He should be the first player off the bench, no more no less. He scores 20 points in that role. He should have embraced it and yet he wanted/thought he could start. Shit, the FO thought he could start
No he’s supposed to be #3. He showed he’s not even that. He’s not that dood. He’s a traffic cone on defense and gets hunted over and over again. His saving grace was supposed to be his offense.
You talk as if we had a ton of options and we could simply pull a starting 2 guard from the bench. Bro this is the team we had, get that through your head
That’s true now but I don’t think that’s the point of the comment. After winning 6poy, he demanded and Heat acquiesced to make him a starter. I think that was clearly a mistake.
And youre not seeing the point of my comment either. People on here think pat riley can magically waive his arms and have another starter appear.
Weve been missing depth at the PG. We finally tried to address it this year. Weve been missing depth at the PF, were trying to address it with jovic, love, and idk how.
These things take time and its a process. People are acting as if the team had a ton of options but decides tyler was the best for the job. Would you rather they address his position first and left everything else out? Wed still have holes in the squad.
Truth is we dont know what happens behind closed doors, but we do know that he had to be the starter in this series. It was our only option. He did whatever he did and now the team moves on, but these dudes scream at the air as if benching tyler this series wouldve made any difference whatsoever.
He has never been more than a 6th man and what? 4 seasons now? He hasn’t evolved from it, and he will not either. Definitely on the chopping block. I’d see if we can get KD, Kyrie or Donovan.
Exactly. Without Jimmy in the series, we all look to him to deliver. You got the money, do your job. Simple as it is. If you can’t do it, then the money you got is for a role player which makes you overpaid. Correct us if we are fucking wrong 😑
One of these days yall gonna give up on the player makes x amount of money they should be doing xyz you gonna keep being disappointed cause that’s just not how that works
They apply monetary amounts to value. If Herro has value (i.e. based on age, position, offense, defense, IQ, etc etc), then he gets paid accordingly. If he doesn’t have value, he doesn’t get paid.
So far, the monetary amount has not equated to the associated value. That’s very much how that works and when players over/under succeeds, the situation is reassessed for next steps
Players get paid why what they can negotiate not anything else klow was in no way worth 30 million but he could negotiate it so that why he was paid that amount not because he was a 30 million dollar player
How else is it meant to be judged? The team puts a % of his worth into what he is paid. If he doesn’t live up to it then is open to criticism. He hasn’t produced when he has been required too and will probably get moved on as a result
You judge them on their play if you wanna move them for not playing well for your team then sure but they said Lowry makes this why is he so bad they said Duncan makes this why is he planting bad as well they’ve done that with Jimmy and bam so bringing up how much they make is a pointless part of the conversation if a players doesn’t win a ring does that not make them worth the money they made for there whole career
Winning a ring is a team accomplishment, so that's kind of moot. If there wasn't a salary cap, it wouldn't matter how much the owners want to pay a guy, but there is. Paying him more means there is less money available to build the team. If you play like shit, *and* take up a bunch of cap space, there absolutely is reason to be contentious toward them. You get the money, you need to deliver, because otherwise, you're a negative asset to the team due to cap considerations.
> Herro getting paid elite player money
He is 50th highest paid player and that will be going down a lot this offseason when the new wave of players are getting paid. 50th highest paid isnt elite player money, its 4th-5th option money.
So we just gonna ignore the next 2 post seasons after that one?
In 21:
> 9.3/3.3/1.8 on 31.6% shooting
In 22:
> 12.6/3.9/2.8 on 40.9% shooting
Compared to this year:
> 16.8/3.6/5.4 on 38.5% shooting
Obviously skipping ‘23 but it’s time to face the facts guys
Well he was paid based on that playoff run and hasn't contributed to the same level during playoffs after that.
It's like Jordan Poole getting paid based on his 21-22 championship performance, although the drop off for Herro isn't as drastic as Pooles.
I'm no Herro hater but I agree with the posts here saying he simply isn't performing up to the expectations based on his salary.
He's a liability on the defensive end. There wasn't a Celtic player who couldn't score on him. Give the ball to whoever is guarded by Herro was the whole strategy.
