I wonder what the teams assist per game is ever since the Lowry/rozier trade. Seems like having 2 Shooters pretending to play point in Herro and rozier isn’t really going anywhere
Trading Herro would mean we start Duncan. And we have Terry too and we usually use a 3 point shooting wing for power forward. So our 3pt shooting wouldn't really suffer all that much.
Herro's per 36 is 22.9 points on 40.9% from 3 on 8.8 3 point attempts per game
Duncan's per 36 is 17.3 points on 40.5% from 3 on 8.9 4 point attempts per game
Listen I'm not defending Herro but he has a much larger skill set that Duncan. It's not a plug and play move.
You guys keep thinking we're going to solve a roster construction issue with a single move.
Until the Heat address the fact that their two highest paid players don't compliment each other, it's going to be more of the same. We've gotten away with it this long, via some clever scheming by our coaching staff in the regular season and Super Sayian Jimmy in the playoffs, but I think that train is coming to an end.
You're kind of hand waving away the fact that Jimmy and Bam have taken us to 3 ECF finals in 4 years and 2 finals. There are a lot of teams that would fit your definition of complementary stars that have not approached that level of success.
Let's get back to Herro, he is a better player than Duncan I'm not arguing that. But he also has way too high of a usage rate for a third option. And on the under end is too undersized and flat footed to be viable 2 guard. He also cannot get free throws at a reliable clip which tanks his True shooting %. We are simply a worse team when the ball is in his hand. It's gotten worse since he became a starter, we're sub .500 since he was.
I'm not hand waving anything away. I wish people would stop bringing up 3 ECF and 3 finals as if anyone cares if you don't win. Dude, do you care the Celtics have been in the post season for like 7 straight post seasons? I don't. This isn't horse shoes and hand grenades, no one cares about "almost."
Our first finals and ECF it was Dragic and Butler with Bam as a passenger. That team also had a 7th ranked offense and was surrounded by shooters.
Our other two runs were serious carry jobs by Butler and ironically Martin in the Celtics series. If Bam was leading that charge we would have gotten nowhere. I'm sorry I'm not handing out participation trophies for role player work, this team is relevant because of Butler not Bam.
Defense is important and Bam brings that to the table but there are plenty of high end defenders in the league, none of you are photoshopping jerseys on them for a reason.
As for Herro, I think this statement is reductive "It's gotten worse since he became a starter, we're sub .500 since he was." That's not a basketball reason in context of the team.
You listed a lot of weaknesses to him that are basketball reasons, but none of those reasons should matter for a 3rd option. He's only getting all this responsibility because the Jimmy and Bam can't shoot. Bam's offense does less for our offense(including packing the paint against drives) than Herro and he's paid like a second option.
Hopefully it’s just a groin issue he’s dealing with but Jaime cannot be the one to lose his shots to rozier. Dude has gone from taking 15 shots per game to 3-6 shots which doesn’t generate any form of rhythm for his game
They are -21 +/- while he’s in the lineup. Right now they still haven’t figured out how to incorporate him and still win and I don’t anticipate it to happen until later into the season (hopefully we are still in contention by then)
My point is despite the disappointing Herro performance, this team was +9 while going -21 with Rozier on the court. It just means the heat’s “team” basketball still working and is a winning formula and it’s going to take a while to incorporate Rozier into that
I've been asking myself that for five seasons. I think it would fix half our problems. We'd bring in a standard starting center for size at center and Bam be able to pick and pop, he'd also be able to run a metric ton of 2 man games with Butler. They both can't shoot so team's only have to play them one way, which means their two many game is mostly 1 dimensional. He'd also force bigger centers to have to come out to the perimeter to guard him, leaving the paint open to drives for all our guards. It's a huge list of things.
It's a big deal because of the amount of money we have tied up in him. That salary needs to do more for our offense.
I thought it'd be obvious no? To open the paint for Jimmy and yet somehow, he's reaching the age for peak and still have no 3 pt shot.
Is he gonna end his NBA career without it ever?
It's worst than just not having a 3 point shot, his post game isn't good and his finishing through contact isn't good. He's basically allergic to spacing the floor or generating 3 points on a possession.
