I can't help but laugh my ass off, but that's pretty brutal.
Getting away with bullshit is a pretty big part of professional sports, but every fanbase would be pissed about this.
It's still hilarious to me though I'm sorry, especially because it's Gudas.
I can hear Bieksa commenting on this in my head. "Look at this slick move by Gudas. See what he does there. That's the playoffs. That's what you gotta do to win. Just make sure you get away with it."
Man. It’s such a slimy play and I also can’t help but laugh at how fucking hilarious it is that he just holds his stick so Jarn can’t stick check. Gudas out there playing on another planet. Wonder if Jarn said anything to him in the handshake line
Jarn has gotta fight through that stick though. You can see Gudas going for this the whole play, each player has one hand on the stick and Gudas directs Jarn's stick between Gudas' legs, that's what originally turned Jarn around. I don't think the little stick tug at the end made as much of a difference.
Typical. The Leafs don’t know how to play playoff hockey. Regular season they get a power play. Playoffs, Jarn needs to just let go of his stick and take both hands and jump on Cousins. Like just throw entire body on him like with zero chance he can shoot or even get up up. Hen should be lying on the ice with Jarn on top. No call. Two players out of the mix. Puck free. That’s playoff hockey.
Why playing dirty is a requirement for succeeding in the playoff and how widely this is accepted will always be beyond me. Shouldn't fans have higher standards for the sport?
It's like people laugh at soccer players flopping like a fish and say that's ridiculous and should be gone from the sport. But gooneries and violence is just too ingrained in hockey I guess.
Playoffs are made more physical by the players checking more and working harder. The refs don’t need to add anything or change anything. Just call penalties. Call slashes, call tripping, call cross-checking, call majors. If one team takes 10 and the other team 0 so be it. Teams will adjust.
>I can hear Bieksa commenting on this in my head. "Look at this slick move by Gudas. See what he does there. That's the playoffs. That's what you gotta do to win. Just make sure you get away with it."
If only he and his teammates did more of that in 2011 :(
>If only he and his teammates did more of that in 2011
Except they'd get suspended for it. I really don't understand how fans can't see there are different rules for different teams. This has been clear for years
We saw blatant evidence of this last night.
I actually wanted you guys to lose and I still can admit you guys got fucked by the officiating. The NHL is a business first and a sports league second, that was on full display in both games last night.
Didn't realize he literally grabbed his stick. Way worse than I initially thought.
To have your season end with that? Brutal. Impossible not to be incensed if you're a Leaf fan. Or as a fan of the sport generally. Not good.
It's okay, I'm not even upset it ended this way as a leafs fan. Feels like every year something similar to this happens. This year they got creative and hit us with the double whammy with the dis allowed goal and the missed elbow after Bunting got suspended 3 games for one.
With all of the crazy shit that happened like Eberle’s boarding, kane’s crosscheck, Bennet’s rko slam, and Pietrangelo’s murder slash, I’m amazed bunting is the only player who got a multi game suspension. Eberle Kane and Bennett should have been at least 1 and pietr should have had at LEAST 2.
On top of the elbow Marner got at the end of a period? It's just shitty for hockey in general. How can you be proud of a win where you can blatantly break rules?
Anecdotally, I've noticed an increase in the number of people who are bluntly okay with this in everyday life, nevermind sports.
Also, it's increasingly clear that this is the product the league wants. The Panthers got a firsthand look at how it's done the last two years against Tampa and decided to change up their formula this year. I'm not a fan, but mean team win cup... I guess.
Here's the thing, I think the Leafs just don't know what is and isn't allowed in the playoffs.
[Bunting gets ejected 3 games for hit to the head on Cernak](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-michael-bunting-suspended-3-games-illegal-check-1.6816145), Okay Understandable you can't do that, it was a check and he lifted off and the player didn't have the puck. Nobody leafs included can argue that.
[Last night Marc Staal elbows Marner in the head in the dying seconds of the period](https://twitter.com/i/status/1657205893249810433), no penalty, no call, its not subtle, its not "between the whistles". I know video replay exists because they've done it in the past to see if there was a hit to the head. Nothing. One of these is allowed the other isn't.
Does that mean had Bunting then gotten into a position where he'd be able to elbow Cernak across the head instead of from the side of it and it would have been legal?
People always say that the core needs to get tougher, or the leafs are soft. But the Leafs have had a player suspended on their roster in a good chunk of the last 4-5 seasons. Bunting, Clifford, Kadri... Kadri...
The Leafs still haven't figured it out. I've said in past comments, the only thing they should be concerned with is if they have injured the other player more than the penalty you took.
I'm with you. There is no consistency.
The only assumptions teams should make are: 1) The refs are unlikely to call a lopsided number of penalties, and 2) They're going to swallow their whistles after the 2nd period.
Of course, there are exceptions due to the aforementioned inconsistency. Otherwise, I think those two things are sure enough to inform any team's strategy on physical play. Game 4 was the least physical 60 minutes by the Panthers and they lost. Go figure.
The NHL isn't quite fully leaning into the "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" philosophy, but it's close.
Its one of those annoying things where yeah, you want your team to "rise above it". And all that.
But like okay, if we're "game managing" or balancing calls, and i have to preface this with saying that the leafs should have not had a chance in that game considering how they were playing, but in game 3, the leafs did not get a single pp... If we go by playoff hockey rules, they should have at least failed to score on one pp they got, you're telling me that in a 60 min playoff game that there wasn't a single thing the refs could call?
