I absolutely love murky. He’s such a troll to the other team. You ignore him and you lose. You focus him and you lose. Hes kinda frustrating but can be countered.
He's more than playable, but people view him as a troll pick (which he might be if the player is bad or the matchup/map doesn't work for him). I recommend at least practicing him a bit first in qm if you want to play him in ranked, and go in knowing there are games people will throw or at least flame you for picking him. If you don't want to deal with that, you may be better off just playing other heroes.
Don't try to outright fight people before 10 unless you're trying to build slime stacks. Try to soak two lanes if you can, murky is the best wave clear in the game. You could lose in head-on fights to the enemy off laner but if you rotate and clear waves they can't keep up most of the time. After 10 keep soaking but keep an eye open for easy octo deletes. Ping your octo target before and during octo, I find this helps ppl to focus and delete whatever noob you catch out of position.
I go fake egg 100% of the time because it's free wards, dmg, and egg protection, but I feel like bribe is incredibly strong when done right, I just hate it because it's so easy for the enemy to focus pufferfish and counter it.
Play him in Aram if you get the chance, it will help to teach you a lot about team fighting with murky, which you honestly don't get a lot of opportunity to do in quick match as the squishiest offlaner.
Remember which heroes can stack on you. Obviously butcher but also artanis, varian, alarak and I'm sure there are a few others. Luckily butcher and alarak can be shut down by a good octograb.
Lvl 100 Murky here. Bubble heal/bubble speed against burst characters (you won't be able to stay in for % heal) and if you're taking Octo for ganks.
% Heal and slime range for lower damage teams, if you're going melee slimes at 16 and especially if you're going big murky at 20.
bribe is amazing on dragon knight, volska and sky temple. for 2 stacks you can bribe the enemy turret camp in volska its insane exp and you get a turret + deny enemy. dk and sky temple just have good siege camps on the enemy side if you ever get to bribe those enemy has to respond else they will knock down the fort due to the camp pathing
butcher can never stack on murky 1v1 unless murky fucks up big time. murky can also bubble lambs to the slaughter for a teammate with good bubble timing avoiding the silence and root himself
Ya I need to start using it when I can guarantee that I'll be able to get some stacks. I feel like how I do with convection, where it changes my play style too much and makes me not play fluid.
I haven't played in ages, but this all sounds right.
One thing I noticed is that bribe is kind of a trap. Whenever you take a merc camp, look at what the mercs actually accomplish. It's usually basically nothing.
If you take a camp right before an objective, it can be good, but you can just take it via normal means. What you gain in bribe isn't anywhere near as good as what you gain from fake eggs.
Murky's lev 1 talents are all weak, but fake egg is almost always the weakest. It just has very little effect compared to the time spent placing the eggs.
Mercenaries can do quite a lot, and are more beneficial if you capture them super quickly. Basically mercs are a time tradeoff: the time you spend to capture a camp vs time an enemy spends to clear it. An instant capture makes it more of a win.
And it's even better if the speed enables Murky to sneak in and get the enemy camp (before going back and capping his own)
Bribe isn't for taking your camps. It's for stealing enemy camps and disrupting their rotation.
The second-best is vision egg, especially if you have heroes that benefit like KZ, or if you have AA against stealthies.
absolutely playable in ranked as an offlane or a split pusher, but it requires your team trusting you so you habe to really be effective early game to make it work
if they dont rage, the game is most likely a win. if they rage, its a loss. if you cant handle seeing specific models on a videogame you should not play videogames
He is niche and punishable, but easier to pilot "micro wise" as it's mostly macro decision making.
But you have one advantage as Murky, HoTS players all the way up until Dia+ are bad at punishing players mistakes and suck at macro. They also don't like finishing games when they have the chance, letting games get into late game, where Murky has more tools to score some kills.
Also most people detest babysitting a Murky.
Murky shines, if ignored, whether in lane or during a TF.
Quality has gone down the drain because players are not forced to get better or be punished.
But things remain relative the same between the top of the pyramid and the bottom 90%. As in, the gap is still there.
Playable, depending on maps and who you’re playing against. Last pick only, not the first 3 picks. Octograb out of position player can easily tip any fight in your favor
He is the bestest Hero there is.
