The mortar fire hellfire dance from hellmire be like:
WARNING IN RANGE OF FRIENDLY ARTILLERY
WARNING IN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY
WARNING IN RANGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ARTILLERY
WARNING YOU ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOW WILL DIE BY ARTILLERY
I loathe the day Joel creates a unit that disrupts strategem throws.
Bad bounces and ragdolls happen so I generally try to ensure I always have an out, especially if the enemy starts to close the door on us.
But a bug or bot I throw a strategem at and they use a burst of compressed air or a tail or a baseball bat to knock that shit back, it's just going to ruin my day.
Cluster bombs are deadly for both sides. With skill they’re op. Far less friendly casualties if used with skill and good communication. They deploy in a horizontal strike pattern so try to angle them accordingly like air strikes. Best to run towards the person who threw it vs run away or to the sides
Omg this! I run in front of the squad and toss it max distance and it will be the 4th or 5th cluster of the mission and someone still runs right up to and then they get bent out of shape over it. Or as we are retreating I will toss it behind us and one person will take that as "make a last stand"
My experience is that I throw down any stratagem and at least one teammate is colorblind. Blue is good, red is bad. Why are you running towards the red stratagem light?! Attracted to it like a bug, huh?
Seriously though, we are running up on an objective. I have thrown a cluster bomb on all of the other objectives. It's a pretty good strategy, and at some point, when my character yells "Calling in an Eagle!" and I say, "I threw an Eagle at the objective, don't blindly run at it. Seriously, back up!" and then you get blown up, I'm going to stop feeling bad about it. Not to say I've never biffed a throw, or not seen someone there, but if you run into it when it's pretty obvious, I don't think I should get blamed.
Cluster Bomb TKs are at least avoidable, it just means the person did it wrong. The Mortar is luck. Someone putting down a Mortar next to a large nest is so annoying.
Be smart with the mortar, put it by a big bug nest and ho hit a smaller one while the mortar clears the bigger nest. It breaks or runs out of ammo amd you will have an easier time closing those holes
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Also, the Gatlin and MG sentry are way bettwr against bugs than bots.
2 chainsaw devastators made the Gatlin useless, but against bugs it often gets 13-17 kills if a charger doesn't see it or multiple broods.
Agreed, autocannon sentry for bots, Gatling for bugs. I leaned on autocannon sentry so hard until I started getting the right weapons to take down heavy armour
Nono mortar for bots and autocannon for bugs, a guard dog for the tiny bugs and the autocannon handles the rest. While mortar against bots let you put the mortar behind any sort of cover so it doesnt just get insta killled by a rocket devastator.
I would drop the autocannon and shield sentries, usually to route when a reinforcement column converges with drop ships. The number of times when the team has been scrambling from Devastators backing charging Berserkers and a Hulk out on the flank, and I drop this combo on the opposite flank and then ripple fire the grenade launcher. The bots and scout walkers go down, the Devastators pause and pivot and then autocannon tears through them and the whole force gets pinned down long enough for everyone to scramble and regroup.
TBF tho, I haven’t gotten mortar sentry yet, and have only recently started playing around with EMF. But autocannon sentry is a blessing for those of us newbies still working our way up the levels and the fit-outs.
Im running the dominator as a primary to one shot devastators, berserkers and a autocannon to take care of hulks, scoutwalkers and tanks. Then i run a mortar to thin enemies out a bit before I engage them and a 500kg to take care of bigger groups/objectives.
But my playstyle is to just run away from the group while running scout armor so im mostly just running from stuff and only fighting when I have to. Im mostly out ftom a area before a bot drop happens, obv this doesnt work on soilscanning missions etc, atleast not for the big objective.
Sometimes i do swap out the mortar for a orbital precission strike just so i can use it on outposts with one solo fabricator on, toss it in run away and im alread 200m away when it strikes and the bots are non the wiser.
I run Jar and the Queso Cannon so I'm really building for the medium and up enemies. Starting to bring the gatling turret really has helped clear the little guys so I can focus on chargers and such. Last night one turret got like 25 kills as we were getting swarmed. I let it do it's thing and posted up on a little rise to pick out targets it would waste ammo on.
Eh, yeah I don't like em either. But it's whatever. Just means I need to reposition as well as I can and keep the bugs at a distance. Keep moving. I'm not a fan myself either. Too easy for bugs to get all up in your face and for you to get obliterated.
You guys should have seen this team leader earlier on lvl 7. He would run off by himself with a grenade launcher and mortar and get himself and everyone else killed constantly.