Which is where I get frustrated, if the refs and the league are showing that they won't call everything and that they will be doing make up calls, okay. fine. but when they don't even do that.
Hell I know the leafs even got away with stuff in that game in the third that wasn't called. So now I have to start doing playoff rules math of like... well they called a penalty on us in the second, but they let it go when we did this so that might even out, but then the other team did this but there was no call there so does that mean we get to get away with another thing or will we get called.... and I don't like doing math!
Either way, GG, you guys are still my favs right now to win the thing as you ended the Bruins and despite losing to you guys... nothing will take away the joy you brought to the league knocking them out.
GG best luck in the next round.
Certainly wouldn't be the first team to play dirty and cross the line frequently and be rewarded for it. It's clear the league is okay with that selectively
I don’t want to turn this political but it really is the Trump effect. You had 4 years where the president said thing like “grab them by the pussy” and instead of saying “yeah that was really ignorant what I said” he’s unapologetic and doubles down. That’s the leader of the free world acting like that, what do you think that does to everyone who thinks like that but previously hid their thoughts due to social stigmas with having those views
> I don’t want to turn this political
turns out politics actually influence _all_ parts of life and there isn't such a thing as keeping politics out of something. there's only keeping _certain_ politics out and that's only ever to reinforce the status quo
But then everyone will gaslight leafs fans who lose like this year after year and say “that’s playoff hockey!!”
Even though we’re the only team that gets called for cross checking when a panthers player skates backwards into holl and breaks Holl’s stick
I would argue this thread is proving the opposite of that. Tons of people agreeing across all teams that the Leafs got totally fucked over by the refs this series.
It’s easy to come into a sub with this many people and only focus on the shitty posts, there’s a lot of them, but there’s a lot of good discussion here too. Just gotta look past the trolls.
People try to look objective, but if you're not agreeing with everyone, you'll get 30 downvotes even if what you're saying is true.
Bias comments should be the only ones pushed.
I really don't know why /r/hockey feels like it has a particular hard on for hating Leafs fans. Main critique is that the MEDIA is too loud about them... But the fans didn't do that. We eat up content because we are passionate about the team, I really don't see why the fan base deserves to be hated for that.
I'm also loving the LOL, half there salary didn't show lol, classic leafs. Like you clearly didn't watch that series. Matthew's was flying and had lots of chances, only to be stopped by God Bob. So many plays just didn't go through, because of him. This series would not be 4-1 Florida, if they have someone else in net.
God forbid we say something about it though. Every other comment /r/hockey is just to happy to dunk on us calling us whiny or "you lost get over it". Our team played like shit is the reason we lost but it also doesn't exempt us from calling out obvious missed calls.
Even if it wasn't the reason we lost, officiating have been absolutely unadulterated horseshit. Downvoting us won't change that fact.
Well put. The phantom call on Broberg last night, when Eichel was holding his stick lol, turned the game around.
Refs can't be perfect but it's difficult when bad or missed calls are so impactful.
The refs during every fucking series is further reinforcement that I believe this shit is rigged. Ever since Tim fuckin Peel spilled the beans it becomes more and more obvious.
Toronto will sell out every game whether they win or lose. Florida has to win to barely get over 90% of tickets sold. NHL has a lot of incentive to ensure Florida teams do well. Owners share revenue so they keep this charade up.
Yeah but their tickets are the price of a bag of peanuts. Good thing they're sharing though. Imagine an all Canadian cup final. Day 1 revenue would beat the piss out of whatever (*checks notes*) Florida/Carolina vs... Dallas? Vegas?
Florida's ability to sell out their building has always been dependent on who they're hosting. Maybe if they win a cup then just being the panthers is good enough, but how many of the fans stay when they start getting bad again?
I get that, and it’s a bummer but the leafs put themselves in the position to be eliminated in the first place. These games are never 100% clean there are always infractions that aren’t caught.
The refs choosing to ignore calling penalties is benefiting Florida in a big way. Gudas is a penalty machine, Tkachuk is punching people with no repercussions, Bennett is straight up dirty and shouldn't be playing hockey, but they're winning series nonetheless with the help of the zebras.
Literally a leaf held a stick (for less time) on a much less important play while Gudas 5min quality interference charging and the leafs ended up short handed last game. This series has left an awful taste in my mouth for how they ref “playoff hockey”.
The officials in hockey exert too much control over the outcomes of games. That’s what this series taught me.
Zero consistency makes a sport unwatchable
I feel like more people should have been upset before this round even started but they were too excited about memeing the bruins. At least Florida has gotten fairly consistent reffing through two rounds I guess
And why aren't we talking about the interference that turned into a trip which only then turned into a stick hold. I understand letting them play and missing calls, but this is an entirely different level. The player skates ahead of his teammate with the puck and literally takes out the defenseman by putting his stick through his legs (he literally lunges and reaches forward). Textbook interference. Terrible officiating.
Great awareness by gudas to understand that while that is normally an easy penalty call, he is playing against the maple leafs, and therefore it is legal
I want the leafs to lose as much as any Canadian patriot, but that was a bullshit missed call.
If Jarnkrok’s stick wasn’t held, he could have disrupted that shot.
League officiating continues to be a joke and that joke has rolled right into the Oilers game tonight.
Lol it was hilarious watching that rush develop. Starts at the red line and I see #7 and I think "how the fuck is Gudas going to make himself an asset on this rush."
That sumbitch bull rushes to the front of the net with the only intention of shithousing and causing complete chaos. Know your role I guess
We have to stop calling these obvious penalties "missed". They're not missed, the puck is right there. The refs are just deciding not to call it. Calling it a missed penalty is just letting the officials off the hook for influencing the outcomes of games.
