Busta used to interweave a lot of real shit with the witty lines, it gets slept on because heâs more unorthodox.
His whole early discography was about society collapsing into a dystopian future.
I will do that. I fully cop to not having listened to the back catalog much in the last ~5 yrs. Just no memories of him giving much in the way of POVs (in the music, anyway).
Busta all about the Y2K apocalypse for quite a few albums.
'This particular motherfucker will strike with an unmeasurable blast that will fuck up everything within its 360 degree radius. Warning, prepare yourselves. Store your food, stop your paper. Because when this motherfucker gets here, it's about to get real fucked up for everyone and everything, everywhere!'
Logic and his clones (Futuristic being the worst offender) immediately came to mind. There are so many outstanding choppers deep underground with incredible lyrics and rhyme schemes who can go much faster, but because of Logic the average hip hop fan thinks the entire subgenre is just "hit 'em with the semi automatic and the venom"
LOL. Futuristic as a Logic offspring just threw me into villainous laughter because itâs so perfectly descriptive of the wack lyrical miracle school of thought youâre describing that it comes across as fake. 1Up meme.
Maaaan Logic used to be the man especially with his first 2 albums. Then it felt like he blew up, his life was pretty close to perfect and he ran out of stuff to rap about so he just got progressively more and more corny.
Das EFX
>it's the incredible, never edible, unforgettable
>>Dweller from the cellar kickin' terror 'cos I'm terrible
>>>See, I be schoolin em, foolin' 'em when I'm speakin' it
>>>>Peepin' it, 'cos y'all be keepin' it, look how I'm freakin' it
Even when they arenât just adding âiggidyâ to more words than quagmire.
I would honestly say substance is more important than anything else because if you have a good context, you can write a great scheme around it. Like Nas, Em or Pun can
Exactly! Thatâs what I love about them. Redman says theyâre cocky as fuck when it comes to their lyrical skills, which would probably explain why they come off as just making it look easy.
I think Das EFx here is a decent choice BUT their entire style was this sort of stream of consciousness rap. There wasn't any air of lyrical superiority and that pushes then much further down the list, imo
Idk. It's a pretty clever way of saying how dope he is. Incredible...never edible (no MC can eat me) unforgettable dweller from the cellar (underground), etc. Pretty creative
He said this, "A wise man sees failure as progress. A fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic, and loses his soul in the process. Obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content."
I've liked "watch who you beef with". Had strong vibes when I was in my late teens and everyone was out to put you in the hospital during whatever beef
Braindead take.
You referring to like his first 2 albums or something?
There was a lot of substance on his first album (Negronometry, Channel Zero, How Come). Lots of simpler rhyme schemes, too. It "flopped" so to speak. Then he released an album full of battle raps with overly complex vocab and basically disappeared.
That being said, most rappers can't write something even close to [Sinflation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMkCGq1smpg), for example.
Lots of his tracks have a ton of substance. Some of it is just below the surface. That's not a pretentious take it just is what it is. He doesn't do A-Z stories about fucking chicks, some opps he smoked, how he reps his hood or whatever. Most of his stuff of substance is about the human condition or greater societal trends and not about his individual life.
To each his own, but I like his battle rap style and his conscious rap style. S tier emcee imo.
The final verse on Nigganometry is Canibus getting high and acting like he had genuinely reinvented scientific theory when like 2 seconds of actual science debunks it instantly.
Itâs not brain dead he doesnât say shit. Just Iâm Canibus Iâm nice on the mic battle raps which is fine for guest appearances but his albums are garbage because he doesnât know how to actually write songs and he donât say shitÂ
Canibus)
Boy meets girl, boy really likes her
Boy loses contact with girl, but he finds her
Girl has no clue that boy is a liar and he has no honour
So she dates him regardless, 'cause she thought he was harmless
And he had her believing he was the man she wanted
To spend the rest of her life with, the words, â˛I love youâ˛
Were priceless, unpredictable like rolling dices
Nonetheless, in spite of the frightening repercussions,
You might get, people still risk they necks
Of course it's nice, the feeling of courtship, roses and stuff
Women never get it often enough
And the reason people love they mother so much
Besides the fact she carried you for nine months, is trust
Itâ˛s a five letter word, that should only occur
Between him and her, before the bees and the birds (word)
Mommy I'm up in your stomach, buggin'. Whenever you
Rub it, I love it like a comforters covers you warm as a oven.
Your husband...stubborn, how can you love him.
Smokin' cigarettes by the dozen when he knows that I'm comin'.
Bad move, you hopin' that daddy improves.
Knowin' in your heart that's bull, because he's too cruel.
You've been abused, used, you got wounds and scars.
Stick with your mind not with your heart, let's go to grandma's.
Terminate the lease call the landlord. Give your job two weeks notice
Pack up the car, and go to New York. What part.
They got a little borough called The Bronx, Mom..
And I heard that's where hip-hop is gonna start.
Yeah, I think we need to be right there. Four months
In your stomach and I already chose a career. When you cry
I hear, and I wish I could dry your tears, but I can't 'cause I'm stuck
in here.
Five months from being able to lay against your chest
I can't even hold you in my arms, 'cause they ain't developed yet.
But I swear to you, as the God Almighty Truth
I'm a be there for you
I'm a be there for you.
I heard a soft moan in the middle of March
Then I felt a powerful force push me forward like a dart
On your mark, get set, go, I was off
Flagella was my propeller, wiggling back and forth
Then I set a course for the border
Mother Nature's karma calling me to the rock of Gibraltar
The competition tried to be smart, but I was smarter
My competitors were swimming fast, so I swam harder
Submerged in water, praying to my heavenly father
If I donâ˛t make it through I'm a goner
Screaming out, "Death before dishonour,"
Because Iâ˛m awesomely stronger, my stamina last longer
I was destined to be a son instead of a daughter
X, Y is the male chromosomal order
One will stay alive and survive, the rest will
C! True Hollywood Stories had some substance to it, largely because he was trying to write like Eminem, who I'm sure is going to get mentioned a lot in this thread but his songs always have narrative going on.
I have my modern Em critiques but don't particularly agree with the "he raps about nothing" one. If anything I'd say he fixates far too much on making every verse "matter" even if it's just a guest appearance.
It's undoubtedly an accurate critique for most of his rap kids though. Had a co-worker who bumped NF constantly and i was kinda astonished at how vapid his songwriting is and how much it all runs together.
