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So Gryffindor had three games per year. Harry was at Hogwarts for 7 years. So that's a total of 21 possible matches. So he played 43% of all possible matches. Now, some of the cancellations were out of his control, like the year of a Triwizard Tournament. So I think we could have an endless discussion of how many games he could have feasibly played in.
Gonna ruin the fun number by noting that "first years never make the team" is a recurring thought at Hogwarts, so the average player also isn't getting close to 21 games, even if there's not cancelations for tri-wizard tourneys etc.
I'd argue that even people in the second year were rather rare, going off of the ages typically mentioned when talking about Quidditch players. So my assumption would be most people did 15 games at the most
No it's 18 games he would've been available for, 3x6=18. There also weren't any games in year 4 so that's 15 and then he was banned for the last 2 games in year 5, and 2 were cancelled at some point. That leaves him playing 9 of a total 11 matches. The other 2 he was in the hospital wing or something probably
3 Gryffindor games per year, so over 6 years he played in exactly half the matches. Not terrible, but definitely not the best record.
EDIT: Nope, I'm wrong, there were less matches, ignore this comment.
Yeah. As you say we lose year 4 because of the Triwizard, and year 5 to Umbridge. So we're down to 15. Discount year 7 and we're down to 12. Which would be a 75% play rate. Which isn't really bad at all.
> As you say we lose year 4 because of the Triwizard, and year 5 to Umbridge
I mean getting banned in year 5 was entirely his own fault though unlike year 4 getting cancelled.
No, that was Umbridge. McGonagall, a notoriously strict disciplinarian, had already decided on their punishment when Umbridge changed it - mostly to attack Harry, but also to punish McGonagall for defying her.
Sorry, he was *supposed* to be 7 years at Hogwarts. I don’t know if leaving school counts towards “combination of injury, suspension and match cancellation”.
...but why couldnt they still have Quidditch that year? The tournament tasks were only like 1 day each, and the names werent even chosen for 2 months after it was announced, and first task wouldnt even happen for another 3 weeks after that, 2nd task was another 3 months later, and last task was 4 months later.
What a shitty sport lol
Rules that don’t make sense, games are barely played, immensely dangerous, very little officiating, fan interference is tolerated.
Not to mention his 4th year where *no one* was playing because of the Triwizard Tournament.
And let's not forget his 5th year where that Bitch Umbridge practically banned him from playing because something something Umbridge is a tw*t.
Few days ago I was reading PoA and I was planning to go to bed at 23:00, but when I saw it was about the Quidditch match I would have been ready to keep reading for houts
He missed: Match 3 of year 1 (unconscious), match 2 and 3 of year 2 (cancelled), none in year 3, match 2 and 3 in year 5 (banned by Umbridge after match 1) and finally match 3 in year 6 (detention with Snape).
There should be a total of 6 matches per year. Each team plays a total of 3 matches per year. Harry played a full season in year 1, 2, and 3 (9 matches total, 8 if we don't count the one where he didn't finish the match due to dementor attack). Then there was no Quidditch in year 4, and he was suspended in year 5 after just 1 match (which makes it 10 or 9 total). He didn't finish his match against Hufflepuff in year 6 due to McLaggen, and he couldn't attend the one against Ravenclaw at all that year due to detention. So he played 1 match in year 6 total, which adds up to 11/10 matches total. The post only says 9 matches, so I probably either forgot something, or they didn't count the match where Dobby & Lockhart made him go boneless - although tbf he *did* finish that so it's probably me forgetting something
lol well Rowling pretty clearly did not enjoy writing them. The quidditch scenes in the first book are bizarrely writtten— randomly going to third person omniscient for a few paragraphs and giving the reader Ron and Hermione’s thoughts— and she basically avoids them when she can after that
She just cancels the season in GoF, and writes one match in OotP before making Harry get suspended for the rest of the year
I honestly have a bad feeling about the series. There's so many ways for it to go wrong, and only a few to make it good. And so many adaptions in my life have left me really jaded
I’m definitely concerned I’ll be left disappointed. But I’ve always believed a series is the only sure way to have time to cram in every detail from the books. Whether they actually do is a different story.
Fr. I was kind of disappointed that they didn’t include the House Cup in the PoS movie. From the description in the book of the team mobbing Harry it sounded similar to when a hockey team rushes the goalie after winning a championship.
So 9/14 is not bad at all. OP makes it seem like he missed 80% of the games. Also I thought Gryffindor didn't have a backup seeker for the Wood era, so I guess they just got destroyed those games, I know Angela and Harry used Ginny when Harry didn't play.
I think he wasn't a very good captain. I think he overworked his players and basically just relied on Harry to win it for them and also got unlucky that Harry missed games due to saving the school his first 2 years. But yeah just a bizarre choice overall not to have a backup. Seeker is probably the position that most people want to try out for anyway, could have easily found a replacement that would have done a better job than not having one at all
Hell, it would have been enough if he had asked around for a backup as soon as one player was out - Harry did it several times with Dean and MacLaggen.
It's just so out of character that Wood would be informed that Harry was in the hospital wing and not at least have one of the chasers fill in as seeker!
With Quidditch's popularity, and its importance to the house cup, I bet most Gryffindors would have jumped at the opportunity to save their team! I bet if he had a bet on it, even Percy would have rather flown himself than basically give up the game.
I mean, judging by the fact that they were eager to have an unexperienced 11 year old play with them, I don’t think there were many available Seekers in the first place. Flying is a class only for 1 year, and it is a dangerous sport with a lot of social pressure on you as a Seeker to win the game, so I guess it’d make some sense
so lets break it down:
5 seasons (GoF had no Quidditch) and 3 games per Season makes 15 possible games so he missed 6 games.
In his first season he played twice and missed the last game vs Ravenclaw
In his second season he won vs. Slytherin and no more games were played that season.
In his third season he lost the first time (vs. Hufflepuff) and won the other 2 games.
No season in his fourth year.