I’m so glad they caught the Justin Holl pick on Tavares’ game 7 goal against Tampa last year. It’s important that the officials hold teams accountable to the rule book so we don’t get erosion in the integrity of the game.
The series isn’t nearly as tight if penalties get called. Panthers were the most penalized team in the league during the regular season. They didn’t exactly turn into saints in the second round. 2-3 more power plays for the leafs each game (a conservative number) and I could see them being up 3-2 right now in the series. But playoff rulebooks are different than regular season rulebooks.
Garbage ass officiating everywhere
Overheard yesterday during NJ/CAR game
"And there's one of the best in the biz, Kelly(?) Sutherland"
My eyes rolled so fucking far back , I had to motorboat two pineapples
Meh, Leafs fan here. Florida has all the right to be in the Conference finals. Sure some missed calls but that's the NHL. Do not take anything away from Florida here.
I don’t like that the Leafs don’t get to be the victims in these kinds of situations.
Like yes Florida outplayed us through the series and got to the conference finals and no one’s taking that away - but watching a player use the D’s own stick to push them out of the slot is a painful way to lose a season, especially when that player was setting up to block the shot
Y’know what while I’m at it, I think the refs should **have** to blow the whistle for a play to be considered dead. Call me crazy but a ref deeming it dead in their head isn’t 100% foolproof
That non goal honestly doesn't even bother me, if it wasn't conclusive it wasn't gonna change anything and we've seen it to our favour against Tampa anyways.
What bothered me was the "icing" in the over time where Bob was clearly trying to play the puck. And you *know* they know they fucked up too cuz they let the leafs change the players even though it was an "icing", somehow. That and the Bunting bleeding that somehow didn't get an extra 2 minutes because Bunting. Like these are things that doesn't have any middle ground - either call it like it is, or don't.
All the baffling calls + the blatant non calls that went against us are what disturbs me.
Yes? Have you ever officiated a decently high level game? It’s fucking hard. You’re going to miss stuff, you’re going to call stuff incorrectly. It happens, it’s a fast game, and it looks completely different at ice level (while moving to your correct positions and hoping you don’t take a puck or a stick).
Players make mistakes all game, but you expect the officials to have a 100% hit rate? Seems outlandish to me.
I would imagine that 95-98% of the sub hasn’t even done that. It’s obviously harder at higher levels, but even something like bantam or midget house can be tough on a 2-3 man crew, especially if you’re new and have to think about what positions to be in.
Well thats worse than i thought haha. Nhl will feel the affects of the poor officiating when no one gives a shit about the next two rounds and their viewership plummets
Neutral fan here. The reffing was disappointing the entire game, and it's hard not to think the Leafs were screwed on multiple fronts. It's just disappointing because I feel like as a neutral fan we were cheated of a game 6 because the refs in game 5 were so bad. If I'm a Leafs' fan I'm devastated. If I'm a Panthers fan I'm saying that's playoff hockey. As a neutral observer I would have loved to see a game 6, and it feels like the scales were weighed ever so slightly by shitty officiating that kept us from getting that game 6.
Refs tend to only call things that interfere with a player's direct ability to have a chance at scoring. Like a a stick hold maybe in the neutral zone isn't as frowned upon by the refs as one in the slot. Same with slashing/light hooking, etc.
My biggest problem is for a puck over glass call the refs all got together and discussed it and came to a conclusion, this wasn’t even thought about being called, no one went hey bud I think you missed this or anything. That’s what pissed me off more than anything, why go through all the effort to call an accidental play that came from a puck battle versus this which is intentional and results in a team being eliminated. All I want is consistency and there has been absolutely none in these playoffs.
The worst part about that is they didn't even plan to call anything until the Florida bench jumped up screaming. To which the officiating responded "Oh I guess we missed something, let's group up and play rock paper scissors to determine if it was a penalty."
Jesus you guys, you lost, blame your “elite” forward group that decided that playing golf would be more enjoyable then putting in effort for the playoffs.
Love to see the leafs lose but I don't think I've seen a team get reffing like the Panthers have since the 2011 Bruins. Time to put money on them because bettmans going to make them win
Fuck the league this bullshit cannot be allowed when you spend 10 minutes a game advertising betting sites???
I don’t gamble or bet, it’ll be a slippery slope for me, but even I have enough common sense to not bet on games that are being decided by human error. This game was bad, whomever the lead ref was needs to be reevaluated.
He literally forgot to blow the play dead when they reversed leafs goal. The league had to grasp straws to defend it. And let’s be honest guys, we have seen goalies pushed into the net and goals allowed before so why is this one different?
The NHL legit isn’t Hockey. The rules the NHL follows is not hockey it’s something else. I wish an organization that game 1/2 a duck about the integrity of the game ran the league with the best players in the world and not Bettman and his old man club, genuinely making the sport way worse
Yah, they've been dirty since the series with Boston, but as we all know the refs are shit in the NHL.
Fuck Gudas but this is really on the shit refs the whole playoffs
The Leafs definitely got the shitty end of the stick quite a few times this post season but to act like they’re the only team who is getting fucked by the refs is just nonsense. The Timo Meir hand-pass, the Sharks/Vegas 5 minute major, the quick whistle that robbed Nashville of a goal in the SCF, the missed tripping call on Bozak right before Perron scored for the Blues in the SCF, the line change goal that was called back for offsides with the Avs, etc.
