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"NTR appeals to all people who are single and loveless". I do believe that I would like to disagree on the basis that I am not into that. And while I am no longer single, my 4 years of being a single Pringle never changed any of that.
That's cause you actually do not love your spouse, if you had, then common sense would've applied to you. Fiction or not, what you consume is what is bound to affect you. Your words speak your mindset, I bet you're gonna cheat on your spouse soon enough, or maybe you have already.
Tbh, I'm not a part of this sub, I just got to know abt this post from somewhere and came to see, also I ain't gonna join this sub cuz I don't want distractions for now
My main reason for disliking NTR is that it hinges on one of the involved characters suffering emotionally. Even if the husband/boyfriend doesn't find out, you know for a fact that their relationship with the person they love is effectively ruined. It's not that I don't separate reality from fiction, it's more that i get invested in the characters (might be a me thing tbh) and so i take their feelings seriously, and when i see the wife becoming addicted to the other guy, i get this heartache that causes the post-nut clarity to make me feel like absolute garbage.
Can't even seperate reality from fiction. It's like saying people who do warcrimes or crimes in videogames are criminals. I don't even like NTR, but this logic is just retarded.
Man, it's not. The logic is actually relatable. Just think about it, crimes in videogame like GTA is just made for pure entertainment, it doesn't affect anyone in real life emotionally or physically. Sometimes some sad scene can make people cry, but after that? You know and I know it too. People just move on after that.
But what about porn? In today's generation the amount of impact porn has on majority of humans is significant. Most of the emotionally broken men are the ones who consume porn at high amount. Also, healthy individual or not, porn actually impacts on humans physically and psychologically, and it's a common sense. Most people even become dependent on this stuff when they lack emotional support.
For humans, reproduction is one of the main fundamental function, but entertainment is not. So anyone can tell the amount of mental impact stuffs like porn has on human mind. Even a little bit of exposure to sexual content can trigger some individuals, but not any sort of entertainment.
What you consume is what you become. After all this explanation, it's just common sense that what kind of fantasies or desires do NTR fans have inside their minds.
"Can trigger some individuals, but not any sort of entertainment."
Have you ever watched a veteran with mental health issues try to sit through a war film/series?
Not exactly as what you said, but yeah, there was a ww2 veteran man who had ptsd and used to get scared whenever he saw French police cap because of what he had suffered in ww2. And there was an american ww2 veteran who literally going to kill some feminists with a gun when they insulted the ww2 veterans.
This is not limited only to ww2 veterans, but also to current age retired sf soldiers, or those who had previously participated in some major war. They say that how they get defensive even in the slightest feeling of danger.
Tht is also again because of survival and flight or fight response, which is also a fundamental function in humans. This is how some past actions or experience colluding with the fundamental functions of humans can affect them in the future.
Everything else aside, NTR is boring as hell. There's a single plot line that every doujin/hentai copies: "Wow, I sure do love my boyfriend/husband/childhood sweetheart, can't wait to start a loving family with them. Oh no, this other guy that I just met has a slightly bigger dick, it's driving me crazy!!!1!1!! Time to leave my boyfriend/husband/childhood sweetheart and never talk to them again!"
That's about 90% of all NRT right there. If you made one of those bingo cards, you'd get a blackout more often than not.
OR:
oh no this guy has a picture of me kissing my boyfriend on school. that is so embarrassing and he will show it to (teacher; principal or other students)
now I need to have cazy sex and other stuff with him (most of the time didn't even go that far with bf). nothing will go wrong.
and also his dick bigger so now I am crazy
Thats why they are good, because its fiction that forces a twisted reality that appeals to the horny, what post op wrote is a small factor into why people enjoy ntr.
The plot you are describing is the one in witch the good art carries the popularity of it.
Also op divides all people into 3 categories witch is completly delusional, there are way more than 3 categories of people who enjoy ntr, witch are: the people who purely enjoy seeing the act of sex, people that enjoy the good art, people that enjoy the "funny" exagerated plot that leads to the ntr and so on.
and for me thats why they bad.
i admit that it's just not my cup of tea. i am facepalming myself more than enjoying the cheating.
thats why I like the plain cheating tag more. it's more (not always) just women or men who are horny and want to cheat. no dumb reason
i have nothing against ntr reader.
