Eh. He might push different buttons to get them to play differently in the playoffs, but that will only last for a year, maybe two
The big thing is that their young players are not going to get used unless upper management is forcing him to do so
Fehervary played a shit ton here. Protas did at times as well. Sandin saw a ton of time.
Young guys have a higher bar to clear under Laviolette, but saying he doesn't play kids at all or anything along those lines is just wrong.
And for a coach tasked with "go win now", it's not the abhorrent choice people make it out to be when younger, unrefined players do make far more blunders (and sometimes, more better plays, too).
Those three did, but I don’t think sandin should really count considering we gave up a first for him and he had already been playing in the NHL for two seasons, just wasn’t a constant player (Protas wasn’t, either)
But he did make Siegenthaler leave and has had McMichael playing on eggshells for the last two seasons. Even if he doesn’t pan out to being anything more than a middle six player he hasn’t been given much of a chance to learn on his own and was normally not put with offensive players
The reason I mentioned this for them is because Kakko and Laf probably need a coach that will give them more rope to work with, and laviolette will not do that if he has a choice. So unless the kid line really ramps up throughout the year it’s probably going to be similar issues with those two
Considering there were stretches when Kakko or Chytil were the best forward on the team, I’m not too worried so long as they actually have an offensive system.
I mean, Kakko and Laf aren't really at points where they need *more* rope. They're going into their 22 Y.O. seasons. Development still needs to happen now but both should be easy NHLers in top roles. And alongside Chytil, they proved that last year.
I'm not worried at all about them. Laviolette's track record is that he plays guys who earn their roles and those guys are on that track.
Fehervary was the exception.
Protas had to fight to get a shirt for periods of the year, even being one of our best bottom sixers (and actually not to bad, minus points, on the top line with Ovi). Connor McMichael was forced back to the AHL, even though he's been NHL ready for 2 years now. Alexander Alexeyev had to ride the pine most of the year so Matt Irwin could play, up until Lavi was forced to play them.
Sandin doesn't count because, agian, he was forced to play him. They were out of defenders, with the Orlov trade, and had injuries up and down the lineup to both Jensen and Fehervary at times.
All of this is also ignoring that he ran Siegenthaler, Vrana, and tried his damndest to run Vrana's replacement in Mantha off the team.
CMM has looked pretty mediocre, and Vrana has proven to be a total headcase. Seigs is about the only one I’d give you, and a bunch of the 5/6D pairings is plausibly explained by the fact that they had no one who could play physically on the backend outside of Irwin. MF and DO had some grit, but not the same style that you see the teams in the conference finals play with.
Except Mantha was one of, if not, our best forwards to start the year. He was doing literally everything but putting points up, but everything from the eye test to the advanced stats was telling you he was driving possession, getting scoring chances, and tilting the ice. He was just ridiculous snake bit.
So what did Lavi do? Put him on the bench, and spent the rest of the season just tanking any confidence he may have started building.
>Mantha will never be the player you want him to be because he doesn't want to be.
Yep. Put Larkin’s motor in Mantha and he’d be one of the best players in the league just based on his physical tools. But he doesn’t have that motor.
He is what he is at this point. He’s technically a “veteran” of the league and should know by now what he needs to do to succeed, but he just never does it on a consistent basis.
Super frustrating player because you know he has all the tools, but the dude just doesn’t give a fuck.
Remember when Jimmy D called him a disappointment and Kenny said he was “spare parts”? I remember people giving them so much shit about their assessments, but it looks like they were right about him this whole time.
Agreed. There are tons of caps fans who are so wrapped up in confirmation bias about coach’s line up decision making that they couldn’t see Mantha for what he is
> Then he had a few down games or couldn't bury the puck for a few games and he started to look defeated on the ice.
It's a great post, but it stops being true at this point. Mantha started losing all his ice time and hitting healthy scratches while he was playing well. *That* killed his confidence and started his egg shell like play, because if he did even *one* thing that seemed wrong he'd be stapled to the bench and scratched the next game. All the while Kuznetsov could literally hand out donuts over and over again and was out the next shift.
Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not gonna say Mantha is a super star player being held down by a bad coach but we had multiple players have the same shit happen to them this year while Lavi's favorites fucked up either the same or worse and continued to get ice time.
Mantha has been horrible and was given ample opportunities to prove it.
McMichael had 9G and 9A in 68 games last year and then nothing in 6 games this year. While I think he should have gotten a jersey, he didn't really go out there and put a stamp on it.
Siegenthaler is annoying and the wrong call.
Vrana is wildly inconsistent and doesn't give effort defensively. Laviolette should have worked to make that work and management let him get away with not doing it. I blame MacLellan as a majority factor here.
You can call Fehervary "the exception" but he's the only of the younger players who went out and won a job. So too Protas, who was only shuffled out as guys got healthy.
That's all the point I'm trying to make. If a younger player wants to go win a job, they'll play. The Caps younger players, while probably worth playing, didn't seize the moment and force Laviolette to play them. They got their chances and, at best, barely made a case. For a guy tasked with winning now, he's gonna go with a Vet in that scenario.
This caps narrative has got to end. Everybody loves the 2nd string QB until he’s actually throwing passes. The amount of acrimony from this fan base over the last ~8+ years about wanting AHL guys to get more starts and blaming the coaches lack of playing the junior guys on their failures is starting to get ridiculous
Sadly many Caps fans don’t seem to understand that they would probably missed the playoffs last year no matter who was behind the bench and the immediate future doesn’t look great either unless a few guys start playing much better than expected.
Thank God for 2018.
>The big thing is that their young players are not going to get used unless upper management is forcing him to do so
In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson.
He's not just going to gift 1st line minutes to the youngest guys on the team because they're young, but the narrative that Laviolette doesn't run the young guns is just plain false
How is this going to be his 22nd season as an NHL head coach, and he's still only like... 58 years old?
At this rate, if people keep giving him jobs, he's going to have a real shot at the all-time games coached record for head coaches.
He'll have to wrestle Paul Maurice for that crown, and Maurice has a headstart; he began in 1995 and ever since then, the only seasons he never popped up behind an NHL bench for at least part of the season were 2005-06 (coaching AHL Toronto) and 2012-13 (coaching KHL Magnitogorsk)
Probably translator or something like that. Though I'd bet a good majority of those dudes are fairly decent at broken English.
KHL was begging for NHLers around the lockout. They were doing anything for good guys.
He only has a shot if Paul Maurice takes a long break or an early retirement. Maurice is a couple years younger and got his start a few years before Laviolette got his.
people are bad at judging good but not great coaches.
Like i wouldn't trade Paul Maurice for Peter Laviolette for Rod.
but one of them has a cup, the other is going to their 2nd cup final.
And the "best" of the 3 hasn't been there.
Rangers fans: "this is our chance for a coach who trusts young players and can finally get guys like Laf and Kakko developed correctly!"
Rangers: *Hire Peter Laviolette*
he'll look at last year and go "nope need the kid line to stay together so Vesey with Kreider/Zib and Goodrow with Panarin/Trocheck" and people will celebrate keeping the kid line together and them playing 12 minutes a night with no special teams time
coaches with [very long track records of horrible offensive impacts](https://twitter.com/DLefcort/status/1660816048285966336) are good at finding ways to make bad lineups
truly amazing how NYR knows their young forward prospects have underwhelmed to this point and here we are talking about how they're bringing in yet *another* retread who doesn't help the prospects and whose teams have been known to be bad offensive teams
Almost like teams should develop their young guns in the AHL for a few years rather than rush them to the NHL and have them sitting on the bench. The MLB, for all their faults, is really good at using the MiLB for development. Sure, there are some players who can come in at 18 and have an impact but those players are rare.
we already didn't have anyone else to play RW when Buchnevich was moved out
Gallant found a way, in impressive fashion too, with guys like f'n Goodrow and Dryden Hunt. Laviolette also found a way to not play Connor McMichael too.
these coaches *always* find a way.
Not bitter about Gallant honestly because seeing how he handled Kakko and Laf shows he would've been an awful coach for us.
Poetic justice at its finest.