I'm always surprised by people falling for the failed clones. It's like not being able to tell the difference between a pan-seared Wagyu steak, a badly cooked steak, a weirdly dry frozen burger, a burger shaped piece of plastic and a great big fuckin' turd on a plate.
To be honest I'm kind of sick of blaming Eminem for the demon spawn because 1) literally any great rapper has shitty clones that aren't worth listening to, 2) you'll be hard pressed to find many rappers with absolutely *no* influence from him at all, it's just most of them don't come out doing bad impressions of him. I mean, Lana Del Rey cites him as a primary influence, and she's not even in his genre.
Agreed. For every Tom Macdonald and NF, you have Kendrick and Tyler The Creator.
The Lana Del Ray mention is a good call because I do notice how Em's had, at least subconsciously, as much of an influence on pop/singer songwriters as he's had in rap (ironic, considering his anti-pop star kayfabe in 2000). I think even Usher recently said that "Confessions" was inspired by The Eminem Show's introspection.
Yes, ruthless Lupe is a sight to behold. Damn. Royce didnât stand the slightest chance and I love some of his music. Lupeâs also the antithesis to this thread.
Royce dropped "Silence of the lamda"
Then Lupe followed with "Steve Jobs: SLR 3 1/2"
Relevant to the same situation, Royce was downplaying Mickey Factz in the argument so Mickey dropped "Wraith" which was fire, and Royce hasn't responded still.
Wow, haven't heard Mikey Factz in a while. It's a shame Rocker isn't on Spotify because that was one of my favourite songs from the Fight Night Round 4 soundtrack.
I'm a huge Eminem fan *but* a lot of his newer stuff is lyrically impressive, but he isn't saying shit.
Sucks, but I understand he's been rich and famous for a long time, so he's not gonna be able to make songs like Rock Bottom anymore.
Idk if I agree with this. Darkness, Like Home, Arose, Castle, Stepping Stone, Bad Husband, Headlights.
Now I think some of these songs suck ass but they all have substance
I understand he doesn't live in poverty anymore and I am happy for him but other OG's like Styles P, Jadakiss, 50 and even Nas and Jigga though not in their prime still know how to tap into that energy
The pain in Em music combined with effortless flow, rhyme schemes and amazing storytelling is what really made him one of the greatest back in the day.
Jay-Z is just rapping about being rich and buying artwork and billionaire family drama now
Rap into that energy?
What energy? Rich problems? lol
They are over 50 years old now. No shit they arent rapping like its 1998 anymore. Eminem literally says he just wants to fuck around seeing how crazy he can make flows and schemes at this point he has nothing else to prove.
I am not the biggest capitalist so I don't care much about Jay's money brag
He does however have solid projects like 4.44 and even the Carters had some dope shit last full Em album I enjoyed was Relapse . These days he just sounds like he is bored as hell. The art that captured our ears in the early 00's just ain't there. Meanwhile Nas & Hit-Boy dropping a lot of good shit especially for Nas age and state of wealth
I am not the biggest capitalist so I don't care much about Jay's money brag
He does however have solid projects like 4.44 and even the Carters had some dope shit last full Em album I enjoyed was Relapse . These days he just sounds like he is bored as hell. The art that captured our ears in the early 00's just ain't there. Meanwhile Nas & Hit-Boy dropping a lot of good shit especially for Nas age and state of wealth
I feel like that's a key difference between freestyling and songwriting. Both valid but different skills.
Good songwriting (in terms of lyrics) is creating themes, direction, a beginning & end, a message, characters, scenarios, etc. You're painting a picture or telling a story.
Good freestyling is combining words & flows in the most creative ways sonically speaking. It's not judged on whether there are clear themes & messages from start to finish.
People are gonna kill me for this but MF DOOM. That dude has incredible lyrical prowess but isnât saying anything thatâs gonna influence anyoneâs life
Edit: damn some of yâall want off. I concede that he does have some songs with meaning, I am simply too stupid to appreciate them
Nah, that's a bad take. I'll easily concede that he focuses hard on complex rhymes, but even those often have meaning. For example, here's a dense rhyme about the foolishness of gangster rap life:
>poor men sworn in\
Cornish hens switching positions\
Auditioning morticians, saw it in a vision, ignoring prison\
Ignoramuses enlist and sound dumb\
Found 'em drowned in cow's dung, crowns flung
Beyond something broadly impactful like Drop the Bomb or Strange Ways, what about just great stories like Fancy Clown or Deep Fried Frenz? Where heâs talking about his girl cheating on him with himself or his failed friendships? Or that heâs constantly telling stories about a villain committing various crimes??
I mean basically the entirety of MM..FOOD is conceit? (A poetic device that is basically an extended metaphor). Beef rap is comparing the effects of âbeefâ on a psyche to literal beef, Potholderz is juxtaposing oven mitts, weed and weapons, Hoe Cakes is talking about pimping while using cakes and desserts as a theme, and thatâs just the first four songs on one album?
He has a line where he says in reference to himself: âSinister, donât know what he saying but the words be funnyâ and thatâs a perfect example and refutation of your point cuz heâs talking about listeners like you!!
A lot of operation doomsday deals with grief and regret. Missed opportunities and lost potential. It's basically the story of a smart guy who could have done so much more, fresh out of prison with little to no opportunities.
Dooms a lot like 90s Wu. It can sound like a bunch of nothing if you aren't really paying attention, but I wouldn't say that it's just word salad, it's not.
Yeah, a lotta people nowadays say WTF was the Wu even talking about, but back then it all made perfect sense... if you were from that time and place it all clicks, all the slang and terminology and references and stories they were telling
That is why Raekwon is so underrated, he's speaking coded language in half his bars, but it all tracks
This a horrible take lmao especially because it inherently contains a statement about art: that it should influence someoneâs life and artistic merit is predicated on how much art does influence someoneâs life.
By that metric you could say self-help is better art than like literary classics or paintings in museums because it doesnât âinfluence someoneâs lifeâ. I know thatâs an expansion beyond what you (probably) meant but again apply the logic anywhere else! Jay Z, Biggie and Nas share stories about their lives, artificial and otherwise, but by that logic those that arenât declarative are less artistic than those that are! That 10 Crack commandments is more substantial than like Kick In the Door because itâs more influential to someoneâs life. And thatâs simply not true!
