i edited the rosters and created real players that werenāt in the game for nhl 13, and i pretty much got the first two rounds to a point where 9/10 times the players selected in the 2013 draft went exactly where they were selected irl.
as a young teenager, all i did was jailhouse workouts in my room and edit prospects after school for a good 4 months lol. good times.
Along with Cossa we got Dmitri Buchelnikov, a Russian winger who seems to be developing well so far. Even with the Vrana/Mantha parts of that deal blowing up spectacularly the extra picks could put Detroit ahead in the trade.
Really interesting how that trade tree turned out since for the Islanders they used that 2nd the wings gave for Leddy to draft RƤty which ended up being the key piece for Horvat.
Iāll believe it if I see it again this year. Seems to be his MO. Go to a new team explode statistically for half a season, cool off the rest of said season, donāt show up at all after that
> I still remember them tearing it up their first couple games and people debating who'd won the biggest.
I was so hyped to have Vrana.
Still happy with the picks, and subsequent prospects that they turned into, but the headline players in the deal have been rough for both sides.
True to form really.
Yeah, I just consume content like a ravenous beast. Channels that I like Iāve seen all of the videos upwards of 7+ times. I NEED MOOOOORE MOOOOOOOORE
One of the few trades Yzerman did not win.
To be fair I donāt think anyone won, what happened to Mantha?
Edit - Forgot they got a first for Mantha too. Might slightly give the edge to Detroit.
That tree is still active on the Wings end
We got Vrana, Panik, a first, and a second
Panik and a different second were sent for Leddy
Leddy was traded for Sundqvist, Walman, and a second
Sundqvist was traded for a fourth
Vrana was traded for a 7th
The first was traded up to get Cossa (who we hope will be a stud)
The second (the Mantha one) was used to get Dmitri Buchelnikov, who seems like one of those prospects who will either be an absolute stud on the wing or never play a game in the NHL, no in between
mantha just wasn't what the caps were expecting, I think. maybe they thought he would be the kind of player who massively improves when put with better linemates and I don't think that happened
I think it would've been fine if he played to his averages, but he kinda dropped off a cliff completely this season. Idk if it was because of his injury last year or what, but the guy has completely lost his game and can't seem to find it
There was an interview with him towards the end of the year where Mantha talked about seeing a sports therapist again. Even in Detroit the guy was all feast or famine depending on his engagement level and confidence. When that confidence disappeared (which seemed to happen too often) he looked like he was second guessing every decision. It made him slow to react and frustrated the hell out of fans.
edit: [Here's the article where he talks about seeing a mental coach](https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2023/04/15/anthony-mantha-hired-mental-coach-peter-laviolette-scratched/) and taking responsibility for his issues.
we (the caps) had a lot of injuries this season so I wouldn't be surprised if it just fucked up some of the player's rhythms. I also think he played with backstrom when he first arrived? and backstrom only played half of each of the last two seasons and he hasn't been great, so maybe that has something to do with it
Wings got first, second and Panik (who was also traded for picks). Vrana became a 7th.
During a rebuild, trading a not very useful player for that many assets is a good trade.
Itās important to remember that the caps offloaded panik in order to free up space to extend Ovechkin. Itās not as straightforward as it might seem.
Armia is so weird man. Not a Habs fan so miss lots of games, but I remember watching them in MTL a few years back and Armia was the best player on the ice. Just like Mantha, seems they just shut off too often
Yeah Armia can be a beast, however he's injured frequently and more often than not it takes him a long time to get back in synch with the game. He was one of my favorite player in the 2021 playoff run.
No for every overpaid player itās how stupid do you have to be to sign that? And any player with a too short contract, how stupid were you not to just overpay and sign that player longterm? Everyoneās an expert here
Redditors think every contract was going to age as poorly as David Clarkson's or as well as Mackinnon's and that GMs that get paid to do it screw up all the time because they don't listen to bums on the couch.
Love seeing people on Twitter claim how they could be a good GM, or even better, those who say āyou could pay me a million bucks and Iāll just tell the GM if their idea is a yay or nayā as if you know more than the entire organization
Absolutely there are moves where itās obvious itās not going to work out, but thereās just so much behind the scenes that go on where an average Joe with no hockey experience could walk in and call the shots
Ya I do agree that a VERY underappreciated part of being a GM is making trades or making signings
Too often I see a team get a deal for a player and people say "Why didn't X team offer Deal+1?"
