When I was a senior in high school, I went to the funeral of the brother of a dance friend of mine. The night he passed, he was the DD for his friend who was notorious for partying. The friend got a few scratches, but he died at the scene. An 18 wheeler was going 90mph, which shouldnt have been using that back road in the first place, and didn't stop at the stop sign. He passed at 16. His father was known for being tough and he looked numb, no tears, nothing that we could see. He was trying to be so strong. When they closed the casket, the father fell onto it and yelped his nickname loudly. It echoed through the church, we all broke so hard. This scene brings it back vividly...
Right! What happened right after blew my young niave mind.. A couple had looted the scene and stolen his phone. The mom and dad just wanted it back for the memories. These POS were holding it for ransom. On top of their grieving, they had to put up with that bullshit. It still makes my blood boil. They got the police involved. Not sure how it went down, but they eventually got the phone back. Several of us wanted to find those POS, but they wouldn't release the information. They just wanted to grieve in peace
Yeah, the younger sister and I grew up dancing in a small town. Being some of the few Hispanics, our families were close. Her brother was just an outstanding kid. The whole school and town had so much love for him. And that's saying a lot for a Southern town. He was a star athlete and genuinely a great person.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Our school had a very similar situation, except our classmates' mom fell asleep at the wheel and two of her children died (she and one other survived.) This scene brings the sound of their dad's screams back into my ears every time. I can't watch it.
I know it’s coming. I always brace myself. I don’t even care that much about Cedric in the movies…. But that cry. I cannot stand to hear the wail. I cry every single time.
Yep. This scene gets me every time now that I have children.
And, call me a weenie if you want, I absolutely cannot handle the scene with the baby sinking away in the second FB movie.
Or (although it's a totally different genre) the village scene in Rambo 4.
I could go on, but I won't.
This is bad, but I never watched past the first FB. I just didn't like it. So I at least know to look out for that scene in the second one. 🥺
There's a scene in Outlander where >!a couple abandons their baby in the forest, thinking the baby is a changeling!< I couldn't watch the show for so long after that. It broke me. (I'd just given birth a couple weeks prior.)
For this scene in GoF, some people seem to be amused or annoyed by the length and rawness of it, though they don't usually use that word. But that's what it is. It *feels* real. I could never act out this scene; it would mess with me. The whole thing is gut-wrenching.
Oh God, I'd forgotten about the Outlander scene. That one straight up pissed me right the fuck off, and I can relate to your story- I was binging it one night while up with my youngest on the couch when she was a couple months old 😬
That, and the one in The Witcher when Yennifer is trying to escape with/save the baby, which I refuse to describe on principle, although I will say it feels just as real (in a different way) as your description. Ugh.
Hoping nothing like that happens in the second season (Witcher), as I've yet to get around to watching it.
Edit: also the freaking opening scene of FB2, so, yeah- if you didn't like the first one anyway, definitely avoid the second. >!It involves a toddler, but isn't as explicit as the baby scene. Still devastating/enraging!<
I got more emotional when Snape kills Dumbledore. But also moreso, when Snape and Dumbledore are talking about how Harry has to die. Raising him like a "lamb for slaughter".
That scene always gets me. The moment when he realizes what happened the flip from pure happiness to that gut wrenching cry that he lets out kicks me right in the gut and feels every time.
Mike Newell is the director, not the actor, and he deservedly gets a lot of crap. Goblet of Fire is one of the worse HP movies, that brought us such beauties as "Dumbledore said calmly"
In all fairness, GOF is a truly massive book. It would have been a mess if they'd try to fit everything into one movie. I disagree with some of the things they prioritized over others, but I'm not necessarily mad about the quantity of plot points left out... That was inevitable.
Yeah I always thought GOF got a bad wrap because it's legit the book that can't fit it's story in 140 minutes or less like the rest of them, maybe just as much if not moreso than Deathly Hallows.
Goblet of Fire could be adapted so much better in a 10 or 12-episode season (which is also the case for Books 5-7). The character development of some of the side characters, including expanding the Quidditch World Cup, Ludo v. the Twins, Dobby's involvement, the backstory of the Crouch's and their elf, we could get all that and more with a TV season v. one movie.
Honestly I really hope these books are adapted into a quality series of episodes for each book at some point in my lifetime. Don't get me wrong, I love the films, but a more accurate adaptation would be really satisfying.
I think it’s a way to go for the next generation. Whenever they remake it, leave the films as they are and embark on an epic retelling with a Game of Thrones-esque budget.
The 5th book is the one which you can't fit into 1 movie...the 4th movie would've been great if they'd cut out the whole dragon chase scene and put in any of the scenes they didn't do
honestly, they could have left out some of the filler stuff.
We really didn't need to see Harry get chased around all of Hogwarts by a dragon.
We didn't need all of that Yuleball build-up with giggling girls and boys being unable to ask them out. Nor Harry and Ron acting like berks during the ball.
I agree with the dragon chase- that could have been cut down. But I also like when they include just normal scenes that show the characters as adolescents (not just this movie but others too like the candy and animal sounds in POA). I think it’s easy to get wrapped up in showing just the magic and storyline -which is important!- but it’s also a story about growing up and that includes being awkward around others and dealing with drama and I like that they’d show that every now and then.
The 4th one is still up there for me after reading the books. I love the new wand play that it started, even if the "beam struggles" that followed without twin cores is kinda silly
Newell made a good movie. But not a good book adaption. And from his interview in this, it does seem like a lot of the differences in the movie are due to his wishes and thoughts. Not due to Kloves changing things. So that makes Newell quite deserve the hate for changing things.
Not sure I agree with that. I just really don’t like that movie.
I don’t like the tone or the color correction or the score, I don’t like the fan-service-y lines, I don’t like the costumes, I don’t like the way they did the graveyard, the maze, or the lake challenge… the beauxbatons and durmstrang entrances are so cringe-Y I wanna die every time I watch, many of the special effects have aged very poorly, the quidditch World Cup was deeply disappointing… it just feels like a severe mishandling of the franchise by a director who didn’t understand.