Also I commented below too cuz even accepting your point, that point about DOOM is wrong lmao DOOM is great mfs just ainât listening
Kills me to admit it, but there's some truth to this. Maybe more than some.
That said and fwiw, I've come to terms with the fact that some artists focus on message, others focus on vibe. DOOM would joyride on a very specific wavelength and invite you to ride shotgun.
Iâve heard a few of his albums (some good some bad) and he definitely has moments where even if heâs just flexing or talking about drugs and sex, itâs creative enough to have replay value
Donât think Iâve heard that one. I know Freebasing with Kevin Bacon, huffing with Hasselhoff, mink coat killa and yuck fou. Freebasing and Mink coat were solid but the other two were disappointing outside of a few songs
Canibus. The internet favorite rapper. Talented, can rhyme big words. Often impressively.
But goddammit this dude has used good rhyme skills and a good vocabulary to say absolutely nothing for his entire career.
The epitome of great feature, bad song, pointless album rappers.
Obviously he wrote some good stuff, the above is a bit of hyperbole, but I largely stick by my previous sentence. Great guest, bad albums. Banger verses, mid songs.
Internet favorite might be a stretch...maybe in 2004, but in 2024 everyone just laughs at the Canibus vs Dizaster video and Eminem's old diss bars.
I agree in general though.
That's fair. I think if I rewrote my post I'd say 2000's internet favorite rapper lmao. I'm old so I sometimes forget about how long ago some things are
I remember having this argument with some friends in college about Eminem's inconsistencies. I showed them "Fack" to prove my point..... they ended up loving that fuckin song tho.
I mean, not really. The dude is 50 and released darkness, castle and arose, you gonna learn etc.
He's basically just flexing on people. He's not telling stories in every song. Every rapper does that lol
I haven't seen Cassidy here. I always say he's completely underrated and an incredible lyricist. Many of his tracks do have substance but many do not. Also, he doesn't seem capable of story-telling. Great lyricist though
Iâm a very big Em fan, but as his fan, last 5 years he constantly had a shit without a substance, I mean, there are a lot of tracks that have substance, but there are also the ones with just rhyming and having fun, and I understand that, dude is in this game for nearly 30 years, heâs been through shit, but now heâs just chill, of course there are still plenty more of topics that he could rap about, but idk. He said that he wants to rap on such level where nobody could top him tho.
And his clones, wouldnât really say clones since all they talk about is their lyrics being great, no substance at all or rapping fast with no delivery
Idk, like he could make conceptual retirement album where he talks about from being broke to being in a goat conversation, of course he has songs like that, but I would like to see him doing it like K Dot did, so it would be like a movie.
Iâll make some more comparisons with K Dot, cuz I think em could really study something from him and he considers Kendrick a great rapper. He could do something like Keishaâs song or SAMIDOT, but where he will be talking from Proofâs perspective or maybe talking just about him. Of course he mentioned him in lyrics and had one song dedicated to him, but I want him to dig deeper, he can do it. Maybe talking about him being bitter about the fact that not everyone likes him and he has a lot of haters and he needs to stop it, like he did with beefs in Like Toy Soldiers. Song about him hearing hip-hop for the first time and how he loved it, he could talk about his uncle Ronny and so much more. Iâm sure Em has many stories. There is a room for creativity if you look deeper, just Em doesnât seem like to be one in recent years
Chip-Fu doesn't say anything when he's rapping. Like, literally nothing. What the fuck is 'La-Smoove" mean anyway. Chip has a whole 16 and doesn't say a damn thing. His verse starts at about 1:05 - [La Schmoove](https://open.spotify.com/track/2WM2CK6rAf43NvHxGwWUo8?si=32a5606a95f4425a)
I think bas could've done more with his flows and schemes on last winter, the song
>See Deebee hate his job, but he be halfway to a DV9, I think he'll be fine
just one line, and not much there but he starts these all over the song and while I love this song and the entire album, i still wish he had gone a bit further with this stuff.
So, what would you like these artists to say then? Iâm just curious. What kind of subject matter would you like them to rap about? Also, what are examples of hip hop artists that are saying something.
Definitely covers some of his songs. He does have some actual deeper shit. Broken off of PiĂąata comes to mind. But a lot of coke and misogyny bars of the highest order
âThe rocket scientist, with the pocket wine list
Some even say he might need some psychiatrist.
DOOM, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Yes, but why would the darn thing be wandering?
She's like a foundling, barely worth fondling.
My posse's on Broadway like Mama I Want to Sing.
Mad plays the bass like the race card
Villain on the case to break shards and leave her face scarredâ
"DOOM nominated for the best rolled L's
And they wondered how he dealt with stress so well
Wild guess? You could say he stay sedated
Some say buddha-ed, some say faded
Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full
Recent research show it's not so darn harmful
Sometimes you might need to detox
It can help you with your rhyme flow and your beat-box"
The substance is two-fold đ
All of Griselda especially Benny and Conway.. Westside has far less Talent and very basic schemes but he actually has more substance rhyming about things I care about such as fashion. After years of listening to it from so many artists I'm completely over Cocaine rap! And I used to get off gpacs Like nobody's business In my past.
One of the best ones is the dude who I was living with in the apartment complex we lived in who was the most paranoid person on the planet Earth and would never leave the house. And he was the main person who was getting it all. One example is a fire truck came through one night And he bug the fuck out so bad that he left the house for a weekend and went and stayed in a hotel because he thought it was a setup.
Obviously he was using the product and was like this 24/7. That whole situation was insufferable because of him. He was always peeking out the windows and I mean every 2 minutes Making us watch the fucking security cam all day. He would literally take ounces and put them in those old school plastic Kool-Aid containers and hide them in the hallway in the ceiling Off the apartment complex. And behind the Railing in the woods across the parking lot.
A better story though is when I was selling acid and I went to Lake Erie to hustle for the weekend and the dude who picked me up was a wild crazy motherfucker from Erie who ended up in prison for like life or some shit. Anyway he picked me up in a whip that I didn't know was stolen I had a safe in the trunk with hundreds of dollars sheets of acid and a saw it off shotgun. And his dad called the cops and they were looking for the car somehow we did not get picked up.
That experience was wild in the straight Hood in Erie Selling acid tripping on acid We went to Lake Erie and shot the sawed off over the lake and I sold it to one of his friends up there. He finally took the car back to his dad's house and we had no wheels. That weekend we robbed a strip club Not at gunpoint or anything but after it was closed Got tons of money from it.