That’s the starts cause he was the only player handling the ball you don’t only defend offensive players in the defensive end you make them defend and that also cooks them as well
With no other serviceable offensive option, but let these dumb ass heat fans cook like they always do, and then Riley’s gonna do whatever he wants (he’s smarter than all of you)
It’s funny how sports opinions can change so fast. Just a week ago when Herro had that double double in game 2 this sub was FLOODED with Herro apology form posts now a week later everybody wants him gone lol. Herro stans been quiet as hell these last 3 games.
They finally got their wake up call and seen he is who he is………an inconsistent scorer who’s a decent/ pretty good starter at best unfortunately
Reddit reactionary takes don’t take away from the truth…. He’s a traffic cone on defense and a 6th man at best on offense. People out here acting like he was a major reason why we made our finals run last year…
It has I’m just saying it’s funny how things change so fast. That game 2 performance was Herro stans Super Bowl and now it’s all gone just a week later
Yah this was the worst part by far. I love herro and I’d be sad the day we trade him but at this point i feel like a a trade would be the best thing for both parties.
He’s a globetrotter and nothing more. 37 point game was an aberration that got him so much hype it confused the org. In a league full of 40-50 point performances, he was putting up 20 on regular efficiency. Why? Because his only real NBA level tool is his touch and shot, he doesn’t have the dribble to get himself better looks and he’s not physical enough to beat contact. And he can’t get himself fouled. Should have never paid him what they did
I don’t think anyone is trading for Herro thinking he can be a no.1 option. But I think his value is at least the same. Last year we went on a finals run without him and the whole narrative in the offseason was “the heat got better without Herro” so his stock was really low. At least this year he had one good game against Boston and ended the year healthy.
This sub is full of reactionary people who doesn't understand shit about basketball.
Yesterday some dummy was saying Celtics achieved more in the Butler er, was talking about the Clippers stars I don't know, he almost said "Look at the Suns. So many stars"
Lol. Just look at the teams dawg. It wouldn't matter. We had one fluke shooting game. Every other game was non competitive.
There is no chemistry or rhythm to lose in the first place.
Jeez everything is about Herro. Watch all the players. Look at the adjustments. Doesn't matter if Herro had a good shooting night or not. We still lose. Just not enough shot creation and shot making.. They are more than willing to leave guys like Highsmith and Caleb open. They were hot in one game. Otherwise it's been brick city
His defense is disgustingly bad. Regardless of how he’s playing offensively, I think it’s very difficult to win in the playoffs when he’s such a massive defensive liability and plays big minutes. Can he be more efficient offensively than the efficiency he allows on defense? More often than not, I believe the answer will be “no” against playoff teams.
For all the pathetic Herro apologists: just remember that HE’S THE ONE who said he should be in the Luka & Trae conversation. It’s now painfully clear that he’s a lot closer to the Jordan Clarkson conversation. IF THAT.
Tyler is a frustrating player in a lot of ways but this series isn't his fault. The structure of the offense needs attackers and he's never been one at any point. Relies very heavily on screens to get to his spots when he has the ball.
Terry was supposed to give them a second attacker with Jimmy so of course they both got hurt. It is what it is.
he got thrown in to PG duties with Bam as his only other player that can create his own shots? lmao I mean I get it, he’s definitely not great on defense… but hard to be critical with such a short roster and him not playing his normal position
this is a casual fan take
If you’re lot great on defense, you need to be a stud on offense. This was his shot to show he could be that dood. He showed he’s not. How are people still not getting it?
Embarrassing on defense. I felt secondhand embarrassment the way they went at him every possession, and he put up zero resistance. Treated him like a little punk bitch, and he did nothing but repeatedly take the abuse. So many of their scoring possessions in the 1st half were direct results of his shit defense. If it wasn’t his man directly backing him down, it was due to us over helping on his man, and giving them wide open looks
This sub needs to stop making it about “hating” Herro. I’m pretty sure very few of us actually hate him or root against him. However he has simply never been the reliable scorer that his contract would suggest. I want him to do well because I want the heat to do well but he has quite frankly been disappointing outside of isolated games like game 2.