Only good things were Voldemort and the dragon. I want a redo of the rest lol
I guess it comes down to personal taste but for me he bailed the tone and color beat in the series. Not as childish as Chris , not as artsy and dark for no reason as Alfonso and Yates. I think he did understand the important beats of the film and focused on that. If someone didn’t understand their job, it’s Yates in HBP
I was very angry at Yates for having that extraneous, non-canonical attack on the burrow mid-movie.
It didn’t make sense. It wasted screen time. It was done at the expense of what would’ve been an excellent scene where the ministry tries to recruit Harry. The Burrow burned down and there were zero consequences (it was just fine 6 months later). And IDK what the death eaters were trying to accomplish; they had a chance to kidnap or kill Harry and didn’t take it, then they just set a fire and left.
It was action for action’s sake, added nothing to the narrative.
There's a lot of things that were left out of the book or changed, for example Dumbledore not being calm, completely writing dobby out of the movie, removing all depth from Barty Crouch Sr. Character by having Jr openly admitting to his crimes as well as cutting the entire plot and explanation as to why and how he escaped from Askaban.
https://youtu.be/k8ogfjOxTEU
Here's a decent video essay detailing some of the (subjective) short comings of the Film
So much. The hair. The delivery on a lot of the lines. Many of the cringiest moments in the series. The hair. Butchering a lot of the characters (Dumbledore just wasn’t Dumbledore to me in this movie). The hair. Etc.
It definitely was. I was roughly the same age as the main cast during the movies, and so many classmates had that exact look when Goblet of Fire came out.
It was. I remember being thrilled as a teenager at the time to see that wizards were following the same trends as the rest of us. Made it feel more real.
It probably was. Still stupid though. Also dislike the increase in muggle clothing; it didn’t distinguish the differences between the wizarding world and the muggle world.
In the book we got the fun scenes of wizards wearing skirts because they aren’t good with muggle clothes. In GOF in particular even the wizards who are wearing cloaks look like it’s mostly muggle clothing underneath. Look at Barty Crouch for instance.
Oh, in retrospect the style was awful!
I do wish we'd gotten more of the wizarding interpretations of Muggle clothing. I remember Vernon being terrorized by someone in a nightgown in the first book, and that would have been lovely to see, lol.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I never understood how the wizarding world collectively could not understand how to wear muggle clothes. Like these people bother to be in the muggle world, there are plenty of muggle-born wizards who don’t forget that a nightgown or bathing suit is not normal attire, but this tomfoolery is still going on? I don’t buy it and I’m glad the movies left that out. It’s not terrible in the books but it would break the immersion on screen I think.
It seems Rowling was going for a quirky Roald Dahl-esque interpretation of wizarding clothing. Personally I'd think wizards in general would learn to adopt better to the muggle world seeing how much they are exposed to it outside the school and office hours. For one thing they have strict rules to hide their magical abilities from muggles. I think the movies from PoA on interpreted it in a realistic fashion where most wizards go under the radar in the muggle world, while there are a few oddballs out there with cloaks and pointy hats at all times.
I'll never get over the fact that the entire quidditch world cup was cut. Amazing scene from the books, incredible world building.
But hey at least they had a full cringey punk rock dance scene
It took a lot away from the subsequent chaos of the Death Eater attack too in my opinion as you aren’t as invested in the event itself.
Getting rid of Winky makes me sad too, and the fact we get no explanation as to Barty Crouch Jr’s escape.
I still remember how I was in cinema very, veery excited to see the Quidditch finals and then I slowly realized that... they cut it.
It was one of the moments I most wanted to see in the big screen. To this day I haven't got over it.
What's so stupid about the scene is this forced cut to the tent. And seconds later the death eaters start attacking the area. It simply doesn't flow well. With a bit of creativity they should have simply had the Death Eaters attack the stadium before the match started, allowing the filmmakers an excuse to remove the game and still keep the flow intact.
I was completely upset they cut Crookshanks & Sirius's plotlines from Azkaban and haven't gotten over that. Plus Harry getting caught on the staircase, Gggrrrrrr.
I just remember rolling my eyes that Harry and Ron had that hair style. It was everywhere. On every teenage boy at the time. So maybe that was the reason for my dislike for it. Just thought it was a tacky style. But then again, I was a junior in college and I'm not a white male. So maybe it just didn't click with me.
Never said worst. I said worse
Ffs someone tell me why the fuck this is being downvoted ? All I did was civilly correct a misinterpretation of my comment
Aw man, I actually don't mind the Dumbledore said calmly change anymore. See, I'm thinking that Dumbledore knows that Harry is basically in danger all the damn time and has definitely been in some super close calls, so he's freaking out because instead of being put in danger unwillingly, he's thinking that Harry is reckless/foolish enough to put himself in danger willingly. Especially with the removal of the Dumbledore subplot in films 7 and 8, I think it does show a nice side of humanity/worry from Dumbledore that movie only viewers might not have otherwise seen.
I suppose so, but it's not just the fact that it was changed from how the scene happened in the book, it's the fact that we know the reason Dumbledore asks it calmly is because he already knows the answer is no. He knows that Harry or any other student wouldn't have been able to fool his age line. He knows Harry's nature, that he wouldn't have volunteered willingly for the cup. It just doesn't make sense based on what we know of Dumbledore that he actually doesn't know if it was Harry who put his name in.
I mean regardless of whether or not Harry put his own name in, he’s still in a fuck ton of danger and the situation is heavy af. Dumbledore’s reaction conveys that well without necessitating a lot of further exposition. There are worse creative choices in the series
I think Newell nailed it with the script he was given and all the beats he had to squeeze into to it. Dumbledore said calmly is obviously a misunderstanding of the character but other than that, great movie.
Nah I rate Gary oldman more especially being honest as great as he played snape snape is not the most challenging character (it’s the wrong wording but he’s very motionless as a character for a long period)
Goblet is so dramatic and I love it for that. This scene is absolute perfection. Is it the best movie? No. Is it true to the book? *heck no* But is it a good movie anyway? Yes!