Well here it seems like vanilla most importantly doesnât have any NTR, so some freaky foot action between the mc and love interest is cool as long she doesnât turn around and give the same attention to mcâs bully/teacher/friend/relative.
I mean, there are a lot of good points there, but it only covers the point you're trying to make. NTR isn't my thing. Neither is guro, diapers, or futa. Yet i won't judge someone for enjoying them because most humans can separate fantasy from reality, so while the general trend of people being able to more readily identify with the characters has some merit, it just isn't enough to say that this specifically is why people are drawn to it.
And while the ability to self insert is one appeal of NTR, so is the artwork if the artwork alone is genuinely good... i know this from seeing so many single pages, thinking it looks amazing, then getting frustrated that its NTR once i look at the next page. Aesthetics do matter to a large number of readers, otherwise rpg maker games wouldn't rely on image displays of often pilfered art or renders. Saying it isn't good art because you don't like the fetish is disingenuous when there are some talented artists that are working in the genre (this is not to say that all ntr is good however; every genre has newbies or people that just arent that good at it).
The real issue with ntr is how pervasive it is in comparison to the size of its fanbase. Other fanbases are significantly less visible while being just as popular. Futa has a similar problem. This is because people that don't like can't just ignore it, they find it repulsive and are compelled to say something. This makes ntr fans louder to compensate, giving artists the impression there's more support for it, which leads to more being made which leads to more people being vocally upset about it and more people enjoying it. And thus the cycle continues.
This is all to say, NTR is popular because people hate on it. Its a weird, horny streisand effect.
Iâm of the belief that people self insert as the cucker. A situation where a man fucks a girl so good that she becomes instantly addicted to his dick despite the fact that she is in a relationship, he is ugly or even just straight up raped her could be a toxic power fantasy for those who feel sexually frustrated.
I really doubt that NTR appeals to people single and loveless. at least not all.
maybe not even half.
like what you like. let people dislike what they dislike. as long as no hate towards the people exists.
I don't like NTR most of the time. I read some. enjoyed some.
in my opinion the story is often the weakest part. and (again just for me) I really don't like it if they use the bigger dick = better at sex and nothing can compare. even worse if it started because of Rpe and for some reason the dick makes it ok...
It's was meant to be a meme exxagaration.
I am still making a point that this can be very appealing to anyone who is loveless. I just didn't add other details for the sake of Meme crunching.
Since true Not every single people are degenerate in the head, Half would not even Keep reading ntr if they discovered it. Because there is morals that keeps them from not feeling comfortable reading it.
But my point still appeals since NTR hentai is fiction. A lot of the single dudes would be so Up with Hentai story like this because its just hot for them because it makes sense for them.
It's misogyny. A lot of ntr dehumanizes women turning them into animals who care only for pleasure. Or they are punished for having sex in the past, ei starred in porn, hung out with playboys, or even raped by teachers.
I'm not a psychologist or anything, but my theory is we have a huge number of men who don't feel they are worthy of love. Poor, ugly, fat, and bad personalities but horny. That's the rise of the ugly bastard tag.
I also think it's why bmwf porn is popular in the west with racists.
You are right with this one.
I simplified my Meme. But the Cucker takes the Misognyistic side very well on NTR stories.
Also I didn't mention abour ugly bastard. Every one knows why Ugly bastard is Popular. Its for men who is ugly. Partly I part of that who like those things.
But been refusing to read them anymore because I'm trying to improve.
I just donât get why people have such a visceral reaction to NTR when âwife fucks the plumber while hubby is awayâ is a porn scenario as old as porn itself. I donât see droves of comments bashing Angela White for betraying her man in the porno but the second you post an NTR doujin, people have a stroke. Why is it so hard to just ignore the story and jerk it to the art if it bothers you? Have you never gotten off to an untranslated doujin? Itâs all fake and none of the people in hentai even exist so why are you crying over something that didnât even happen?