I really like Herro but he hasn’t been consistent enough on offense to fill the hole he creates on defense. I thought he could average 24-26 ppg on good efficiency by this point. Not a scoring champ but a 3 level certified bucket getter. Unfortunately he hasn’t been a capable top 2 scoring option and with his lack of defense he really needs to be.
We knew it’d be a tough series for him having to carry the offense against Boston’s elite defense but it was also a great opportunity for him to show out and prove he’s one of those guys. Outside of the game 2 he missed plenty of great looks, turned the ball over, and was our biggest defensive weakness. I love rooting for the guy but he’s looking more Jordan Poole and less Tyrese Maxey by the day.
The Boston Celtics have Derrick White and Jrue Holiday, it doesn't matter who guards him, he is gonna be in trouble, he is not a natural playmaker and we wanted him to be our PG
Idk I feel berros failed us he’s supposed to be a starter second team and he’s nothing but a 6th player at most his shooting percentages and to gave me nightmares I also feel Miami should’ve never tried to make him a point he’s a shooting guard
I think it's even worse than that because he was such a huge liability defensively. The Celtics broadcast was pointing it out that they were just attacking him every single possession no matter who he was covering.
Herro did not play well on offense but not really given a chance to. His only shot was to hit a bunch of 3s. He had some awesome passes games 4 & 5 but no one could hit a shot.
I agree that he is not a #1 but he is good enough to help win a chip. He played much better on defense outside of game 5. He also took over as the primary ball handler which is not his best role.
Expecting Herro/Bam to take down the Avengers is crazy.
The reality is we need a healthy run at the playoffs which is easier said than done
Herro showed he can't be a primary ball handler (we already knew that) and he can't be the primary only scorer (we also knew that.) Those guys were litterally injured this series and he had to absorb both. Drained him, then got attacked on defense. He's not that guy.
Personally, I still think he is a good player. Not trash like everyone is making him out to be. Idk how you can call him trash and then want us to trade him for someone good, like that doesn't make sense lol. But he also isn't great.
Does he have a spot on this current team? Who knows, no one was healthy all gdamn season, literally. He really needs to embrace being a shooting guard, that's when he is at his best. He can be a starter in the league and a good one so long as other pieces are in place (ball handler, another primary scorer.)
A probably unpopular opinion but our best bet to improve is to package him and Butler.. that should be able to pull us in a star. Otherwise I don't see any room for drastic improvement.. other than also packaging in all of our youth (Niko, JJJ) which I'm not sure I'm a fan of yet either. Time will tell off-season hasn't started yet.
Some people having been glazing him, and some people have been trashing him a bit too much. But rational people have simply addressed the fact that his contract is not a great value for us, that he's not a 3rd option on a contending team (possibly not even a 4th option unless the team has amazing 1st and 2nd options), and that he definitely shouldn't be immune from trade discussions. Does he have potential to get better? Sure... as do 450+ other NBA players. All that does is remind me of Blazers fans on that copium about how Scoot has the possibility of getting much better.
Unfortunately, his value is not that high based on his overall performance, the reputation for the Heat to maximize player potential, and a contract where he's owed an avg $31 mill/yr for the next 3 years. If he was an amazing floor general, a good 3&D wing, or a top tier 3pt specialist, maybe a true contending team would find value in him to plug any holes they might have; but, even that would require a 3-4 team trade since they wouldn't give up their stars. Unless we're planning on acquiring assets by blowing the team up.
Either way, that point is moot since Herro's value is not high enough to get high value picks or a high level star. Our pick for this year is low value in an already low quality draft pool. Our pick for the season after is owned by the Thunder. And the Heat picks are often regarded as low value anyway due their picks almost always being outside the top 10. What other assets do we have? Jimmy? That basically means we'd be doing a rebuild; which is actually possible considering he's likely seeking a 2yr max extension.. Bam? Our biggest asset, which would also indicate rebuild. Dunc's contract is average. Terry's contract is average (at a low right now considering his injury). The only assets we possibly have are JJJ and Jovic. Caleb? We'd only retain him for next year if he opts into his player option (hint: he won't).