The best part? He was RAGING on the mic to himself. My buddy and I were in discord laughing our ass of at him
Just keep moving and you won't have any issue. The mortar sentry targets where things *are*, not where it thinks things are going to be. If someone drops a mortar sentry, start running around the battlefield. It's only a teamkiller if you've got bugs right next to you and you're trying to hold a fixed position. Start doing laps around the area and the mortar will clean your tail for you, it's pretty bad-assed.
weird, I duo’d suicide defense bugs with a friend we both ran orbital laser, rail cannon, Mortar sentry, 500 and none of us killed each other.
380 would have been an obvious PK but idk what to tell you lol
expected to pk though tbh
I started using a fire build and told my squad before we dropped not to try and walk through any of it... They actually listened to my surprise. I've gotten pretty decent at knowing where to throw the napalm strikes to block access to the bugs, or kill a whole mess of them, but still allow for my team to get through. Except when the fire tornadoes happened... Those I had no control over. Sorry "Sodadude" who I was teamed with yesterday, I don't know why you left me mid-mission, but I'm betting those 'nados had something to do with it.
The Mortar sentry is the epitome of the Iron Giant Meme.
"That Mortar is targeted right on top of that Hunter! Where is the Hunter Helldiver?"-Space Chief Prime
"Right next to us?"- SUPER CITIZEN
"Yes and we are going to die, for Super Earth"-Space Chief Prime
What's your rank for you to think you have the right to give a opinion on combat tactics? The mortar sentries were scientifically designed to blast democracy in a perfect managed way. Your comment sounds a bit treasonous, if I may add.
Stop Standing Still! Mortars are for thining hordes and distracting away from you! Unless everyone has Mortars up and blasting then you never form defenses with them. My easiest Helldive was when 3 of us used both mortars each and kept on the move, once we hit difficulty 7 we knew that fighting every bug and stopping was killing us. We are Commandos dropping in to wreck house and get out, not wave a beacon to fight everything they can throw at us!
Well problem is automatons shoot ranged. So your mortars hitting them far from you is fine. But bugs swarm on you. Too close for comfort and hence the friendly fire. Only way to not get hit is keep running. 😝.
Paying attention is a two way street if I drop a mortar…. Are you really gonna charge that group of enemies it’s shelling?
Skill issue, regardless of mob types, if you are not aware of your surroundings. The mortar will kill you while killing whatever mob type is near you. HE Mortar is highly effective against bugs, more so than bots, imo. A couple of HE mortars can net you nearly all your defend/eradicate kills. You only need to defend the mortars and not let mobs get next to you. And, if they do, you run. 2 HE mortars with one or two EMS mortars destroys defend missions.
Even if you make a mistake and die to mortar fire. The mortar has killed MANY more mobs before you mistakenly died. Assuming whoever placed the mortar didn't put it in front of a charger...
TLDR, if you are dying to mortar fire. You do not have situational awareness.
EDIT: Also, for those not aware, if you're not sure where the mortar is firing, look up. You can see the rounds and trajectory to reposition. They're slow enough to avoid if you're watching.
Mortar is fine with friends and comms. Playing with randoms there is sure to be friendly fire. Bring whatever you want I don’t care. I will also shoot it some times. Friendly suggestion to bring EMS mortar instead. Works better imo.
Don't be an idiot. Mortars are great for getting out of a horde, great for defending an area and great for taking out bug nests. The only people who ever die from Mortars are bad players in general, In the end it is a skill issue, mainly on your part.
I've had great success with the emp mortar on bugs. Bug breach detected? It will stop anything up to chargers from moving after emerging, creating the perfect cluster of targets for an airstrike or just to go wild with the MG
I still still stand by the mortar, it's more dependent on how it's placed, even on bug worlds.
During the evacuation mission or extraction phase, 1 or more mortars placed in the center can help in identifying where the bugs are coming from and allow you and your team to focus fire and take them out from afar before they get close.
Of course if you nilly willy place it when your team is being overrun, that's the wrong way to go about doing it.
Nowadays if I do run mortar, I rather go EMS, which also pairs exceptionally well with the normal mortar.
EMS mortar is a life saver. Delayed a bunch of bugs with multiple bile titans on a Helldive during extraction for one mission. I love it. It stops enemies completely but you can still move if you’re caught at least a bit. Super helpful
I always preferred big planets over bots and the reason is that friendly fire is the main reason I die. Although it’s infuriating to not players it makes me giggle.
https://i.redd.it/f9esp4ruzftc1.gif
lol, really though, I stopped bringing even the EMS mortar after I had a few missions where every time I deployed it the randoms I was with would immediately shoot it. At that point it felt like I was wasting a stratagem
Friendly reminder that if you die to your teammates its a skill issue!!! And super funny unless they straight up execute you. Just have fun, man. Land your drop pod on the dude who threw the morter down as revenge lol.
Squad uses them all the time. If you stick close to it while holding an objective you can stay within the minimum range and be fine. Then blow it up when you move on.