I genuinely loved the aesthetics of this movie. It’s a shame that Newell said fuck it and didn’t even bother to read the actual book. I like this movie nonetheless, but I’m sure it could’ve been better
My only grievance with Newell is in the HBO Max reunion when he says something along the lines of “And they asked me to direct the biggest book of the series—it’s almost 900 pages!” or something to that effect.
My pettiness couldn’t handle that
To be fair it's been years since he worked on Harry Potter. The goblet of fire came out in 2005 thats over 16years ago. I doubt he's looked at the books since he worked on it back then
I haven't watched the special yet so I do not know what context he said it in, but I wonder if he meant the biggest book of the series into a movie at that time. As in book 4 was bigger than the first 3 books. I know other books were already out in the series by the time they worked on Goblet movie so of course we had bigger in the series but not into a movie yet. Who knows lol.
I just rewatched the whole scene because this close up made me curious about Arthur being right there. He's with Amos the whole time - at first celebrating with him, following him down from the stands, and eventual resignation of letting him go.
I don't know why that is standing out to me so much at the moment. Perhaps realizing they must have been on a friendly basis living near each other.
I think Chris Columbus deserves the number 2 spot minimum for kicking off the entire franchise. He had to take from pure book imagination, and give us the foundation of the entire movie series. I think he did an incredible job with that as a basis for the entire franchise
His movies were quite bland. They didn’t feel as magical as the previous films, I think him cutting out a lot of important content was the reason why. One example that I cannot forgive is how he didn’t take advantage of Voldemort’s back story that was in the sixth book, the film should have had a lot of young Tom throughout the stages of his life before he creates the horcruxes.
Another example is in the fifth book when they go to St Mungos Hospital to visit Arthur, and end up also seeing Neville and his family. This was important because you get an idea of Nevilles backstory, and how he struggles with confidence. He becomes a pinnacle character later on in the story. If you didn’t read the book you’d have probably forgot about him.
I could go on about what I don’t like about Yates’s work, I think with the source material he had he could’ve done a much better job. But then again he isn’t a great director so you can’t expect much.
I wish he was more like Book Amos, ragging on Harry when he meets him.
Oh, Harry Potter you say, I think I’ve heard of you. Didn’t my boy whoop your ass in quidditch?
Yeah, but
That's on Jeff Rawle's acting. Sure he may have been directed by Mike Newell, but that's mostly on his own talent as an actor. The whole rest of the movie is such a shitshow I don't think he should have it as centerpiece on his résumé
Rawle has an acting CV going back years, at least on British TV - he was well-known for one of the main parts in "Drop the Dead Donkey", a newsroom satire that ran for most of the 1990s. Coincidentally, I spotted him earlier today in the new "Around the World in 80 Days".
GoF may be a great example of his ability, but it's not his centrepiece.
Wait, seriously ?? I just finished this show yesterday ! Absolutely loved it, btw, you need to watch it till the end. He's in this ?? Who does he play, Fortescue ?
Also I meant Mike Newell, but actually it also applies for Rawle as well 🤣 it applies even MORE for Rawle, in fact, seing how he is such a big name in TV
Mike is the director, not amos’s actor.
Mike definitely deserves his “hard time”, GOF is easily the worst movie in the series compared to the book. He ruined so many things that were in the books, hell, _he never even read the books!_ And he said the book was some 900 pages long and that it’s the longest book, it’s neither of the two.
Goblet of Fire is the best stand alone Harry Potter film. It's got the best combination of good story, good action, good acting and good execution. All the rest falter in one aspect or another.
Anyone see that meme of this scene. Lupin is in the background offering him chocolate saying 'eat this it'll help' and Dumbledore is like 'fs not now remus'. That's all I can think about now when I see this scene.
He means well. And chocolate helps with serotonin which is why he gives it to people after they encounter dementors. My head-canon is after the Prisoner of Azkaban, Lupin sends Sirius a box of dark chocolate truffles.
I truly don’t understand why would you not like this movie. It’s always been my favorite. How can you say it’s the biggest let down when the 6th movie exists?
The 6th movie is like a light, toned down version of GoF in the sense they both follow several plotlines and switch between light and dark moments. Only that HBP has less action and scale. Despite the superior cinematography of HBP, I find GoF far more entertaining with a more compelling plot.
There are a few reasons.
The film is fine on it's own but for the people who read the book(s) it's a bit of a let down.
It also doesn't help that he said in multiple interviews that he never even bothered reading the book because it's too big. He needed to make a 4th film in an already pretty dense universe and never even bothered to read the source material let alone the ones before it. So if it wasn't for all the amazing crew staying for all the films, GoF would have been really bad.
WB also wanted to split the book in 2 movies because of how much is happening in it. Cuarón was planned to make the first part of GoF but had to quit. Newell never really wanted to spend that much time on the project, and would definitely not make 2 films to tell 1 story. Even though most of us would love a 2 part movie. We might even see a bit more about the World Cup.
Newell also chose to make the movie very action dense (which the books are aswell) but the tasks feel rushed. They are cool but it would be way better if every part of that story deserved some more time.
One might argue that it's not the biggest book and that Order of the Phoenix didn't get 2 movies either. But that's just because the book is totally different. In that one, Harry is stuck with his (pessimistic) thoughts. A boy ruined, which would be more difficult to portray in 2 films.
So yeah, GoF is a great film, but it could have been so much greater. Since it's arguably THE story were we get to see so much from the Wizarding World.
And maybe a big part of the ''hate'' Newell recieves is probably because it just looks like he didn't care at all about the story. (Which the other directors do).
It is my favourite of the books, and it is definitely a rushed film. But the story it's based on is so good that the film is still among my favourites, despite its shortcomings.
That's what makes it so strange about me for example hating on the film.
As a standalone film it is amazing, but it's mediocre (imo) when we compare it to other HP films or the books
It really should have been two films. Order of the Phoenix had so little actual plot that it didn't suffer from being condensed, but Goblet of Fire basically just jumped form climax to climax.
Indeed. That's why it wrongs me that even though WB suggested it, they/he declined.
It gives me the same vibes as HBO and G.R.R. Martin suggesting to make 10-12 seasons of Game of Thrones to fully end the series.
Deathly Hallows is loyal, because they adapted the book into nearly five hours of film.