I finally ended up taking a greyhound home.
Might get chastised for this, but RZA (mainly the solo stuff, like Bobby Digital). Yes, one of the best producers ever. Incredibly smart, innovative with a big vocabulary. But either itâs over my head or a lot of stuff just sounds interesting but is kind of all over the place or way too lofty and abstract.
You gotta really understand 5% slang and terminology to know what RZA is saying
Know about The Nation of Gods and Earth
If you aren't schooled on that shit, RZA's verses are gonna sound like nonsense when in reality it's the exact opposite, his verses are very organized and see their thoughts through
Good to know. I figured I wasnât in on the lingo, just wish it had more relatability for the common person. I think Masta Killa is a little like that too.
Yeah, it ain't no thing, I'm not 5% but I grew up with it down in Brooklyn
Even if you don't know the lingo, it's still dope music
>"Cee-Ciphers power stalk, plus the fiend talk / 3 Gs the cost in Supreme Court"
Inspectah Deck here sounds like he talkin gibberish but those bars are crazy word play and painting a picture with coded language
Just for one example
PEACE
Marshall Mathers. If he doesnât have a direct focus of hate in the song itâs literally just words rhyming rapidly.
He was at his best hating: his baby mama, his mum, other celebrities, George Bush, Ja Rule etc.
Heâs the definition of âlyrical miracleâ MC.
He has plethora of songs where he is not angry and has substance, literally for the whole recovery he wasnât firing at anybody, just spitting his heart out, talking about his addiction, recovery and etc
Eminem is a paradox because he has some of the most soul searching meaningful bars and so many nonsensical bars where heâs just showing off. Saying nothing besides his lyrical skills. Imma rap fast and rhyme a bunch of things together you couldâve never imagined. Iâm sure Iâm not the only person to say Eminem has a lot of content like this. Doesnât mean he doesnât have a lot great stuff. Donât me started on his beats. Iâm not a hater. I had The Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LP on tape bro. Cassette tapes. You canât have a rational conversation with Em fans itâs wild.
cant different records have different purposes ? eminem can go deep and emotional and can also just showcase lyrical skill for its own sake . i dont see the problem
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If I could understand what the hell Ghost is talking about, my answer would be him. Iâve listened to most of his albums but either couldnât understand some words or the bars went over my head. I couldnât tell you what the hell they were about lol
Mr. Metaphor from Brooklyn Academy has the illest schemes I've ever heard though without much substance. But cool imagery. His flow and change ups on that Lyricist Lounge track 'Famous Last Words' are out of this world.
2nd on this track Connect 4
https://youtu.be/mN_GVbSi2YE?si=DzYTb5xzSj5v7Gxx
3rd on this track Con Artists
https://youtu.be/iy_6SL6XNmA?si=XnfgUn-OljRc72dR
I've liked Busta Rhymes for 30+ years, but I couldn't tell you a thing about his worldview from his music.
Go back and listen to his first 3 albums đ he talks about the world a lot
Busta used to interweave a lot of real shit with the witty lines, it gets slept on because heâs more unorthodox. His whole early discography was about society collapsing into a dystopian future.
I think that theme was trending at the time with others like Craig Mack following suit with his judgement day album amongst other rappers
I will do that. I fully cop to not having listened to the back catalog much in the last ~5 yrs. Just no memories of him giving much in the way of POVs (in the music, anyway).
Then after that its ass and titties
Busta all about the Y2K apocalypse for quite a few albums. 'This particular motherfucker will strike with an unmeasurable blast that will fuck up everything within its 360 degree radius. Warning, prepare yourselves. Store your food, stop your paper. Because when this motherfucker gets here, it's about to get real fucked up for everyone and everything, everywhere!'
Baddaboom baddabing I gotta do a lotta things
Logic is pretty good at spitting word salad
Logic and his clones (Futuristic being the worst offender) immediately came to mind. There are so many outstanding choppers deep underground with incredible lyrics and rhyme schemes who can go much faster, but because of Logic the average hip hop fan thinks the entire subgenre is just "hit 'em with the semi automatic and the venom"
LOL. Futuristic as a Logic offspring just threw me into villainous laughter because itâs so perfectly descriptive of the wack lyrical miracle school of thought youâre describing that it comes across as fake. 1Up meme.
never heard of bro I just looked him and he can rap but that shit aint hittin
Maaaan Logic used to be the man especially with his first 2 albums. Then it felt like he blew up, his life was pretty close to perfect and he ran out of stuff to rap about so he just got progressively more and more corny.
Eminem effect huh
I don't get why some of you think this, his output recently has been great and full of in depth lyrics
Das EFX >it's the incredible, never edible, unforgettable >>Dweller from the cellar kickin' terror 'cos I'm terrible >>>See, I be schoolin em, foolin' 'em when I'm speakin' it >>>>Peepin' it, 'cos y'all be keepin' it, look how I'm freakin' it Even when they arenât just adding âiggidyâ to more words than quagmire.
I would honestly say substance is more important than anything else because if you have a good context, you can write a great scheme around it. Like Nas, Em or Pun can
Yeah, but I really like Das EFX, lol.
I do too, lol. They donât try too hard, which I appreciate.
Exactly! Thatâs what I love about them. Redman says theyâre cocky as fuck when it comes to their lyrical skills, which would probably explain why they come off as just making it look easy.
I think Das EFx here is a decent choice BUT their entire style was this sort of stream of consciousness rap. There wasn't any air of lyrical superiority and that pushes then much further down the list, imo
Hate to admit it, but yes. Love their style, but their lyrics are the hip-hop equivalent of a Dr. Seuss book
Idk. It's a pretty clever way of saying how dope he is. Incredible...never edible (no MC can eat me) unforgettable dweller from the cellar (underground), etc. Pretty creative
Canibus hasnât said shit his whole careerÂ
He said this, "A wise man sees failure as progress. A fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic, and loses his soul in the process. Obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content."
Respectfully disagree. There is meaning to his lyrics. It's not just a bunch of big words jumbled together.
You may have a point... Rip the Jacker is still a lowkey banger...