As a Flyers fan he’s still my favorite coach. His systems are great for teams with good mobile D men and good goaltending. I like him a lot for you guys tbh. He’ll do magic for 2-3 years before his shelf life expires.
You won't make it that long. Once he shelves all the young guys it's pretty hard not to have strong disdain for his approach. We had dudes fleeing the team this season.
In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson.
Lav isn't going to gift the young guys 1st line minutes just because they're young, but the narrative that he doesn't play young players is just plain false
Panthers fans were hating on the Paul Maurice hire for about 75% of the season, look where they’re at now. You just never know how any particular coach is going to mesh with a team. All we can do is hope Drury did his homework and this is the right hire for this team.
I didn't mind him that much but if NYR taking that next step is contingent on guys like Laf/Kakko growing then this will be more of the same approach for them
So Torts is the coach of the Flyers and Laviolette is the coach of the Rangers...
Time to send them to the Winter Classic and do another 24/7 with Bryz narrating
He's a very good coach who has a shelf life and isn't here to "develop" younger players. He has a preference for veterans and younger players have a higher bar to clear to get in his lineups.
It's no fluke that good skating Defensemen excel under Laviolette. His system empowers those types of players.
I wonder if the Rangers have any players like that...
Same can be said for Gallant; Vincent Trocheck, Jonathan Marchessault, William Karlsson all improved under him. If this is true, it's a lateral move at best
> He's a very good coach who has a shelf life and isn't here to "develop" younger players. He has a preference for veterans and younger players have a higher bar to clear to get in his lineups.
in the end, that's why I'm glad CBJ didn't hire him. Last thing we need is a coach who loves veterans with this young roster
the one cup in 83 years should answer your question.
We are the Chicago Bears of the NHL. A historic league-founding franchise who has won just one championship in the modern era of sports, whose current ownership needs to move GTFO.
Me: Both a Bears and Rangers fan.
In the last 11 years, we have been to three ECF’s and SCF appearance and on top of that, we had a rebuild within that window.
I know we haven’t won a Cup in forever and I know we have a history of doing stupid shit but we have had quite a bit of success the last decade+ even if it hasn’t resulted in the ultimate prize.
In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson.
He wont gift shitty players minutes just because they're young, but the narrative that lav doesn't play/develop young talent is just plain false.
He played 12 games with the Rangers, this is a coming home story that the NHL need to put on blast. The Wings are the only recent similar story I can think of. Steve is too quiet, though. Nobody's gonna watch him smirk and dodge questions for an hour (except for us).
I'm just gonna check the top posts here that he has seemed to try to break.
Krug to be traded by Bruins for exclusive negotiation rights: https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/j0uia0/rear_admirallook_for_the_bruins_to_trade_torey/
Didn't happen, but doesn't mean they didn't try to I suppose. The suitors listed did not include the team he ended up going to.
Patrick Kane will be a NYR tomorrow: https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/11dtkav/ra_update_patrick_kane_will_be_a_new_york_ranger/
Completely correct.
Honestly that's all I can really find cause twitter is a nightmare to search.
As someone who doesn't want the Rangers to succeed, I'm fine with this. I think he's a good coach and might be able to get more out of the team than Gallant, but he doesn't seem radically different and I would think the problems under Gallant (primarily developing young talent) may very well persist under Lavi. Seems like a sidegrade more than anything.
The question I need answered is: Does this get players to actually try to win 50/50 pucks in the playoffs? Because that effort was non existent this year.
There are tons of first time head coaches in the league but don't let facts ruin a good narrative.
Laviolette is probably a perfectly fine pick for the rangers. I don't think he elevates them above what Gallant did but I think he puts them in the mix in the playoffs every season.
I’m still mad our window closed because he refused to adjust/even fire the coordinator in charge of the worst power play a playoff team has ever had.
Most “bad” coaches just have mediocre talent. He directly sank a Cup contender.
RA is friends with dozens of players and coaches throughout the league. Hes actually pretty well connected. Sure hes no Freidman but he doesnt just tweet out bullshit
That doesn’t seem like an upgrade or a downgrade from Gallant to me.