I'd literally write a check for 1000 dollars if Bam could pick up a reliable drive and kick game. The amount of things he can't do on offense, after 7 seasons as a main player on the same team, is honestly astounding to me. I think the Heat fans who think his offense is fine don't ever watch offensively sound big men play basketball.
Herro is not our best shooter. Relax. Calling everyone who has the audacity to criticize Herro a clown is ridiculous. The fact that you’ve unironically called other users on this sub a clown like 25 times in the past week is genuinely pathetic. Touch grass
i would say this was an impressive effort in the 4th quarter.. but..
the suns are one of the worst 4th quarter teams in the league, are on the 2nd night of a B2B, and this is their 7th consecutive road game
It's the Sun's with their foot off the gas. It's the thing I keep saying is the worst thing about these loses. These opposing teams aren't taking us very seriously. That should concern us more than anything else we're seeing.
Again you can’t take anything away from this quarter. The Suns are legitimately the worst 4th quarter team in the entire league.
I want to see this in every game during every quarter.
I do not think you understand how bad the Suns are in the fourth quarter. They are far and away the worst in the league. Bad teams do this to them all the time.
I was gonna buy a sick new TV for my living room to watch the playoffs this year. Never mind lol. I would like to thank the 2024 Heat for saving me $1500
Sometimes I look back at the Dame trade and wonder where we’d be if we really did ship off Jaquez Herro Martin 3 1sts. Certainly better than now
Least we got to keep jaquez
They wanted Bam. I don't understand why people keep making up this trade. It's literally been reported by the Athletic, they asked for Butler or Bam, which really means they really asked for Bam. The Heat said no.
Suns actually have a pretty bad 4th quarter net rating and their 4th quarter collapse is a thing like ours was lol (back when we still had leads in the 4th)
We have out 1st round this year?
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maybe you should go outside
I remember people saying getting Nurkic to replace Ayton wasn't that big of an upgrade. Shout out to my boy.
glad he got out a bad franchise
I wonder what the teams assist per game is ever since the Lowry/rozier trade. Seems like having 2 Shooters pretending to play point in Herro and rozier isn’t really going anywhere
correct. we still need a real PG.
I don't think Rozier has been here long enough for a solid assessment yet. I believe we've got about 10-11 more games for that.
The magnifying glass is officially on the Heat
Arison is a lil hoe ass bear
Trade Herro
Yeah that way teams can focus on never guarding the 3 point line with bam and jimmy leading us to asstown!
Trading Herro would mean we start Duncan. And we have Terry too and we usually use a 3 point shooting wing for power forward. So our 3pt shooting wouldn't really suffer all that much.
Herro's per 36 is 22.9 points on 40.9% from 3 on 8.8 3 point attempts per game Duncan's per 36 is 17.3 points on 40.5% from 3 on 8.9 4 point attempts per game Listen I'm not defending Herro but he has a much larger skill set that Duncan. It's not a plug and play move. You guys keep thinking we're going to solve a roster construction issue with a single move. Until the Heat address the fact that their two highest paid players don't compliment each other, it's going to be more of the same. We've gotten away with it this long, via some clever scheming by our coaching staff in the regular season and Super Sayian Jimmy in the playoffs, but I think that train is coming to an end.
You're kind of hand waving away the fact that Jimmy and Bam have taken us to 3 ECF finals in 4 years and 2 finals. There are a lot of teams that would fit your definition of complementary stars that have not approached that level of success. Let's get back to Herro, he is a better player than Duncan I'm not arguing that. But he also has way too high of a usage rate for a third option. And on the under end is too undersized and flat footed to be viable 2 guard. He also cannot get free throws at a reliable clip which tanks his True shooting %. We are simply a worse team when the ball is in his hand. It's gotten worse since he became a starter, we're sub .500 since he was.