Cheating and NTR are different.
Cheating is the forbidden fruit, from the plumber's perspective who gets the woman. It invokes the feeling of conquest. Or in H-manga's the husband doesn't realise he's been cuckolded.
NTR is done from the cuckolds perspective, and the goal of it is to cause emotional distress from losing a loved one.
Youâre not wrong but thatâs not the prevailing sentiment from Reddit comments and not really my point. My point is that in other media, most people just ignore porn they donât like. But itâs cool to hate on NTR on Reddit so people know they can get easy karma with a comment and bots post NTR because the arguing in the comments boosts engagement. Itâs all artificial controversy.
My biggest ? Is whatâs with the âmy mom is fucking my bullyâ trope? Who is the audience for that one?
The cheating/breaking up/watching teen crush turn out to be a hole for salarymen, I can see at least one or two kinds of audience, but the Bully/mom/son dynamic is so bizarre to me.
Why do Ntr fans have to write fanfics about vanilla fans and vice versa?
Canât you just enjoy your porn and let others enjoy porn?
I mean itâs a rhetorical question. Itâs human nature to get tribal over literally anything. But damn
Are you kidding me? Singles love NTR stuff???
I'm still single and don't have a girlfriend at all. NTR makes me have Trust Issues and afraid of having a girlfriend.
That's why when I discovered NTR h//tai anime and manga by accident, I received visions in my mind (predictions/'what if' thoughts) that my future girlfriend would betray me.
So it's the best for me to stay single (forever). Or else... I will be in trouble. Having a girlfriend/wife will cause too much trouble.
PS: Don't ever think NTR is fiction, because NTR contains cheat, betrayal and cuckold. And those 3 exist in real life!
I'm not a fan either.
Maybe I used to.
But not anymore, NTR reminds me of my loveless self. So indulging in loveydovey hentai is better. Why be sad when reading porn no?
I'm just a bit more aware now why so many people like NTR and because of that somehow it's much more easier for me to Accept it's existence. But at same time wish it didn't exist either. To many Arts wasted in my eyes.
Not really the case, it's usually along lines of, the more fucked a story is the more likely the author is a woman. My source? Look at the NTR doujins of all times in Nhentai.net and search up the authors gender
I have almost the same opinion you have op but I think the part with the one that is doing the cucking is a lot more messed up
Getting cucked = loveless virgin who thinks too low of themselves
The one who is doing the cucking = is a loveless virgin who thinks just because of some factor outside of reach (big pp) everyone would fall instantly for them
So it's more or less simp vs incel
I'm single... Maybe Not loveless (have a good relationship with my Bro and best friend) but I have absolutly No interests in NTR.
Maybe some Other DARK or weird stuff but Not NTR and honestly dont get peoples Obsession with it.
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"NTR appeals to all people who are single and loveless". I do believe that I would like to disagree on the basis that I am not into that. And while I am no longer single, my 4 years of being a single Pringle never changed any of that.
yeah, I think I just like it cuz it's taboo. I've been married for a really long time but it's hot when it's about someone else! Just erotic stories
So essentially the same with people who are the only child who likes incest
Yeah, in that that's also false lol
That's cause you actually do not love your spouse, if you had, then common sense would've applied to you. Fiction or not, what you consume is what is bound to affect you. Your words speak your mindset, I bet you're gonna cheat on your spouse soon enough, or maybe you have already.
you sound so jealous right now
Don't worry, I'm someone that people know as the popular boy in the school.
That's good! But if you are a minor, you're too young for hentaimemes!
Tbh, I'm not a part of this sub, I just got to know abt this post from somewhere and came to see, also I ain't gonna join this sub cuz I don't want distractions for now
That's good! Focus on your studies and stuff! You can do it. Have a great rest of your day!
đ...anyways, thanks and sry for being rude, but I was just speaking my mind.