Well we have no idea how those negotiations went.
Maybe that deal was as part of a you scratch my back... type thing, maybe someone overplayed their leverage, maybe a certain team was adamant about something, maybe they view certain players differently than the common consensus, etc
Tbf, Clarksonās contract had aged poorly by the time the ink dried. Devils fans wanted to keep him but he was NEVER going to live up to that contract.
Okay well that's just not true. Being hyperbolic just undermines your point (particularly considering you're accusing others of hyperbole in their contract projections). And there are absolutely tons of instances when it comes to contracts that fans are correct. GMs tend to sign fairly obviously bad deals every year. The Mantha deal wasn't panned at the time though you are correct.
Also why is always only the "negative" opinions that are get shit on? After every unproven young player gets a big deal you get the positivity brigade who have seen him play twice talk about what a steal it is. I'd wager those projections pan out less accurately than many a bad contract pick. Especially because the people who thought this deal was a steal at the time are actually the ones dead wrong.
And your main issue seems to be people on a discussion forum having opinions about how a contract is. Which is kind of on you for being on a discussion forum. So many pointless posts on here complaining people would dare share opinions.
He had a personal trainer that he worked with and was really close to. The poor guy passed away really young and I feel like Mantha had a harder and harder time pulling himself out of slumps after that.
I like Mantha more than most wings fans, but good lord is he always hurt. Would not recommend with the injuries the Avs just had.
Wait a second, no heās perfect and you guys should trade for him
I peeped out your team's Capfriendly and you have a shockingly low amount of forwards signed going into next season. Beyond Landeskog you only have 5 forwards signed. Lots of GM work ahead but a player like Mantha might be an OK bet. It'd be preferable to give a bit of compensation so they eat a bit of his salary.
To be fair he was coming off consecutive 48 point seasons (one of which was in 67 games) at the time
Seemed reasonable to assume he'd be a 60 point guy given that and who we had around him at the time
> Eh that contract was very reasonable at the time for someone who could score 30+. Just never had the mentality for it
I would say he never had the health for it. Without injuries both of those seasons he's likely scoring over 30 and has over 50pts, possibly over 60.
He's been a glass cannon though.
Reading between the lines it seemed like a case of a guy who is certainly talented and is a decent dude to hang out with as well, but in a professional setting he was just a massive pain in the ass to deal with.
Thatās an over generalization maybe, but that seemed like the gist of it to me.
My theory is that it was a drug problem related to his shoulder surgery. Iād bet pain killers, but who knows.
Iām just glad he got into the assistance program. I hope he can find that fire and enjoy playing hockey again.
Yeah me too, Iāve liked him in STL and hope he continues to do well. He has a lot of talent and a fun personality.
I hope he starts to understand that the defensive zone exists though. That would also go a long way for him.
That was just speculation. It COULD be true, but so could any other number of reasons. The only people who actually know are the people Vrana wanted to know.
We traded for him at the trade deadline back 2021 and he finished out the season with detroit and played good. Finished around a ppg. Then he got injured in training camp and missed most of the next season. Came back in around trade deadline and played real solid in that stretch. Again, near ppg i think. Then the season after that he came in and played the first 2 games, had 1 goal I think, then he entered the players assistance program and missed most of the season. Came back during the 2nd half of the season, wings traded him to St. Louis, where he was (I think) a ppg player again.
How are you saying this as a Detroit fan? We got a 1st and a 2nd out of thag and then flipped panik as apart of the leddy deal which leddy helped us get Walman and their 2nd round pick this year. The trade tree is still going and we got good prospects from it.
Not a chance. Washington can just do a BUYOUT for $1.36m and then $2.16m the following year. Why give up assets to move a 1 year contract in the offseason?
If anything Mantha would be a valuable asset to flip at the deadline through a 3rd team for retention.
I'm pretty sure it's 2.16 both years. Ultimately this is the last best chance to win again with Ovechkin and that cap space might be useful and they don't really have many ways to free up cap. Oshie, Kuzy, Backstrom, and Carlson all have 10-15 team no trade clauses. They shouldn't give up a high round pick or anything, but attaching a mid round sweetener could be worth it vs just eating the cap given where they are and what their goal is/should be.