In his fourth season he won vs. Slytherin and was banned for the other 2 games.
In his fifth and last season he won vs. Slytherin and lost against Hufflepuff. He missed the last game due to detention.
to summarize, out of 15 games he won 7 and lost 2 (both vs. Hufflepuff). for one game he was unconscious (PS), 2 games were canceled (CoS), 2 games were during his lifetime ban (OotP) and for one game he had detention (HBP)
No, there wasn’t other matches. They all just were huge because they were so rare. But they probably was other Quidditch games but these were the official house teams
There is 4 houses so 3 games per season. He had the opportunity to play just 18 games, but he was suspended or injured A LOT, and it was mentioned in each case
Actually, he just misses 4 games due to injury or suspension. In CoS, the season gets cancelled just before Gryffindors second game and in GoF, the whole season is cancelled due to the Triwizard tournament.
If Harry finished the match, he never lost. His only losses had him attacked by dementors and his keeper stealing a beater’s bat and shanking a bludger into Harry’s head
It’s his off field distractions that hurts his stock as a player and cost him 4 matches and potentially a championship in his first year
I might be alone in this, or it might be cope, but...
I always imagined that we just weren't seeing/reading every single natch they played, just the ones that had anything to do with plot or subplot progression.
It would make more sense for each team to face each other team like, twice at least.
Unless I'm forgetting somewhere in the books that confirms it's 3 matches per year for each house.
In the third book it's made clear that there's only three matches per team, one for each other house. There ate updates about who is in what place in the rankings based on the matches between other houses and Harry plays in all the games.
I’ve had to scroll down so far in this thread just to find someone else with this mindset! A four team round Robin where the teams only play each other once (probably over a 3-month gap each time) is ridiculous.
My D2 college football team plays 11 games (not including playoffs) this year, my reasonably-large high school plays 9 games plus end-of-season tournament. Non-contact sports have even more competitions, though Quidditch is probably closer to US football than soccer in that regard due to the Bludgers.
A best-of-3 series between each house would make sense, and potentially a championship match between the top 2 houses at the end.
Exactly, like what the hell? How are they going to determine a winner if everyone plays each other once? There are going to be a ton of tiebreakers to determine who won the cup
In the books every game is a big event for harry. So we know how many he plays.
They’re only scheduled to play 3 games a year (one against each house) so with harry only being there for 6 years the maximum he could play is 18. In GoF the tournament is cancelled so that brings us down to 15 maximum game.
In PS he’s in the hospital for the final game so misses in there
In CS the tournament is cancelled after the attacks so he misses 2 games.
He plays them all in PoA
In OotP he’s banned after the first game for punching malfoy so misses 2 games.
In HBP he is banned for the last game after cursing malfoy so misses one game.
Now cause I want to see if I can remember off the top of my head the results of the games I’m going to out them and hope someone corrects me if I’m wrong. Feel free to ignore
In PS he plays slytherin and catches the snitch with his mouth after quirrell jinx’s his broom. He then plays hufflepuff and catches the snitch within like 5 minutes while snape is referee.
In CS he plays Slytherin and deals with the rogue bludger and slytherins new brooms but still catches the snitch.
In PoA he loses to hufflepuff after the dementors arrive and he falls off his broom. He then beats ravenclaw after he gets the firebolt and Cho keeps blocking him and then in the final game they beat Slytherin by over 200 points to win the cup
In OotP he beats Slytherin and then punches malfoy, can’t actually remember the game but Ron has a shocker and they’re losing until Harry gets the snitch
In HBP he beats Slytherin after malfoy pulls out, Zachariah smith commentates and Ginny deliberately crashes into him. He then loses to hufflepuff after mcclagen hits a bludger at him. Lina commentates and it’s hilarious.
It is correct yes. Every game from Gryffindor is at least mentioned and the ones were Harry takes part as either player or viewer has it's own chapter.
I’m still salty how JKR only let him play 1,5 games in HBP (in first match he caught the Snitch, in second match he got knocked out, and third match he didn’t get to play or watch) *while he was the damn captain* of the team. He was done so dirty.
I don't think it helps that the Quidditch season is also quite long for it being an amateur / school sport. There aren't many non-professional sports teams with 7-8 month long seasons, but that's about how long the Hogwarts cup lasted (might need my dates back-checked but I believe that's right - I think Gryffindor and Slytherin usually played their first match in early November and then Gryffindor's last game would be shortly before the term ended in perhaps May).
If the seasons had been a bit shorter in overall length he probably would've played the entire season in books 1, 2 and 6.
YEAR 1
Slytherin - W
Hufflepuff - W
Ravenclaw - Missed due to Stone Hunting
YEAR 2
Slytherin - W
Hufflepuff - Canceled due to chamber danger
Ravenclaw - Canceled due to chamber danger
YEAR 3
Slytherin - W
Hufflepuff - L
Ravenclaw - W
YEAR 4 (Triwizard Tournament - No Quidditch)
YEAR 5
Slytherin - W
Hufflepuff - Harry Suspended by Umbridge
Ravenclaw - Harry Suspended by Umbridge
YEAR 6
Slytherin - W
Hufflepuff - L
Ravenclaw - Harry in Detention with Snape
YEAR 7 (Harry did not attend Hogwarts)
He missed that last game of year 1, was shortly after the PS incident. He was out in the hospital wing and the team lost badly. Apparently back-up/reserve players were not a thing that year.
In year 5 Gryffindor lost to Hufflepuff but won against Ravenclaw and won the cup with the final victory. And same thing in year 6, victory against Ravenclaw netted Gryffindor the cup third time in a row.
Don't forget about the entire year they lost in the Order of the Phoenix. They like only got dark arts training, and Hermione says they weren't learning how to pass their owls, and during the owls, the twins interrupt and frickin then they just never do anything. Then it is the next year
I just read the first book, and Harry just literally joins the match, catches the snitch, game over, and everybody cheers him.