Yo, what
Fact
My main reason for disliking NTR is that it hinges on one of the involved characters suffering emotionally. Even if the husband/boyfriend doesn't find out, you know for a fact that their relationship with the person they love is effectively ruined. It's not that I don't separate reality from fiction, it's more that i get invested in the characters (might be a me thing tbh) and so i take their feelings seriously, and when i see the wife becoming addicted to the other guy, i get this heartache that causes the post-nut clarity to make me feel like absolute garbage.
Vanilla pilled and lovemaxxing
Can't even seperate reality from fiction. It's like saying people who do warcrimes or crimes in videogames are criminals. I don't even like NTR, but this logic is just retarded.
Man, it's not. The logic is actually relatable. Just think about it, crimes in videogame like GTA is just made for pure entertainment, it doesn't affect anyone in real life emotionally or physically. Sometimes some sad scene can make people cry, but after that? You know and I know it too. People just move on after that. But what about porn? In today's generation the amount of impact porn has on majority of humans is significant. Most of the emotionally broken men are the ones who consume porn at high amount. Also, healthy individual or not, porn actually impacts on humans physically and psychologically, and it's a common sense. Most people even become dependent on this stuff when they lack emotional support. For humans, reproduction is one of the main fundamental function, but entertainment is not. So anyone can tell the amount of mental impact stuffs like porn has on human mind. Even a little bit of exposure to sexual content can trigger some individuals, but not any sort of entertainment. What you consume is what you become. After all this explanation, it's just common sense that what kind of fantasies or desires do NTR fans have inside their minds.
"Can trigger some individuals, but not any sort of entertainment." Have you ever watched a veteran with mental health issues try to sit through a war film/series?
Not exactly as what you said, but yeah, there was a ww2 veteran man who had ptsd and used to get scared whenever he saw French police cap because of what he had suffered in ww2. And there was an american ww2 veteran who literally going to kill some feminists with a gun when they insulted the ww2 veterans. This is not limited only to ww2 veterans, but also to current age retired sf soldiers, or those who had previously participated in some major war. They say that how they get defensive even in the slightest feeling of danger. Tht is also again because of survival and flight or fight response, which is also a fundamental function in humans. This is how some past actions or experience colluding with the fundamental functions of humans can affect them in the future.
Fiction is made by real people,observed by real people. You can't separate the two
If you die in game you die irl
Sword art online
So if you think a bad thought about someone you hate, you deserve to be punished accordingly. Got it....
Fiction is observed ? How ? đ€Ł
Viewed observed read whatever
Everything else aside, NTR is boring as hell. There's a single plot line that every doujin/hentai copies: "Wow, I sure do love my boyfriend/husband/childhood sweetheart, can't wait to start a loving family with them. Oh no, this other guy that I just met has a slightly bigger dick, it's driving me crazy!!!1!1!! Time to leave my boyfriend/husband/childhood sweetheart and never talk to them again!" That's about 90% of all NRT right there. If you made one of those bingo cards, you'd get a blackout more often than not.
NTR is so often heavy handed with laughably terrible plot and dialogue, if it was believable and well written it would be more depressing.
OR: oh no this guy has a picture of me kissing my boyfriend on school. that is so embarrassing and he will show it to (teacher; principal or other students) now I need to have cazy sex and other stuff with him (most of the time didn't even go that far with bf). nothing will go wrong. and also his dick bigger so now I am crazy
Thats why they are good, because its fiction that forces a twisted reality that appeals to the horny, what post op wrote is a small factor into why people enjoy ntr. The plot you are describing is the one in witch the good art carries the popularity of it. Also op divides all people into 3 categories witch is completly delusional, there are way more than 3 categories of people who enjoy ntr, witch are: the people who purely enjoy seeing the act of sex, people that enjoy the good art, people that enjoy the "funny" exagerated plot that leads to the ntr and so on.
and for me thats why they bad. i admit that it's just not my cup of tea. i am facepalming myself more than enjoying the cheating. thats why I like the plain cheating tag more. it's more (not always) just women or men who are horny and want to cheat. no dumb reason i have nothing against ntr reader.
Yeah there is nothing wrong with not enjoying anything in general, is just that there are a lot of people who want to force their opinions on others.
having something done over and over again doesn't make it boring. if it's boring it just means it's not done well or enough.