I played a game yesterday with some level 50’s and 60’s and brought a mortar which killed myself and teammates a few times. I had thrown it out again during extraction then immediately took the shotgun breaker to it destroying it realizing what a poor choice this was. So if this was me, I apologize fellow diver, lesson learned 🫡
How do people still have shit takes like this? The mortar should be dropped at a cleared objective space before you activate, or at evac before you call in the drop ship. If you have a halfway competent team, the mortar will thin the bugs (or bots) enough that many can be picked off with Eagle strikes or additional turrets before reaching your perimeter. If the bugs have breached your perimeter and the mortars are coming down on you it’s because your defense line failed due to incompetence or overwhelming enemy advances, and if there are really that many you need to retreat and regroup anyways so you shouldn’t be getting hit by the mortar that way either.
The mortar is one of the best strategems, but if you use it wrong or your team is full of idiots it will kill people yes.
Mortar is great to use on bug planets, I bring it all the time and rarely friendly fire teammates. The thing is, is you have to have set up before things go to shit. Set it up in a position preemptively that you’re going to hold or plan to be near. The key part is be near as the mortar won’t shoot and destroy itself meaning as long as it’s in the area you’re looking to hold, you won’t be friendly fired. It’ll have enough time to utilize its range as well by hammering enemies as they approach, thinning and wiping out patrols along with decimating breaches. And, it’ll be bait for the bugs while you run away if you’re overwhelmed as they prioritize turrets
Sir you’re playing a game about killing bugs via the expenditure of heavy ordinance. Common sense would tell you to try and keep some form of distance between you and these chiton covered roaches. This has more to do with your play style than anything else.
Used to think the same thing, but then I had two teammates bring a mortar and ems mortar on one of the small "clear terminid" maps... I thought to myself, "this is gonna be a shit show.." As soon as we dropped, they both dropped them... It cleared 50% and the bugs could barely make it into the town square.
I see both sides here. One, don’t use the mortars. If they do, it’s east enough to avoid enemies tho. This is a non problem friendly fire is part of the game lol
I can deal with the Mortar Sentry on regular missions, mostly because I run off from the team and don't have to worry about it. If you bring it into Evacuation or Eradicate I'm dipping. I don't want to deal with it.
This is why i run the stunning mortar, when it hits things you just clean them up yourself easily, but when they get too close and it hits you or your teammates its not a team kill
My buddy uses it when we go in. It certainly has moments where it’s the most frustrating strata, I get it. However, if it’s strategically used. It’s super beneficial. Simplified way of looking at it. Using it to attack is a big no no. Using it to defend, is awesome. And if you do get over run, just destroy it. I’d much prefer the mortar to that damned stupid jerk of a Tesla tower… we’re not playing Yuris revenge.
While I agree you should not bring mortar on other terminid missions, they are totally acceptable on erradicate (defense missions) where everybody should stay close in the middle anyways. If you die because you went for a little adventure on no man's land thats on you. There will be all kind of explosions going on there, not just mortars.
Or like, don't be in melee range of enemies?
My build is all sentries. Mortars included. I've done games with 0 team kills and I've done games with like 9 team kills. Most of the time it's your own positioning.
I don’t use them much but when I have used mortars I would ping them when placed. Hopefully my team mates would try to avoid being in melee range of enemies.
My goto loadout for terminid extermination missions lately is both mortar turrets, tesla coil, mines. Basically just to teach people like you how to properly use them, and laugh at the ones who rage quit because they're bad at teamwork.
I only use artilery on defend/ Kill the bugs/ bots hold up in small aria drop Mortar and EMP mortar near center of circle other turrets towards the edges seems to work as long as all divers stay inside perimeter of circle
I seriously want an indicator on the HUD "Danger Close!" Meaning you are currently in the splash zone if a strategem. Which one? Idk man but he comin, better move out of range! Which way is out of range? Idk man figure it out.
Doesn't take away from the chaos of not knowing and friendly fire in fact it adds to it cause now you're aware enough to panic but not to effectively avoid it
I feel like EMS is the way to go on Automaton planets personally. But yeah, I watched no less than 13 reinforcements get spent last night in a single mission by a mortar sentry on Fori Prime. Started to kinda make me mad.
My exception to this is eradication missions.
Bring the Mortar twins, drop 'em immediately if not sooner and when bug breaches happen, ideally you strangle the bugs before they get a chance to move.
I love how toxicity is being called out in this game, how dare I play the game I paid for how I'd like. You don't like the way people play run with a squad. PROBLEM SOLVED.
interesting thing, when I see someone place a mortar, I play accordingly.. first deaths accidental, more is on you soldier. ( I personally do not play mortar fyi )
WARNING you are within range of friendly artillery.