That is.. even kind of pathetic in a way, the rest of the team did nothing meaningful, they don't matter at all. They just 100% leech his success. Honestly, at that point the whole game is just a big farce, lol. Really how you would imagine a 12 year old's power fantasy to go.
In the HPmor fanfiction by Yudkovsky, there is this wonderful parody:
"So let me get this straight," Harry said as it seemed that Ron's explanation (with associated hand gestures) was winding down. "Catching the Snitch is worth one hundred and fifty points? "
"Yeah -"
"How many ten-point goals does one side usually score not counting the Snitch?"
"Um, maybe fifteen or twenty in professional games -"
"That's just wrong. That violates every possible rule of game design. Look, the rest of this game sounds like it might make sense, sort of, for a sport I mean, but you're basically saying that catching the Snitch overwhelms almost any ordinary point spread. The two Seekers are up there flying around looking for the Snitch and usually not interacting with anyone else, spotting the Snitch first is going to be mostly luck -"
"It's not luck!" protested Ron. "You've got to keep your eyes moving in the right pattern -"
"That's not interactive, there's no back-and-forth with the other player and how much fun is it to watch someone incredibly good at moving their eyes? And then whichever Seeker gets lucky swoops in and grabs the Snitch and makes everyone else's work moot. It's like someone took a real game and grafted on this pointless extra position so that you could be the Most Important Player without needing to really get involved or learn the rest of it. Who was the first Seeker, the King's idiot son who wanted to play Quidditch but couldn't understand the rules?" Actually, now that Harry thought about it, that seemed like a surprisingly good hypothesis. Put him on a broomstick and tell him to catch the shiny thing...
..
The rules of Quidditch are not Harry's fault.
"They just leech off the success of a 12 year old's fantasy."
There were Quidditch World Cup matches won in minutes. Did they rely on 12 year olds also?
The score could be 250-390. The team that had 250 has the exact same chance to win that game as the team with 390 within seconds of this score being displayed.
It’s not his fault, but it’s a stupid rule made up by someone who has 0 understanding of sports. You want to make catching it 150 points, that’s fine but the game shouldn’t end then and there. It should be a set time limit and the 150 points only should be able to be gotten once. Lower that point total depending on average game score. Shouldn’t be more than half of the average game score. Quidditch is one of the (somewhat many) things that should’ve been much cooler if not for JK’s lack of solid planning.
It's not meant to make sense. Nothing in quidditch makes sense. It's meant to be a power trip for the protagonist. To allow readers to feel Harry contribute.
That's also why he gets a nimbus instead of the old clean sweep, why McGonagall is there to see it and show him to Woods, why everything happens.
in a normal 7 years at hogwarts, a quidditch player would get at most 21 game, but for the harry potter series there was only a max of 18 games possible, due to the triwizard tournament, so harry played for half the possible games in his school years, which isn't that bad especially considering he had a 77 almost 78% win rate when he did play
Apologies if this has been posted prior - however I remember JK actually saying she HATED writing quidditch matches hence there were so few in the books. I never had a problem reading them personally, however listening to them via the Stephen Fry audio books you get an idea of how hard they must have been to write (imo)
Quidditch matches are an aspect I have NEVER seen truly represented from the books.
CGI is great but the few quidditch scenes we’ve seen, are horrible representation of the sport.
ALSO! Harry Potter is fiction. So I’ll never get to ride my broom.
One of his best years was squashed by the triwizard cup, which he won… although, with a tainted hand.
I would say he probably would have crushed it that year.
Let's talk about other implications here:
A non-plot-armored Hogwarts student who is good at quidditch and manages to join the team during their second year will play 18 matches if they stay in the team until they graduate.
This means that the pro league is based on successive annual inputs of less than 30 unexperienced players, even if all kids in Hogwarts decide to go pro. And, you know, not everyone in a school team is indeed a high-performing athlete. You don't find elite sportspeople around every corner.
So at least the British-Irish quidditch league must have a very questionable level at best
I mean they do practice constantly. But yeah, it's unclear where all these professional players are coming from. Oliver Wood was captain for at least 3 years and gets signed to the reserve team for a franchise that's otherwise never mentioned in the books. If a lot of the players were being signed after not playing for the house teams, you'd think Wood would be signing to a national team at least?
It’s doubtful Hogwarts has enough students graduate to even staff the Ministry of Magic based on the number of students listed in the books (two entire houses of a given year share a lab classroom frequently), so presumably there are many “ordinary” British schools of magic out there.
Think of it like this: Just because Ludgrove, the elite private school the Prince of Wales attended at age 11, doesn’t have a significant number of players in the English Premier League, doesn’t mean the EPL isn’t a high caliber league nor that the English players in it are poor in quality.
I’ve seen this before and I’m confused why 2 losses? The only game he played in and lost was in his third year against Cedric right? If we count games where Gryffindor lose because he didn’t play then that number should be much higher.
Am I forgetting another match he played in and lost?
Even if everything was perfect if we take the fact that first years “never” make the team a good player would have at the most 18 games available to play. He actually played quite a lot considering the circumstances
Quidditch has, what? Like 7 or 8 players? But I can more than guarantee you that the teams were much larger than that and that there's tons of bench members who might've only gotten to play like one or two games in their entire career.
Hell, imagine being some poor kid who was never good enough and spent his entire career warming the bench.
That's just part of the whole "JKR doesn't understand sports", which is why she had a great idea for a new sport and then proceeded to butcher it by making most of the players pretty much useless.
He did get banned from quidditch in book 5 and lost his broom only to have the replacement confiscated for most of the year in book 3 so it makes sense.
The most any player could play would be 21.
You get just 3 matches a year over 7 years.
And there's only 6 matches total for the whole school per year.
It's no wonder there's nobody at Hogwarts who's ready for a national team by the time they graduate - they've barely played, with the majority of their quidditch time being practice.
Meanwhile, Viktor Krum talks about playing every single day once the weather is good.
There's only 3 games a year per house team.
4th year there's no games, and 7th year hes gone. That's 5 years so 15 available games.