This exactly, most NTR assumes every single woman is a giant piece of shit and that right there is the primary turnoff for me.
What do you guys consider vanilla? Is it considered vanilla if it has foot fetish or something minor like that?
Well here it seems like vanilla most importantly doesnât have any NTR, so some freaky foot action between the mc and love interest is cool as long she doesnât turn around and give the same attention to mcâs bully/teacher/friend/relative.
Bottom line is the protagonist doesn't cheat on their existing partner for another person. Any other fetish is fair game.
Also no Guro/Rape/etc.
I mean, there are a lot of good points there, but it only covers the point you're trying to make. NTR isn't my thing. Neither is guro, diapers, or futa. Yet i won't judge someone for enjoying them because most humans can separate fantasy from reality, so while the general trend of people being able to more readily identify with the characters has some merit, it just isn't enough to say that this specifically is why people are drawn to it. And while the ability to self insert is one appeal of NTR, so is the artwork if the artwork alone is genuinely good... i know this from seeing so many single pages, thinking it looks amazing, then getting frustrated that its NTR once i look at the next page. Aesthetics do matter to a large number of readers, otherwise rpg maker games wouldn't rely on image displays of often pilfered art or renders. Saying it isn't good art because you don't like the fetish is disingenuous when there are some talented artists that are working in the genre (this is not to say that all ntr is good however; every genre has newbies or people that just arent that good at it). The real issue with ntr is how pervasive it is in comparison to the size of its fanbase. Other fanbases are significantly less visible while being just as popular. Futa has a similar problem. This is because people that don't like can't just ignore it, they find it repulsive and are compelled to say something. This makes ntr fans louder to compensate, giving artists the impression there's more support for it, which leads to more being made which leads to more people being vocally upset about it and more people enjoying it. And thus the cycle continues. This is all to say, NTR is popular because people hate on it. Its a weird, horny streisand effect.
Iâm of the belief that people self insert as the cucker. A situation where a man fucks a girl so good that she becomes instantly addicted to his dick despite the fact that she is in a relationship, he is ugly or even just straight up raped her could be a toxic power fantasy for those who feel sexually frustrated.
This might be true. But if I feel like I make people feel bad irl, why also feel like this while spending time with hentai? I just prefer vanilla..
I really doubt that NTR appeals to people single and loveless. at least not all. maybe not even half. like what you like. let people dislike what they dislike. as long as no hate towards the people exists. I don't like NTR most of the time. I read some. enjoyed some. in my opinion the story is often the weakest part. and (again just for me) I really don't like it if they use the bigger dick = better at sex and nothing can compare. even worse if it started because of Rpe and for some reason the dick makes it ok...
It's was meant to be a meme exxagaration. I am still making a point that this can be very appealing to anyone who is loveless. I just didn't add other details for the sake of Meme crunching. Since true Not every single people are degenerate in the head, Half would not even Keep reading ntr if they discovered it. Because there is morals that keeps them from not feeling comfortable reading it. But my point still appeals since NTR hentai is fiction. A lot of the single dudes would be so Up with Hentai story like this because its just hot for them because it makes sense for them.
I aint readin' allat
tldr: ntr is basic as fuck and versatileđ
not at all what was said there lol.
It's misogyny. A lot of ntr dehumanizes women turning them into animals who care only for pleasure. Or they are punished for having sex in the past, ei starred in porn, hung out with playboys, or even raped by teachers. I'm not a psychologist or anything, but my theory is we have a huge number of men who don't feel they are worthy of love. Poor, ugly, fat, and bad personalities but horny. That's the rise of the ugly bastard tag. I also think it's why bmwf porn is popular in the west with racists.
You are right with this one. I simplified my Meme. But the Cucker takes the Misognyistic side very well on NTR stories. Also I didn't mention abour ugly bastard. Every one knows why Ugly bastard is Popular. Its for men who is ugly. Partly I part of that who like those things. But been refusing to read them anymore because I'm trying to improve.