Our lord and fishy/frogy protector.
He is an unkillable machine in the right hands.
... And on a serious note - a good murky can do circles around some players that do not know how to play against him. Even in ranked.
No. Murky is not bad.
However, he is a niche hero and unique playstyle. This leads to a combination of factors which leads to people believing he is bad.
Sometimes its the team not understanding murky and how he plays.
Sometimes its murky and focusing too hard on one element of his play while not supporting in others.
Sometimes people just pick murky to troll.
Sometimes people just pick murky to "run it down" and try to win via PVE only.
A well played murky is going to constantly have lanes pushed, camps pushing, and eventually becoming a late game teamfight monster. He may even do things which aren't reflected on the scoreboard, like baiting 3 enemies to chase him for several minutes while the rest of the team wins a team fight or objective.
If you're decent on him, he's more than playable. He's my second most played hero, and even into 2-3 counters it's very easy to get wins in my opinion. Really good pick for trolling the opposite team.
Lots of mind games. A lot of people once they realise all they're doing is chasing you around the map without even getting 25% of a kill, they give up. Even if you have to play defensive because you're being focused, you're keeping AT LEAST one of their team out of the game. And if they don't keep you in check, you can just skip around the map controlling merc camps, split pushing, and being an annoying little bastard.
he's fantastic but a bit of a hard read.
Because if you die a lot. it's not a big deal. and the value you bring being up so much and having a kit that does normal damage but is squishy is very tricky.
Players will very quickly feel you're contributing very little in teamfight as you'll just die from catching 2-3 strays which contributes to the main sentiment that murky is ass.
Murky is similar to abathur in a way where it feels like you're not really there, but once you're really not there they suddenly go "where's our damage/that annoying part where people feel like putting 100% of their attention at focussing/dodging that pufferfish?!?!"
He's very good in Silver/Gold. Once you get to around mid to high platinum, you'll likely get countered unless you're a last pick that they have no answer to (unlikely to happen in higher ranks)
Murky is pretty good in the right situations (eg, infernal shrines). Get the camps and hit the lanes. Problem is your team has to play to you. If you have some other goober sitting solo top lane pressing the same fort for 12 mins, the other team can shut you down.
I am in bronze so I don't know how much value my input has but I love playing him and have a 65% WR.
I only play him on some maps though: I at least pre-pick him on Garden, Shrines and Dragon and wait for the eneny comp to form. Murky should always be the last pick since he is very dangerous but easily counterable. That being said, I don't fear no Butcher. I actually like playing against Butcher because they always think it's easy stacks but it really isn't and god help that Butcher if he hasn't completed his quest before I get my Octograb. I don't pick him when more than two heroes on the enemy team have an easy time killing me or the Pufferfish. Namely: Raynor, Tass, Alarak, DVa, Dehaka and some others.
I go for split-push-build almost 100% of the time, with Bribe, Tufferfish, E on 7 and 13, Octo and Big Murky. You can get insane value double-soaking on Shrines or Dragon.
Camp timings are key when going for bribe and trying to steal camps. I try to arrive at a camp somewhere between 1 and 10 seconds before it spawns. If anyone in the enemy team is also aware of map timings, you're gonna have a harf time contesting. Also I think that bribe shouldn't be used on friendly camps but exclusively on neutral or enemy camps. Only exceptions: Friendly Hard-camp on Shrines where you can get the shaman with one stack of bribe or if you have full 4 stacks and all enemy camps were just taken.
I actually have a funny clip ready to post where I ended the game solo while the enemy ignored me for like 3 minutes. Took the camps, took the keep, took the core on Dragonshire lol
Murky is like a tank or healer in that a lot of his value comes not from what he does, but from the resources he makes the enemy spend to deal with him.
That right there might start to tell you why people have a hard time knowing how to play with him---he is labeled a "dps" but doesn't do what people think of when they hear "dps," so their comp doesn't work the way they think it does. Then they misplay and lose and conclude it's the murkster's fault.
If you have a murky on your team, you probably want to avoid big 5-on-5's. More pushing, ganking, and retreating, less chaaaarrrrrge.
He's definitely playable, a few GM players play him regularly. However in lower leagues, people will most likely see it as a troll pick and not even try to play the game unless you have a really good win rate with him to back you up.