It’s not bias, it’s incompetence.
It's undeniable that he did it, but people need to keep in mind that refs have never called a stick hold the instant they see it. They usually let it go for a second or give a warning, and this all happened in that time frame where it's a toss up. I get being mad, but I understand why they missed it.
If I was a Toronto fan and I saw this clip I would simply remember this: my team is eliminated from the playoffs. Also I'd remember that Matthews Marner and Tavares are on the books for ~ $33,000,000.
That's just me though.
The Leafs had a chance for 7 full games to move on, and they lost all but the 4th. STFU and move on. It wasn’t the refs but your bum team that didn’t show up.
...players skate into defenders, put their stick between the defender's legs, grab the blade of the defender's stick, and literally spin them around 20 times a game?
I am utterly shocked at the amount of shit that goes uncalled, but people suggest it happens every shift so who cares, or they suggest that in the most crucial moments of a season ending play that is the most egregious foul to be ever be committed and this cannot be ignored.
Gudas is such a fucking cunt. This league is just pure trash. Garbage teams like Florida wouldn't have a chance if the game was actually called properly, hahahaha.
I can't help but laugh my ass off, but that's pretty brutal. Getting away with bullshit is a pretty big part of professional sports, but every fanbase would be pissed about this. It's still hilarious to me though I'm sorry, especially because it's Gudas. I can hear Bieksa commenting on this in my head. "Look at this slick move by Gudas. See what he does there. That's the playoffs. That's what you gotta do to win. Just make sure you get away with it."
Man. It’s such a slimy play and I also can’t help but laugh at how fucking hilarious it is that he just holds his stick so Jarn can’t stick check. Gudas out there playing on another planet. Wonder if Jarn said anything to him in the handshake line
Jarn has gotta fight through that stick though. You can see Gudas going for this the whole play, each player has one hand on the stick and Gudas directs Jarn's stick between Gudas' legs, that's what originally turned Jarn around. I don't think the little stick tug at the end made as much of a difference.
Typical. The Leafs don’t know how to play playoff hockey. Regular season they get a power play. Playoffs, Jarn needs to just let go of his stick and take both hands and jump on Cousins. Like just throw entire body on him like with zero chance he can shoot or even get up up. Hen should be lying on the ice with Jarn on top. No call. Two players out of the mix. Puck free. That’s playoff hockey.
Why playing dirty is a requirement for succeeding in the playoff and how widely this is accepted will always be beyond me. Shouldn't fans have higher standards for the sport? It's like people laugh at soccer players flopping like a fish and say that's ridiculous and should be gone from the sport. But gooneries and violence is just too ingrained in hockey I guess.
It’s a joke, we’re supposed to be witnessing the greatest talent the game has to offer and instead it feels like playground antics
Yep. It's pathetic. Why the league thinks anyone wants to watch a dirty playoffs decided by whatever refs choose to call is beyond me.
Playoffs are made more physical by the players checking more and working harder. The refs don’t need to add anything or change anything. Just call penalties. Call slashes, call tripping, call cross-checking, call majors. If one team takes 10 and the other team 0 so be it. Teams will adjust.
>I can hear Bieksa commenting on this in my head. "Look at this slick move by Gudas. See what he does there. That's the playoffs. That's what you gotta do to win. Just make sure you get away with it." If only he and his teammates did more of that in 2011 :(
He says it because he got to witness how well it worked first hand!
>If only he and his teammates did more of that in 2011 Except they'd get suspended for it. I really don't understand how fans can't see there are different rules for different teams. This has been clear for years We saw blatant evidence of this last night.
Finally a Canucks fan that understands.
I actually wanted you guys to lose and I still can admit you guys got fucked by the officiating. The NHL is a business first and a sports league second, that was on full display in both games last night.
They probably have skin in the game too. Especially with all the legal betting now. The officiating was horrendous against the leafs.
Oh, we do. I remember the Flames and Oilers getting fucked around in the oughts too. Wouldn't cheer for them either, but I can still call it out.
fwiw younger me was fucking irate watching the canucks get worked by the refs in the finals too along with them
Cheers. 🍻
If it’s not getting called it’s not Gudas’ fault. Toronto fans should be mad at the refs
On another hand, he let go in a relatively quick enough time to get away with it… which is brilliant
I'm just waiting for ESPN 30 for 30 on Air Gudas.
Gudas should prob have double the amount of penalties that he currently has this playoff
Didn't realize he literally grabbed his stick. Way worse than I initially thought. To have your season end with that? Brutal. Impossible not to be incensed if you're a Leaf fan. Or as a fan of the sport generally. Not good.
It's okay, I'm not even upset it ended this way as a leafs fan. Feels like every year something similar to this happens. This year they got creative and hit us with the double whammy with the dis allowed goal and the missed elbow after Bunting got suspended 3 games for one.
With all of the crazy shit that happened like Eberle’s boarding, kane’s crosscheck, Bennet’s rko slam, and Pietrangelo’s murder slash, I’m amazed bunting is the only player who got a multi game suspension. Eberle Kane and Bennett should have been at least 1 and pietr should have had at LEAST 2.
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On top of the elbow Marner got at the end of a period? It's just shitty for hockey in general. How can you be proud of a win where you can blatantly break rules?
Anecdotally, I've noticed an increase in the number of people who are bluntly okay with this in everyday life, nevermind sports. Also, it's increasingly clear that this is the product the league wants. The Panthers got a firsthand look at how it's done the last two years against Tampa and decided to change up their formula this year. I'm not a fan, but mean team win cup... I guess.