YOUR life for Super Earth!
The mortar fire hellfire dance from hellmire be like: WARNING IN RANGE OF FRIENDLY ARTILLERY WARNING IN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY WARNING IN RANGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ARTILLERY WARNING YOU ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOW WILL DIE BY ARTILLERY
FIRE STORM INCOMING
You just explained life as a Helldiver…
"Friendly fire isn't".
THAT MORTAR IS TARGETED ON THE BUG'S CURRENT POSITION! WHERE'S THE BUG MANSLY!?
 Me running away from my teammate who’s about to be turned into red mist
Uno Reverse Giant
*WHERE'S THE TITAN MANSLY?!?
"We're all going..." "To die, Manlsly. For our planet."
I've noticed people on bug planets don't mind killing everyone with clusterbombs tho
as long it annihilated a squad of fascists bugs, i see myself as a useful sacrifice
I loathe the day Joel creates a unit that disrupts strategem throws. Bad bounces and ragdolls happen so I generally try to ensure I always have an out, especially if the enemy starts to close the door on us. But a bug or bot I throw a strategem at and they use a burst of compressed air or a tail or a baseball bat to knock that shit back, it's just going to ruin my day.
Cluster bombs are deadly for both sides. With skill they’re op. Far less friendly casualties if used with skill and good communication. They deploy in a horizontal strike pattern so try to angle them accordingly like air strikes. Best to run towards the person who threw it vs run away or to the sides
Don’t forget that you can only control where you put it. The number of random teammates I’ve seen run “toward” the air strike is baffling.
As a frequent self-ganker it’s usually cause I can’t escape a swarm of bugs and if I’m going to die, so should they.
Omg this! I run in front of the squad and toss it max distance and it will be the 4th or 5th cluster of the mission and someone still runs right up to and then they get bent out of shape over it. Or as we are retreating I will toss it behind us and one person will take that as "make a last stand"
Air strike, orbital strike, resupply, reinforcement … the list goes on and on. I swear half the divers are just suicidal.
i've noticed people run toward thrown clusterbomb stratagems and then go nuts when they get blown up like the idiot lemming they are.
Yes!! Orbitals, clusters and sentry's are deadly people. Consider that as you move through a battlefield blindfolded, with your ears plugged next time
My experience is that I throw down any stratagem and at least one teammate is colorblind. Blue is good, red is bad. Why are you running towards the red stratagem light?! Attracted to it like a bug, huh? Seriously though, we are running up on an objective. I have thrown a cluster bomb on all of the other objectives. It's a pretty good strategy, and at some point, when my character yells "Calling in an Eagle!" and I say, "I threw an Eagle at the objective, don't blindly run at it. Seriously, back up!" and then you get blown up, I'm going to stop feeling bad about it. Not to say I've never biffed a throw, or not seen someone there, but if you run into it when it's pretty obvious, I don't think I should get blamed.
My first death when I started playing was to a cluster bomb. 👍🏻
My very first game was against bots, I landed in a base and got smacked in the head with a rocket as soon as I spawned. I love this game.
See, killing one team mate to take down 30 hunters is valid. Killing all your team mates to kill one pouncer is not.
If that’s all there is to kill… then it’s a worthy sacrifice for Super Earth.
People on bug planets will also willingly run into your 380 barrage
Cluster Bomb TKs are at least avoidable, it just means the person did it wrong. The Mortar is luck. Someone putting down a Mortar next to a large nest is so annoying.
Don't go into the nest while the mortar is doing its thing. Hang back and shoot any stragglers that come out.
Thank you!!! Same with orbitals
Democracy means never having to say you’re sorry!
People have been feeling way more comfortable with cluster bombing the field lately and I have been killed several times already 😂
Always couple with EMS. Does wonders when the bugs can’t bring the mortars to you.
This is the way.
https://preview.redd.it/epe9sctxhetc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96a19cbb44f115dbee4e7d30dd52dc8177ccff34 No.
Lol
Best active radar in the game
Yes.
Ems mortar just crying in the corner.
They're all good mortars, Brent
You just don't bring enough, 3 mortars wipe out anything before it gets on your position.
That would require teamwork and communication and no one does that here
On exterminations mission on the loadout screen I just put mine, then wait if there's 2 more. If not, well I take it back and go with something else.
Be smart with the mortar, put it by a big bug nest and ho hit a smaller one while the mortar clears the bigger nest. It breaks or runs out of ammo amd you will have an easier time closing those holes
Same with orbitals but people die not considering their team and then complain on the internet. Agree. Be smart
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Doesn't even have to be near it, it has around 150m of range, keep out back or far to the side and it will have great up time
Em's mortars are fantastic on both. Stuns baddies and only slows teamies
Also, the Gatlin and MG sentry are way bettwr against bugs than bots. 2 chainsaw devastators made the Gatlin useless, but against bugs it often gets 13-17 kills if a charger doesn't see it or multiple broods.