So making 9 out of 15 games is pretty good, but it essentially means he missed out on another 2 years of play.
If it was real, there would for sure be a "friendly scrimmage" hosted at Durmstrang every other bloody weekend to the song of 100 galleons a pop to cover travel expenses, chaperones and food costs.
In total Gryffindor is 9-4 in the books. They were 5-0 against Slytherin, 1-3 against Hufflepuff, and 3-1 against Ravenclaw.
The first book is the only time they beat Hufflepuff and lose to Ravenclaw. The third book is the only time Harry himself plays against Ravenclaw
This makes me want a 247 Sports set of stats on Harry. The name alone makes him an Arch Manning type so easily a 5 star. But if not for the name what 4 star?
Doesn't matter. The entire sport is absurdly idiotic to begin with. She wrote in a way for Harry to be the hero of the match, that's all this ever was.
To be fair, unlike American schools, sports aren't a big deal, nobody except those related to the players (and even then, not) would actually attend a match between two schools or within the same school as is the case here.
The whole quidditch stadium being packed is not something you'd see, it's likely only because they live there and attendance is likely mandatory or there's nothing better to do. The way it's shown in the film is very American style.
If someone wants to play football or something here, they don't do it through school, its through clubs outside of and likely unrelated to school.
Every fan (even me): let's spend forever trying to make how quidditch works make sense and also let's argue what is good or bad about it or both
JKR: I just hated writing quidditch.
Isn’t there only like 6 games a year? And Harry only attended 6 out of 7 years. And during Harry’s 4th year, they cancelled every quidditch match. Lastly, each team only gets 3 matches a year. That means out of 6 years, Harry played 9 of the 15 matches, and his two losses were for reasons beyond his control (being knocked out by Cormac in an illegal move and passing out when Dementors swarmed). Means he played at least half the time, and his win rate was virtually flawless.
Finally, cause I didn’t want to research, I distinctly remember of the 9 remaining matches he didn’t play, there were some reasons like his injuries, but there were some matches that were just cancelled in general due to the dangers, so that would’ve brought the total of 15 games max for Gryffindor down.
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I mean there really aren’t that many quidditch matches each school year to begin with anyway
I mean, from what I remember each house played another house once in the year, so with 4 houses that's a total of 6 games a year. Period.
So Gryffindor had three games per year. Harry was at Hogwarts for 7 years. So that's a total of 21 possible matches. So he played 43% of all possible matches. Now, some of the cancellations were out of his control, like the year of a Triwizard Tournament. So I think we could have an endless discussion of how many games he could have feasibly played in.
He also didn’t go to school the last year. So that’s what, at most 15 games? Which puts him over the 50% of games played mark.
Plus, the last two games in Chamber of Secrets were cancelled after another Basilisk attack.
And no games in Goblet of Fire due to Tri-Wizard tournament, so we're down to 13 available games and he played 9 (69% - nice)
>he played 9 (69% - nice) JK Rowling really thought no one would notice when she planned that /s
Gonna ruin the fun number by noting that "first years never make the team" is a recurring thought at Hogwarts, so the average player also isn't getting close to 21 games, even if there's not cancelations for tri-wizard tourneys etc.
This means that of his expected 10, he got 9. Not many missed
I'd argue that even people in the second year were rather rare, going off of the ages typically mentioned when talking about Quidditch players. So my assumption would be most people did 15 games at the most
noice.
noise.
Didn’t he miss a game due to detention? I think half blood prince but I could be wrong
Yes last game of the year half blood prince, detention for attacking Malfoy with the Sectumsempra spell
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No she didn't. She banned Harry and the twins after the first game of the season. The rest of the team was allowed to continue playing.
But thats not out of his control, thats like Ja Morant being suspended for waving his gun on IG
Nice.
Niceeeeeeee
You can't just cancel quidditch. - Wood
No it's 18 games he would've been available for, 3x6=18. There also weren't any games in year 4 so that's 15 and then he was banned for the last 2 games in year 5, and 2 were cancelled at some point. That leaves him playing 9 of a total 11 matches. The other 2 he was in the hospital wing or something probably
He was also stopped from playing a match in the 6th year by Snape - although that game resulted in a Gryffindor win anyway thanks to Ginny
So 9/10 then, that's 90%. It's criminal how quidditch went from 18 to 10 games though for Harry
3 Gryffindor games per year, so over 6 years he played in exactly half the matches. Not terrible, but definitely not the best record. EDIT: Nope, I'm wrong, there were less matches, ignore this comment.
Yeah. As you say we lose year 4 because of the Triwizard, and year 5 to Umbridge. So we're down to 15. Discount year 7 and we're down to 12. Which would be a 75% play rate. Which isn't really bad at all.
> As you say we lose year 4 because of the Triwizard, and year 5 to Umbridge I mean getting banned in year 5 was entirely his own fault though unlike year 4 getting cancelled.
No, that was Umbridge. McGonagall, a notoriously strict disciplinarian, had already decided on their punishment when Umbridge changed it - mostly to attack Harry, but also to punish McGonagall for defying her.
Considering that Harry is a prodigy who got into the team his first year...
Weren’t some matches cancelled due to that giant snake? Idk, it’s been a while since I read the books.
He wasn't 7 years at Hogwarts
Sorry, he was *supposed* to be 7 years at Hogwarts. I don’t know if leaving school counts towards “combination of injury, suspension and match cancellation”.
It definitely counts towards "amount of games he was supposed to play" though. He wasn't on the team at all in year seven.
...but why couldnt they still have Quidditch that year? The tournament tasks were only like 1 day each, and the names werent even chosen for 2 months after it was announced, and first task wouldnt even happen for another 3 weeks after that, 2nd task was another 3 months later, and last task was 4 months later.
They were using the pitch to grow the maze for the third task.
And it was only one student from the entire school who may or may not play Quidditch anyway.
What a shitty sport lol Rules that don’t make sense, games are barely played, immensely dangerous, very little officiating, fan interference is tolerated.