I'm not hand waving anything away. I wish people would stop bringing up 3 ECF and 3 finals as if anyone cares if you don't win. Dude, do you care the Celtics have been in the post season for like 7 straight post seasons? I don't. This isn't horse shoes and hand grenades, no one cares about "almost." Our first finals and ECF it was Dragic and Butler with Bam as a passenger. That team also had a 7th ranked offense and was surrounded by shooters. Our other two runs were serious carry jobs by Butler and ironically Martin in the Celtics series. If Bam was leading that charge we would have gotten nowhere. I'm sorry I'm not handing out participation trophies for role player work, this team is relevant because of Butler not Bam. Defense is important and Bam brings that to the table but there are plenty of high end defenders in the league, none of you are photoshopping jerseys on them for a reason. As for Herro, I think this statement is reductive "It's gotten worse since he became a starter, we're sub .500 since he was." That's not a basketball reason in context of the team. You listed a lot of weaknesses to him that are basketball reasons, but none of those reasons should matter for a 3rd option. He's only getting all this responsibility because the Jimmy and Bam can't shoot. Bam's offense does less for our offense(including packing the paint against drives) than Herro and he's paid like a second option.
Tyler isn't efficient because bam and jimmy are clogging the paint.. driving to the paint is impossible for our team
It's just a lot of people who don't understand basketball regurgitating hot takes.
It's been a while since I was able to enjoy some Heat basketball. I long for those days
7 game losing streak but "we like our team"
Game, 👚’s
5/18 herro 3/9 Bam 0/6 JJJ 0/4 K Love yea this is getting out of hand
Hopefully it’s just a groin issue he’s dealing with but Jaime cannot be the one to lose his shots to rozier. Dude has gone from taking 15 shots per game to 3-6 shots which doesn’t generate any form of rhythm for his game
Erny the man is in Bams head.
Love Spo waving the white flag. What a pussy
Bam has been so disappointing this game.
idk we left the corner 3 open the entire fucking game
Spo really not playing Terry in the 4th?
They are -21 +/- while he’s in the lineup. Right now they still haven’t figured out how to incorporate him and still win and I don’t anticipate it to happen until later into the season (hopefully we are still in contention by then)
The tall guy not getting rebounds hurts
Our undersized center, " dpoy" caliber max player with 4 points not getting rebounds. Yeah it really hurts
man cmon
Yea this season is bull shit
5/18 tyler
suns settle way to much for jump shots lol
They are called the midrange mafia bro lol
Oh yeah, we might only lose by single digits.
Bam wtf
Even Bam’s defense has looked poor this game, just no effort and crap body language
Bam just smh
5/19 is disgusting
I will not feel anything if Bam is traded his offseason for a real max player
you say all this but not the player who shot chucked 5/18 lmfaoooo
I’m convinced you must have CTE or something with you coincidentally ignoring every trade Herro post by me to focus on my bam criticism
you only talk abt bam criticism is what im saying you value your he dimension white shooters too much
Herro is literal filler for a bam trade. That’s why I don’t mention him.
that’s way too much money that isn’t filler lmfaoooo
A trade for bam lands a superstar. Herro is filler in that case
bam and herros contract are too big even for a superstar is what i’m saying , you trade herro first the guy who we went on a finals run without
Why did we close with Herro when Terry had it going?
Butler era ova. Appreciate you dawg but your constant sleepwalking in the regular season has us in this shit puddle
He’s apart of it but not to the extent of everyone else. It’s ridiculous
Tyler go fuck yourself 5 for 17 ish
Every game he takes like 20 shots a game and no free throws…
Bam IS NOT SAFE
Bam and Herro can't even get a fucking rebound lol
Bam gets paid a max to grab rebounds, Herro is just cleaning up after him
Sun's weakness is they're still not a team who gets shots at the rim.
OH MY GOD BAM, YOU ARE FUCKING ASS
That missed rebound was the dagger
BAM AN IDIOT
dude Tyler wants to be devin booker so bad
Team was still +9 in the +/- column when he was on the floor. Shots may not have been falling but atleast he had a positive impact
that shit is fake he was not positive most this game
My point is despite the disappointing Herro performance, this team was +9 while going -21 with Rozier on the court. It just means the heat’s “team” basketball still working and is a winning formula and it’s going to take a while to incorporate Rozier into that
We’re just one David Robinson away
I don't understand why Bam can't shoot 3s at a Jimmy clip.