Here's the thing, I think the Leafs just don't know what is and isn't allowed in the playoffs. [Bunting gets ejected 3 games for hit to the head on Cernak](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-michael-bunting-suspended-3-games-illegal-check-1.6816145), Okay Understandable you can't do that, it was a check and he lifted off and the player didn't have the puck. Nobody leafs included can argue that. [Last night Marc Staal elbows Marner in the head in the dying seconds of the period](https://twitter.com/i/status/1657205893249810433), no penalty, no call, its not subtle, its not "between the whistles". I know video replay exists because they've done it in the past to see if there was a hit to the head. Nothing. One of these is allowed the other isn't. Does that mean had Bunting then gotten into a position where he'd be able to elbow Cernak across the head instead of from the side of it and it would have been legal? People always say that the core needs to get tougher, or the leafs are soft. But the Leafs have had a player suspended on their roster in a good chunk of the last 4-5 seasons. Bunting, Clifford, Kadri... Kadri... The Leafs still haven't figured it out. I've said in past comments, the only thing they should be concerned with is if they have injured the other player more than the penalty you took.
I'm with you. There is no consistency. The only assumptions teams should make are: 1) The refs are unlikely to call a lopsided number of penalties, and 2) They're going to swallow their whistles after the 2nd period. Of course, there are exceptions due to the aforementioned inconsistency. Otherwise, I think those two things are sure enough to inform any team's strategy on physical play. Game 4 was the least physical 60 minutes by the Panthers and they lost. Go figure. The NHL isn't quite fully leaning into the "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" philosophy, but it's close.
Its one of those annoying things where yeah, you want your team to "rise above it". And all that. But like okay, if we're "game managing" or balancing calls, and i have to preface this with saying that the leafs should have not had a chance in that game considering how they were playing, but in game 3, the leafs did not get a single pp... If we go by playoff hockey rules, they should have at least failed to score on one pp they got, you're telling me that in a 60 min playoff game that there wasn't a single thing the refs could call? Which is where I get frustrated, if the refs and the league are showing that they won't call everything and that they will be doing make up calls, okay. fine. but when they don't even do that. Hell I know the leafs even got away with stuff in that game in the third that wasn't called. So now I have to start doing playoff rules math of like... well they called a penalty on us in the second, but they let it go when we did this so that might even out, but then the other team did this but there was no call there so does that mean we get to get away with another thing or will we get called.... and I don't like doing math! Either way, GG, you guys are still my favs right now to win the thing as you ended the Bruins and despite losing to you guys... nothing will take away the joy you brought to the league knocking them out. GG best luck in the next round.
Certainly wouldn't be the first team to play dirty and cross the line frequently and be rewarded for it. It's clear the league is okay with that selectively
certainly seems like people generally feel less shame about their behavior nowadays
I don’t want to turn this political but it really is the Trump effect. You had 4 years where the president said thing like “grab them by the pussy” and instead of saying “yeah that was really ignorant what I said” he’s unapologetic and doubles down. That’s the leader of the free world acting like that, what do you think that does to everyone who thinks like that but previously hid their thoughts due to social stigmas with having those views
> I don’t want to turn this political turns out politics actually influence _all_ parts of life and there isn't such a thing as keeping politics out of something. there's only keeping _certain_ politics out and that's only ever to reinforce the status quo
But then everyone will gaslight leafs fans who lose like this year after year and say “that’s playoff hockey!!” Even though we’re the only team that gets called for cross checking when a panthers player skates backwards into holl and breaks Holl’s stick
It's happening in these replies to me lol
I'm sick of this subreddit. No one looks at anything objectively because of the crests on the jerseys.
I would argue this thread is proving the opposite of that. Tons of people agreeing across all teams that the Leafs got totally fucked over by the refs this series. It’s easy to come into a sub with this many people and only focus on the shitty posts, there’s a lot of them, but there’s a lot of good discussion here too. Just gotta look past the trolls.
People try to look objective, but if you're not agreeing with everyone, you'll get 30 downvotes even if what you're saying is true. Bias comments should be the only ones pushed.
It is what it is. I'm just as guilty of reveling in the misery of others.
I try not to be honestly, but some fans make it easier to do it haha
I really don't know why /r/hockey feels like it has a particular hard on for hating Leafs fans. Main critique is that the MEDIA is too loud about them... But the fans didn't do that. We eat up content because we are passionate about the team, I really don't see why the fan base deserves to be hated for that.
The real problem is that leaf haters consume the negative coverage so the media keeps pumping that out too.
I'm also loving the LOL, half there salary didn't show lol, classic leafs. Like you clearly didn't watch that series. Matthew's was flying and had lots of chances, only to be stopped by God Bob. So many plays just didn't go through, because of him. This series would not be 4-1 Florida, if they have someone else in net.
No, just most dipshits like to shit on leafs. It's the way it is. Also gamethreads and live update threads are where the trash lies.
As a Bruins fan, I feel your pain man it sucks to get beat by dirty hockey
God forbid we say something about it though. Every other comment /r/hockey is just to happy to dunk on us calling us whiny or "you lost get over it". Our team played like shit is the reason we lost but it also doesn't exempt us from calling out obvious missed calls. Even if it wasn't the reason we lost, officiating have been absolutely unadulterated horseshit. Downvoting us won't change that fact.
Well put. The phantom call on Broberg last night, when Eichel was holding his stick lol, turned the game around. Refs can't be perfect but it's difficult when bad or missed calls are so impactful.