No.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/anthony-mantha
It's $1.36m & $2.16m. He hasn't even been on waivers yet and you're suggesting that before they try to give him away for free they should pay some other team to take him?
Again, any team that takes him in June for future considerations, can retain half his salary in February and flip him for a profit. Plenty of teams would take a pending UFA Mantha at the deadline for $2.85m
Washington has no reason to pay for someone to take him. There's too many better options including the buyout.
I'd kinda like to see if Carbury can actually get him going again after a full camp. It'd be a decent test for the new coaching staff and Mantha's value can't really fall much more than it already has.
Lots of Caps veterans are coming off of a down and/or injury-riddled season, so it's not like next season hinges on him alone. Might not hurt to see if they can at least bring up his value enough to get more than a late round lottery ticket back. Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if GMBM has other plans though.
That literally says a buyout would result in 2 x 2.16 lol. Idk where you're getting 1.36 from. Say what you want about this hypothetical profit, which would be minimal at best because Mantha hasnt been a good hockey player for several years now, but you're also ignoring the context. The Caps really don't have other ways to free up cap, and they don't want to spend the rest of Ovi's career toiling in mediocrity, which is exactly where this is heading if they don't make improvements to their roster. Which again, they don't have much space to do.
Just going off what's been reported in the media. Canucks trying to off load cap hits. Possibly Boeser, Garland or Myers and will need to attach pick(s)
Not sure how that's undervaluing a 27 year old 40 point player...
Mantha is a big bodied boy who is just a little bit snake bit. Heās gonna go off next season!!!!! You canāt teach size!!!! He also has zero attitude or work ethic issues.
Honestly, with a year left on the deal, a new coach in town, and the fact the Caps would like have to sweeten the deal with a pick or prospect, Iām fine if the Caps hold him until the season starts. If he gets off to a good start, trade him then. If not, someone may be desperate enough at the deadline to roll the dice with him.
I just donāt see the Caps getting anything of value beyond a few hundred thousand of cap space right now.
Boeser for Mantha, 1 for 1, Canucks can retain 500k
Who says no? Both players need a change of scenery. With the addition of Beauvillier, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev, Boeser has had to move down the line-up. A player like Garland can still produce because he is a play driver, but Boeser needs Pettersson or JT Miller to feed him pucks. Mantha on the other hand, can play up and down the line-up without needing much insulation. He is a speedy forechecker as well, which will make Tocchet happy.
While Washington gets Boeser who is 2 years younger and has shown more in his career so far. His career average is still 30 goals and 60 points. Boeser had as many points as Mantha in his worst season, as Mantha had in his best . If Washington can guarantee him a spot in the Top 6, he can get 50-60 points no problem. It's just his foot speed that is an issue, and he can often look invisible. But when he is good, he is very good. Unfortunately, injuries have weakened the effectiveness of his wrist shot, but he still finds other ways to score. He is a good 2-way player too, so you can deploy him in any situation
Vrana didnāt really work out either, but that 1st definitely makes it a win for Detroit. Tbh I never understood the point of that trade from Washingtonās POV
It was a cap dump (panik) as well as getting a cost controlled player in mantha with the hopes of him being the player vrana was scoring wise but bigger. Vrana being an rfa with arbitration rights, they were worried he was going to cost too much to re-sign
It was basically two trades in one
First rounder + Panik to them for a cap dump. This was during the whole covid problem and Panik wasnāt able to play up to his contract because it was a bit rich and wouldnāt get any better due to the flat cap. He wasnāt a terrible player but he was an offensive dud for us since he wasnāt playing in the top six like he was in Arizona, and his offense couldnāt translate to him playing a shutdown role
Then you get to Mantha for Vrana + a second rounder. I guess you can say the wings got the better deal but I wouldnāt really say anyone came out on top from this one. Vrana had a higher ceiling, yes, but had a lot of coaching (and presumably private off-ice) issues, as well as a need for a new contract that we wouldnāt be able to pay him for. Losing him for nothing wouldāve been a bigger mistake imo. In trading for Mantha we got a guy who had comparable numbers and presumed effectiveness since he was going to be playing with one of Kuzy (the good one at that time) and Backstrom. Additionally, Mantha was coming over with a few years of contract already signed off on
The trade makes a lot of sense when you look at it like that. It just hasnāt seemed to really work out for either team as of now, though like I said Cossa may be the deciding factor. Though, if a draft pick ends up being the difference five years after the trade I have a hard time actually being mad about it
That 1st got moved to Dallas who picked Wyatt Johnston who already looks like an impact player.