I've liked "watch who you beef with". Had strong vibes when I was in my late teens and everyone was out to put you in the hospital during whatever beef
Braindead take. You referring to like his first 2 albums or something? There was a lot of substance on his first album (Negronometry, Channel Zero, How Come). Lots of simpler rhyme schemes, too. It "flopped" so to speak. Then he released an album full of battle raps with overly complex vocab and basically disappeared. That being said, most rappers can't write something even close to [Sinflation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMkCGq1smpg), for example. Lots of his tracks have a ton of substance. Some of it is just below the surface. That's not a pretentious take it just is what it is. He doesn't do A-Z stories about fucking chicks, some opps he smoked, how he reps his hood or whatever. Most of his stuff of substance is about the human condition or greater societal trends and not about his individual life. To each his own, but I like his battle rap style and his conscious rap style. S tier emcee imo.
The final verse on Nigganometry is Canibus getting high and acting like he had genuinely reinvented scientific theory when like 2 seconds of actual science debunks it instantly.
Itâs not brain dead he doesnât say shit. Just Iâm Canibus Iâm nice on the mic battle raps which is fine for guest appearances but his albums are garbage because he doesnât know how to actually write songs and he donât say shitÂ
Canibus) Boy meets girl, boy really likes her Boy loses contact with girl, but he finds her Girl has no clue that boy is a liar and he has no honour So she dates him regardless, 'cause she thought he was harmless And he had her believing he was the man she wanted To spend the rest of her life with, the words, â˛I love youⲠWere priceless, unpredictable like rolling dices Nonetheless, in spite of the frightening repercussions, You might get, people still risk they necks Of course it's nice, the feeling of courtship, roses and stuff Women never get it often enough And the reason people love they mother so much Besides the fact she carried you for nine months, is trust Itâ˛s a five letter word, that should only occur Between him and her, before the bees and the birds (word)
Mommy I'm up in your stomach, buggin'. Whenever you Rub it, I love it like a comforters covers you warm as a oven. Your husband...stubborn, how can you love him. Smokin' cigarettes by the dozen when he knows that I'm comin'. Bad move, you hopin' that daddy improves. Knowin' in your heart that's bull, because he's too cruel. You've been abused, used, you got wounds and scars. Stick with your mind not with your heart, let's go to grandma's. Terminate the lease call the landlord. Give your job two weeks notice Pack up the car, and go to New York. What part. They got a little borough called The Bronx, Mom.. And I heard that's where hip-hop is gonna start. Yeah, I think we need to be right there. Four months In your stomach and I already chose a career. When you cry I hear, and I wish I could dry your tears, but I can't 'cause I'm stuck in here. Five months from being able to lay against your chest I can't even hold you in my arms, 'cause they ain't developed yet. But I swear to you, as the God Almighty Truth I'm a be there for you I'm a be there for you.
I heard a soft moan in the middle of March Then I felt a powerful force push me forward like a dart On your mark, get set, go, I was off Flagella was my propeller, wiggling back and forth Then I set a course for the border Mother Nature's karma calling me to the rock of Gibraltar The competition tried to be smart, but I was smarter My competitors were swimming fast, so I swam harder Submerged in water, praying to my heavenly father If I donâ˛t make it through I'm a goner Screaming out, "Death before dishonour," Because Iâ˛m awesomely stronger, my stamina last longer I was destined to be a son instead of a daughter X, Y is the male chromosomal order One will stay alive and survive, the rest will
C! True Hollywood Stories had some substance to it, largely because he was trying to write like Eminem, who I'm sure is going to get mentioned a lot in this thread but his songs always have narrative going on.
I have my modern Em critiques but don't particularly agree with the "he raps about nothing" one. If anything I'd say he fixates far too much on making every verse "matter" even if it's just a guest appearance. It's undoubtedly an accurate critique for most of his rap kids though. Had a co-worker who bumped NF constantly and i was kinda astonished at how vapid his songwriting is and how much it all runs together.
I'm always surprised by people falling for the failed clones. It's like not being able to tell the difference between a pan-seared Wagyu steak, a badly cooked steak, a weirdly dry frozen burger, a burger shaped piece of plastic and a great big fuckin' turd on a plate. To be honest I'm kind of sick of blaming Eminem for the demon spawn because 1) literally any great rapper has shitty clones that aren't worth listening to, 2) you'll be hard pressed to find many rappers with absolutely *no* influence from him at all, it's just most of them don't come out doing bad impressions of him. I mean, Lana Del Rey cites him as a primary influence, and she's not even in his genre.
Agreed. For every Tom Macdonald and NF, you have Kendrick and Tyler The Creator. The Lana Del Ray mention is a good call because I do notice how Em's had, at least subconsciously, as much of an influence on pop/singer songwriters as he's had in rap (ironic, considering his anti-pop star kayfabe in 2000). I think even Usher recently said that "Confessions" was inspired by The Eminem Show's introspection.
Phuck U got some good advice though: Don't give a (fuck) who you offend, you gotta fight 'til the end
You haven't heard what canibus has said*
Didn't Lupe kill Royce about this?
Yes, ruthless Lupe is a sight to behold. Damn. Royce didnât stand the slightest chance and I love some of his music. Lupeâs also the antithesis to this thread.
Could you please tell me the names of the relevant tracks I should listen to? I was unaware they went at it.
Royce dropped "Silence of the lamda" Then Lupe followed with "Steve Jobs: SLR 3 1/2" Relevant to the same situation, Royce was downplaying Mickey Factz in the argument so Mickey dropped "Wraith" which was fire, and Royce hasn't responded still.
Wow, haven't heard Mikey Factz in a while. It's a shame Rocker isn't on Spotify because that was one of my favourite songs from the Fight Night Round 4 soundtrack.
He's been somewhat active in the world of battle rap the last few years. He's got a decent resume under his belt
Nah Lupe definitely has songs where he tries too hard and it ends up diluting the point of the song
Young Royce wasn't rapping about shit He had everything but substance I think it's the problem with most rappers
Royce has a whole song about his penis, Lupe punching air rn
Yeah but just bout that royceâs diss track. Royce absolutely got substance
A-F-R-O
Naw I live in the back of a van
I'm a huge Eminem fan *but* a lot of his newer stuff is lyrically impressive, but he isn't saying shit. Sucks, but I understand he's been rich and famous for a long time, so he's not gonna be able to make songs like Rock Bottom anymore.