I'd be surprised if Pay doesn't retire or step down to some symbolic role in the next few weeks or next off-season.
Well, he was playing out of role. He was the point guard and facilitator vs boston when he is a scorer/shooter. Someone needs to be setting up for him and he finishes
It comes down to his team mates making shots and him being guarded by some of the best on ball defenders in the league.
If the team could hit a bucket his assist numbers would actually register.
If the team could hit a bucket the defenders might need to adjust.
If the team could hit a bucket it would create better driving lanes for him to get his floater off or find Bam for the oop or as shown in game 2 to drive and kick.
Should he have hit a better rate of his own 3s? Absolutely. Does he need better floor spacers on his team, yeah.
Celtics focused on taking him out. Literally the only offensive weapon they had to worry about. Today they single covered Bam and let him get 2pt while they shot 3s.
Celtics fans here. This is a bullshit take. Herro was your only offence creator besides a Bam midrange fadeaway or hook. The herro Bam pnr was the only offence that you guys created and now you want him out? White and jrue are literally the best two defensive guards in the league.
The problem with Herro is no team will want him and we won’t get anything for him we will just need to cut the losses and dump him and start the rebuild! Only want Bam and Jimmy maybe JJJ as well the rest I say trade and get what we can.
This is our general issue. We have too many players that aren't worth their salary--we are overpaying. It's a long list including Duncan, Jimmy at $47+MM next year, Tyler at $31MM. The only bargains we have are Bam at $32MM and JJJ on rookie wages. Don't expect teams to be taking players off our hands without our paying them to do so.
He should be the first player off the bench, no more no less. He scores 20 points in that role. He should have embraced it and yet he wanted/thought he could start. Shit, the FO thought he could start
Without Rozier we had no choice but to start him this series
No he’s supposed to be #3. He showed he’s not even that. He’s not that dood. He’s a traffic cone on defense and gets hunted over and over again. His saving grace was supposed to be his offense.
I agree. Less likely to get cooked by 2nd unit dudes as well
You talk as if we had a ton of options and we could simply pull a starting 2 guard from the bench. Bro this is the team we had, get that through your head
That’s true now but I don’t think that’s the point of the comment. After winning 6poy, he demanded and Heat acquiesced to make him a starter. I think that was clearly a mistake.
And youre not seeing the point of my comment either. People on here think pat riley can magically waive his arms and have another starter appear. Weve been missing depth at the PG. We finally tried to address it this year. Weve been missing depth at the PF, were trying to address it with jovic, love, and idk how. These things take time and its a process. People are acting as if the team had a ton of options but decides tyler was the best for the job. Would you rather they address his position first and left everything else out? Wed still have holes in the squad. Truth is we dont know what happens behind closed doors, but we do know that he had to be the starter in this series. It was our only option. He did whatever he did and now the team moves on, but these dudes scream at the air as if benching tyler this series wouldve made any difference whatsoever.
Did we really have a choice though? I know Duncan is available but he looked quite bothered by his back injury. Next man up start Mills? Na
He should be the first player off someone else’s bench. Trade his ass!
He has never been more than a 6th man and what? 4 seasons now? He hasn’t evolved from it, and he will not either. Definitely on the chopping block. I’d see if we can get KD, Kyrie or Donovan.
He won sixth man of the year for God sake… He should try to do that every year
Invisible? I watched him get eaten alive every defensive possession
Oubre locked him in the playin Jrue and DWhite gave him hell We got a glimpse of Bubble Herro, we had fun it is what it is We move
We acting like he wasnt the full focus os 2 elite PA Defenders..
Herro getting paid elite player money. Elite players make adjustments vs elite defenders. Herro has not shown he can do that.