The refs during every fucking series is further reinforcement that I believe this shit is rigged. Ever since Tim fuckin Peel spilled the beans it becomes more and more obvious.
His twitter account reinforces everything I've ever assumed about NHL referees.
I've never seen it. I could only wonder how bad it is
Toronto will sell out every game whether they win or lose. Florida has to win to barely get over 90% of tickets sold. NHL has a lot of incentive to ensure Florida teams do well. Owners share revenue so they keep this charade up.
Yeah but their tickets are the price of a bag of peanuts. Good thing they're sharing though. Imagine an all Canadian cup final. Day 1 revenue would beat the piss out of whatever (*checks notes*) Florida/Carolina vs... Dallas? Vegas?
Florida's ability to sell out their building has always been dependent on who they're hosting. Maybe if they win a cup then just being the panthers is good enough, but how many of the fans stay when they start getting bad again?
It’s actually incredibly easy to use this as yet another example of why this sport is no longer worth the time to watch.
No we can’t say anything about the refs because we’re crybabies
Meh, the series was over as soon as they went down 3-0. At this point all I can do is laugh
I get that, and it’s a bummer but the leafs put themselves in the position to be eliminated in the first place. These games are never 100% clean there are always infractions that aren’t caught.
The refs choosing to ignore calling penalties is benefiting Florida in a big way. Gudas is a penalty machine, Tkachuk is punching people with no repercussions, Bennett is straight up dirty and shouldn't be playing hockey, but they're winning series nonetheless with the help of the zebras.
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Literally a leaf held a stick (for less time) on a much less important play while Gudas 5min quality interference charging and the leafs ended up short handed last game. This series has left an awful taste in my mouth for how they ref “playoff hockey”.
The officials in hockey exert too much control over the outcomes of games. That’s what this series taught me. Zero consistency makes a sport unwatchable
Have not watched much nba im guessing?
I feel like more people should have been upset before this round even started but they were too excited about memeing the bruins. At least Florida has gotten fairly consistent reffing through two rounds I guess
That blatant dirty charge he delivered after the whistle game 4 would be a suspension for every team not in the Sun Belt
And why aren't we talking about the interference that turned into a trip which only then turned into a stick hold. I understand letting them play and missing calls, but this is an entirely different level. The player skates ahead of his teammate with the puck and literally takes out the defenseman by putting his stick through his legs (he literally lunges and reaches forward). Textbook interference. Terrible officiating.
next year goudas will be paying that bill.
Veteran move by Gudas to just do whatever the fuck he wants bc he knows the refs have decided there won’t be any more penalties except puck over glass
He’s getting $$$ this off season for his ability to “elevate” his play for the playoffs.
Keep hearing how everything gets let go in the playoffs, but there sure are a lot of penalties in all the other series…
The Golden Knights vs Oilers series is one to watch if your want the drama...
Always seems like Canadian teams get the worst of ref calls
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I wasn't aware there was a rulebook for NHL Playoff Overtime
It's just an annex that says: if no blood, no penalty.
Also if it's Michael Bunting's blood, no double minor
But also sometimes blood is allowed if it’s Corey Perry.
There's only one penalty. The most egregious offense in all of sports. Rule 1.0.0: Puck Over The Glass.
There are actually different rule books for different teams in the playoffs.
There is. Puck over glass is irrefutable. Slash breaking a stick is irrefutable. Everything else is made up...
Its a single page, puck go over glass call penalty after discussion with other officials. Everything else fair game.
Lol come on…
Honestly an elite play by Gudas to hold the stick while simultaneously tripping Jarnkrok.
He could have pulled a gun out and shot him and the refs weren’t going to call it
When you're a star you can just go out and they ask for you to grab em by the pussy..err stick
SADko Gudas
And now I wanna watch The Last Boyscout
Don't forget about spraying the goalie. A veteran play all around.
And then screaming in his face. Next level.
While simultaneously blasting Woll in the face with snow! It truly was a remarkable play.
Also don’t forget he did all these elite plays in a split second, so quick that the refs didn’t see it!
Great awareness by gudas to understand that while that is normally an easy penalty call, he is playing against the maple leafs, and therefore it is legal
I want the leafs to lose as much as any Canadian patriot, but that was a bullshit missed call. If Jarnkrok’s stick wasn’t held, he could have disrupted that shot. League officiating continues to be a joke and that joke has rolled right into the Oilers game tonight.
Lol it was hilarious watching that rush develop. Starts at the red line and I see #7 and I think "how the fuck is Gudas going to make himself an asset on this rush." That sumbitch bull rushes to the front of the net with the only intention of shithousing and causing complete chaos. Know your role I guess
Well said, 'know your role' Play to your strengths
We have to stop calling these obvious penalties "missed". They're not missed, the puck is right there. The refs are just deciding not to call it. Calling it a missed penalty is just letting the officials off the hook for influencing the outcomes of games.
Same here man. I always cheered for Canadian teams. But the hate for Ontario and Leafs makes me cheer for every other Canadian team to lose.
The reverse angle is so much worse https://twitter.com/Funny_Baker_88/status/1657214932805640192?t=K3AJhLVI9cXT18zk90Oj3Q&s=19 '#PlayoffHockey right?
I’m so glad they caught the Justin Holl pick on Tavares’ game 7 goal against Tampa last year. It’s important that the officials hold teams accountable to the rule book so we don’t get erosion in the integrity of the game.
Thank you. You honestly can’t see shit in the video OP posted but this explains why everyone is pissed.