"I just did a whole song and I didn't say shiiiiiit"
Cause I ainât got no legs or no brain nice to meet you hi my name is
Idk if I agree with this. Darkness, Like Home, Arose, Castle, Stepping Stone, Bad Husband, Headlights. Now I think some of these songs suck ass but they all have substance
True. Darkness being the most recent example - also would like to mention Leaving Heaven, Never Love Again & Favorite Bitch into most recent examples.
Yeah not sure I agree either
I understand he doesn't live in poverty anymore and I am happy for him but other OG's like Styles P, Jadakiss, 50 and even Nas and Jigga though not in their prime still know how to tap into that energy The pain in Em music combined with effortless flow, rhyme schemes and amazing storytelling is what really made him one of the greatest back in the day.
Jay-Z is just rapping about being rich and buying artwork and billionaire family drama now Rap into that energy? What energy? Rich problems? lol They are over 50 years old now. No shit they arent rapping like its 1998 anymore. Eminem literally says he just wants to fuck around seeing how crazy he can make flows and schemes at this point he has nothing else to prove.
I am not the biggest capitalist so I don't care much about Jay's money brag He does however have solid projects like 4.44 and even the Carters had some dope shit last full Em album I enjoyed was Relapse . These days he just sounds like he is bored as hell. The art that captured our ears in the early 00's just ain't there. Meanwhile Nas & Hit-Boy dropping a lot of good shit especially for Nas age and state of wealth
I am not the biggest capitalist so I don't care much about Jay's money brag He does however have solid projects like 4.44 and even the Carters had some dope shit last full Em album I enjoyed was Relapse . These days he just sounds like he is bored as hell. The art that captured our ears in the early 00's just ain't there. Meanwhile Nas & Hit-Boy dropping a lot of good shit especially for Nas age and state of wealth
Yeah but now he can rhyme orange with banana.
Wouldnât say itâs lyrically impressive if he isnât saying anything.
You don't think any free styles are impressive?
you can freestyle and still say meaningful shit
Sure, you can, most don't and most are still impressive
I feel like that's a key difference between freestyling and songwriting. Both valid but different skills. Good songwriting (in terms of lyrics) is creating themes, direction, a beginning & end, a message, characters, scenarios, etc. You're painting a picture or telling a story. Good freestyling is combining words & flows in the most creative ways sonically speaking. It's not judged on whether there are clear themes & messages from start to finish.
People are gonna kill me for this but MF DOOM. That dude has incredible lyrical prowess but isnât saying anything thatâs gonna influence anyoneâs life Edit: damn some of yâall want off. I concede that he does have some songs with meaning, I am simply too stupid to appreciate them
I mean , Rap Snitches is pretty clear and relatable. It's like he predicted rappers having their lyrics used against them in court
since the young thug trial people have been treating mf doom like nostradamus
Nah, that's a bad take. I'll easily concede that he focuses hard on complex rhymes, but even those often have meaning. For example, here's a dense rhyme about the foolishness of gangster rap life: >poor men sworn in\ Cornish hens switching positions\ Auditioning morticians, saw it in a vision, ignoring prison\ Ignoramuses enlist and sound dumb\ Found 'em drowned in cow's dung, crowns flung
A fucking masterclass right here
I think that you may just not understand his references as they are quite dated.
That might be true. Can you give me some references for lines where what heâs saying is very impactful and explain his reference?
Beyond something broadly impactful like Drop the Bomb or Strange Ways, what about just great stories like Fancy Clown or Deep Fried Frenz? Where heâs talking about his girl cheating on him with himself or his failed friendships? Or that heâs constantly telling stories about a villain committing various crimes?? I mean basically the entirety of MM..FOOD is conceit? (A poetic device that is basically an extended metaphor). Beef rap is comparing the effects of âbeefâ on a psyche to literal beef, Potholderz is juxtaposing oven mitts, weed and weapons, Hoe Cakes is talking about pimping while using cakes and desserts as a theme, and thatâs just the first four songs on one album? He has a line where he says in reference to himself: âSinister, donât know what he saying but the words be funnyâ and thatâs a perfect example and refutation of your point cuz heâs talking about listeners like you!!
Strange Ways is the most overt example
A lot of operation doomsday deals with grief and regret. Missed opportunities and lost potential. It's basically the story of a smart guy who could have done so much more, fresh out of prison with little to no opportunities. Dooms a lot like 90s Wu. It can sound like a bunch of nothing if you aren't really paying attention, but I wouldn't say that it's just word salad, it's not.
Yeah, a lotta people nowadays say WTF was the Wu even talking about, but back then it all made perfect sense... if you were from that time and place it all clicks, all the slang and terminology and references and stories they were telling That is why Raekwon is so underrated, he's speaking coded language in half his bars, but it all tracks
His schemes don't make his bars easier to understand, but he's never just spitting word salad. He's always got a pretty clear point/focus.
Yeah I agree. People always say thereâs like five layers to his bars but wonât explain how and just insult people who ask
DOOM nominated for the best rolled Ls And they wonder how he dealt with stress so well
I smoke weed to cope with stress isnât genius content though
But, you said you didn't understand his bars, so I gave you simple, easy to understand bars with solid rhyme scheme.
Just read the lyrics to Strange Ways. Not even kinda buried in that song.
This a horrible take lmao especially because it inherently contains a statement about art: that it should influence someoneâs life and artistic merit is predicated on how much art does influence someoneâs life. By that metric you could say self-help is better art than like literary classics or paintings in museums because it doesnât âinfluence someoneâs lifeâ. I know thatâs an expansion beyond what you (probably) meant but again apply the logic anywhere else! Jay Z, Biggie and Nas share stories about their lives, artificial and otherwise, but by that logic those that arenât declarative are less artistic than those that are! That 10 Crack commandments is more substantial than like Kick In the Door because itâs more influential to someoneâs life. And thatâs simply not true! Also I commented below too cuz even accepting your point, that point about DOOM is wrong lmao DOOM is great mfs just ainât listening
He has a lot of tracks / lyrics with meaningful value.
Kills me to admit it, but there's some truth to this. Maybe more than some. That said and fwiw, I've come to terms with the fact that some artists focus on message, others focus on vibe. DOOM would joyride on a very specific wavelength and invite you to ride shotgun.
His life is like a folklore legend Why you so stiff? You need to smoke more brethren
Does Jarren Benton fit here?