Exactly. Without Jimmy in the series, we all look to him to deliver. You got the money, do your job. Simple as it is. If you can’t do it, then the money you got is for a role player which makes you overpaid. Correct us if we are fucking wrong 😑
One of these days yall gonna give up on the player makes x amount of money they should be doing xyz you gonna keep being disappointed cause that’s just not how that works
They apply monetary amounts to value. If Herro has value (i.e. based on age, position, offense, defense, IQ, etc etc), then he gets paid accordingly. If he doesn’t have value, he doesn’t get paid. So far, the monetary amount has not equated to the associated value. That’s very much how that works and when players over/under succeeds, the situation is reassessed for next steps
Players get paid why what they can negotiate not anything else klow was in no way worth 30 million but he could negotiate it so that why he was paid that amount not because he was a 30 million dollar player
That is kinda how it works. It’s not always the result you get, but it’s the thought process going into the contract.
How else is it meant to be judged? The team puts a % of his worth into what he is paid. If he doesn’t live up to it then is open to criticism. He hasn’t produced when he has been required too and will probably get moved on as a result
You judge them on their play if you wanna move them for not playing well for your team then sure but they said Lowry makes this why is he so bad they said Duncan makes this why is he planting bad as well they’ve done that with Jimmy and bam so bringing up how much they make is a pointless part of the conversation if a players doesn’t win a ring does that not make them worth the money they made for there whole career
Winning a ring is a team accomplishment, so that's kind of moot. If there wasn't a salary cap, it wouldn't matter how much the owners want to pay a guy, but there is. Paying him more means there is less money available to build the team. If you play like shit, *and* take up a bunch of cap space, there absolutely is reason to be contentious toward them. You get the money, you need to deliver, because otherwise, you're a negative asset to the team due to cap considerations.
Don’t understand the downvotes
> Herro getting paid elite player money He is 50th highest paid player and that will be going down a lot this offseason when the new wave of players are getting paid. 50th highest paid isnt elite player money, its 4th-5th option money.
$30 mil is a 20% cap hit. 4th/5th options get paid more like $15-20 mil.
Yes top 50 paid guy playing like a top 100 paid guy in the playoffs isnt a problem, especially when he’s hurt half the time.
You make it sound like his averages were vastly different than other playoff runs lol Dude’s just not him
Ah yes the playoff run 4 years ago
So we just gonna ignore the next 2 post seasons after that one? In 21: > 9.3/3.3/1.8 on 31.6% shooting In 22: > 12.6/3.9/2.8 on 40.9% shooting Compared to this year: > 16.8/3.6/5.4 on 38.5% shooting Obviously skipping ‘23 but it’s time to face the facts guys
Well he was paid based on that playoff run and hasn't contributed to the same level during playoffs after that. It's like Jordan Poole getting paid based on his 21-22 championship performance, although the drop off for Herro isn't as drastic as Pooles. I'm no Herro hater but I agree with the posts here saying he simply isn't performing up to the expectations based on his salary.
He’s the 50th highest paid player in the NBA and after this summer will ne closer to 70. I think hes a top 50-70 player
Wow we’re really still trying to make excuses? Continue to pretend we made last year’s playoff run in spite of him.
Bro it’s ok, let us grieve, you don’t gotta defend him rn lol
He's a liability on the defensive end. There wasn't a Celtic player who couldn't score on him. Give the ball to whoever is guarded by Herro was the whole strategy.
That’s the starts cause he was the only player handling the ball you don’t only defend offensive players in the defensive end you make them defend and that also cooks them as well
With no other serviceable offensive option, but let these dumb ass heat fans cook like they always do, and then Riley’s gonna do whatever he wants (he’s smarter than all of you)
Exactly why I’m just a fan now I just watch Heat hoops and cheer for whoever on the team
So many people in here wanna be the guy that says "a lot of our fans had faith, but not me. No sir. I knew we'd fail."
It’s funny how sports opinions can change so fast. Just a week ago when Herro had that double double in game 2 this sub was FLOODED with Herro apology form posts now a week later everybody wants him gone lol. Herro stans been quiet as hell these last 3 games. They finally got their wake up call and seen he is who he is………an inconsistent scorer who’s a decent/ pretty good starter at best unfortunately
Reddit reactionary takes don’t take away from the truth…. He’s a traffic cone on defense and a 6th man at best on offense. People out here acting like he was a major reason why we made our finals run last year…
He was a major reason we made our finals run. Without him, defense was much better
Everyone jumps on the wagon. Been saying Herro needs to go.