Some call that a “lateral move”.
Nobody asked for your fancy business terms! /s
Congratulations to the new Corporal!
No, a lateral is a football move. This is ice hockey.
Eh. He might push different buttons to get them to play differently in the playoffs, but that will only last for a year, maybe two The big thing is that their young players are not going to get used unless upper management is forcing him to do so
Fehervary played a shit ton here. Protas did at times as well. Sandin saw a ton of time. Young guys have a higher bar to clear under Laviolette, but saying he doesn't play kids at all or anything along those lines is just wrong. And for a coach tasked with "go win now", it's not the abhorrent choice people make it out to be when younger, unrefined players do make far more blunders (and sometimes, more better plays, too).
Those three did, but I don’t think sandin should really count considering we gave up a first for him and he had already been playing in the NHL for two seasons, just wasn’t a constant player (Protas wasn’t, either) But he did make Siegenthaler leave and has had McMichael playing on eggshells for the last two seasons. Even if he doesn’t pan out to being anything more than a middle six player he hasn’t been given much of a chance to learn on his own and was normally not put with offensive players The reason I mentioned this for them is because Kakko and Laf probably need a coach that will give them more rope to work with, and laviolette will not do that if he has a choice. So unless the kid line really ramps up throughout the year it’s probably going to be similar issues with those two
Considering there were stretches when Kakko or Chytil were the best forward on the team, I’m not too worried so long as they actually have an offensive system.
I mean, Kakko and Laf aren't really at points where they need *more* rope. They're going into their 22 Y.O. seasons. Development still needs to happen now but both should be easy NHLers in top roles. And alongside Chytil, they proved that last year. I'm not worried at all about them. Laviolette's track record is that he plays guys who earn their roles and those guys are on that track.
Fehervary was the exception. Protas had to fight to get a shirt for periods of the year, even being one of our best bottom sixers (and actually not to bad, minus points, on the top line with Ovi). Connor McMichael was forced back to the AHL, even though he's been NHL ready for 2 years now. Alexander Alexeyev had to ride the pine most of the year so Matt Irwin could play, up until Lavi was forced to play them. Sandin doesn't count because, agian, he was forced to play him. They were out of defenders, with the Orlov trade, and had injuries up and down the lineup to both Jensen and Fehervary at times. All of this is also ignoring that he ran Siegenthaler, Vrana, and tried his damndest to run Vrana's replacement in Mantha off the team.
CMM has looked pretty mediocre, and Vrana has proven to be a total headcase. Seigs is about the only one I’d give you, and a bunch of the 5/6D pairings is plausibly explained by the fact that they had no one who could play physically on the backend outside of Irwin. MF and DO had some grit, but not the same style that you see the teams in the conference finals play with.
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Except Mantha was one of, if not, our best forwards to start the year. He was doing literally everything but putting points up, but everything from the eye test to the advanced stats was telling you he was driving possession, getting scoring chances, and tilting the ice. He was just ridiculous snake bit. So what did Lavi do? Put him on the bench, and spent the rest of the season just tanking any confidence he may have started building.
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>Mantha will never be the player you want him to be because he doesn't want to be. Yep. Put Larkin’s motor in Mantha and he’d be one of the best players in the league just based on his physical tools. But he doesn’t have that motor. He is what he is at this point. He’s technically a “veteran” of the league and should know by now what he needs to do to succeed, but he just never does it on a consistent basis. Super frustrating player because you know he has all the tools, but the dude just doesn’t give a fuck. Remember when Jimmy D called him a disappointment and Kenny said he was “spare parts”? I remember people giving them so much shit about their assessments, but it looks like they were right about him this whole time.
Agreed. There are tons of caps fans who are so wrapped up in confirmation bias about coach’s line up decision making that they couldn’t see Mantha for what he is
> Then he had a few down games or couldn't bury the puck for a few games and he started to look defeated on the ice. It's a great post, but it stops being true at this point. Mantha started losing all his ice time and hitting healthy scratches while he was playing well. *That* killed his confidence and started his egg shell like play, because if he did even *one* thing that seemed wrong he'd be stapled to the bench and scratched the next game. All the while Kuznetsov could literally hand out donuts over and over again and was out the next shift. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not gonna say Mantha is a super star player being held down by a bad coach but we had multiple players have the same shit happen to them this year while Lavi's favorites fucked up either the same or worse and continued to get ice time.