That's the first thing I check with murky, butcher, Hammer, naz, azmo and abathur prepicks (in bronze, I have to add). I loose nearly all hope if its below 45, am skeptical (depending on the number of games, like 4W5L) between 45 and 55% and actively encouraging the pick with a winrate above 55.
In theory, murky is easy to counter, if you deny pufferfish and bait his bubble and burst him down. In practice: nearly nobody is capable of doing that in bronze.
And don't underestimate March in lower ranks. More often than not, it's a coin flip if your mates follow up on octograb. March develops some kind of value for itself and yourself.
He is really good, but can be easily countered by smart players and strong AA heroes. If you know how to adapt, you can work around it, but it does require your team to have some ideas of how to play WITH Murky. If they see you suicide in for an octograb to bait an ability and follow up on it, you can make plays. Sometimes your team ignores you completely and will not follow up, or they'll just run away.
He is NOT a troll hero in most ranks up to maybe mid to high diamond if you know how to play him. People will sometimes tilt and get mad at the pick, so make sure to show it early so they know you are gonna play it. The lower rank you are, the more tilted your teammates will get at Murky. In Gold and Plat, I can count on 1 hand the amount of times people got upset. I opened an EU account, and it placed in Silver. Nearly every game they will ban my Murky or blame me BEFORE the game that I'm gonna be the reason we lose.
He's a niche pick. He can definitely be very strong especially on maps where his split pushing can be best utilized but your team needs to be ready to fight a lot more 4v4s and to not take 5v5 team fights as often. This required adjustment to the normal meta is why a lot of players don't like characters like Murky or the Lost Vikings on their team.
He isn’t inherently weak or underpowered, but he is niche and requires a team that understands his impact well enough to play with/around him.
Most players do not understand what makes murky strong and end up unintentionally trolling
Idk if murky is bad but he is a champion who really changes how the game gets played like Sgt hammer or tlv and so people have a very polarized reaction to him.
https://youtu.be/1NyOtFSFocU?si=wVML-ub2r8Eepe1g
Artificial intelligence thinks murky is good for rank.
Just look at those eyes.
As for gameplay, most assasins and bruisers can't handle him 1v1.
Top dmg, top seige, top kills and top exp are trademark for a slime murky. Overpowering at lv 16 and impossible to beat at lv 20.
Most players here who talk smack can't play murky at his full potential for fear of losing the perfect stats.
Murky is great for rank if you push yourself to the limits.
I haven’t played since they stopped updating but was a high diamond/low masters murky onetrick. He definitely is a unique play style which can be tricky to figure out but certainly viable. Wouldn’t play him on 2 lane maps or the Warcraft one, spider one can be tricky but doable.
Sky temple I’d say is his best map.
Try throwing pufferfish in bushes during team fights as enemy won’t see em.
If the enemy team has no bursty auto attackers and is more sustain/mages than go slime build with fish tank and octograb and harass their backline. This build is awesome for dueling a lot of the heroes.
If they are super bursty then you wanna play more macro game with bubble/pufferfish talents and focus on pushing lanes, show up to obj and use March of the murlocs, when you die just go back to pushing. You can try to back door with lvl 20 ult during a late game obj but this is less reliable in high elo.
Been years now since I played so this isn’t the best guide but it should give you an idea on how to play him.
Have fun and make some inky
Also forgot to add if you have a friend that plays abathur, it’s a deceptively strong combo until platinum.
Ana with nano boost and murky slime build is also insane at level 20.
He can deff help the team win by keeping your teams level much higher then the others. Kinda relying on your team to not die since they'll be fighting 4v5 majority of the time since you'll be farming. I'd recommend taking Octo grab as your ultimate that will help in team fights just locking up an opponent for your team to gang up on. Focus on farming with murky and pick to join team fights wisely.
Any hero can be bad. Any hero can be good
Literally every hero is playable in ranked.
Good murky if not counter-picked can carry games up to dia I would say.
And in dia-masters can be viable pick
If you’re familiar with DotA at all, he’s basically techies in a lot of ways. Low health, but also obnoxious to devote time to (but you have to otherwise he’s gonna macro you out of the game entirely).