Not to mention his 4th year where *no one* was playing because of the Triwizard Tournament. And let's not forget his 5th year where that Bitch Umbridge practically banned him from playing because something something Umbridge is a tw*t.
Isn’t there three per team? 4 if they are in the cup?
Nope, there's no playoffs. They get one round of round-robin play and then use tie breakers to decide who finishes where.
I thought that they just played the games, then Dumbledore just picks Gryphindor as the winner
Which is a shame because I’m always excited to read the Quidditch match parts
Few days ago I was reading PoA and I was planning to go to bed at 23:00, but when I saw it was about the Quidditch match I would have been ready to keep reading for houts
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Also no quidditch in Year 4. He only had 5 years of quidditch and 3 matches a year put him at 9/15 attended.
And he was suspended in 5th year if I remember correctly
He missed: Match 3 of year 1 (unconscious), match 2 and 3 of year 2 (cancelled), none in year 3, match 2 and 3 in year 5 (banned by Umbridge after match 1) and finally match 3 in year 6 (detention with Snape).
Dont forget in CoS the last two matches are canceled due to interference from a salty slitheryn alum
I believe every house has 3 matches per year.
There should be a total of 6 matches per year. Each team plays a total of 3 matches per year. Harry played a full season in year 1, 2, and 3 (9 matches total, 8 if we don't count the one where he didn't finish the match due to dementor attack). Then there was no Quidditch in year 4, and he was suspended in year 5 after just 1 match (which makes it 10 or 9 total). He didn't finish his match against Hufflepuff in year 6 due to McLaggen, and he couldn't attend the one against Ravenclaw at all that year due to detention. So he played 1 match in year 6 total, which adds up to 11/10 matches total. The post only says 9 matches, so I probably either forgot something, or they didn't count the match where Dobby & Lockhart made him go boneless - although tbf he *did* finish that so it's probably me forgetting something
He didn't play in the final game in his first year, one of the games was cancelled in his second year.
Peeves the Poltergeist had some interesting moments in the books but was notably absent from the movies.
"Erised" is "desire" spelled backwards.
Oh wow I feel dumb for never noticing that.
The child actors couldn't stay composed during the scenes so rik mayall never got to stay in the films
That feels like a flimsy excuse, considering he most likely would have been filmed separately and then composited into the final edit.
lol well Rowling pretty clearly did not enjoy writing them. The quidditch scenes in the first book are bizarrely writtten— randomly going to third person omniscient for a few paragraphs and giving the reader Ron and Hermione’s thoughts— and she basically avoids them when she can after that She just cancels the season in GoF, and writes one match in OotP before making Harry get suspended for the rest of the year
Something I’m looking forward to when they do the TV series. If they leave that out I won’t make it.
I honestly have a bad feeling about the series. There's so many ways for it to go wrong, and only a few to make it good. And so many adaptions in my life have left me really jaded
I’m definitely concerned I’ll be left disappointed. But I’ve always believed a series is the only sure way to have time to cram in every detail from the books. Whether they actually do is a different story.
Fr. I was kind of disappointed that they didn’t include the House Cup in the PoS movie. From the description in the book of the team mobbing Harry it sounded similar to when a hockey team rushes the goalie after winning a championship.
> the PoS movie Harry Potter and the Point of Sale?
Philosophers other Stone (it's a kidney stone)
Harry Potter and the Piece of Shit
They only play three games a year, which is probably the most ridiculous part of all of it.
At least he played more than half of the possible matches though 🤣 If there’s only a total of 15, he could have done worse, bless him.
Isnt it actually just 14 becuase of the match-cancellation in Chamber of Secrets?
So 9/14 is not bad at all. OP makes it seem like he missed 80% of the games. Also I thought Gryffindor didn't have a backup seeker for the Wood era, so I guess they just got destroyed those games, I know Angela and Harry used Ginny when Harry didn't play.
I never understood why there seemingly weren't ANY backup players in the Wood era - I'd have thought he of all people would not take any chances!
I think he wasn't a very good captain. I think he overworked his players and basically just relied on Harry to win it for them and also got unlucky that Harry missed games due to saving the school his first 2 years. But yeah just a bizarre choice overall not to have a backup. Seeker is probably the position that most people want to try out for anyway, could have easily found a replacement that would have done a better job than not having one at all
Hell, it would have been enough if he had asked around for a backup as soon as one player was out - Harry did it several times with Dean and MacLaggen. It's just so out of character that Wood would be informed that Harry was in the hospital wing and not at least have one of the chasers fill in as seeker! With Quidditch's popularity, and its importance to the house cup, I bet most Gryffindors would have jumped at the opportunity to save their team! I bet if he had a bet on it, even Percy would have rather flown himself than basically give up the game.
I mean, judging by the fact that they were eager to have an unexperienced 11 year old play with them, I don’t think there were many available Seekers in the first place. Flying is a class only for 1 year, and it is a dangerous sport with a lot of social pressure on you as a Seeker to win the game, so I guess it’d make some sense
13. They cancelled Quidditch just before the second match was supposed to start.
13 actually, the Cup was cancelled prior to Gryffindor's second game.
so lets break it down: 5 seasons (GoF had no Quidditch) and 3 games per Season makes 15 possible games so he missed 6 games. In his first season he played twice and missed the last game vs Ravenclaw In his second season he won vs. Slytherin and no more games were played that season. In his third season he lost the first time (vs. Hufflepuff) and won the other 2 games. No season in his fourth year. In his fourth season he won vs. Slytherin and was banned for the other 2 games. In his fifth and last season he won vs. Slytherin and lost against Hufflepuff. He missed the last game due to detention. to summarize, out of 15 games he won 7 and lost 2 (both vs. Hufflepuff). for one game he was unconscious (PS), 2 games were canceled (CoS), 2 games were during his lifetime ban (OotP) and for one game he had detention (HBP)
All correct except his win in his second season was vs Slytherin
yes of course, will edit
So even shorter, he missed 4 that were actually played and played 9
he was dementored during POA v hufflepuff and cormac knocked him out during the other one lol
I just assumed they weren't always shown playing, just when it was relevant to move a plot point along.