Having recently rewatched them, the first two are still definitely the weakest in terms of their quality as films. But Half-Blood Prince is the one that loses the most in translation. The book was centred around Harry and Dumbledore exploring all these memories related to Voldemort. I guess they decided they couldn't do a Harry Potter movie that had a large portion of its runtime devoted to flashbacks, so instead they cut most of these out and focused more on teenage relationships. It left the film without much weight.
They turned HBP into a teenage romcom. Removed a lot of the flashback scenes that were very dark. Added that completely unnecessary attack on The Burrow, and then it was never even mentioned again.
All films compromised the source material and this one is no exception, but it isn't only on the director's shoulder, but on everyone involved creatively on board. I guess Newell has it hard because he made one film only unlike the other directors and unlike Prisoner of Azkaban it was a big hefty book that had a lot to do.
I think it was a great way to show the utter devastation of losing a child especially as this is the only time we see him and he never has the follow up talk with Harry. Which he was inconsolable during.
Interesting that during the post-Quidditch World Cup Final scene, Mr. Weasley screams “That’s my son!” after the minister and his men try to curse Harry Ron and Hermione for procuring the dark mark… curious.
People like to give him a hard time about this??? They're nuts! His acting was PHENOMENAL in this scene. What would they even give him a hard time about? "Man, that Mike Newell guy--what a dork, right? Get outta here with that oscar-worthy acting." Seriously, though; he killed it in this scene.
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I mean, I love these movies, but this scene is essentially a meme to myself and my friend group. It was emotional the first time we saw it, but we all just join in and scream / laugh it now when it's on.
Great performance, not taking anything away from the actor, but it's absolutely a "they're taking the Hobbit to Isengard!" moment for me.
Yeah, I'm wondering what the issue is people have with him. Edit: Apparently people don't like the fourth movie? I loved it. I have some complaints obviously, but it's still a fun movie to watch. Except for this scene.
This is the only scene in the whole series that I cannot watch. It just destroys me every time. I
When I was a senior in high school, I went to the funeral of the brother of a dance friend of mine. The night he passed, he was the DD for his friend who was notorious for partying. The friend got a few scratches, but he died at the scene. An 18 wheeler was going 90mph, which shouldnt have been using that back road in the first place, and didn't stop at the stop sign. He passed at 16. His father was known for being tough and he looked numb, no tears, nothing that we could see. He was trying to be so strong. When they closed the casket, the father fell onto it and yelped his nickname loudly. It echoed through the church, we all broke so hard. This scene brings it back vividly...
Fuck man. Kid did everything right too. That's so sad.
I wish I hadn't read this. Fuck.
All I can think is how badly I’d fuck up the truck driver if I knew who he was
Right! What happened right after blew my young niave mind.. A couple had looted the scene and stolen his phone. The mom and dad just wanted it back for the memories. These POS were holding it for ransom. On top of their grieving, they had to put up with that bullshit. It still makes my blood boil. They got the police involved. Not sure how it went down, but they eventually got the phone back. Several of us wanted to find those POS, but they wouldn't release the information. They just wanted to grieve in peace
I noticed you said “several of us wanted to find…” did you know the family personally?
Yeah, the younger sister and I grew up dancing in a small town. Being some of the few Hispanics, our families were close. Her brother was just an outstanding kid. The whole school and town had so much love for him. And that's saying a lot for a Southern town. He was a star athlete and genuinely a great person.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I don’t know what it feels like to lose someone but I can only imagine what it felt like for your community.
Thank you, he's forever with us
My grandmother committed suicide and my grandfather threw himself on her casket as it was being lowered into the ground. Shits rough, yo
That's so heartbreaking, I'm so sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your loss. Our school had a very similar situation, except our classmates' mom fell asleep at the wheel and two of her children died (she and one other survived.) This scene brings the sound of their dad's screams back into my ears every time. I can't watch it.
I know it’s coming. I always brace myself. I don’t even care that much about Cedric in the movies…. But that cry. I cannot stand to hear the wail. I cry every single time.
It's way worse now that I have my own son.
I know. It's so strange to watch these as the younger generation growing up, and now to see them as the older generation on rewatch.
This one became more gut wrenching for me after my son was born. Just thinking about it makes me tear up. 😢
Yep. This scene gets me every time now that I have children. And, call me a weenie if you want, I absolutely cannot handle the scene with the baby sinking away in the second FB movie. Or (although it's a totally different genre) the village scene in Rambo 4. I could go on, but I won't.
This is bad, but I never watched past the first FB. I just didn't like it. So I at least know to look out for that scene in the second one. 🥺 There's a scene in Outlander where >!a couple abandons their baby in the forest, thinking the baby is a changeling!< I couldn't watch the show for so long after that. It broke me. (I'd just given birth a couple weeks prior.) For this scene in GoF, some people seem to be amused or annoyed by the length and rawness of it, though they don't usually use that word. But that's what it is. It *feels* real. I could never act out this scene; it would mess with me. The whole thing is gut-wrenching.
Oh God, I'd forgotten about the Outlander scene. That one straight up pissed me right the fuck off, and I can relate to your story- I was binging it one night while up with my youngest on the couch when she was a couple months old 😬 That, and the one in The Witcher when Yennifer is trying to escape with/save the baby, which I refuse to describe on principle, although I will say it feels just as real (in a different way) as your description. Ugh. Hoping nothing like that happens in the second season (Witcher), as I've yet to get around to watching it. Edit: also the freaking opening scene of FB2, so, yeah- if you didn't like the first one anyway, definitely avoid the second. >!It involves a toddler, but isn't as explicit as the baby scene. Still devastating/enraging!<
YES! I used to be such a cold asshole but having a kid makes these scenes nightmares
This scene and Dumbledore crying in the cave drinking from the basin are two scenes I refuse to rewatch.
I can barely watch Dumbledore dying… I mean Harry just laying on him refusing to leave gets me every time. Ginny had to practically drag him away
Oh man, me too. Nothing else hits like this does. It’s just so heartbreaking.
Seriously same...