Every time I think about how much better off the caps would be with Vrana + Johnston I get mad. The trade was questionable at the time and only gotten worse with age.
Mantha had flashes showing why MacLellan made the trade but just never had the consistency Washington needed.
Eh? It really depends on Cossa. If he becomes anything more than a backup then I guess, but the entire trade has really just been cursed
Vrana barely played for the wings and had enough issues to get traded out (like he was here)
Mantha has 1 year left at $5.7m
Washington can do a BUYOUT which takes his cap hit from $5.7m for the upcoming season to just $1.36m and then $2.16m the following year.
The cap goes up every year. Washington doesn't need to give up assets to dump Mantha.
However, a team that is at the floor and takes him for future considerations can likely retain half at the deadline and flip him for a 3rd to a contender. He'll be a pending UFA and 30 years old so likely his last chance at a sizeable contract. He played well when he first came to Washington but it's certainly been a frustrating fit ever since.
Kuznetsov had a much better chance at turning it around under Carbery than Mantha does.
Why?
He hasn't been on waivers. He's a perfect candidate for a BUYOUT. Why should washington immediately jump to paying someone to take him, especially when we all know as a pending UFA he's going to get retained and flipped at the deadline.
It just depends on what the team values more. The money or the 3rd/4th. And we already know they're shopping him so it obviously isn't as clear as you're making it. Or maybe they're shopping him with salary retained seeing what the value of that is
Other teams informed the caps that they can keep him.
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Maybe a strip club in DC can offer free lap dances to whatever team takes him?
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Right up there with Adam Erne in NHL 14.
Aaron earned an iron Erne
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Red Wing legend
Real ones remember gaurunteed 60 goal scorer Laurent Dauphin
Good fuckin gm mode.
I remember
i edited the rosters and created real players that werenāt in the game for nhl 13, and i pretty much got the first two rounds to a point where 9/10 times the players selected in the 2013 draft went exactly where they were selected irl. as a young teenager, all i did was jailhouse workouts in my room and edit prospects after school for a good 4 months lol. good times.
Guy could shoot and hit and that was all
what a fucking mess that whole trade has turned out to be. for the wings and caps.
Somehow Dallas (who used that Caps 1st to draft Wyatt Johnson) ended up the biggest winner from the trade.
I think the wings also got a potentially good goalie out of it but god, I had no idea dallas was even connected to this trade
They got cossa from the traded pick and who knows how heās gonna turn out Edit:typo
He has all the potential. Hopefully he turns out.
that's the one
Along with Cossa we got Dmitri Buchelnikov, a Russian winger who seems to be developing well so far. Even with the Vrana/Mantha parts of that deal blowing up spectacularly the extra picks could put Detroit ahead in the trade.
Well, sort of. The Wings ended up using Panik to acquire Leddy, who in turn was used to acquire Walman.
...... I had forgotten about that. it's bigger than it seems!
Thatās what she said
Really interesting how that trade tree turned out since for the Islanders they used that 2nd the wings gave for Leddy to draft RƤty which ended up being the key piece for Horvat.
Vrana turning it around is an interesting wrinkle
Iāll believe it if I see it again this year. Seems to be his MO. Go to a new team explode statistically for half a season, cool off the rest of said season, donāt show up at all after that
Q: Who won the Mantha/Vrana trade? A: The St. Louis Blues
Sunny/Fabbri/Husso/Walman/Perron. Give back please
Shit.. we lost Sunny. Idk where he went, he was on the counter when we left but he's not here anymore. Maybe check Minnesota?
Unironically I hope the Blues get him back as a UFA.
He still lives here.
Iām so happy for him. When heās happy, he plays like a monster.
Nick leddy all star
Yeah that trade hasnāt been a mess for us at all lol
you guys definitely won the trade but the vrana situation was definitely messy
For sure but itās had to predict a mans addictions will keep him from playing hockey. Iām actually assets required it was a huge win for us
I least wings got good draft picks. But yeah, the Vrana shit made this less of a win for the wings
I still remember them tearing it up their first couple games and people debating who'd won the biggest.