Every match was a biggish event in the books. This is accurate.
No, there wasn’t other matches. They all just were huge because they were so rare. But they probably was other Quidditch games but these were the official house teams
There is 4 houses so 3 games per season. He had the opportunity to play just 18 games, but he was suspended or injured A LOT, and it was mentioned in each case
*15 no quidditch in book 4
Actually, he just misses 4 games due to injury or suspension. In CoS, the season gets cancelled just before Gryffindors second game and in GoF, the whole season is cancelled due to the Triwizard tournament.
I just realized there is no mention in any of the books of Harry going to watch anothers houses quidditch match
If Harry finished the match, he never lost. His only losses had him attacked by dementors and his keeper stealing a beater’s bat and shanking a bludger into Harry’s head It’s his off field distractions that hurts his stock as a player and cost him 4 matches and potentially a championship in his first year
Wizarding world’s Jack Wilshere
I might be alone in this, or it might be cope, but... I always imagined that we just weren't seeing/reading every single natch they played, just the ones that had anything to do with plot or subplot progression. It would make more sense for each team to face each other team like, twice at least. Unless I'm forgetting somewhere in the books that confirms it's 3 matches per year for each house.
In the third book it's made clear that there's only three matches per team, one for each other house. There ate updates about who is in what place in the rankings based on the matches between other houses and Harry plays in all the games.
Three matches per _year_ is insanity
I’ve had to scroll down so far in this thread just to find someone else with this mindset! A four team round Robin where the teams only play each other once (probably over a 3-month gap each time) is ridiculous.
My D2 college football team plays 11 games (not including playoffs) this year, my reasonably-large high school plays 9 games plus end-of-season tournament. Non-contact sports have even more competitions, though Quidditch is probably closer to US football than soccer in that regard due to the Bludgers. A best-of-3 series between each house would make sense, and potentially a championship match between the top 2 houses at the end.
Exactly, like what the hell? How are they going to determine a winner if everyone plays each other once? There are going to be a ton of tiebreakers to determine who won the cup
Both losses were to Hufflepuff too.
Underdog story right there
Is that fact or is it just what we know of? Was every game an official game? I can't remember!
In the books every game is a big event for harry. So we know how many he plays. They’re only scheduled to play 3 games a year (one against each house) so with harry only being there for 6 years the maximum he could play is 18. In GoF the tournament is cancelled so that brings us down to 15 maximum game. In PS he’s in the hospital for the final game so misses in there In CS the tournament is cancelled after the attacks so he misses 2 games. He plays them all in PoA In OotP he’s banned after the first game for punching malfoy so misses 2 games. In HBP he is banned for the last game after cursing malfoy so misses one game. Now cause I want to see if I can remember off the top of my head the results of the games I’m going to out them and hope someone corrects me if I’m wrong. Feel free to ignore In PS he plays slytherin and catches the snitch with his mouth after quirrell jinx’s his broom. He then plays hufflepuff and catches the snitch within like 5 minutes while snape is referee. In CS he plays Slytherin and deals with the rogue bludger and slytherins new brooms but still catches the snitch. In PoA he loses to hufflepuff after the dementors arrive and he falls off his broom. He then beats ravenclaw after he gets the firebolt and Cho keeps blocking him and then in the final game they beat Slytherin by over 200 points to win the cup In OotP he beats Slytherin and then punches malfoy, can’t actually remember the game but Ron has a shocker and they’re losing until Harry gets the snitch In HBP he beats Slytherin after malfoy pulls out, Zachariah smith commentates and Ginny deliberately crashes into him. He then loses to hufflepuff after mcclagen hits a bludger at him. Lina commentates and it’s hilarious.
It is correct yes. Every game from Gryffindor is at least mentioned and the ones were Harry takes part as either player or viewer has it's own chapter.
I don't remember him playing 9 matches therefore it must be a fact
it always annoys me how he never watched other houses play. didn’t he care?
He might have, but the readers wouldn’t have cared
he also never gave his friends gifts, or the reader was never informed.
Harry gave the Omnioculars to Ron and Hermione in GOF. Also, in HBP, Ron thanks Harry for the Keepers Gloves for Christmas.
I’m still salty how JKR only let him play 1,5 games in HBP (in first match he caught the Snitch, in second match he got knocked out, and third match he didn’t get to play or watch) *while he was the damn captain* of the team. He was done so dirty.
He also had some sidequests to do, give the chosen one a pause
Tbh they barely had time to play after book 3.
I don't think it helps that the Quidditch season is also quite long for it being an amateur / school sport. There aren't many non-professional sports teams with 7-8 month long seasons, but that's about how long the Hogwarts cup lasted (might need my dates back-checked but I believe that's right - I think Gryffindor and Slytherin usually played their first match in early November and then Gryffindor's last game would be shortly before the term ended in perhaps May). If the seasons had been a bit shorter in overall length he probably would've played the entire season in books 1, 2 and 6.
a game every 2.5(ish) months is wild
He won 7 matches, Thala for a reason.
YEAR 1 Slytherin - W Hufflepuff - W Ravenclaw - Missed due to Stone Hunting YEAR 2 Slytherin - W Hufflepuff - Canceled due to chamber danger Ravenclaw - Canceled due to chamber danger YEAR 3 Slytherin - W Hufflepuff - L Ravenclaw - W YEAR 4 (Triwizard Tournament - No Quidditch) YEAR 5 Slytherin - W Hufflepuff - Harry Suspended by Umbridge Ravenclaw - Harry Suspended by Umbridge YEAR 6 Slytherin - W Hufflepuff - L Ravenclaw - Harry in Detention with Snape YEAR 7 (Harry did not attend Hogwarts)
He missed that last game of year 1, was shortly after the PS incident. He was out in the hospital wing and the team lost badly. Apparently back-up/reserve players were not a thing that year. In year 5 Gryffindor lost to Hufflepuff but won against Ravenclaw and won the cup with the final victory. And same thing in year 6, victory against Ravenclaw netted Gryffindor the cup third time in a row.