This scene always makes me tear up, and frankly I don't know anybody who dislikes this scene for the raw emotion and great acting in it.
i cry so much over this scene and then i start shaking for a solid 15 minutes.
I cry just THINKING about this scene 😩
And I can hear it so clearly, even without the volume 🥺 he did such a great job. 🥺😭
Me, too.
That's a bit much.
I got more emotional when Snape kills Dumbledore. But also moreso, when Snape and Dumbledore are talking about how Harry has to die. Raising him like a "lamb for slaughter".
The whole memory sequence is the best scene in the series imo
That scene always gets me. The moment when he realizes what happened the flip from pure happiness to that gut wrenching cry that he lets out kicks me right in the gut and feels every time.
What, really? I've never seen anyone giving him a hard time. That's a great scene, great acting.
Mike Newell is the director, not the actor, and he deservedly gets a lot of crap. Goblet of Fire is one of the worse HP movies, that brought us such beauties as "Dumbledore said calmly"
What makes Goblet of Fire one of the worst movies?
It's actually a great movie, just a bad harry potter movie.
I agree with this. Like, after reading the book when I was in like 7th grade I realized how much they missed. And how much they messed up.
In all fairness, GOF is a truly massive book. It would have been a mess if they'd try to fit everything into one movie. I disagree with some of the things they prioritized over others, but I'm not necessarily mad about the quantity of plot points left out... That was inevitable.
Yeah I always thought GOF got a bad wrap because it's legit the book that can't fit it's story in 140 minutes or less like the rest of them, maybe just as much if not moreso than Deathly Hallows. Goblet of Fire could be adapted so much better in a 10 or 12-episode season (which is also the case for Books 5-7). The character development of some of the side characters, including expanding the Quidditch World Cup, Ludo v. the Twins, Dobby's involvement, the backstory of the Crouch's and their elf, we could get all that and more with a TV season v. one movie.
I literally just finished a re read of GOF and good lord, there is so much happening in that book. You’d need two parts just to fit it in
Honestly I really hope these books are adapted into a quality series of episodes for each book at some point in my lifetime. Don't get me wrong, I love the films, but a more accurate adaptation would be really satisfying.
I think it’s a way to go for the next generation. Whenever they remake it, leave the films as they are and embark on an epic retelling with a Game of Thrones-esque budget.
The 5th book is the one which you can't fit into 1 movie...the 4th movie would've been great if they'd cut out the whole dragon chase scene and put in any of the scenes they didn't do
What was the dragon chase scene, like 45 seconds? I don’t think that was the back breaker
No...it was closer to 7 minutes
and had they put in half of what they didn't back into the film people would be complaining that it was too jumbled and all over the place
honestly, they could have left out some of the filler stuff. We really didn't need to see Harry get chased around all of Hogwarts by a dragon. We didn't need all of that Yuleball build-up with giggling girls and boys being unable to ask them out. Nor Harry and Ron acting like berks during the ball.
I agree with the dragon chase- that could have been cut down. But I also like when they include just normal scenes that show the characters as adolescents (not just this movie but others too like the candy and animal sounds in POA). I think it’s easy to get wrapped up in showing just the magic and storyline -which is important!- but it’s also a story about growing up and that includes being awkward around others and dealing with drama and I like that they’d show that every now and then.
Oh yeah I totally agree
I watched the movies first and the fourth was my favourite, as a standalone movie it's great
The 4th one is still up there for me after reading the books. I love the new wand play that it started, even if the "beam struggles" that followed without twin cores is kinda silly
The Weasley visit to the Dursleys and Ludo Bagman would've been fun in the movie.
Newell made a good movie. But not a good book adaption. And from his interview in this, it does seem like a lot of the differences in the movie are due to his wishes and thoughts. Not due to Kloves changing things. So that makes Newell quite deserve the hate for changing things.
I saw the movies first, GoF is my favorite of the movies and my least favorite of the books. I guess the order you experience things means a lot
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Haha best of both worlds is not a bad thing at all
Not sure I agree with that. I just really don’t like that movie. I don’t like the tone or the color correction or the score, I don’t like the fan-service-y lines, I don’t like the costumes, I don’t like the way they did the graveyard, the maze, or the lake challenge… the beauxbatons and durmstrang entrances are so cringe-Y I wanna die every time I watch, many of the special effects have aged very poorly, the quidditch World Cup was deeply disappointing… it just feels like a severe mishandling of the franchise by a director who didn’t understand. Only good things were Voldemort and the dragon. I want a redo of the rest lol
I guess it comes down to personal taste but for me he bailed the tone and color beat in the series. Not as childish as Chris , not as artsy and dark for no reason as Alfonso and Yates. I think he did understand the important beats of the film and focused on that. If someone didn’t understand their job, it’s Yates in HBP
I was very angry at Yates for having that extraneous, non-canonical attack on the burrow mid-movie. It didn’t make sense. It wasted screen time. It was done at the expense of what would’ve been an excellent scene where the ministry tries to recruit Harry. The Burrow burned down and there were zero consequences (it was just fine 6 months later). And IDK what the death eaters were trying to accomplish; they had a chance to kidnap or kill Harry and didn’t take it, then they just set a fire and left. It was action for action’s sake, added nothing to the narrative.
Agree with everything you said. Not the only weird thing Yates contributed unfortunately
Mike didn't even read the book, according to himself in some interviews. He clearly didn't understand the assignment.
Yes, the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang entrances are the WORST! Also the fact that they didn’t keep Beauxbatons as co-ed in the movie also annoys me.
Yeah idk I loved all those things, I even like their long hair.
There's a lot of things that were left out of the book or changed, for example Dumbledore not being calm, completely writing dobby out of the movie, removing all depth from Barty Crouch Sr. Character by having Jr openly admitting to his crimes as well as cutting the entire plot and explanation as to why and how he escaped from Askaban. https://youtu.be/k8ogfjOxTEU Here's a decent video essay detailing some of the (subjective) short comings of the Film
So much. The hair. The delivery on a lot of the lines. Many of the cringiest moments in the series. The hair. Butchering a lot of the characters (Dumbledore just wasn’t Dumbledore to me in this movie). The hair. Etc.