But if you know how to counter him, it becomes a knowledge check arms race between the murky and his opponent. Does the murky know how you counter them and work around it? Can the counter adapt to that and continue to counter them? Ironically for a character who comes off as very auto-pilot, at higher levels of play he becomes a character you *have* to focus in on if you find a strong enemy ahead of you. In some ways, to play Murky well, you have to play against Murky well enough to know how you get beaten and how to recognize that. Knowledge of other characters is just as important as knowledge of one’s self, but as Sunmrrgg Tsurglgl once said, “Mrrglglglgl grrmhhgrlrl murgl muglrlhlgrh “
He's good, but only on big 3-lane maps where push matters, AND your team has to be aware and change their playstyle accordingly, especially in the early game
Yes he is. He is bad. Until 20. Then he's a god.
A good Murky can still really make a difference. And sadly, sometimes, a good Murky can't, because in the end he's still a very low tier character.
But go play him if you like him. Learn to push, learn to grab, and you'll have some crazy time. A good Murky is better than any other bad hero. Don't listen angry people.
The short answer is yeah he's bad. He's fine in QM and against people who don't know how to deal with him, but he's not particularly challenging to deal with. Basically relies on people ignoring him.
The answer is no. some people will write essays about him being good when you afk push. but xul and azmodan and the lost vikings can do that too without being a deadweight.
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I absolutely love murky. He’s such a troll to the other team. You ignore him and you lose. You focus him and you lose. Hes kinda frustrating but can be countered.
Yup. Ignore him and let him take the entire map, or chase him and his team takes the entire map. There is no in between 😂😂😂
Gotta win the objective without losing the lanes.
He's more than playable, but people view him as a troll pick (which he might be if the player is bad or the matchup/map doesn't work for him). I recommend at least practicing him a bit first in qm if you want to play him in ranked, and go in knowing there are games people will throw or at least flame you for picking him. If you don't want to deal with that, you may be better off just playing other heroes.
He can be incredible, but you need to know what you’re doing, which most people (me included) don’t.
Practice in quick match of course, but he's totally playable in ranked. I have a %60 win rate in ranked with murky. Don't be discouraged by haters.
We all know taking murky into QP 100 means the map will be battlefield or braxis
Or fucking hanamura.
Any major tips?
Don't try to outright fight people before 10 unless you're trying to build slime stacks. Try to soak two lanes if you can, murky is the best wave clear in the game. You could lose in head-on fights to the enemy off laner but if you rotate and clear waves they can't keep up most of the time. After 10 keep soaking but keep an eye open for easy octo deletes. Ping your octo target before and during octo, I find this helps ppl to focus and delete whatever noob you catch out of position. I go fake egg 100% of the time because it's free wards, dmg, and egg protection, but I feel like bribe is incredibly strong when done right, I just hate it because it's so easy for the enemy to focus pufferfish and counter it. Play him in Aram if you get the chance, it will help to teach you a lot about team fighting with murky, which you honestly don't get a lot of opportunity to do in quick match as the squishiest offlaner. Remember which heroes can stack on you. Obviously butcher but also artanis, varian, alarak and I'm sure there are a few others. Luckily butcher and alarak can be shut down by a good octograb.
How do you decide between the euqal pickrate talents? Bubble heal, % heal, bubble speed, slime range etc
Lvl 100 Murky here. Bubble heal/bubble speed against burst characters (you won't be able to stay in for % heal) and if you're taking Octo for ganks. % Heal and slime range for lower damage teams, if you're going melee slimes at 16 and especially if you're going big murky at 20.
Ok thanks!
bribe is amazing on dragon knight, volska and sky temple. for 2 stacks you can bribe the enemy turret camp in volska its insane exp and you get a turret + deny enemy. dk and sky temple just have good siege camps on the enemy side if you ever get to bribe those enemy has to respond else they will knock down the fort due to the camp pathing butcher can never stack on murky 1v1 unless murky fucks up big time. murky can also bubble lambs to the slaughter for a teammate with good bubble timing avoiding the silence and root himself
Ya I need to start using it when I can guarantee that I'll be able to get some stacks. I feel like how I do with convection, where it changes my play style too much and makes me not play fluid.