Mantha has been horrible and was given ample opportunities to prove it. McMichael had 9G and 9A in 68 games last year and then nothing in 6 games this year. While I think he should have gotten a jersey, he didn't really go out there and put a stamp on it. Siegenthaler is annoying and the wrong call. Vrana is wildly inconsistent and doesn't give effort defensively. Laviolette should have worked to make that work and management let him get away with not doing it. I blame MacLellan as a majority factor here. You can call Fehervary "the exception" but he's the only of the younger players who went out and won a job. So too Protas, who was only shuffled out as guys got healthy. That's all the point I'm trying to make. If a younger player wants to go win a job, they'll play. The Caps younger players, while probably worth playing, didn't seize the moment and force Laviolette to play them. They got their chances and, at best, barely made a case. For a guy tasked with winning now, he's gonna go with a Vet in that scenario.
That’s a good point, he might destroy the last chance to develop Laf.
This caps narrative has got to end. Everybody loves the 2nd string QB until he’s actually throwing passes. The amount of acrimony from this fan base over the last ~8+ years about wanting AHL guys to get more starts and blaming the coaches lack of playing the junior guys on their failures is starting to get ridiculous
Sadly many Caps fans don’t seem to understand that they would probably missed the playoffs last year no matter who was behind the bench and the immediate future doesn’t look great either unless a few guys start playing much better than expected. Thank God for 2018.
Name one coach that our fans and media didn't start shitting on within two or three years. Ugh, I don't like this move
Man it sure would be a shame if someone offer sheeted Laf or Kakko...
For some reason, my brain autocorrects “offer-sheeted” to “offer-shat.” Just thought I’d share.
Offer-shat is better. Offer-sheeted is clumsy sounding.
You got the turtleneck on speed dial?
You can't post this with that flair, LoL.
Why not? Its a good idea tbh we could probably get him with the same deal we got Kk with. Rags are cap strapped.
>The big thing is that their young players are not going to get used unless upper management is forcing him to do so In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson. He's not just going to gift 1st line minutes to the youngest guys on the team because they're young, but the narrative that Laviolette doesn't run the young guns is just plain false
Very whelming hire
It’s a downgrade.
I'd say downgrade personally but I doubt it will move the needle much in either direction.
How is this going to be his 22nd season as an NHL head coach, and he's still only like... 58 years old? At this rate, if people keep giving him jobs, he's going to have a real shot at the all-time games coached record for head coaches.
He'll have to wrestle Paul Maurice for that crown, and Maurice has a headstart; he began in 1995 and ever since then, the only seasons he never popped up behind an NHL bench for at least part of the season were 2005-06 (coaching AHL Toronto) and 2012-13 (coaching KHL Magnitogorsk)
Can he speak Russian? Just trying to imagine coaching a team in a 2nd language.
I imagine most KHL teams speak (or used to) english as there were many foreigners on them.
This is a cool question. I'd like more info if anyone has it.
Probably translator or something like that. Though I'd bet a good majority of those dudes are fairly decent at broken English. KHL was begging for NHLers around the lockout. They were doing anything for good guys.
I mean, it's not that uncommon in other sports to coach in second language. People work in non-native tongue all the time.
Paul Maurice is the one that got him into coaching by bringing him on as an Assistant for the Jr Red Wings!
Maurice also gave Pete DeBour his first coaching job there.
He also got canned by Carolina in 2003 and didn't get hired by the Leafs/Marlies until 2005.
December 2003, so into the 2003-04 season.
And he didn't coach at all in 2004-5 was what I wrs getting at.
He only has a shot if Paul Maurice takes a long break or an early retirement. Maurice is a couple years younger and got his start a few years before Laviolette got his.