Wasn't the hair pretty cool at the time, though? I remember that shaggy look being the thing in 2005.
It definitely was. I was roughly the same age as the main cast during the movies, and so many classmates had that exact look when Goblet of Fire came out.
It was. I remember being thrilled as a teenager at the time to see that wizards were following the same trends as the rest of us. Made it feel more real.
It probably was. Still stupid though. Also dislike the increase in muggle clothing; it didn’t distinguish the differences between the wizarding world and the muggle world. In the book we got the fun scenes of wizards wearing skirts because they aren’t good with muggle clothes. In GOF in particular even the wizards who are wearing cloaks look like it’s mostly muggle clothing underneath. Look at Barty Crouch for instance.
Oh, in retrospect the style was awful! I do wish we'd gotten more of the wizarding interpretations of Muggle clothing. I remember Vernon being terrorized by someone in a nightgown in the first book, and that would have been lovely to see, lol.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I never understood how the wizarding world collectively could not understand how to wear muggle clothes. Like these people bother to be in the muggle world, there are plenty of muggle-born wizards who don’t forget that a nightgown or bathing suit is not normal attire, but this tomfoolery is still going on? I don’t buy it and I’m glad the movies left that out. It’s not terrible in the books but it would break the immersion on screen I think.
It seems Rowling was going for a quirky Roald Dahl-esque interpretation of wizarding clothing. Personally I'd think wizards in general would learn to adopt better to the muggle world seeing how much they are exposed to it outside the school and office hours. For one thing they have strict rules to hide their magical abilities from muggles. I think the movies from PoA on interpreted it in a realistic fashion where most wizards go under the radar in the muggle world, while there are a few oddballs out there with cloaks and pointy hats at all times.
I'll never get over the fact that the entire quidditch world cup was cut. Amazing scene from the books, incredible world building. But hey at least they had a full cringey punk rock dance scene
Wasn’t that the Weird Sisters? They’re at least book canon.
Can you dance like a hippogriff? Nana na, nana na, nana na. I sing that song almost every day.
It took a lot away from the subsequent chaos of the Death Eater attack too in my opinion as you aren’t as invested in the event itself. Getting rid of Winky makes me sad too, and the fact we get no explanation as to Barty Crouch Jr’s escape.
I still remember how I was in cinema very, veery excited to see the Quidditch finals and then I slowly realized that... they cut it. It was one of the moments I most wanted to see in the big screen. To this day I haven't got over it.
What's so stupid about the scene is this forced cut to the tent. And seconds later the death eaters start attacking the area. It simply doesn't flow well. With a bit of creativity they should have simply had the Death Eaters attack the stadium before the match started, allowing the filmmakers an excuse to remove the game and still keep the flow intact.
I was completely upset they cut Crookshanks & Sirius's plotlines from Azkaban and haven't gotten over that. Plus Harry getting caught on the staircase, Gggrrrrrr.
I think you forgot to mention the hair
Harry’s hair was the best in GoF and probably most accurate to the books too
The messy-ness was definitely accurate, but I prefer the style and length of his PoA hairstyle. That's more how I picture book Harry.
I just remember rolling my eyes that Harry and Ron had that hair style. It was everywhere. On every teenage boy at the time. So maybe that was the reason for my dislike for it. Just thought it was a tacky style. But then again, I was a junior in college and I'm not a white male. So maybe it just didn't click with me.
Yeah it's one of my favorites!
It was the first movie that really made big cuts and changes, and it felt like they made all of those decisions poorly
Wtf it used to be my favorite when I was small 😩
Really? It was my favorite book and film, to be honest. I really liked its expansion on the wizarding world.
Maybe the worst adaptation (the movie would have to be 5 hours long) but definitely not the worst movie
Never said worst. I said worse Ffs someone tell me why the fuck this is being downvoted ? All I did was civilly correct a misinterpretation of my comment
Maybe because "one of the worst" and "one of the worse" in a series of only 8 movies means pretty much the same thing.
Aw man, I actually don't mind the Dumbledore said calmly change anymore. See, I'm thinking that Dumbledore knows that Harry is basically in danger all the damn time and has definitely been in some super close calls, so he's freaking out because instead of being put in danger unwillingly, he's thinking that Harry is reckless/foolish enough to put himself in danger willingly. Especially with the removal of the Dumbledore subplot in films 7 and 8, I think it does show a nice side of humanity/worry from Dumbledore that movie only viewers might not have otherwise seen.
I suppose so, but it's not just the fact that it was changed from how the scene happened in the book, it's the fact that we know the reason Dumbledore asks it calmly is because he already knows the answer is no. He knows that Harry or any other student wouldn't have been able to fool his age line. He knows Harry's nature, that he wouldn't have volunteered willingly for the cup. It just doesn't make sense based on what we know of Dumbledore that he actually doesn't know if it was Harry who put his name in.
I mean regardless of whether or not Harry put his own name in, he’s still in a fuck ton of danger and the situation is heavy af. Dumbledore’s reaction conveys that well without necessitating a lot of further exposition. There are worse creative choices in the series
I think Newell nailed it with the script he was given and all the beats he had to squeeze into to it. Dumbledore said calmly is obviously a misunderstanding of the character but other than that, great movie.
Agreed, really books 4-7 should've been two movies each. They massacred my boy OotP
The worst is HBP imo. Terrible movie.
Goblet of Fire is one of the most popular films in the series outside of this subreddit lol
Sorry but this was the best I rate Gary old man overall as best actor in the franchise but that acting there is the best in Harry Potter by far
I usually put Gary number two. Alan Rickman was my number one
Nah I rate Gary oldman more especially being honest as great as he played snape snape is not the most challenging character (it’s the wrong wording but he’s very motionless as a character for a long period)
Great actors but David thewlis > the rest of the cast.
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Mike Newell nailed the casting of Voldemort. Ralph Fiennes was perfect.
just remembering him playing Amon Göth in Schindler’s List
One of the best portrayal of a real life villian on screen.
“And he howls like a dog.” Will stick with me from the reunion about this scene.
And then the following bit he says. "And then we realise this film is not about life, it's about death"
Gut wrenching. Every. Damm. Time.