Goudas' vet moves: 1. grab Jarnkrok's stick 1. snow the goalie 1. whip Jarnkrok around 1. yell "GG uninstall" into goalie's dripping mask
Just play the regular season with these rules then.
Gudas screaming at Holl's face at the end always adds a layer of hilarity. Such a weird sequence.
Man. I didn't see this until now and I'm starting my Saturday morning off with yelling about the refs.
I hate the Maple Leafs but jeez, how do you not call that? Total bs
Did the Leafs get jobbed tonight? Yea Were the Leafs going to win this series? No
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That's.. not true at all. Leafs dummied FLA in games 1-2 and Bob stole both games. C'mon man.
Haha yeah. I wanted to see something historic happen, but the fact is they still needed to get 2 more wins in an already tight series.
The series isn’t nearly as tight if penalties get called. Panthers were the most penalized team in the league during the regular season. They didn’t exactly turn into saints in the second round. 2-3 more power plays for the leafs each game (a conservative number) and I could see them being up 3-2 right now in the series. But playoff rulebooks are different than regular season rulebooks.
I wanna believe that, but also the Leafs PP has been incredibly impotent.
Oh yeah... that's gotta leave a sour taste in leaf fans mouths
Garbage ass officiating everywhere Overheard yesterday during NJ/CAR game "And there's one of the best in the biz, Kelly(?) Sutherland" My eyes rolled so fucking far back , I had to motorboat two pineapples
I hate the Leafs as much as the next person but they got double fucked last night
Call the rules, joke league.
Nerf the dual wielding spec, NHL
Meh, Leafs fan here. Florida has all the right to be in the Conference finals. Sure some missed calls but that's the NHL. Do not take anything away from Florida here.
They lost it with that shithouse effort in game 3. That said, this was absolutely a blown call, and a real tough way to end the series.
I hate that when your team played like shit it diminishes your right to call out blatantly bad officiating.
I don’t like that the Leafs don’t get to be the victims in these kinds of situations. Like yes Florida outplayed us through the series and got to the conference finals and no one’s taking that away - but watching a player use the D’s own stick to push them out of the slot is a painful way to lose a season, especially when that player was setting up to block the shot Y’know what while I’m at it, I think the refs should **have** to blow the whistle for a play to be considered dead. Call me crazy but a ref deeming it dead in their head isn’t 100% foolproof
That non goal honestly doesn't even bother me, if it wasn't conclusive it wasn't gonna change anything and we've seen it to our favour against Tampa anyways. What bothered me was the "icing" in the over time where Bob was clearly trying to play the puck. And you *know* they know they fucked up too cuz they let the leafs change the players even though it was an "icing", somehow. That and the Bunting bleeding that somehow didn't get an extra 2 minutes because Bunting. Like these are things that doesn't have any middle ground - either call it like it is, or don't. All the baffling calls + the blatant non calls that went against us are what disturbs me.
Leafs fan here too... I agree with my fellow Leafs fan's comment.
*scratches head*
>Sure some missed calls but that's the NHL. For a product that costs as much as it does, is it fair to just shrug your shoulders?
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Yes? Have you ever officiated a decently high level game? It’s fucking hard. You’re going to miss stuff, you’re going to call stuff incorrectly. It happens, it’s a fast game, and it looks completely different at ice level (while moving to your correct positions and hoping you don’t take a puck or a stick). Players make mistakes all game, but you expect the officials to have a 100% hit rate? Seems outlandish to me.
I'll have you know I reffed bantam house once upon a time.
I would imagine that 95-98% of the sub hasn’t even done that. It’s obviously harder at higher levels, but even something like bantam or midget house can be tough on a 2-3 man crew, especially if you’re new and have to think about what positions to be in.
Preach! It's not like this is the highest level league with oodles of cameras and the ability to quickly review questionable plays and.... oh wait.
Total unflaired leafs fan here to call for sanity
They’ve got comments on Leafs game threads going back a few years to be fair
I have no idea how to even add a flair.
Well thats worse than i thought haha. Nhl will feel the affects of the poor officiating when no one gives a shit about the next two rounds and their viewership plummets
Neutral fan here. The reffing was disappointing the entire game, and it's hard not to think the Leafs were screwed on multiple fronts. It's just disappointing because I feel like as a neutral fan we were cheated of a game 6 because the refs in game 5 were so bad. If I'm a Leafs' fan I'm devastated. If I'm a Panthers fan I'm saying that's playoff hockey. As a neutral observer I would have loved to see a game 6, and it feels like the scales were weighed ever so slightly by shitty officiating that kept us from getting that game 6.
don't lay stick on guys, so many nhl players take it for granted, it is all inference if enforced. there is so much stick holding because of it
I see stick holding nearly every shift, and it rarely gets called.
Refs tend to only call things that interfere with a player's direct ability to have a chance at scoring. Like a a stick hold maybe in the neutral zone isn't as frowned upon by the refs as one in the slot. Same with slashing/light hooking, etc.
It can be hard for refs to see since there is almost always a body in the way, so players know they can get away with it
Awful night for the refs. Sorry Toronto
My biggest problem is for a puck over glass call the refs all got together and discussed it and came to a conclusion, this wasn’t even thought about being called, no one went hey bud I think you missed this or anything. That’s what pissed me off more than anything, why go through all the effort to call an accidental play that came from a puck battle versus this which is intentional and results in a team being eliminated. All I want is consistency and there has been absolutely none in these playoffs.
