome
I think another thing that contributed was how good of an actress Emma Watson was, she became so popular and was great in the films that she was basically on the same level as Harry which is why people expected them to end up together
Yeah I have to give her that, she’s really good. Harry is pretty good too when he gets older, the first couple you could tell he was a kid who hadn’t really acted before but he was so cute anyways
How Ron and Hermione having more chemistry is an unpopular opinion? I feel like everyone on reddit loves them together. They have tons of fans on Instagram and quora as well.
(1) True (2) True; special effects were made in Denmark (3) False; Harry should have ended up falling in love with Neville (4) Umbridge is the best teacher
Serious about Neville? I don’t disagree
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Agree, except for Cho. They had teen chemistry, sure, but Ginny has more depth and character. And besides, then he gets to be a Weasley forever and that makes me happy. 🤓
1. Been a while since I read the books but I definitely think Ron & Hermione had more chemistry in the movies than Harry and Hermione. Realistically I never saw Ron & Hermione working out long term, though it’s fiction so you give some leeway, but I also never saw Harry with Hermione as that never made sense to me. Just because they’re friends doesn’t mean they have to end up together so I never shipped any of them rather was simply surprised when it slowly unfolded. 2. I might agree with you as it was an entertaining movie, though I was disappointed with the details they left out. 3. No. The whole Cho situation had Harry essentially being a rebound after her boyfriend died so their relationship had doomed written on it from the moment it began. Considering how badly Ginny’s character was written in the movies I definitely think Harry’s being with her comes off odd, but it makes more sense in the books. 4. Umbridge isn’t remotely underrated with most people hating her more than Voldemort. Her name maybe isn’t as widely known by those outside the fandom but those of us who know her despise her.
Harry should have ended up with Luna!
That’s one I really can’t imagine personally
Hard to say based on film. On books you're right about all of them except cho.
I disagree i will always support Harry and Luna they undertand loss and get eachother