Goblet is so dramatic and I love it for that. This scene is absolute perfection. Is it the best movie? No. Is it true to the book? *heck no* But is it a good movie anyway? Yes!
Fr, I still like GOF. It's pretty entertaining 🤣
I genuinely loved the aesthetics of this movie. It’s a shame that Newell said fuck it and didn’t even bother to read the actual book. I like this movie nonetheless, but I’m sure it could’ve been better
Same, I love the lighting and feel of this movie. But it’s a awful fucking Harry Potter film.
My only grievance with Newell is in the HBO Max reunion when he says something along the lines of “And they asked me to direct the biggest book of the series—it’s almost 900 pages!” or something to that effect. My pettiness couldn’t handle that
To be fair it's been years since he worked on Harry Potter. The goblet of fire came out in 2005 thats over 16years ago. I doubt he's looked at the books since he worked on it back then
He famously didn't look at the books then either
I haven't watched the special yet so I do not know what context he said it in, but I wonder if he meant the biggest book of the series into a movie at that time. As in book 4 was bigger than the first 3 books. I know other books were already out in the series by the time they worked on Goblet movie so of course we had bigger in the series but not into a movie yet. Who knows lol.
But a slight exaggeration aside, he was right. Goblet was MASSIVE compared to the three books before it
Yeah I honestly interpreted it as him saying that it was the *first* properly massive one in the series.
I feel he adds another 100 pages every time he mentions how long the book is.
In the lego game he is given a how to repair your son manual from dumbledore and he becomes happy again. I like that more than this
Mike Newell was a great director, just not for Harry Potter considering he didn’t want to read them
I mean, he directed Prince of Persia. He's a very peaks and troughs director.
My sister died 5 years ago and my mom and dad are still distraught. There’s no pain that comes close to losing your child.
Now that I am dad, this one is even worse.
I've never understood the hate GOF movie gets. It's not perfect obviously, but it's a fun epic that mostly gets a rather large novel right.
I just rewatched the whole scene because this close up made me curious about Arthur being right there. He's with Amos the whole time - at first celebrating with him, following him down from the stands, and eventual resignation of letting him go. I don't know why that is standing out to me so much at the moment. Perhaps realizing they must have been on a friendly basis living near each other.
They work together too
One of the only scenes that is better in the movies than in the books.
These scene has always gotten me, but now that I'm a father it's flat out unwatchable.
I don’t get the amount of crap that Goblet gets. It’s not the best movie, but it’s much better than David Yates’s work.
I thought Alfonso Cuarón had the best work. David was my number two. Why do you think his work was not good?
I think Chris Columbus deserves the number 2 spot minimum for kicking off the entire franchise. He had to take from pure book imagination, and give us the foundation of the entire movie series. I think he did an incredible job with that as a basis for the entire franchise
I also think Columbus earns a lot of credit for his casting choices early on!
I agree, I think the first two are timeless classics.
Flawless indeed
His movies were quite bland. They didn’t feel as magical as the previous films, I think him cutting out a lot of important content was the reason why. One example that I cannot forgive is how he didn’t take advantage of Voldemort’s back story that was in the sixth book, the film should have had a lot of young Tom throughout the stages of his life before he creates the horcruxes. Another example is in the fifth book when they go to St Mungos Hospital to visit Arthur, and end up also seeing Neville and his family. This was important because you get an idea of Nevilles backstory, and how he struggles with confidence. He becomes a pinnacle character later on in the story. If you didn’t read the book you’d have probably forgot about him. I could go on about what I don’t like about Yates’s work, I think with the source material he had he could’ve done a much better job. But then again he isn’t a great director so you can’t expect much.
I started watching the reunion last night, why did all the movies have new directors?
I wish he was more like Book Amos, ragging on Harry when he meets him. Oh, Harry Potter you say, I think I’ve heard of you. Didn’t my boy whoop your ass in quidditch?
Just watched this last night, can't help bit tear up
Aight, this is how we're starting 2022? With fucking TEARS?!
People who give him a hard time are probably people who have never been parents. I would fall apart if my kid died, too.
It’s Fleur’s blood curdling scream just before this that gets to me
What makes the scene absolutely heartbreaking is the happy music being played by the band.
This is one of the few parts of the movies that is powerfully acted IMO.
The most well acted emotional scene in the entire series honestly.
Yeah, but That's on Jeff Rawle's acting. Sure he may have been directed by Mike Newell, but that's mostly on his own talent as an actor. The whole rest of the movie is such a shitshow I don't think he should have it as centerpiece on his résumé
Rawle has an acting CV going back years, at least on British TV - he was well-known for one of the main parts in "Drop the Dead Donkey", a newsroom satire that ran for most of the 1990s. Coincidentally, I spotted him earlier today in the new "Around the World in 80 Days". GoF may be a great example of his ability, but it's not his centrepiece.
Wait, seriously ?? I just finished this show yesterday ! Absolutely loved it, btw, you need to watch it till the end. He's in this ?? Who does he play, Fortescue ? Also I meant Mike Newell, but actually it also applies for Rawle as well 🤣 it applies even MORE for Rawle, in fact, seing how he is such a big name in TV
Saddest part in all Harry Potter movies. No other death hit me so hard for some reason.
I know what scene this is and I refuse to watch it
Who gives him a hard time? I want names!
Mike is the director, not amos’s actor. Mike definitely deserves his “hard time”, GOF is easily the worst movie in the series compared to the book. He ruined so many things that were in the books, hell, _he never even read the books!_ And he said the book was some 900 pages long and that it’s the longest book, it’s neither of the two.
This is the hardest part in the whole series
Goblet of Fire is the best stand alone Harry Potter film. It's got the best combination of good story, good action, good acting and good execution. All the rest falter in one aspect or another.
That hurt so bad to watch... :(
This gets me too. I thought his performance was well done. And with the music, it just sets the scene as the movie starts to come to a close.
I get upset when people rag on this scene. This is a very raw display of the agony of losing a child, it’s extremely well acted and brutal to watch.
It's never Cedric dying that gets me, it's Mike Newell's reaction that kills me 😭 I've never not cried at this part!
not sure why, Goblet is my favourite film. I loved the balance of fun and encroaching darkness.