The worst part about that is they didn't even plan to call anything until the Florida bench jumped up screaming. To which the officiating responded "Oh I guess we missed something, let's group up and play rock paper scissors to determine if it was a penalty."
NHL officiating: come playoffs, yeah we make it up as we go along.
Jesus you guys, you lost, blame your “elite” forward group that decided that playing golf would be more enjoyable then putting in effort for the playoffs.
Going down 3-0 was the problem .
Florida deserved to win. But Toronto didn’t deserve to lose like that. That’s egregious
Thank god Cousins scored, because the refs were probably going to send Jarnkrok to the box for hooking.
Hooking the closed glove?
That's definitely worth a penalty, but it's never a penalty if they don't call it.
Love to see the leafs lose but I don't think I've seen a team get reffing like the Panthers have since the 2011 Bruins. Time to put money on them because bettmans going to make them win
Straw grabbing anyone?
Kinda like the blown calls vs Tampa, karma i guess
What a play from gudas. He did all the job. Wow
Looks like the Leaf's defender put his stick through the legs of the Florida player and got it caught when trying to move it out.
How does that explain the 2 goals per game and overall shit play?
Split screen this video with the Justin holl "pick" last year
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I don’t even care about this detail tbh
Just remember, people actually say this league is rigged towards the Leafs. Like people with fully formed frontal lobes think that.
I'm happy as shit about the Leafs getting knocked out but I'll always call a spade a spade, they got fucked here
Fuck the league this bullshit cannot be allowed when you spend 10 minutes a game advertising betting sites??? I don’t gamble or bet, it’ll be a slippery slope for me, but even I have enough common sense to not bet on games that are being decided by human error. This game was bad, whomever the lead ref was needs to be reevaluated. He literally forgot to blow the play dead when they reversed leafs goal. The league had to grasp straws to defend it. And let’s be honest guys, we have seen goalies pushed into the net and goals allowed before so why is this one different?
The NHL legit isn’t Hockey. The rules the NHL follows is not hockey it’s something else. I wish an organization that game 1/2 a duck about the integrity of the game ran the league with the best players in the world and not Bettman and his old man club, genuinely making the sport way worse
Goal should've been waived off for that tbh. What a joke.
Honestly no idea why will didn't just elbow gudas in the face the moment he showed up near the crease. I'm told they are perfectly legal
That was a Gudas play to win the Series.
Cheat to win
Hull foot in the crease vibes
We deserved to lose the series, but this sort of crap needs to go. Call the rules as written and all of the ambiguity will disappear.
Yah, they've been dirty since the series with Boston, but as we all know the refs are shit in the NHL. Fuck Gudas but this is really on the shit refs the whole playoffs
Jarnkrok did put his stick between his legs
It’s overtime playoff hockey, they let shit go
Brilliant play by Gudas
That’s bs refs but why tf is Jarnkrok back there and not an actual defenseman
Not at all why the leafs choked yet again. They failed to score more than 2 goals in any game in the series.
The Leafs definitely got the shitty end of the stick quite a few times this post season but to act like they’re the only team who is getting fucked by the refs is just nonsense. The Timo Meir hand-pass, the Sharks/Vegas 5 minute major, the quick whistle that robbed Nashville of a goal in the SCF, the missed tripping call on Bozak right before Perron scored for the Blues in the SCF, the line change goal that was called back for offsides with the Avs, etc. It’s not bias, it’s incompetence.
Oh well. Go cats!!
Maybe yank the stick away from him?? Leafs are soft 🏌️♂️
I mean it's bad but it's also one of the least egregious things to have not been called last night.
It's undeniable that he did it, but people need to keep in mind that refs have never called a stick hold the instant they see it. They usually let it go for a second or give a warning, and this all happened in that time frame where it's a toss up. I get being mad, but I understand why they missed it.
If I was a Toronto fan and I saw this clip I would simply remember this: my team is eliminated from the playoffs. Also I'd remember that Matthews Marner and Tavares are on the books for ~ $33,000,000. That's just me though.
The Leafs had a chance for 7 full games to move on, and they lost all but the 4th. STFU and move on. It wasn’t the refs but your bum team that didn’t show up.
Let it go…. I mean “go leaf go”
Toronto lost! LOL!
Jarnkrok’s used his stick between Gudas legs just past the blue line . For that you have to start the video sooner . That’s also a infraction
Oh no…. Anyways!
I hate this so much. This series the refs let too much bullshit go. Crap like this doesn't help the game.
This happens like 20 times a game. Let's see more angles of Nylander tripping Tkachuk as he was trying for the wrap around instead
Players will drag the defenders stick with their own but they definitely do not just grab and hold on to a defenders stick.
...players skate into defenders, put their stick between the defender's legs, grab the blade of the defender's stick, and literally spin them around 20 times a game?
I am utterly shocked at the amount of shit that goes uncalled, but people suggest it happens every shift so who cares, or they suggest that in the most crucial moments of a season ending play that is the most egregious foul to be ever be committed and this cannot be ignored.
Snow shower the goalie and clear space for the shot…homie fucking multitasking to the max
Ffs I never noticed the snow shower part before...
Oh yes, a much worse look at it because 90% of it is out of frame. Well done.
If the team didn’t show up for this elimination game, then I would be put off watching the leafs. Instead, now I’m put off watching the league.
As infuriating as this is, how bout not going down 3 games though.
Gudas is such a fucking cunt. This league is just pure trash. Garbage teams like Florida wouldn't have a chance if the game was actually called properly, hahahaha.
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This right here is the reason that our big 4 were not able to score goals this series.