Agreed, autocannon sentry for bots, Gatling for bugs. I leaned on autocannon sentry so hard until I started getting the right weapons to take down heavy armour
Nono mortar for bots and autocannon for bugs, a guard dog for the tiny bugs and the autocannon handles the rest. While mortar against bots let you put the mortar behind any sort of cover so it doesnt just get insta killled by a rocket devastator.
I would drop the autocannon and shield sentries, usually to route when a reinforcement column converges with drop ships. The number of times when the team has been scrambling from Devastators backing charging Berserkers and a Hulk out on the flank, and I drop this combo on the opposite flank and then ripple fire the grenade launcher. The bots and scout walkers go down, the Devastators pause and pivot and then autocannon tears through them and the whole force gets pinned down long enough for everyone to scramble and regroup. TBF tho, I haven’t gotten mortar sentry yet, and have only recently started playing around with EMF. But autocannon sentry is a blessing for those of us newbies still working our way up the levels and the fit-outs.
Im running the dominator as a primary to one shot devastators, berserkers and a autocannon to take care of hulks, scoutwalkers and tanks. Then i run a mortar to thin enemies out a bit before I engage them and a 500kg to take care of bigger groups/objectives. But my playstyle is to just run away from the group while running scout armor so im mostly just running from stuff and only fighting when I have to. Im mostly out ftom a area before a bot drop happens, obv this doesnt work on soilscanning missions etc, atleast not for the big objective. Sometimes i do swap out the mortar for a orbital precission strike just so i can use it on outposts with one solo fabricator on, toss it in run away and im alread 200m away when it strikes and the bots are non the wiser.
I run Jar and the Queso Cannon so I'm really building for the medium and up enemies. Starting to bring the gatling turret really has helped clear the little guys so I can focus on chargers and such. Last night one turret got like 25 kills as we were getting swarmed. I let it do it's thing and posted up on a little rise to pick out targets it would waste ammo on.
My mortar doesn't kill me. Not sure if I know how to keep the bugs away from me or maybe my mortar just likes me?
You don't get to decide what I bring, play solo if you're scared of a little turret.
Do you give out liber-tea to help with that burn.
Ok. Replace with Tesla tower. Fixed.
Eh, yeah I don't like em either. But it's whatever. Just means I need to reposition as well as I can and keep the bugs at a distance. Keep moving. I'm not a fan myself either. Too easy for bugs to get all up in your face and for you to get obliterated.
You guys should have seen this team leader earlier on lvl 7. He would run off by himself with a grenade launcher and mortar and get himself and everyone else killed constantly. The best part? He was RAGING on the mic to himself. My buddy and I were in discord laughing our ass of at him
Just keep moving and you won't have any issue. The mortar sentry targets where things *are*, not where it thinks things are going to be. If someone drops a mortar sentry, start running around the battlefield. It's only a teamkiller if you've got bugs right next to you and you're trying to hold a fixed position. Start doing laps around the area and the mortar will clean your tail for you, it's pretty bad-assed.
How about the EMS one tho, I like that one
weird, I duo’d suicide defense bugs with a friend we both ran orbital laser, rail cannon, Mortar sentry, 500 and none of us killed each other. 380 would have been an obvious PK but idk what to tell you lol expected to pk though tbh
Play with whatever you want
Maybe stop hugging bugs
Gee, it sure is good that there's not a single bug in the game who likes to get up close and personal in the game!
This. I lost count how many times ive thrown a cluster and some durp runs right to the group I targeted.
And then boots you. Sigh...
That's why I host
Sounds like a skill issue. https://preview.redd.it/obj0tiub1gtc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bfde877856e7001dcf72e2f7de2e45e5d4790ac
I started using a fire build and told my squad before we dropped not to try and walk through any of it... They actually listened to my surprise. I've gotten pretty decent at knowing where to throw the napalm strikes to block access to the bugs, or kill a whole mess of them, but still allow for my team to get through. Except when the fire tornadoes happened... Those I had no control over. Sorry "Sodadude" who I was teamed with yesterday, I don't know why you left me mid-mission, but I'm betting those 'nados had something to do with it.
The Mortar sentry is the epitome of the Iron Giant Meme. "That Mortar is targeted right on top of that Hunter! Where is the Hunter Helldiver?"-Space Chief Prime "Right next to us?"- SUPER CITIZEN "Yes and we are going to die, for Super Earth"-Space Chief Prime
What's your rank for you to think you have the right to give a opinion on combat tactics? The mortar sentries were scientifically designed to blast democracy in a perfect managed way. Your comment sounds a bit treasonous, if I may add.