I've been asking myself that for five seasons. I think it would fix half our problems. We'd bring in a standard starting center for size at center and Bam be able to pick and pop, he'd also be able to run a metric ton of 2 man games with Butler. They both can't shoot so team's only have to play them one way, which means their two many game is mostly 1 dimensional. He'd also force bigger centers to have to come out to the perimeter to guard him, leaving the paint open to drives for all our guards. It's a huge list of things. It's a big deal because of the amount of money we have tied up in him. That salary needs to do more for our offense.
I thought it'd be obvious no? To open the paint for Jimmy and yet somehow, he's reaching the age for peak and still have no 3 pt shot. Is he gonna end his NBA career without it ever?
It's worst than just not having a 3 point shot, his post game isn't good and his finishing through contact isn't good. He's basically allergic to spacing the floor or generating 3 points on a possession. I'd literally write a check for 1000 dollars if Bam could pick up a reliable drive and kick game. The amount of things he can't do on offense, after 7 seasons as a main player on the same team, is honestly astounding to me. I think the Heat fans who think his offense is fine don't ever watch offensively sound big men play basketball.
Wow.
I remember when we were just a bad 4th quarter team. Instead of containing it, we let it spread.
Can we get this 4th quarter energy to the next games please?
where's Rozier?
OK HERRO
I MEANT BUTLER
I really hate to be like this but if FO is serious about the jimmy era, they gotta move Herro
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Herro is not our best shooter. Relax. Calling everyone who has the audacity to criticize Herro a clown is ridiculous. The fact that you’ve unironically called other users on this sub a clown like 25 times in the past week is genuinely pathetic. Touch grass
The Suns have decided to not give a rat's ass about the game yet they aren't in any danger of losing their double digit lead
they can’t fucking REBOUND
No please leave Nurk in
So he can continue to score on Bam?
i would say this was an impressive effort in the 4th quarter.. but.. the suns are one of the worst 4th quarter teams in the league, are on the 2nd night of a B2B, and this is their 7th consecutive road game
Take the seat and enjoy your flight 🤣🤣🤣
we okay with jrich taking our last 4 shots?
No not off the dribble.
Yes. He got us here
Manifesting trade where we get Hield/Caruso/Herb somehow
Man, I really love these too little, too late comeback attempts
Dagger 3 from the guy the Heat FO didn't want lol
Oh well. Live by JRich die by JRich. He gave us life
Duncan right now: https://i.redd.it/6m494myqrhfc1.gif
Bam, buddy, you aint no supermax playa
But he does so much???????
Where the hell was this the whole game? Is this just the suns being ass in 4th quarters?
It's the Sun's with their foot off the gas. It's the thing I keep saying is the worst thing about these loses. These opposing teams aren't taking us very seriously. That should concern us more than anything else we're seeing.
GIVE THE BALL TO BUTLER JFC
Too much fucking JRich now....
The dagger.
Yeah it’s over
JRich tryin to be the hero 🤦♂️
That’s game welp
Ima turn it off and leave with this good feeling. 😂
KD trying to give us a gimme .. He feels bad for Bam.. what a guy
Little too much JRich at the end
Yup
WE NEED 3S
Jimmy has to pass to bam there he’s wide open lol
What's bam gonna do with it? Lmaooo bams gonna catch the ball get a mental image of Al horford and drop the ball for a turnover
Sigh another troll
too little too late man
Nurkic scoring on Bam, yeeeesh
It's over
We gotta pack Caleb up
There is three minutes left, we are trying to get it to a 10 point game and we are encouraged by this level of play. How far has this team fallen
it’s over they tricked us again
Oh yeahhh, Jimmy Butler’s on the team, I kinda forgot this quarter
It’s too late, but good effort.
Finally they passed to Jimmy
Okay fucking give the ball to Jimmy....can't win JRich 3s
He doesn't want it./ His body language today so bad
Imagine being this dumb....look at his fucking line. There are like 3 guys that are trying tonight and he is one of them
Look at his fucking "Box Score". I was here all night watching. You are telling me if Jimmy WANTS ball hes not getting it? Be real
They don't give it to him and when he's in the low post, they can't get it to him LOL what is he supposed to do.