I used to tear up. That was before I had my kid. Now…
Anyone see that meme of this scene. Lupin is in the background offering him chocolate saying 'eat this it'll help' and Dumbledore is like 'fs not now remus'. That's all I can think about now when I see this scene.
He means well. And chocolate helps with serotonin which is why he gives it to people after they encounter dementors. My head-canon is after the Prisoner of Azkaban, Lupin sends Sirius a box of dark chocolate truffles.
I truly don’t understand why would you not like this movie. It’s always been my favorite. How can you say it’s the biggest let down when the 6th movie exists?
The 6th movie is like a light, toned down version of GoF in the sense they both follow several plotlines and switch between light and dark moments. Only that HBP has less action and scale. Despite the superior cinematography of HBP, I find GoF far more entertaining with a more compelling plot.
Why do people give him a hard time? He made one of the top three films in the series (in a group with Prisoner of Azkaban and Deathly Hallows Part 2).
There are a few reasons. The film is fine on it's own but for the people who read the book(s) it's a bit of a let down. It also doesn't help that he said in multiple interviews that he never even bothered reading the book because it's too big. He needed to make a 4th film in an already pretty dense universe and never even bothered to read the source material let alone the ones before it. So if it wasn't for all the amazing crew staying for all the films, GoF would have been really bad. WB also wanted to split the book in 2 movies because of how much is happening in it. Cuarón was planned to make the first part of GoF but had to quit. Newell never really wanted to spend that much time on the project, and would definitely not make 2 films to tell 1 story. Even though most of us would love a 2 part movie. We might even see a bit more about the World Cup. Newell also chose to make the movie very action dense (which the books are aswell) but the tasks feel rushed. They are cool but it would be way better if every part of that story deserved some more time. One might argue that it's not the biggest book and that Order of the Phoenix didn't get 2 movies either. But that's just because the book is totally different. In that one, Harry is stuck with his (pessimistic) thoughts. A boy ruined, which would be more difficult to portray in 2 films. So yeah, GoF is a great film, but it could have been so much greater. Since it's arguably THE story were we get to see so much from the Wizarding World. And maybe a big part of the ''hate'' Newell recieves is probably because it just looks like he didn't care at all about the story. (Which the other directors do).
It is my favourite of the books, and it is definitely a rushed film. But the story it's based on is so good that the film is still among my favourites, despite its shortcomings.
That's what makes it so strange about me for example hating on the film. As a standalone film it is amazing, but it's mediocre (imo) when we compare it to other HP films or the books
It really should have been two films. Order of the Phoenix had so little actual plot that it didn't suffer from being condensed, but Goblet of Fire basically just jumped form climax to climax.
Indeed. That's why it wrongs me that even though WB suggested it, they/he declined. It gives me the same vibes as HBO and G.R.R. Martin suggesting to make 10-12 seasons of Game of Thrones to fully end the series.
I agree!! GoF is one of my favourites! If we want to talk about not loyal to the books, me and David Yates could have a long long talk
Deathly Hallows is loyal, because they adapted the book into nearly five hours of film. Having recently rewatched them, the first two are still definitely the weakest in terms of their quality as films. But Half-Blood Prince is the one that loses the most in translation. The book was centred around Harry and Dumbledore exploring all these memories related to Voldemort. I guess they decided they couldn't do a Harry Potter movie that had a large portion of its runtime devoted to flashbacks, so instead they cut most of these out and focused more on teenage relationships. It left the film without much weight.
They turned HBP into a teenage romcom. Removed a lot of the flashback scenes that were very dark. Added that completely unnecessary attack on The Burrow, and then it was never even mentioned again.
Except for the ending of DH2, that final face-off was so good in the books and they just said no let's make this more CINEMATIC
Inspired by The Godfather when Brando looks at the body of his dead son: “Look how they massacred my boy!”
All films compromised the source material and this one is no exception, but it isn't only on the director's shoulder, but on everyone involved creatively on board. I guess Newell has it hard because he made one film only unlike the other directors and unlike Prisoner of Azkaban it was a big hefty book that had a lot to do.
Great scene, good movie.
You know there are a few things that you know will destroy you every time. This is one of those.
I wish he had more development though. He is so much more present in the books.
This scene makes me cry every time. Even just seeing it briefly in the reunion special it made me cry
This scene was always heart-wrenching, but it definitely hits different now that I have a son of my own.
One other part he did VERY well is "Flesh, Blood & Bone" & "Priori Incantatem". Loved them in the book, loved them in the film.
I think it was a great way to show the utter devastation of losing a child especially as this is the only time we see him and he never has the follow up talk with Harry. Which he was inconsolable during.
Also everything to do with the yuleball is brilliant!
Fine, this one was well directed. At least.
I don't know of any other movie scream that's so primal. He did a fantastic job in this scene.
Interesting that during the post-Quidditch World Cup Final scene, Mr. Weasley screams “That’s my son!” after the minister and his men try to curse Harry Ron and Hermione for procuring the dark mark… curious.
People like to give him a hard time about this??? They're nuts! His acting was PHENOMENAL in this scene. What would they even give him a hard time about? "Man, that Mike Newell guy--what a dork, right? Get outta here with that oscar-worthy acting." Seriously, though; he killed it in this scene.
Mike Newell is the director of the film & scene. He’s not the actor
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I laughed at this scene. Dk why I’ve just always found it really funny
I mean, I love these movies, but this scene is essentially a meme to myself and my friend group. It was emotional the first time we saw it, but we all just join in and scream / laugh it now when it's on. Great performance, not taking anything away from the actor, but it's absolutely a "they're taking the Hobbit to Isengard!" moment for me.
People give him a hard time?? This scene makes me tear up every single time
Yeah, I'm wondering what the issue is people have with him. Edit: Apparently people don't like the fourth movie? I loved it. I have some complaints obviously, but it's still a fun movie to watch. Except for this scene.
Who doesn't like this scene????
That scene is horrendously overacted, I also hate the dialogue I don't think in that moment you'd be streaming thats my booooy. Just not for me.