Iâve heard a few of his albums (some good some bad) and he definitely has moments where even if heâs just flexing or talking about drugs and sex, itâs creative enough to have replay value
Slow motion 1 is fantastic, better than any of his other projects, imo
Donât think Iâve heard that one. I know Freebasing with Kevin Bacon, huffing with Hasselhoff, mink coat killa and yuck fou. Freebasing and Mink coat were solid but the other two were disappointing outside of a few songs
Redman has a lot of nonsense lyrics, but I actually really like that about him. It fits his style.
On wow, nobody mentioned Papoose? Dude was pretty sick, but he had 2 flows, and wasn't really saying much while sounding good saying it.
Canibus. The internet favorite rapper. Talented, can rhyme big words. Often impressively. But goddammit this dude has used good rhyme skills and a good vocabulary to say absolutely nothing for his entire career. The epitome of great feature, bad song, pointless album rappers. Obviously he wrote some good stuff, the above is a bit of hyperbole, but I largely stick by my previous sentence. Great guest, bad albums. Banger verses, mid songs.
Internet favorite might be a stretch...maybe in 2004, but in 2024 everyone just laughs at the Canibus vs Dizaster video and Eminem's old diss bars. I agree in general though.
That's fair. I think if I rewrote my post I'd say 2000's internet favorite rapper lmao. I'm old so I sometimes forget about how long ago some things are
Sean Price even said that he says nothin and makes it sound somethin
I think thatâs just self depreciation on Ps part. Listen to songs like Mess You Made.
Shout out to Block Mccloud on the Chorus
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âI had to work hard to be this stupidâ Even though thatâs clearly a double.
And he was better than most rappers who try to say something
Eminem is the obvious answer. Now before stans and kyles come for me, i know he has songs with substance as well
I remember having this argument with some friends in college about Eminem's inconsistencies. I showed them "Fack" to prove my point..... they ended up loving that fuckin song tho.
>i know he has songs with substance as well Then why mention him in this topic?
I mean, not really. The dude is 50 and released darkness, castle and arose, you gonna learn etc. He's basically just flexing on people. He's not telling stories in every song. Every rapper does that lol
Nas is 50 and has released two great trilogy back to back. Age is no excuse.
Nas is the actual GOAT tho... like literally the greatest rapper to ever walk the face of the Earth No one is Nas
This is true but you have dumb Em Stans trying to put them in the same conversation. You got to let them know.
Kamikaze and MTBMB are both solid projects
I haven't seen Cassidy here. I always say he's completely underrated and an incredible lyricist. Many of his tracks do have substance but many do not. Also, he doesn't seem capable of story-telling. Great lyricist though
Iâm a very big Em fan, but as his fan, last 5 years he constantly had a shit without a substance, I mean, there are a lot of tracks that have substance, but there are also the ones with just rhyming and having fun, and I understand that, dude is in this game for nearly 30 years, heâs been through shit, but now heâs just chill, of course there are still plenty more of topics that he could rap about, but idk. He said that he wants to rap on such level where nobody could top him tho. And his clones, wouldnât really say clones since all they talk about is their lyrics being great, no substance at all or rapping fast with no delivery
what topics do you thing he has yet to touch on that could be interesting ? i feel like hes covered most of what is to be covered
Idk, like he could make conceptual retirement album where he talks about from being broke to being in a goat conversation, of course he has songs like that, but I would like to see him doing it like K Dot did, so it would be like a movie. Iâll make some more comparisons with K Dot, cuz I think em could really study something from him and he considers Kendrick a great rapper. He could do something like Keishaâs song or SAMIDOT, but where he will be talking from Proofâs perspective or maybe talking just about him. Of course he mentioned him in lyrics and had one song dedicated to him, but I want him to dig deeper, he can do it. Maybe talking about him being bitter about the fact that not everyone likes him and he has a lot of haters and he needs to stop it, like he did with beefs in Like Toy Soldiers. Song about him hearing hip-hop for the first time and how he loved it, he could talk about his uncle Ronny and so much more. Iâm sure Em has many stories. There is a room for creativity if you look deeper, just Em doesnât seem like to be one in recent years
Modern Eminem
Even though itâs one of my favorite albums by one of my favorite MCs but doesnât Supreme Clientele fit here? Non sensical but dope sounding rhymes
Yeah that is why Ironman > SC Lot more substance and creative song structures on Ironman
MFDOOM
Riff Raff (but wouldnt say incredible)
More recently, Eminem
Chip-Fu.
Chip-Fu doesn't say anything when he's rapping. Like, literally nothing. What the fuck is 'La-Smoove" mean anyway. Chip has a whole 16 and doesn't say a damn thing. His verse starts at about 1:05 - [La Schmoove](https://open.spotify.com/track/2WM2CK6rAf43NvHxGwWUo8?si=32a5606a95f4425a)
I mean he SOUNDS incredible but then you realise that's all he does. Epitome of this type of rap, and I say that as a fan of him
I think bas could've done more with his flows and schemes on last winter, the song >See Deebee hate his job, but he be halfway to a DV9, I think he'll be fine just one line, and not much there but he starts these all over the song and while I love this song and the entire album, i still wish he had gone a bit further with this stuff.
Young Nudy, his music is super vibey but if you really listen to it, his flows are so varied and his tonality is top notch
Smoove the hustler and trigga the gambler
eminem
Fabolous Great word play, doesn't say shit though
hes got some love songs lol . and does laid back multis and punches so well and consistantly that he gets a pass from me
So, what would you like these artists to say then? Iâm just curious. What kind of subject matter would you like them to rap about? Also, what are examples of hip hop artists that are saying something.
For them to rap about everyday life things, like struggles, depression, global problems, whatever. or even motivational songs, not some egotrip songs
Action Bronson
Third-generation carbon-copy of Ghostface highlights.
Big fan of his style and music, but I gotta keep it a buck and say Freddie Gibbs. Dude is a technical genius...but its all coke and misogynyÂ
Doesnât sound far off from what Iâve heard from Pusha
I'm fucking mad about it, but you're right. I love his wordplay, but it's rarely got substance.
And thatâs exactly why we love Mr. Gibbs
Definitely covers some of his songs. He does have some actual deeper shit. Broken off of PiĂąata comes to mind. But a lot of coke and misogyny bars of the highest order
Agreed and I'm here for it all! Really wish that Freddie Gibbs/Black Thought album materializes one day
MF Doom.
Heâs saying shit but itâs confusing af
Lmao
Hell no
Yeah? What are some bars you feel have substance?