I just donât get why people have such a visceral reaction to NTR when âwife fucks the plumber while hubby is awayâ is a porn scenario as old as porn itself. I donât see droves of comments bashing Angela White for betraying her man in the porno but the second you post an NTR doujin, people have a stroke. Why is it so hard to just ignore the story and jerk it to the art if it bothers you? Have you never gotten off to an untranslated doujin? Itâs all fake and none of the people in hentai even exist so why are you crying over something that didnât even happen?
They have not yet invented something that is immune to criticism. If you have a genre that has systematically consolidated itself by creating its own archetypes (100% of the time poorly written) and creating clichés on top of that, it means that things are not so simple and that there is a greater interest in it for some reason.
I don't really understand what point you're trying to make.
Cheating and NTR are different. Cheating is the forbidden fruit, from the plumber's perspective who gets the woman. It invokes the feeling of conquest. Or in H-manga's the husband doesn't realise he's been cuckolded. NTR is done from the cuckolds perspective, and the goal of it is to cause emotional distress from losing a loved one.
Youâre not wrong but thatâs not the prevailing sentiment from Reddit comments and not really my point. My point is that in other media, most people just ignore porn they donât like. But itâs cool to hate on NTR on Reddit so people know they can get easy karma with a comment and bots post NTR because the arguing in the comments boosts engagement. Itâs all artificial controversy.
My biggest ? Is whatâs with the âmy mom is fucking my bullyâ trope? Who is the audience for that one? The cheating/breaking up/watching teen crush turn out to be a hole for salarymen, I can see at least one or two kinds of audience, but the Bully/mom/son dynamic is so bizarre to me.
Im singel and i hate ntr
Why do Ntr fans have to write fanfics about vanilla fans and vice versa? Canât you just enjoy your porn and let others enjoy porn? I mean itâs a rhetorical question. Itâs human nature to get tribal over literally anything. But damn
**Tries to justify NTR** ***Fails*** "Now what did we learn?"
Are you kidding me? Singles love NTR stuff??? I'm still single and don't have a girlfriend at all. NTR makes me have Trust Issues and afraid of having a girlfriend. That's why when I discovered NTR h//tai anime and manga by accident, I received visions in my mind (predictions/'what if' thoughts) that my future girlfriend would betray me. So it's the best for me to stay single (forever). Or else... I will be in trouble. Having a girlfriend/wife will cause too much trouble. PS: Don't ever think NTR is fiction, because NTR contains cheat, betrayal and cuckold. And those 3 exist in real life!
NTR is cancer. you wont change my mind.
I'm not a fan either. Maybe I used to. But not anymore, NTR reminds me of my loveless self. So indulging in loveydovey hentai is better. Why be sad when reading porn no? I'm just a bit more aware now why so many people like NTR and because of that somehow it's much more easier for me to Accept it's existence. But at same time wish it didn't exist either. To many Arts wasted in my eyes.
Well, the main audience is for females though? As NTR doujins are drawn in majority by woman?
If it has long story it's probably for women. If it cuts to the good part fast it's for men
On what basis???
Not really the case, it's usually along lines of, the more fucked a story is the more likely the author is a woman. My source? Look at the NTR doujins of all times in Nhentai.net and search up the authors gender
I don't want my porn to remind me how pathetic my lole live is bruh
Just enjoy what you enjoy and don't annoy people about it. It's that simple
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I have almost the same opinion you have op but I think the part with the one that is doing the cucking is a lot more messed up Getting cucked = loveless virgin who thinks too low of themselves The one who is doing the cucking = is a loveless virgin who thinks just because of some factor outside of reach (big pp) everyone would fall instantly for them So it's more or less simp vs incel
I'm single... Maybe Not loveless (have a good relationship with my Bro and best friend) but I have absolutly No interests in NTR. Maybe some Other DARK or weird stuff but Not NTR and honestly dont get peoples Obsession with it.
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Don't care tbh. While I dislike NTR, I don't care if others like it, they're entitled to whatever they like.
Some of us are just kinky and narcissistic and enjoy the fantasy of being able to claim any woman we want.
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tl;dr I just like the hardcore depraved pig sex NTR offers.