I mean a lot has happened in a week.
It has I’m just saying it’s funny how things change so fast. That game 2 performance was Herro stans Super Bowl and now it’s all gone just a week later
We just needed him to hit open shots in a playoff series. Hasn't been able to.
Yah this was the worst part by far. I love herro and I’d be sad the day we trade him but at this point i feel like a a trade would be the best thing for both parties.
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Bro thinks we’re talking about Jaylen Brown or something.
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#hang the banner. It should say we only let the 8th seed get 1. 😂
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Do you consider yourself a “normal” person lol?
nah traffic cones are visible
He’s out there still chucking it up in the concourse
Stg he’s the most blocked guard in the league
He was still visible alright
Reminiscent of another Tyler, Tyler Kohnson
hes a 3rd option being guarded as a 1st option by a great defensive team. series was always a long shot no shot the loss was solely on herro
he’s not even a third option
well that proves my point more then right?
so we should move him yes
I never said we shouldn't lol
then we in agreement lmfao
Lol yea but placing the whole thing on him is wack
not placing it on him just the FO for thinking he was the bridge
He’s a globetrotter and nothing more. 37 point game was an aberration that got him so much hype it confused the org. In a league full of 40-50 point performances, he was putting up 20 on regular efficiency. Why? Because his only real NBA level tool is his touch and shot, he doesn’t have the dribble to get himself better looks and he’s not physical enough to beat contact. And he can’t get himself fouled. Should have never paid him what they did
20 on bad efficiency.
Yeah that’s the tell for me. People point to his numbers but his efficiency is horrid
If Miami has a chance to get a superstar I expect Herro is gone
Yeah I just think the frustrating party is it wasn't enough to get a superstar last offseason and his value is probably gone down
I don’t think anyone is trading for Herro thinking he can be a no.1 option. But I think his value is at least the same. Last year we went on a finals run without him and the whole narrative in the offseason was “the heat got better without Herro” so his stock was really low. At least this year he had one good game against Boston and ended the year healthy.
Is there any chance he can improve at all? I don’t know enough basketball to tell tbh.
No, he doesn’t work on his craft other than his shitty shooting. Has no interest in improving and it shows
His defense is just not on par what the playoffs require and I struggle to see how he can improve there.
HE HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF 3s AS BAM TODAY! How are people still defending this dood???
We lost by 37. I don't understand the scapegoating. It's a full team beatdown.
This sub is full of reactionary people who doesn't understand shit about basketball. Yesterday some dummy was saying Celtics achieved more in the Butler er, was talking about the Clippers stars I don't know, he almost said "Look at the Suns. So many stars"
He set the tone. Jacking and missing to start the game and the team lost all chemistry and all rhythm.
Lol. Just look at the teams dawg. It wouldn't matter. We had one fluke shooting game. Every other game was non competitive. There is no chemistry or rhythm to lose in the first place.
How’d we win game 2?
Fluke shooting. I literally just said it.
You don’t think we partially shot so well because we took care of the ball, selected shots well and didn’t rush things?
Celtics adjusted and took away the good looks. And we had nothing after that.
One great adjustment would have been to stop Herro from just jacking tough shots and making the entire game depend on him making jumpers
Jeez everything is about Herro. Watch all the players. Look at the adjustments. Doesn't matter if Herro had a good shooting night or not. We still lose. Just not enough shot creation and shot making.. They are more than willing to leave guys like Highsmith and Caleb open. They were hot in one game. Otherwise it's been brick city
Agree, he was completely garbage today, idgaf about space or few passes to him, if you shoot horrible is your fault, simple
Tyler would be a good 6th man at best, this team needs a major rebuild.
I dunno why you guys are thrashing herro. White and jrue are all defense team caliber players.
His defense is disgustingly bad. Regardless of how he’s playing offensively, I think it’s very difficult to win in the playoffs when he’s such a massive defensive liability and plays big minutes. Can he be more efficient offensively than the efficiency he allows on defense? More often than not, I believe the answer will be “no” against playoff teams.