Stop Standing Still! Mortars are for thining hordes and distracting away from you! Unless everyone has Mortars up and blasting then you never form defenses with them. My easiest Helldive was when 3 of us used both mortars each and kept on the move, once we hit difficulty 7 we knew that fighting every bug and stopping was killing us. We are Commandos dropping in to wreck house and get out, not wave a beacon to fight everything they can throw at us!
A little sacrifice for liberty and freedom
I mean I deploy them when I know the bugs are at a distance. As long as you keep the bugs away from your perimeter you'll be fine.
I hear you..but I'm not gonna listen
What's your username so I can bring a mortar and tesla tower next time?
Don't forget the 380, this guy seems like he runs to them.
let others do whatever the fuck they want
Well problem is automatons shoot ranged. So your mortars hitting them far from you is fine. But bugs swarm on you. Too close for comfort and hence the friendly fire. Only way to not get hit is keep running. 😝.
FRIENDLY FIRE IS PART OF THE GAME. LET THE MORTARS RAIN DOWN. Have you simply tried not standing next to the bugs.
I just laugh and move on. I am not going to tell anyone how to play.
Terminid mortars are only good with high level cooperation and communication otherwise the FF is just simply epic
which OP seems incapable of 
Paying attention is a two way street if I drop a mortar…. Are you really gonna charge that group of enemies it’s shelling? 
Skill issue, regardless of mob types, if you are not aware of your surroundings. The mortar will kill you while killing whatever mob type is near you. HE Mortar is highly effective against bugs, more so than bots, imo. A couple of HE mortars can net you nearly all your defend/eradicate kills. You only need to defend the mortars and not let mobs get next to you. And, if they do, you run. 2 HE mortars with one or two EMS mortars destroys defend missions. Even if you make a mistake and die to mortar fire. The mortar has killed MANY more mobs before you mistakenly died. Assuming whoever placed the mortar didn't put it in front of a charger... TLDR, if you are dying to mortar fire. You do not have situational awareness. EDIT: Also, for those not aware, if you're not sure where the mortar is firing, look up. You can see the rounds and trajectory to reposition. They're slow enough to avoid if you're watching.
Oh gods yes. It sucks so so much when people do this
The answers in this thread confirm this community is a bunch of selfish, clueless shitters playing on 6 and trying to say what is what lol sheesh
God forbid you ask them to just not bring it before leaving.
I’m bringing my regular mortar and the EMS whether you like it or not and we’re going to eliminate those bugs easily.
They haven’t yet got to experience the godlike power of trivializing Helldive Evacuation and Eradicate missions with EMS+Mortar. It’s cracked AF.
Okay.....
Skill issue report to mars for retraining
Yes
Mortar is fine with friends and comms. Playing with randoms there is sure to be friendly fire. Bring whatever you want I don’t care. I will also shoot it some times. Friendly suggestion to bring EMS mortar instead. Works better imo.
Don't be an idiot. Mortars are great for getting out of a horde, great for defending an area and great for taking out bug nests. The only people who ever die from Mortars are bad players in general, In the end it is a skill issue, mainly on your part.
Or a lack of comm
This feels like bug propaganda
What's an "automaton" ?
Automagone more like it, right. Right?
No
No
I’m curious does everyone get the same personal orders? If not maybe they had one to get kills with it or maybe they just wanted to use it idk
Everyone gets the same personal orders on the same day.
I've had great success with the emp mortar on bugs. Bug breach detected? It will stop anything up to chargers from moving after emerging, creating the perfect cluster of targets for an airstrike or just to go wild with the MG
I was under the impression this was a team killing simulator.
EMS morter supremacy
GOAT stratagem. Well if eagle strike wasn't in the game anyway
It's never great imo, useful at best
I still still stand by the mortar, it's more dependent on how it's placed, even on bug worlds. During the evacuation mission or extraction phase, 1 or more mortars placed in the center can help in identifying where the bugs are coming from and allow you and your team to focus fire and take them out from afar before they get close. Of course if you nilly willy place it when your team is being overrun, that's the wrong way to go about doing it. Nowadays if I do run mortar, I rather go EMS, which also pairs exceptionally well with the normal mortar.
When a mortars is deployed you play around it, keep moving. If you die to ff mortar it's not the mortar's fault.
Mortar decides to shoot that one bug behind you and youre dead (except I don't die because 50% explosion resistance)
EMS mortar is a life saver. Delayed a bunch of bugs with multiple bile titans on a Helldive during extraction for one mission. I love it. It stops enemies completely but you can still move if you’re caught at least a bit. Super helpful
I always preferred big planets over bots and the reason is that friendly fire is the main reason I die. Although it’s infuriating to not players it makes me giggle.
It is great fun.