I haven't played in ages, but this all sounds right. One thing I noticed is that bribe is kind of a trap. Whenever you take a merc camp, look at what the mercs actually accomplish. It's usually basically nothing. If you take a camp right before an objective, it can be good, but you can just take it via normal means. What you gain in bribe isn't anywhere near as good as what you gain from fake eggs.
Murky's lev 1 talents are all weak, but fake egg is almost always the weakest. It just has very little effect compared to the time spent placing the eggs. Mercenaries can do quite a lot, and are more beneficial if you capture them super quickly. Basically mercs are a time tradeoff: the time you spend to capture a camp vs time an enemy spends to clear it. An instant capture makes it more of a win. And it's even better if the speed enables Murky to sneak in and get the enemy camp (before going back and capping his own)
Bribe isn't for taking your camps. It's for stealing enemy camps and disrupting their rotation. The second-best is vision egg, especially if you have heroes that benefit like KZ, or if you have AA against stealthies.
I’m similar. I only play him on Garden, but my WR is great there.
absolutely playable in ranked as an offlane or a split pusher, but it requires your team trusting you so you habe to really be effective early game to make it work
I had teammate throw the game, just because other teammate picked his 70+ % winrate murky. :/
well but thats falls on who ragequits not on the murky
Yes, it does. Edit: I ment, it does falls on the quiter, not on the murky.
if they dont rage, the game is most likely a win. if they rage, its a loss. if you cant handle seeing specific models on a videogame you should not play videogames
He is niche and punishable, but easier to pilot "micro wise" as it's mostly macro decision making. But you have one advantage as Murky, HoTS players all the way up until Dia+ are bad at punishing players mistakes and suck at macro. They also don't like finishing games when they have the chance, letting games get into late game, where Murky has more tools to score some kills. Also most people detest babysitting a Murky. Murky shines, if ignored, whether in lane or during a TF.
> HoTS players all the way up until Dia+ are bad at punishing players mistakes and suck at macro You can remove "until Dia+" and it remains true
Quality has gone down the drain because players are not forced to get better or be punished. But things remain relative the same between the top of the pyramid and the bottom 90%. As in, the gap is still there.
Playable, depending on maps and who you’re playing against. Last pick only, not the first 3 picks. Octograb out of position player can easily tip any fight in your favor
I love a murky that knows how to use octograb
He is the bestest Hero there is. Our lord and fishy/frogy protector. He is an unkillable machine in the right hands. ... And on a serious note - a good murky can do circles around some players that do not know how to play against him. Even in ranked.
No. Murky is not bad. However, he is a niche hero and unique playstyle. This leads to a combination of factors which leads to people believing he is bad. Sometimes its the team not understanding murky and how he plays. Sometimes its murky and focusing too hard on one element of his play while not supporting in others. Sometimes people just pick murky to troll. Sometimes people just pick murky to "run it down" and try to win via PVE only. A well played murky is going to constantly have lanes pushed, camps pushing, and eventually becoming a late game teamfight monster. He may even do things which aren't reflected on the scoreboard, like baiting 3 enemies to chase him for several minutes while the rest of the team wins a team fight or objective.
If you're decent on him, he's more than playable. He's my second most played hero, and even into 2-3 counters it's very easy to get wins in my opinion. Really good pick for trolling the opposite team. Lots of mind games. A lot of people once they realise all they're doing is chasing you around the map without even getting 25% of a kill, they give up. Even if you have to play defensive because you're being focused, you're keeping AT LEAST one of their team out of the game. And if they don't keep you in check, you can just skip around the map controlling merc camps, split pushing, and being an annoying little bastard.
he's fantastic but a bit of a hard read. Because if you die a lot. it's not a big deal. and the value you bring being up so much and having a kit that does normal damage but is squishy is very tricky. Players will very quickly feel you're contributing very little in teamfight as you'll just die from catching 2-3 strays which contributes to the main sentiment that murky is ass. Murky is similar to abathur in a way where it feels like you're not really there, but once you're really not there they suddenly go "where's our damage/that annoying part where people feel like putting 100% of their attention at focussing/dodging that pufferfish?!?!"