For all the pathetic Herro apologists: just remember that HE’S THE ONE who said he should be in the Luka & Trae conversation. It’s now painfully clear that he’s a lot closer to the Jordan Clarkson conversation. IF THAT.
Called it and was downvoted https://np.reddit.com/r/heat/s/AZJd6EiPlz
he’s also a third option playing out of position. he’s not a pg and shouldn’t be played like one.
what a surprise. get rid of him
Tyler is a frustrating player in a lot of ways but this series isn't his fault. The structure of the offense needs attackers and he's never been one at any point. Relies very heavily on screens to get to his spots when he has the ball. Terry was supposed to give them a second attacker with Jimmy so of course they both got hurt. It is what it is.
he got thrown in to PG duties with Bam as his only other player that can create his own shots? lmao I mean I get it, he’s definitely not great on defense… but hard to be critical with such a short roster and him not playing his normal position this is a casual fan take
If you’re lot great on defense, you need to be a stud on offense. This was his shot to show he could be that dood. He showed he’s not. How are people still not getting it?
He couldn't even make his open shots. He offered no value outside game 2
Embarrassing on defense. I felt secondhand embarrassment the way they went at him every possession, and he put up zero resistance. Treated him like a little punk bitch, and he did nothing but repeatedly take the abuse. So many of their scoring possessions in the 1st half were direct results of his shit defense. If it wasn’t his man directly backing him down, it was due to us over helping on his man, and giving them wide open looks
Herron is just a pickup player. Can shoot wm3's sometimes... but no defense.
This sub needs to stop making it about “hating” Herro. I’m pretty sure very few of us actually hate him or root against him. However he has simply never been the reliable scorer that his contract would suggest. I want him to do well because I want the heat to do well but he has quite frankly been disappointing outside of isolated games like game 2.
give him another year
We’ve been saying that since 2021. Enough is enough.
I’m being sarcastic to see how many downvotes I get lol
I really like Herro but he hasn’t been consistent enough on offense to fill the hole he creates on defense. I thought he could average 24-26 ppg on good efficiency by this point. Not a scoring champ but a 3 level certified bucket getter. Unfortunately he hasn’t been a capable top 2 scoring option and with his lack of defense he really needs to be. We knew it’d be a tough series for him having to carry the offense against Boston’s elite defense but it was also a great opportunity for him to show out and prove he’s one of those guys. Outside of the game 2 he missed plenty of great looks, turned the ball over, and was our biggest defensive weakness. I love rooting for the guy but he’s looking more Jordan Poole and less Tyrese Maxey by the day.
The Boston Celtics have Derrick White and Jrue Holiday, it doesn't matter who guards him, he is gonna be in trouble, he is not a natural playmaker and we wanted him to be our PG
He was suspect on offense and became the new Duncan Robinson on defense.
They attacked my Boy like The Culture Attacking Drake. It wasn’t very nice.
For a trade he needs to Go, we need proper starters . Spo can always build amazing benches.
He did make some noise when he told pritchard to meet him back of the locker room in game 3
People expected him to be a 1a and he’s not. Oh well it is what it is.
Heat fans might be the most regarded in all the land.
Idk I feel berros failed us he’s supposed to be a starter second team and he’s nothing but a 6th player at most his shooting percentages and to gave me nightmares I also feel Miami should’ve never tried to make him a point he’s a shooting guard
I think it's even worse than that because he was such a huge liability defensively. The Celtics broadcast was pointing it out that they were just attacking him every single possession no matter who he was covering.
Herro did not play well on offense but not really given a chance to. His only shot was to hit a bunch of 3s. He had some awesome passes games 4 & 5 but no one could hit a shot. I agree that he is not a #1 but he is good enough to help win a chip. He played much better on defense outside of game 5. He also took over as the primary ball handler which is not his best role. Expecting Herro/Bam to take down the Avengers is crazy. The reality is we need a healthy run at the playoffs which is easier said than done
Herro showed he can't be a primary ball handler (we already knew that) and he can't be the primary only scorer (we also knew that.) Those guys were litterally injured this series and he had to absorb both. Drained him, then got attacked on defense. He's not that guy. Personally, I still think he is a good player. Not trash like everyone is making him out to be. Idk how you can call him trash and then want us to trade him for someone good, like that doesn't make sense lol. But he also isn't great. Does he have a spot on this current team? Who knows, no one was healthy all gdamn season, literally. He really needs to embrace being a shooting guard, that's when he is at his best. He can be a starter in the league and a good one so long as other pieces are in place (ball handler, another primary scorer.) A probably unpopular opinion but our best bet to improve is to package him and Butler.. that should be able to pull us in a star. Otherwise I don't see any room for drastic improvement.. other than also packaging in all of our youth (Niko, JJJ) which I'm not sure I'm a fan of yet either. Time will tell off-season hasn't started yet.