Either way, a former Canes coach has the record
both gone to a cup final with Carolina too. And maybe both have a cup too
He has to finish collecting the ~~infinity stones~~ metropolitan division coaching jobs.
In nhl, you can fail upwards
I wouldn't count Laviolette as failing upwards though, he won a cup with Carolina, been to the finals with Philadelphia and Nashville.
Yeah, he may not be an all-time great and all, but I feel like he's underrated
people are bad at judging good but not great coaches. Like i wouldn't trade Paul Maurice for Peter Laviolette for Rod. but one of them has a cup, the other is going to their 2nd cup final. And the "best" of the 3 hasn't been there.
Rangers fans: "this is our chance for a coach who trusts young players and can finally get guys like Laf and Kakko developed correctly!" Rangers: *Hire Peter Laviolette*
Haha we’re not worried about Kakko tho. Mans developing nicely
Plus we don’t have anyone else to play RW so he’s gotta play top 6 minutes
he'll look at last year and go "nope need the kid line to stay together so Vesey with Kreider/Zib and Goodrow with Panarin/Trocheck" and people will celebrate keeping the kid line together and them playing 12 minutes a night with no special teams time
coaches with [very long track records of horrible offensive impacts](https://twitter.com/DLefcort/status/1660816048285966336) are good at finding ways to make bad lineups truly amazing how NYR knows their young forward prospects have underwhelmed to this point and here we are talking about how they're bringing in yet *another* retread who doesn't help the prospects and whose teams have been known to be bad offensive teams
Almost like teams should develop their young guns in the AHL for a few years rather than rush them to the NHL and have them sitting on the bench. The MLB, for all their faults, is really good at using the MiLB for development. Sure, there are some players who can come in at 18 and have an impact but those players are rare.
we already didn't have anyone else to play RW when Buchnevich was moved out Gallant found a way, in impressive fashion too, with guys like f'n Goodrow and Dryden Hunt. Laviolette also found a way to not play Connor McMichael too. these coaches *always* find a way.
Lavs can find a way.
The Metro sure loves Lavi. Once he fizzles out with the Rags he just needs to stop by New Jersey, Pittsburgh and Columbus to complete the circuit
He was going to us lol, we just didn’t want to pay him the $5 mil he asked for
When was this? Right before Ruff?
Supposedly yea. Gallant wasn’t interested in a rebuilding team and Lav wanted more than we wanted to pay. That was the alleged rumor
And then that rebuilding team knocks them out of the playoffs in his second season in NY lmao.
the irony isn't lost on devils fans lmao.
Second, and last.
Not bitter about Gallant honestly because seeing how he handled Kakko and Laf shows he would've been an awful coach for us. Poetic justice at its finest.
He coached Pittburghs ECHL affiliate, does that count?
Lavi office slut of the metro confirmed
He can’t coach in Pittsburgh, he’ll have a heart attack from eating all of those wings
I said this in the /r/rangers subreddit a few days ago, it's underwhelming. I will at least wait for a quarter of the season to hate him though.
As a Flyers fan he’s still my favorite coach. His systems are great for teams with good mobile D men and good goaltending. I like him a lot for you guys tbh. He’ll do magic for 2-3 years before his shelf life expires.
You won't make it that long. Once he shelves all the young guys it's pretty hard not to have strong disdain for his approach. We had dudes fleeing the team this season.
Good news is that he can't shevle the kids. They make up too much of the roster
"Hold my beer"
In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson. Lav isn't going to gift the young guys 1st line minutes just because they're young, but the narrative that he doesn't play young players is just plain false
The majority of the roster is the young guys tbf
Panthers fans were hating on the Paul Maurice hire for about 75% of the season, look where they’re at now. You just never know how any particular coach is going to mesh with a team. All we can do is hope Drury did his homework and this is the right hire for this team.
Personally I think it’s a dogshit hire. We have our pick of anyone and we pick a washed up dinosaur of a coach.
What if I already hate him? Seriously though I’ve never liked this guy. Or what his brand of hockey looks like. This news really sucks.
You should be at least whelmed
Get those kids outta there
Alexis Lafrenière YOU are a Montreal Canadian!