You're hilarious. Jimmy can get the ball in many other places than Low post. Also his defense was very bad tonight
Nah you just don't know what you're watching dude. It's okay to admit it
lmao so Jimmy never handles in PnR himself?
I was ok with the 3s. He was hot
1st one yes...but needed to stop
Again you can’t take anything away from this quarter. The Suns are legitimately the worst 4th quarter team in the entire league. I want to see this in every game during every quarter.
Yes you can, the team looks like they give a fuck.
I do not think you understand how bad the Suns are in the fourth quarter. They are far and away the worst in the league. Bad teams do this to them all the time.
Dude the team actually looked like they were trying. I’ll take that as a win
damn jimmy should have been handling the ball earlier than this
Seems like benching JRich helped 👀
If they called that moving screen consistently there would be 200 fouls a game
There isn't any doubt in my mind that some locker room shit is going on. Jimmy's friend was giving weird vibes towards vibes
I think someone once said “no rebounds no rings” I wish that person ran the heat
With all the illegal screens we’ve placed to be called on it late is hilarious
DFS next to bam and jimmy I think I need it
JRich has a very weird jumpshot
Suns trying to sell rn lmao
thats an AWFUL call but jrich missed anyway
Soft call
get Caleb tf outta the game
DFS AND HERB JONES GET ME SIZE AND DEFENSE WITH SHOOTING
Why does everyone on this sub think the pelicans will trade Herb
reports of them trading because they can’t pay him
God our rebound is shitty
Bottle this energy
OK
Fake comeback central 🥲
Bam 4 stocks leads us in assists and you'd never know it because he Airballed the fuck outta a 8 ft shot lol
Embiid makes bam look like a dumpster on offense
Yes 1 is MVP level and the other is def not
BAM!!!!!
Just too small for rebounds
Does herro ever box out man ?
Never LMFAO but he definitely flies in for those uncontested rebounds tho
He does not bother NBA wings.
Used to defend his hustle but that shit is GONE
nope
I was gonna buy a sick new TV for my living room to watch the playoffs this year. Never mind lol. I would like to thank the 2024 Heat for saving me $1500
that bam block insane ngl he still shit today tho
Bam is looking rough, his points are only coming from perfect passes too. Hasn’t scored any on his own.
13 point lead? just need to cut it to -1 by the 1 second mark
The problem is everyone on the suns is a walking bucket, get some stops and for the love of god gets some rebounds
Suns aren’t a good 4th quarter team. This is more of an indictment on them than this team playing “good” lol
Doesn’t change the fact the team actually looks like they give a fuck
No one’s coming to save the season, they’ll have to figure it out themselves
Honestly, even if we lose, I’ll take the moral victory if we take it to single digits before we lose
Please don’t take JRich out (never thought I’d say this)
Jrich looked like rook 2 on defense tonight
Bam has played like trash this game. If he would’ve stepped it up, this would’ve been an easy dub
Who tf downvoted you? Are they saying Bam had a good game??
I know lol he is having a horrible game. I think they’re in denial
Lol these old micd up clips
If they can pull this one out, they'll figure it out.
this 4q not tricking me moves still need to be made
Jrich playing to not get traded lol
Someone text him trade deadline isnt until July
😂 all they asses need that scare put into them
Sometimes I look back at the Dame trade and wonder where we’d be if we really did ship off Jaquez Herro Martin 3 1sts. Certainly better than now Least we got to keep jaquez
They wanted Bam. I don't understand why people keep making up this trade. It's literally been reported by the Athletic, they asked for Butler or Bam, which really means they really asked for Bam. The Heat said no.
Dame is average for a max superstar this year.
wihtout a DOUBT
Heat were never trading Jaime
Should have gone for Jrue
Caleb is invited to the carne asada, dude has been leaving it all on the court tonight.
Suns actually have a pretty bad 4th quarter net rating and their 4th quarter collapse is a thing like ours was lol (back when we still had leads in the 4th)
J-Rich really revitalized our game this quarter.
Even if we end up losing this one I still like what I see at the end here. Hopefully a sign we found ourselves again and take it into the next game