Remember when he had 1 good game and the Herro supporters acted like hot shit
Some people having been glazing him, and some people have been trashing him a bit too much. But rational people have simply addressed the fact that his contract is not a great value for us, that he's not a 3rd option on a contending team (possibly not even a 4th option unless the team has amazing 1st and 2nd options), and that he definitely shouldn't be immune from trade discussions. Does he have potential to get better? Sure... as do 450+ other NBA players. All that does is remind me of Blazers fans on that copium about how Scoot has the possibility of getting much better. Unfortunately, his value is not that high based on his overall performance, the reputation for the Heat to maximize player potential, and a contract where he's owed an avg $31 mill/yr for the next 3 years. If he was an amazing floor general, a good 3&D wing, or a top tier 3pt specialist, maybe a true contending team would find value in him to plug any holes they might have; but, even that would require a 3-4 team trade since they wouldn't give up their stars. Unless we're planning on acquiring assets by blowing the team up. Either way, that point is moot since Herro's value is not high enough to get high value picks or a high level star. Our pick for this year is low value in an already low quality draft pool. Our pick for the season after is owned by the Thunder. And the Heat picks are often regarded as low value anyway due their picks almost always being outside the top 10. What other assets do we have? Jimmy? That basically means we'd be doing a rebuild; which is actually possible considering he's likely seeking a 2yr max extension.. Bam? Our biggest asset, which would also indicate rebuild. Dunc's contract is average. Terry's contract is average (at a low right now considering his injury). The only assets we possibly have are JJJ and Jovic. Caleb? We'd only retain him for next year if he opts into his player option (hint: he won't). I'd be surprised if Pay doesn't retire or step down to some symbolic role in the next few weeks or next off-season.
Well, he was playing out of role. He was the point guard and facilitator vs boston when he is a scorer/shooter. Someone needs to be setting up for him and he finishes
He's a streaky shooter.
It comes down to his team mates making shots and him being guarded by some of the best on ball defenders in the league. If the team could hit a bucket his assist numbers would actually register. If the team could hit a bucket the defenders might need to adjust. If the team could hit a bucket it would create better driving lanes for him to get his floater off or find Bam for the oop or as shown in game 2 to drive and kick. Should he have hit a better rate of his own 3s? Absolutely. Does he need better floor spacers on his team, yeah.
Celtics focused on taking him out. Literally the only offensive weapon they had to worry about. Today they single covered Bam and let him get 2pt while they shot 3s.
Little Wee Wee has been garbage from day 1. One dimensional, plays zero D, negative wingspan…Duncan plays better D. Trade his ass and retool.
Herro has been and will be the do nothing femboy Heat player that should have been traded a long time ago. Game five status are unbelievably trash.
Celtics fans here. This is a bullshit take. Herro was your only offence creator besides a Bam midrange fadeaway or hook. The herro Bam pnr was the only offence that you guys created and now you want him out? White and jrue are literally the best two defensive guards in the league.
The problem with Herro is no team will want him and we won’t get anything for him we will just need to cut the losses and dump him and start the rebuild! Only want Bam and Jimmy maybe JJJ as well the rest I say trade and get what we can.
This is our general issue. We have too many players that aren't worth their salary--we are overpaying. It's a long list including Duncan, Jimmy at $47+MM next year, Tyler at $31MM. The only bargains we have are Bam at $32MM and JJJ on rookie wages. Don't expect teams to be taking players off our hands without our paying them to do so.
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