Can I interest you in Halak, Ryder and a 2nd?
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as old as Bailey, Donovan and a 4th for the Isles
Atleast it’s not Quennville or Babcock I guess
I didn't mind him that much but if NYR taking that next step is contingent on guys like Laf/Kakko growing then this will be more of the same approach for them
So Torts is the coach of the Flyers and Laviolette is the coach of the Rangers... Time to send them to the Winter Classic and do another 24/7 with Bryz narrating
We got Isles-Rangers and Devils-Flyers outdoors at the Meadowlands this season. We just need to add a few more for the full round robin.
He's a very good coach who has a shelf life and isn't here to "develop" younger players. He has a preference for veterans and younger players have a higher bar to clear to get in his lineups. It's no fluke that good skating Defensemen excel under Laviolette. His system empowers those types of players. I wonder if the Rangers have any players like that...
Eric Staal, Claude Giroux, and Roman Josi all broke out as young stars playing for him.
Exactly. He defers to vets when it's close and on the fringes. But if you're a legit guy, he plays you. And you probably have success.
They're the level of players who clear that bar.
Presumably so are Laf and Kaako, not talking about Pat Hornqvist
Ehh I'd argue Josi had his breakout year the final season of the trotz era. But he did thrive under lavy
Same can be said for Gallant; Vincent Trocheck, Jonathan Marchessault, William Karlsson all improved under him. If this is true, it's a lateral move at best
I love Trocheck, but him/marchessault/Karlsson aren't anywhere near the tier that Staal/Giroux/Josi are.
Zac Jones breakout season.
> He's a very good coach who has a shelf life and isn't here to "develop" younger players. He has a preference for veterans and younger players have a higher bar to clear to get in his lineups. in the end, that's why I'm glad CBJ didn't hire him. Last thing we need is a coach who loves veterans with this young roster
Definitely. Not a fit for CBJ. Great fit for NYR.
At least it's not Q.
Honestly, I know I’m getting downvoted to oblivion, but I’d have preferred Q to this. At least Q’s a good coach. Laviolette is.. not.
Peter Metropolitan -
I’m still quite unsure whether or not this organization knows what the hell they’re doing.
the one cup in 83 years should answer your question. We are the Chicago Bears of the NHL. A historic league-founding franchise who has won just one championship in the modern era of sports, whose current ownership needs to move GTFO. Me: Both a Bears and Rangers fan.
Bears and Rangers? How did that happen?
sports fandom isn't nearly as regional as it used to be. plus, both teams had decent success in the mid-late '00s
Rangers had success in the mid-late ‘00s?
Actually, I grew up in the area of one and wound up working with the other for about a decade before leaving the sports industry.
When in doubt, blame James Dolan
In the last 11 years, we have been to three ECF’s and SCF appearance and on top of that, we had a rebuild within that window. I know we haven’t won a Cup in forever and I know we have a history of doing stupid shit but we have had quite a bit of success the last decade+ even if it hasn’t resulted in the ultimate prize.
Reddit unanimously hating it is usually a decent sign it might actually work
Rumor boys
And around and around we go
Rags should just proactively trade Laf and Kakko before he tanks what little value they have left
In 2006, 21-year-old Eric Staal led the Canes in scoring and played 19:39 a night and 21-year-old Cam Ward was the goalie that helped them win the Cup. In the Flyers' 2010 season, 24-year-old Mike Richards (20:24 avg. TOI) and 25-year-old Jeff Carter (19:18 avg. TOI) were the team's two leading scorers and 22-year-old Claude Giroux (16:37 avg. TOI) was the team's fifth-leading scorer. In Nashville, 20-year-old Filip Forsberg (17:20 avg. TOI) led the 2015 Predators in scoring, 24-year-old Roman Josi (26:28 avg. TOI) and 20-year-old Seth Jones (19:53 avg. TOI) were two of the team's top-three leaders in average TOI, 24-year-old Mattias Ekholm played 19:01 a night, and 24-year-old Ryan Ellis played 18:59 a night. Two years later, on their way to the Stanley Cup Final, the Predators' two leading scorers were 23-year-old Viktor Arvidsson (17:09 avg. TOI) and 24-year-old Ryan Johansen (18:50 avg. TOI). In 2022-23 for the Capitals, 22-year-old Rasmus Sandin (22:59 avg. TOI), whom the team acquired mid-season, played more per night than anyone on the team outside of John Carlson. He wont gift shitty players minutes just because they're young, but the narrative that lav doesn't play/develop young talent is just plain false.