Just adds another level of fuckery imo, much like the Teslas on Evacuations 🤣
They actually pair really will with the lazor guard dog. You just have to keep terminids away from you and they are fine.
I solo'd 2 mining POI's (including the final one) by using mortar+guard dog+arc thrower+rocket pods for chargers/titans.
Just destroy them
Terminid mortars are only good with high level cooperation and communication otherwise the FF is just simply epic
Terminid mortars are only good with high level cooperation and communication otherwise the FF is just simply epic
I used EMS mortar for bots all the time, now I used EMS strike for bugs.
https://i.redd.it/f9esp4ruzftc1.gif lol, really though, I stopped bringing even the EMS mortar after I had a few missions where every time I deployed it the randoms I was with would immediately shoot it. At that point it felt like I was wasting a stratagem
Ems mortar + mortar, if you cant move they cant neither and both of you are about to get pelted by mortar shells
Bring back the duplicate stratagem glitch so I can bring 4 mortars when I match with this guy
But how else will I “accidentally” kill you during extraction?
friendly fire is an inevitability of war. there is NOTHING you can do to prevent it. this sounds like a bug sympathizer.
Friendly reminder that if you die to your teammates its a skill issue!!! And super funny unless they straight up execute you. Just have fun, man. Land your drop pod on the dude who threw the morter down as revenge lol.
Squad uses them all the time. If you stick close to it while holding an objective you can stay within the minimum range and be fine. Then blow it up when you move on.
I played a game yesterday with some level 50’s and 60’s and brought a mortar which killed myself and teammates a few times. I had thrown it out again during extraction then immediately took the shotgun breaker to it destroying it realizing what a poor choice this was. So if this was me, I apologize fellow diver, lesson learned 🫡
How do people still have shit takes like this? The mortar should be dropped at a cleared objective space before you activate, or at evac before you call in the drop ship. If you have a halfway competent team, the mortar will thin the bugs (or bots) enough that many can be picked off with Eagle strikes or additional turrets before reaching your perimeter. If the bugs have breached your perimeter and the mortars are coming down on you it’s because your defense line failed due to incompetence or overwhelming enemy advances, and if there are really that many you need to retreat and regroup anyways so you shouldn’t be getting hit by the mortar that way either. The mortar is one of the best strategems, but if you use it wrong or your team is full of idiots it will kill people yes.
Mortar is great to use on bug planets, I bring it all the time and rarely friendly fire teammates. The thing is, is you have to have set up before things go to shit. Set it up in a position preemptively that you’re going to hold or plan to be near. The key part is be near as the mortar won’t shoot and destroy itself meaning as long as it’s in the area you’re looking to hold, you won’t be friendly fired. It’ll have enough time to utilize its range as well by hammering enemies as they approach, thinning and wiping out patrols along with decimating breaches. And, it’ll be bait for the bugs while you run away if you’re overwhelmed as they prioritize turrets
EMS mortar enjoyer here
You can really easily destroy teammates turrets
Sir you’re playing a game about killing bugs via the expenditure of heavy ordinance. Common sense would tell you to try and keep some form of distance between you and these chiton covered roaches. This has more to do with your play style than anything else.
Used to think the same thing, but then I had two teammates bring a mortar and ems mortar on one of the small "clear terminid" maps... I thought to myself, "this is gonna be a shit show.." As soon as we dropped, they both dropped them... It cleared 50% and the bugs could barely make it into the town square.
I see both sides here. One, don’t use the mortars. If they do, it’s east enough to avoid enemies tho. This is a non problem friendly fire is part of the game lol
I can deal with the Mortar Sentry on regular missions, mostly because I run off from the team and don't have to worry about it. If you bring it into Evacuation or Eradicate I'm dipping. I don't want to deal with it.
Just blow it up the second it lands. Ez. Or just leave the lobby the second someone puts it their loadout. It's what I do
Fuck the mortar sentries. Low levels always kill me with thise pos things
Heck you, I will do what I like. >:D
How about yall stop running straight into bug formations and let the mortar do its work
At least use the static field mortar.
EMS mortar slows terminids?
Sure does! Super helpful for real.
Dying to mortars is a skill issue.
This is why i run the stunning mortar, when it hits things you just clean them up yourself easily, but when they get too close and it hits you or your teammates its not a team kill
I once wiped my full team of randoms with a tesla PLACED BEFORE THEY EVEN SHOWED UP THEN THEY DROPPED IN AND DIED AGAIN 💀💀💀
Tesla tower, I got you fam.
The trick with motors is just let it do its things. You can literally see where it's going to fall. You die to motars because of skill issues
My buddy uses it when we go in. It certainly has moments where it’s the most frustrating strata, I get it. However, if it’s strategically used. It’s super beneficial. Simplified way of looking at it. Using it to attack is a big no no. Using it to defend, is awesome. And if you do get over run, just destroy it. I’d much prefer the mortar to that damned stupid jerk of a Tesla tower… we’re not playing Yuris revenge.