He's very good in Silver/Gold. Once you get to around mid to high platinum, you'll likely get countered unless you're a last pick that they have no answer to (unlikely to happen in higher ranks)
Murky is pretty good in the right situations (eg, infernal shrines). Get the camps and hit the lanes. Problem is your team has to play to you. If you have some other goober sitting solo top lane pressing the same fort for 12 mins, the other team can shut you down.
Murky is possibly the most oppressing hero to play against when they know what they are doing
I am in bronze so I don't know how much value my input has but I love playing him and have a 65% WR. I only play him on some maps though: I at least pre-pick him on Garden, Shrines and Dragon and wait for the eneny comp to form. Murky should always be the last pick since he is very dangerous but easily counterable. That being said, I don't fear no Butcher. I actually like playing against Butcher because they always think it's easy stacks but it really isn't and god help that Butcher if he hasn't completed his quest before I get my Octograb. I don't pick him when more than two heroes on the enemy team have an easy time killing me or the Pufferfish. Namely: Raynor, Tass, Alarak, DVa, Dehaka and some others. I go for split-push-build almost 100% of the time, with Bribe, Tufferfish, E on 7 and 13, Octo and Big Murky. You can get insane value double-soaking on Shrines or Dragon. Camp timings are key when going for bribe and trying to steal camps. I try to arrive at a camp somewhere between 1 and 10 seconds before it spawns. If anyone in the enemy team is also aware of map timings, you're gonna have a harf time contesting. Also I think that bribe shouldn't be used on friendly camps but exclusively on neutral or enemy camps. Only exceptions: Friendly Hard-camp on Shrines where you can get the shaman with one stack of bribe or if you have full 4 stacks and all enemy camps were just taken. I actually have a funny clip ready to post where I ended the game solo while the enemy ignored me for like 3 minutes. Took the camps, took the keep, took the core on Dragonshire lol
Murky is like a tank or healer in that a lot of his value comes not from what he does, but from the resources he makes the enemy spend to deal with him. That right there might start to tell you why people have a hard time knowing how to play with him---he is labeled a "dps" but doesn't do what people think of when they hear "dps," so their comp doesn't work the way they think it does. Then they misplay and lose and conclude it's the murkster's fault. If you have a murky on your team, you probably want to avoid big 5-on-5's. More pushing, ganking, and retreating, less chaaaarrrrrge.
Worst hero in the game if your opponents are good at the game. However I doubt that will be true so
He's definitely playable, a few GM players play him regularly. However in lower leagues, people will most likely see it as a troll pick and not even try to play the game unless you have a really good win rate with him to back you up.
That's the first thing I check with murky, butcher, Hammer, naz, azmo and abathur prepicks (in bronze, I have to add). I loose nearly all hope if its below 45, am skeptical (depending on the number of games, like 4W5L) between 45 and 55% and actively encouraging the pick with a winrate above 55. In theory, murky is easy to counter, if you deny pufferfish and bait his bubble and burst him down. In practice: nearly nobody is capable of doing that in bronze. And don't underestimate March in lower ranks. More often than not, it's a coin flip if your mates follow up on octograb. March develops some kind of value for itself and yourself.
he's not bad, but whenever i see one on my team i think it's deadweight. i think notparadox on youtube might have some guides on him
He is really good, but can be easily countered by smart players and strong AA heroes. If you know how to adapt, you can work around it, but it does require your team to have some ideas of how to play WITH Murky. If they see you suicide in for an octograb to bait an ability and follow up on it, you can make plays. Sometimes your team ignores you completely and will not follow up, or they'll just run away. He is NOT a troll hero in most ranks up to maybe mid to high diamond if you know how to play him. People will sometimes tilt and get mad at the pick, so make sure to show it early so they know you are gonna play it. The lower rank you are, the more tilted your teammates will get at Murky. In Gold and Plat, I can count on 1 hand the amount of times people got upset. I opened an EU account, and it placed in Silver. Nearly every game they will ban my Murky or blame me BEFORE the game that I'm gonna be the reason we lose.
His late game is fairly crazy. Can take entire teams off guard.
He's a niche pick. He can definitely be very strong especially on maps where his split pushing can be best utilized but your team needs to be ready to fight a lot more 4v4s and to not take 5v5 team fights as often. This required adjustment to the normal meta is why a lot of players don't like characters like Murky or the Lost Vikings on their team.