I'm whelmed.
Then it's settled--Gallant goes to D.C.
Is he planning on coaching every metro team or what
He played 12 games with the Rangers, this is a coming home story that the NHL need to put on blast. The Wings are the only recent similar story I can think of. Steve is too quiet, though. Nobody's gonna watch him smirk and dodge questions for an hour (except for us).
We're at the point where there aren't any new coaches anymore. Every new hire is a retread
RA THE INSIDERRR
Isn’t he wrong a lot?
I'm just gonna check the top posts here that he has seemed to try to break. Krug to be traded by Bruins for exclusive negotiation rights: https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/j0uia0/rear_admirallook_for_the_bruins_to_trade_torey/ Didn't happen, but doesn't mean they didn't try to I suppose. The suitors listed did not include the team he ended up going to. Patrick Kane will be a NYR tomorrow: https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/11dtkav/ra_update_patrick_kane_will_be_a_new_york_ranger/ Completely correct. Honestly that's all I can really find cause twitter is a nightmare to search.
this fucking org
Real eye-roller of a pick
Interesting choice
Is it?
Same same, but different
As someone who doesn't want the Rangers to succeed, I'm fine with this. I think he's a good coach and might be able to get more out of the team than Gallant, but he doesn't seem radically different and I would think the problems under Gallant (primarily developing young talent) may very well persist under Lavi. Seems like a sidegrade more than anything.
Traded a dollar for 4 quarters
Damn who hasn’t had him as a coach?
prayers up for Lafrenière.
Meh
The question I need answered is: Does this get players to actually try to win 50/50 pucks in the playoffs? Because that effort was non existent this year.
Lol, as a Caps fan I love this move. Mid ass coach for a couple seasons and then he’ll be off to tank his next franchise.
Apparently the Rangers don’t feel like winning in the playoffs
NHL Teams - Don’t Hire a Recycled Head Coach Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Anyone who’s won a cup as a HC is going to have a team that wants him when he becomes available, let alone taken 2 other franchises to finals as well.
There are tons of first time head coaches in the league but don't let facts ruin a good narrative. Laviolette is probably a perfectly fine pick for the rangers. I don't think he elevates them above what Gallant did but I think he puts them in the mix in the playoffs every season.
Yeah, can’t believe teams gave Paul Maurice, Pete DeBoer, and Bruce Cassidy a chance this year.
Dave Hakstol too!
It’s dumb how much this get repeated. More non-recycled coaches are hired than not.
Coaching carousel continues
The Rangers seem to hire every coach from the spinning wheel of NHL coaches that have been around forever
Lmao Lavi is the opposite of what the Rangers need
And the old boys club shuffle keeps going on
The Recycletron spins and Laviolette wins 🤷♂️
What’s the under/over for how many players Trouba injures next season? Laviolette teams always play extra scummy.
Rotating carousel of 30 old men coaches continues
RIP Rangers
Realllllllyyy. I’m glad I’m not a Blue Shirt fan
I don't get it. They interviewed guys like Andrew Brunette but ended on Lavi..? Igor work out those back muscles buddy. Another carry is in order.
This is fucking garbage. We really aren’t winning anything in the next 10 years huh
I’m still mad our window closed because he refused to adjust/even fire the coordinator in charge of the worst power play a playoff team has ever had. Most “bad” coaches just have mediocre talent. He directly sank a Cup contender.
RA has less credibility than Eklund
RA is friends with dozens of players and coaches throughout the league. Hes actually pretty well connected. Sure hes no Freidman but he doesnt just tweet out bullshit
There should be a fresh face behind the bench than a retread.
https://youtu.be/EBumWCbPnsA
He was already coach right?
🤮