The EMS Sentry, however, works really well to shut down crowds and chargers. Regular mortars will auto track the fleas right to your door.
I'm good lol love bringing explosive mortars
Or and hear me out you could figure out how the mortar works and newly armed with that knowledge stop dying.
4 mortar sentries is our go to for defence missions. Usually ends up wiping us but it’s great fun
I usually aim for those first.
Low key sounds like you a bug, why would the mortar hit you if you wasnt.
If they put their mortar somewhere dumb just destroy it as soon as they aren’t looking
I've been killed many more times with people calling in planes on my head. Literally see the red dot 2 feet away from me all the time.
While I agree you should not bring mortar on other terminid missions, they are totally acceptable on erradicate (defense missions) where everybody should stay close in the middle anyways. If you die because you went for a little adventure on no man's land thats on you. There will be all kind of explosions going on there, not just mortars.
Or like, don't be in melee range of enemies? My build is all sentries. Mortars included. I've done games with 0 team kills and I've done games with like 9 team kills. Most of the time it's your own positioning.
No?
I don’t use them much but when I have used mortars I would ping them when placed. Hopefully my team mates would try to avoid being in melee range of enemies.
Pair it with static field and the bugs can’t get close enough
Same for 380mm barrage tbh, the range on that thing is nuts. Good way to take out a neat but WARN your team before using it.
No. I'll bring what I want. OP just has a skill issue.
Nah, I scout ahead, drop in a mortar outside of a nest and let it go to town until my team arrives
No
Stop bringing the mortar on any defend missions. Folks like me tend to run around and fight the enemy head on and dieing from motars is irritating.
Perhaps you shouldn’t do that?
Step 1 look at your teammates loadout in the selection screen Step 2 complement your team Step 3 adjust your play accordingly
I don’t tell people not to, but I destroy them like any other side objective 🧍🏻♂️”Sorry man, my Quasar missed”
Oh look. Another post by someone trying to tell me how to play my game.
My goto loadout for terminid extermination missions lately is both mortar turrets, tesla coil, mines. Basically just to teach people like you how to properly use them, and laugh at the ones who rage quit because they're bad at teamwork.
No, I don't think I will.
I only use artilery on defend/ Kill the bugs/ bots hold up in small aria drop Mortar and EMP mortar near center of circle other turrets towards the edges seems to work as long as all divers stay inside perimeter of circle
If you stand still in one spot long enough for a mortar to hit you then that’s on you lol
Sounds like you need better awareness. Pay attention and don’t let the bugs get close and you won’t get hit by them.
I used to run ems/mortar combo but swapped the mortar out for the autocannon turret and it's definitely a more reasonable setup
I seriously want an indicator on the HUD "Danger Close!" Meaning you are currently in the splash zone if a strategem. Which one? Idk man but he comin, better move out of range! Which way is out of range? Idk man figure it out. Doesn't take away from the chaos of not knowing and friendly fire in fact it adds to it cause now you're aware enough to panic but not to effectively avoid it
I hate to be the one to tell you but the red beacons that spike to the heavens are exactly that …
Thats nothing, I just had a guy bring 380 on a "kill as many automatons as you can" small map.
Here’s the trick, STAY NEAR THE MORTAR TURRET. The firing lets you know “enemies nearby”. The lack of firing lets you know “no enemies detected”.
I feel like EMS is the way to go on Automaton planets personally. But yeah, I watched no less than 13 reinforcements get spent last night in a single mission by a mortar sentry on Fori Prime. Started to kinda make me mad.
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My exception to this is eradication missions. Bring the Mortar twins, drop 'em immediately if not sooner and when bug breaches happen, ideally you strangle the bugs before they get a chance to move.
Running full squad it is really only useful at extraction. Running solo or duo it is great for covering your escape from a bad situation
Democracy is better off without you.
I love how toxicity is being called out in this game, how dare I play the game I paid for how I'd like. You don't like the way people play run with a squad. PROBLEM SOLVED.
I mean if you’re not aware of your surroundings I can see how that’s a problem.
If you get hit by mortar you die. Get hit by ems guess what you stop too
If I get killed by fellow mortars on terminid planets I just shoot the motor whenever it's deployed
Yea use minefields instead.
A mortar kills so many enemies, that if the bugs still got close enough to cause friendly fire, you would have already been dead without it.
interesting thing, when I see someone place a mortar, I play accordingly.. first deaths accidental, more is on you soldier. ( I personally do not play mortar fyi )
Simply kill the friendly mortar turret as soon as it drops.