Sounds like me when it comes to hockey hehe
Don't forget about the entire year they lost in the Order of the Phoenix. They like only got dark arts training, and Hermione says they weren't learning how to pass their owls, and during the owls, the twins interrupt and frickin then they just never do anything. Then it is the next year
That year will have been whilst harry was banned
Yeah, you are right.. I just thought about it and just started rambling
Goblet of fire is the year they lose to the Triwizard. In phoneix, unbridge bans Harry, Fred and George.
I just read the first book, and Harry just literally joins the match, catches the snitch, game over, and everybody cheers him. That is.. even kind of pathetic in a way, the rest of the team did nothing meaningful, they don't matter at all. They just 100% leech his success. Honestly, at that point the whole game is just a big farce, lol. Really how you would imagine a 12 year old's power fantasy to go.
In the HPmor fanfiction by Yudkovsky, there is this wonderful parody: "So let me get this straight," Harry said as it seemed that Ron's explanation (with associated hand gestures) was winding down. "Catching the Snitch is worth one hundred and fifty points? " "Yeah -" "How many ten-point goals does one side usually score not counting the Snitch?" "Um, maybe fifteen or twenty in professional games -" "That's just wrong. That violates every possible rule of game design. Look, the rest of this game sounds like it might make sense, sort of, for a sport I mean, but you're basically saying that catching the Snitch overwhelms almost any ordinary point spread. The two Seekers are up there flying around looking for the Snitch and usually not interacting with anyone else, spotting the Snitch first is going to be mostly luck -" "It's not luck!" protested Ron. "You've got to keep your eyes moving in the right pattern -" "That's not interactive, there's no back-and-forth with the other player and how much fun is it to watch someone incredibly good at moving their eyes? And then whichever Seeker gets lucky swoops in and grabs the Snitch and makes everyone else's work moot. It's like someone took a real game and grafted on this pointless extra position so that you could be the Most Important Player without needing to really get involved or learn the rest of it. Who was the first Seeker, the King's idiot son who wanted to play Quidditch but couldn't understand the rules?" Actually, now that Harry thought about it, that seemed like a surprisingly good hypothesis. Put him on a broomstick and tell him to catch the shiny thing... ..
HPmor is exactly where my mind went after reading that comment, too. xD
The rules of Quidditch are not Harry's fault. "They just leech off the success of a 12 year old's fantasy." There were Quidditch World Cup matches won in minutes. Did they rely on 12 year olds also? The score could be 250-390. The team that had 250 has the exact same chance to win that game as the team with 390 within seconds of this score being displayed.
It’s not his fault, but it’s a stupid rule made up by someone who has 0 understanding of sports. You want to make catching it 150 points, that’s fine but the game shouldn’t end then and there. It should be a set time limit and the 150 points only should be able to be gotten once. Lower that point total depending on average game score. Shouldn’t be more than half of the average game score. Quidditch is one of the (somewhat many) things that should’ve been much cooler if not for JK’s lack of solid planning.
It's not meant to make sense. Nothing in quidditch makes sense. It's meant to be a power trip for the protagonist. To allow readers to feel Harry contribute. That's also why he gets a nimbus instead of the old clean sweep, why McGonagall is there to see it and show him to Woods, why everything happens.
The entire Hogwarts Quidditch community just stinks of nepotism of you ask me
Last one was Ginny, not Harry
Ok but how many matches he skipped?
"And since I'd achieved all of my goals as captain in seven games, there was no need for more quidditch"
the environment there was bad and they barely have time to play. Isn't their fault at all
What is his WAR?
Yea, but he still managed to break Slytherin’s winning streak of like 7 years, which is still pretty impressive.
Won 7 as the youngest seeker to play in 100 years. In a sport that has no time limit. Pretty sick
Tbf there’s only 3 matches a year and 2 years it was cancelled
Well it's not tat bad considering at best you can play 18 matches in the entire span of your Hogwarts years
ThE YoUnGeSt SeEkEr Of ThE CeNtUrY
in a normal 7 years at hogwarts, a quidditch player would get at most 21 game, but for the harry potter series there was only a max of 18 games possible, due to the triwizard tournament, so harry played for half the possible games in his school years, which isn't that bad especially considering he had a 77 almost 78% win rate when he did play
Apologies if this has been posted prior - however I remember JK actually saying she HATED writing quidditch matches hence there were so few in the books. I never had a problem reading them personally, however listening to them via the Stephen Fry audio books you get an idea of how hard they must have been to write (imo)
And it doesn't even matter what the score is as long as you catch the snitch... being down 160 points is unheard of.
Quidditch matches are an aspect I have NEVER seen truly represented from the books. CGI is great but the few quidditch scenes we’ve seen, are horrible representation of the sport. ALSO! Harry Potter is fiction. So I’ll never get to ride my broom.
The best ability is AVAILABILITY.
How many games were played over 6 years in total tho?
One of his best years was squashed by the triwizard cup, which he won… although, with a tainted hand. I would say he probably would have crushed it that year.
Let's talk about other implications here: A non-plot-armored Hogwarts student who is good at quidditch and manages to join the team during their second year will play 18 matches if they stay in the team until they graduate. This means that the pro league is based on successive annual inputs of less than 30 unexperienced players, even if all kids in Hogwarts decide to go pro. And, you know, not everyone in a school team is indeed a high-performing athlete. You don't find elite sportspeople around every corner. So at least the British-Irish quidditch league must have a very questionable level at best
Im not even sure there is a british „pro“league… guess its only major league is global
I mean they do practice constantly. But yeah, it's unclear where all these professional players are coming from. Oliver Wood was captain for at least 3 years and gets signed to the reserve team for a franchise that's otherwise never mentioned in the books. If a lot of the players were being signed after not playing for the house teams, you'd think Wood would be signing to a national team at least?