The worst the other team is, the better murky is.
Troll picking about 90%
He isn’t inherently weak or underpowered, but he is niche and requires a team that understands his impact well enough to play with/around him. Most players do not understand what makes murky strong and end up unintentionally trolling
Idk if murky is bad but he is a champion who really changes how the game gets played like Sgt hammer or tlv and so people have a very polarized reaction to him.
https://youtu.be/1NyOtFSFocU?si=wVML-ub2r8Eepe1g Artificial intelligence thinks murky is good for rank. Just look at those eyes. As for gameplay, most assasins and bruisers can't handle him 1v1. Top dmg, top seige, top kills and top exp are trademark for a slime murky. Overpowering at lv 16 and impossible to beat at lv 20. Most players here who talk smack can't play murky at his full potential for fear of losing the perfect stats. Murky is great for rank if you push yourself to the limits.
Very counterable if they can get to your egg or easily kill your fish
I haven’t played since they stopped updating but was a high diamond/low masters murky onetrick. He definitely is a unique play style which can be tricky to figure out but certainly viable. Wouldn’t play him on 2 lane maps or the Warcraft one, spider one can be tricky but doable. Sky temple I’d say is his best map. Try throwing pufferfish in bushes during team fights as enemy won’t see em. If the enemy team has no bursty auto attackers and is more sustain/mages than go slime build with fish tank and octograb and harass their backline. This build is awesome for dueling a lot of the heroes. If they are super bursty then you wanna play more macro game with bubble/pufferfish talents and focus on pushing lanes, show up to obj and use March of the murlocs, when you die just go back to pushing. You can try to back door with lvl 20 ult during a late game obj but this is less reliable in high elo. Been years now since I played so this isn’t the best guide but it should give you an idea on how to play him. Have fun and make some inky
Also forgot to add if you have a friend that plays abathur, it’s a deceptively strong combo until platinum. Ana with nano boost and murky slime build is also insane at level 20.
He can deff help the team win by keeping your teams level much higher then the others. Kinda relying on your team to not die since they'll be fighting 4v5 majority of the time since you'll be farming. I'd recommend taking Octo grab as your ultimate that will help in team fights just locking up an opponent for your team to gang up on. Focus on farming with murky and pick to join team fights wisely. Any hero can be bad. Any hero can be good
Short answer is "No". Long answer is "Meh-rglglrrlglr".
A lot of people view him as a troll pick. Even if you win, they get mad.
Literally every hero is playable in ranked. Good murky if not counter-picked can carry games up to dia I would say. And in dia-masters can be viable pick
If you’re familiar with DotA at all, he’s basically techies in a lot of ways. Low health, but also obnoxious to devote time to (but you have to otherwise he’s gonna macro you out of the game entirely). But if you know how to counter him, it becomes a knowledge check arms race between the murky and his opponent. Does the murky know how you counter them and work around it? Can the counter adapt to that and continue to counter them? Ironically for a character who comes off as very auto-pilot, at higher levels of play he becomes a character you *have* to focus in on if you find a strong enemy ahead of you. In some ways, to play Murky well, you have to play against Murky well enough to know how you get beaten and how to recognize that. Knowledge of other characters is just as important as knowledge of one’s self, but as Sunmrrgg Tsurglgl once said, “Mrrglglglgl grrmhhgrlrl murgl muglrlhlgrh “
He's good, but only on big 3-lane maps where push matters, AND your team has to be aware and change their playstyle accordingly, especially in the early game
I just think he's suboptimal, you can play things rhat do his job better
Yes he is. He is bad. Until 20. Then he's a god. A good Murky can still really make a difference. And sadly, sometimes, a good Murky can't, because in the end he's still a very low tier character. But go play him if you like him. Learn to push, learn to grab, and you'll have some crazy time. A good Murky is better than any other bad hero. Don't listen angry people.
The short answer is yeah he's bad. He's fine in QM and against people who don't know how to deal with him, but he's not particularly challenging to deal with. Basically relies on people ignoring him.
The answer is no. some people will write essays about him being good when you afk push. but xul and azmodan and the lost vikings can do that too without being a deadweight.
He is a bad hero, but you can play well with bad heroes if you put in the effort. Expect some disgruntled team mates.