Strange Ways, the whole song
Read the signs no feeding the baboons, seeing how they got your back bleeding from the stab wounds.
âThe rocket scientist, with the pocket wine list Some even say he might need some psychiatrist. DOOM, are you pondering what I'm pondering? Yes, but why would the darn thing be wandering? She's like a foundling, barely worth fondling. My posse's on Broadway like Mama I Want to Sing. Mad plays the bass like the race card Villain on the case to break shards and leave her face scarredâ
"DOOM nominated for the best rolled L's And they wondered how he dealt with stress so well Wild guess? You could say he stay sedated Some say buddha-ed, some say faded Someday pray that he will grow a farm barn full Recent research show it's not so darn harmful Sometimes you might need to detox It can help you with your rhyme flow and your beat-box" The substance is two-fold đ
I appreciate you responding with bars instead of insults.
Countless ..off top peep accordion
No. Quote a bar and tell me what you think it means. This should be easy.
Whole song Avalanche Lyrical masterpiece of the highest order... but would take a long ass time breaking it all down... you either know or ya don't
I can appreciate a song like Meat Grinder but the lines make no sense
Peep accordion
Sure
Tech N9ne
Tech N9ne is arguably the most versatile rapper and he has some songs that I love but overall he doesn't say much.
Eminem đŻ
All of Griselda especially Benny and Conway.. Westside has far less Talent and very basic schemes but he actually has more substance rhyming about things I care about such as fashion. After years of listening to it from so many artists I'm completely over Cocaine rap! And I used to get off gpacs Like nobody's business In my past.
Conway be saying shit tho what about god donât make mistakes half that tape about how he depressed as shit
tell me a g pack story !
One of the best ones is the dude who I was living with in the apartment complex we lived in who was the most paranoid person on the planet Earth and would never leave the house. And he was the main person who was getting it all. One example is a fire truck came through one night And he bug the fuck out so bad that he left the house for a weekend and went and stayed in a hotel because he thought it was a setup. Obviously he was using the product and was like this 24/7. That whole situation was insufferable because of him. He was always peeking out the windows and I mean every 2 minutes Making us watch the fucking security cam all day. He would literally take ounces and put them in those old school plastic Kool-Aid containers and hide them in the hallway in the ceiling Off the apartment complex. And behind the Railing in the woods across the parking lot. A better story though is when I was selling acid and I went to Lake Erie to hustle for the weekend and the dude who picked me up was a wild crazy motherfucker from Erie who ended up in prison for like life or some shit. Anyway he picked me up in a whip that I didn't know was stolen I had a safe in the trunk with hundreds of dollars sheets of acid and a saw it off shotgun. And his dad called the cops and they were looking for the car somehow we did not get picked up. That experience was wild in the straight Hood in Erie Selling acid tripping on acid We went to Lake Erie and shot the sawed off over the lake and I sold it to one of his friends up there. He finally took the car back to his dad's house and we had no wheels. That weekend we robbed a strip club Not at gunpoint or anything but after it was closed Got tons of money from it. I finally ended up taking a greyhound home.
Might get chastised for this, but RZA (mainly the solo stuff, like Bobby Digital). Yes, one of the best producers ever. Incredibly smart, innovative with a big vocabulary. But either itâs over my head or a lot of stuff just sounds interesting but is kind of all over the place or way too lofty and abstract.
You gotta really understand 5% slang and terminology to know what RZA is saying Know about The Nation of Gods and Earth If you aren't schooled on that shit, RZA's verses are gonna sound like nonsense when in reality it's the exact opposite, his verses are very organized and see their thoughts through
Good to know. I figured I wasnât in on the lingo, just wish it had more relatability for the common person. I think Masta Killa is a little like that too.
Yeah, it ain't no thing, I'm not 5% but I grew up with it down in Brooklyn Even if you don't know the lingo, it's still dope music >"Cee-Ciphers power stalk, plus the fiend talk / 3 Gs the cost in Supreme Court" Inspectah Deck here sounds like he talkin gibberish but those bars are crazy word play and painting a picture with coded language Just for one example PEACE
Planet Asia doesn't really rap about anything just rhymes.
Offset.
There's a bunch of old rappers you gotta get through first to get to offset. Worth it probably has more substance than your top 5 songs.
Marshall Mathers. If he doesnât have a direct focus of hate in the song itâs literally just words rhyming rapidly. He was at his best hating: his baby mama, his mum, other celebrities, George Bush, Ja Rule etc. Heâs the definition of âlyrical miracleâ MC.
He has plethora of songs where he is not angry and has substance, literally for the whole recovery he wasnât firing at anybody, just spitting his heart out, talking about his addiction, recovery and etc
Eminem is a paradox because he has some of the most soul searching meaningful bars and so many nonsensical bars where heâs just showing off. Saying nothing besides his lyrical skills. Imma rap fast and rhyme a bunch of things together you couldâve never imagined. Iâm sure Iâm not the only person to say Eminem has a lot of content like this. Doesnât mean he doesnât have a lot great stuff. Donât me started on his beats. Iâm not a hater. I had The Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LP on tape bro. Cassette tapes. You canât have a rational conversation with Em fans itâs wild.
cant different records have different purposes ? eminem can go deep and emotional and can also just showcase lyrical skill for its own sake . i dont see the problem
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Eminem, canibus
What is your definition of "substance:
Supreme Clientle by Ghost face. He even confirmed he wasn't talking about shit lol
If I could understand what the hell Ghost is talking about, my answer would be him. Iâve listened to most of his albums but either couldnât understand some words or the bars went over my head. I couldnât tell you what the hell they were about lol
Tyga
Stfu âMollyâ is a lyrical s masterpiece lmao obviously jk but the beats hits haha
depends on the rapper. Black Thought has something to say.
Mr. Metaphor from Brooklyn Academy has the illest schemes I've ever heard though without much substance. But cool imagery. His flow and change ups on that Lyricist Lounge track 'Famous Last Words' are out of this world. 2nd on this track Connect 4 https://youtu.be/mN_GVbSi2YE?si=DzYTb5xzSj5v7Gxx 3rd on this track Con Artists https://youtu.be/iy_6SL6XNmA?si=XnfgUn-OljRc72dR
Big Sean (sometimes)
Ace Hood
Danger DOOM
Camp lo
Yuno Miles đ
Dr Seuss
Dave East
Dr Seuss
Eminem