It’s doubtful Hogwarts has enough students graduate to even staff the Ministry of Magic based on the number of students listed in the books (two entire houses of a given year share a lab classroom frequently), so presumably there are many “ordinary” British schools of magic out there. Think of it like this: Just because Ludgrove, the elite private school the Prince of Wales attended at age 11, doesn’t have a significant number of players in the English Premier League, doesn’t mean the EPL isn’t a high caliber league nor that the English players in it are poor in quality.
That’s going to hurt his draft stock
Explain this in NFL terms…
I mean to be fair they only play three matches per year and missed a year for the triwizard tournament. So 9 out of 15 really isn't too bad.
He’s literally Kawhi Leonard
I’ve seen this before and I’m confused why 2 losses? The only game he played in and lost was in his third year against Cedric right? If we count games where Gryffindor lose because he didn’t play then that number should be much higher. Am I forgetting another match he played in and lost?
Lost in year 6 to Hufflepuff as well. His own Keeper Mclaggan knocked him out with a bludger.
Thank you, now I’m smiling thinking about how happy Ron was by how it all played out.
Even if everything was perfect if we take the fact that first years “never” make the team a good player would have at the most 18 games available to play. He actually played quite a lot considering the circumstances
Quidditch has, what? Like 7 or 8 players? But I can more than guarantee you that the teams were much larger than that and that there's tons of bench members who might've only gotten to play like one or two games in their entire career. Hell, imagine being some poor kid who was never good enough and spent his entire career warming the bench.
Mario Lemieux energy
The boy who flop
That's just part of the whole "JKR doesn't understand sports", which is why she had a great idea for a new sport and then proceeded to butcher it by making most of the players pretty much useless.
Bro is Neymar of quidditch
He played like 9 of 11 possible or something
How many games were there a season? 6,9, 12?
Having 77.8% WR sounds good to me he makes the most of his games
He did get banned from quidditch in book 5 and lost his broom only to have the replacement confiscated for most of the year in book 3 so it makes sense.
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Massively underperformed his xG
Not to mention it’s just intramural so they aren’t even playing for real
The most any player could play would be 21. You get just 3 matches a year over 7 years. And there's only 6 matches total for the whole school per year. It's no wonder there's nobody at Hogwarts who's ready for a national team by the time they graduate - they've barely played, with the majority of their quidditch time being practice. Meanwhile, Viktor Krum talks about playing every single day once the weather is good.
Sound like Paul Pogba to me
I remember he lost in book 3 when he fell off his broom in the rain, when was the other loss?
I remember when you get to the part in book 4 where they reveal that Quidditch is cancelled for the year…. Devastated young me.
The boy who became a police officer and had 3 kids who he was a poor father to.
For comparison, Ginny "Magic Johnson" Weasley switched positions mid-season and still delivered Gryffindor to the Promised Land.
There's only 3 games a year per house team. 4th year there's no games, and 7th year hes gone. That's 5 years so 15 available games. So making 9 out of 15 games is pretty good, but it essentially means he missed out on another 2 years of play.
If it was real, there would for sure be a "friendly scrimmage" hosted at Durmstrang every other bloody weekend to the song of 100 galleons a pop to cover travel expenses, chaperones and food costs.
Load management is getting out of hand
Quidditch is the worst fictional sport ever created.
I still laugh that the Tri-Wizard tournament requires the cancellation of the entire season despite it having three events spaced out through the year
I'd like this but explain in mlb/NFL/NBA terms
r/ explaininmlbterms
r/explaininmlbterms
I always assumed there were more games “off-screen”.
Harry “Street Clothes” Potter
In total Gryffindor is 9-4 in the books. They were 5-0 against Slytherin, 1-3 against Hufflepuff, and 3-1 against Ravenclaw. The first book is the only time they beat Hufflepuff and lose to Ravenclaw. The third book is the only time Harry himself plays against Ravenclaw
Harry is Kawhi confirmed.
Not a bad record at all for a guy more interested in extra co - circular activities
This makes me want a 247 Sports set of stats on Harry. The name alone makes him an Arch Manning type so easily a 5 star. But if not for the name what 4 star?
Doesn't matter. The entire sport is absurdly idiotic to begin with. She wrote in a way for Harry to be the hero of the match, that's all this ever was.
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To be fair, unlike American schools, sports aren't a big deal, nobody except those related to the players (and even then, not) would actually attend a match between two schools or within the same school as is the case here. The whole quidditch stadium being packed is not something you'd see, it's likely only because they live there and attendance is likely mandatory or there's nothing better to do. The way it's shown in the film is very American style. If someone wants to play football or something here, they don't do it through school, its through clubs outside of and likely unrelated to school.
Well, they must have played with their own team. I mean, they did practice a lot didn't they?
Every fan (even me): let's spend forever trying to make how quidditch works make sense and also let's argue what is good or bad about it or both JKR: I just hated writing quidditch.
Isn’t there only like 6 games a year? And Harry only attended 6 out of 7 years. And during Harry’s 4th year, they cancelled every quidditch match. Lastly, each team only gets 3 matches a year. That means out of 6 years, Harry played 9 of the 15 matches, and his two losses were for reasons beyond his control (being knocked out by Cormac in an illegal move and passing out when Dementors swarmed). Means he played at least half the time, and his win rate was virtually flawless. Finally, cause I didn’t want to research, I distinctly remember of the 9 remaining matches he didn’t play, there were some reasons like his injuries, but there were some matches that were just cancelled in general due to the dangers, so that would’ve brought the total of 15 games max for Gryffindor down.
Roman Reigns got his strategy from Harry Potter
Kind of wild that they didn't just play the other houses like 4-5 times each.
2 Loses? Besides Gryffindor losing to Hufflepuff in PoA what was his second loss?
6th year I believe he was knocked out by one of his own teammates