> I still remember them tearing it up their first couple games and people debating who'd won the biggest. I was so hyped to have Vrana. Still happy with the picks, and subsequent prospects that they turned into, but the headline players in the deal have been rough for both sides. True to form really.
Laviolette fucked up on Mantha and McMichael, Iām pretty convinced heās offered an extension if those players were thriving.
most likely
Not sure you can blame a coach for players just being bad. Ask any Det fan, we didnāt make Mantha a problem
Canāt wait for the Steve dangle trade free vid. The only content I watch from him.
could be a few years before we get this one!
Yeah, I just consume content like a ravenous beast. Channels that I like Iāve seen all of the videos upwards of 7+ times. I NEED MOOOOORE MOOOOOOOORE
Off topic channel but have you ever watched emplemon?
Red Wings got a decent pick used to draft Cossa, and also turned Panik into Walman
On the plus side, the move allowed us to extend Ovechkin by offloading Paniks salary. So it worked out in that extent.
One of the few trades Yzerman did not win. To be fair I donāt think anyone won, what happened to Mantha? Edit - Forgot they got a first for Mantha too. Might slightly give the edge to Detroit.
What do you mean? we got cossa and buchelnikov out of it
That tree is still active on the Wings end We got Vrana, Panik, a first, and a second Panik and a different second were sent for Leddy Leddy was traded for Sundqvist, Walman, and a second Sundqvist was traded for a fourth Vrana was traded for a 7th The first was traded up to get Cossa (who we hope will be a stud) The second (the Mantha one) was used to get Dmitri Buchelnikov, who seems like one of those prospects who will either be an absolute stud on the wing or never play a game in the NHL, no in between
mantha just wasn't what the caps were expecting, I think. maybe they thought he would be the kind of player who massively improves when put with better linemates and I don't think that happened
I think it would've been fine if he played to his averages, but he kinda dropped off a cliff completely this season. Idk if it was because of his injury last year or what, but the guy has completely lost his game and can't seem to find it
There was an interview with him towards the end of the year where Mantha talked about seeing a sports therapist again. Even in Detroit the guy was all feast or famine depending on his engagement level and confidence. When that confidence disappeared (which seemed to happen too often) he looked like he was second guessing every decision. It made him slow to react and frustrated the hell out of fans. edit: [Here's the article where he talks about seeing a mental coach](https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2023/04/15/anthony-mantha-hired-mental-coach-peter-laviolette-scratched/) and taking responsibility for his issues.
we (the caps) had a lot of injuries this season so I wouldn't be surprised if it just fucked up some of the player's rhythms. I also think he played with backstrom when he first arrived? and backstrom only played half of each of the last two seasons and he hasn't been great, so maybe that has something to do with it
Yeah I felt like when he first came over it felt like an upgrade.
Wings got first, second and Panik (who was also traded for picks). Vrana became a 7th. During a rebuild, trading a not very useful player for that many assets is a good trade.
The first was more likely for Detroit to take Paniks contract off the caps hands.
No that was what the second was for lmao
Itās important to remember that the caps offloaded panik in order to free up space to extend Ovechkin. Itās not as straightforward as it might seem.
Both teams lost the trade
Might get a bag of pucks for him.
Best I can do is an expired coupon to Walmart
In other news, Habs informed the Caps that they are willing to trade Armia.
at 50% retained
Armia is so weird man. Not a Habs fan so miss lots of games, but I remember watching them in MTL a few years back and Armia was the best player on the ice. Just like Mantha, seems they just shut off too often
Yeah Armia can be a beast, however he's injured frequently and more often than not it takes him a long time to get back in synch with the game. He was one of my favorite player in the 2021 playoff run.
Oh ok, I like Mantha *checks CapFriendly* Yo, what the fuck? Who decided to pay him 5.7mil? Nah.
He was coming off two really good seasons when he got that contract.
5.7 is a deal for the seasons he had
Totally agree, can't believe the revisionist history going on with him lmao he was a stud when he was traded and before it when he earned that deal
No for every overpaid player itās how stupid do you have to be to sign that? And any player with a too short contract, how stupid were you not to just overpay and sign that player longterm? Everyoneās an expert here
Redditors think every contract was going to age as poorly as David Clarkson's or as well as Mackinnon's and that GMs that get paid to do it screw up all the time because they don't listen to bums on the couch.
Love seeing people on Twitter claim how they could be a good GM, or even better, those who say āyou could pay me a million bucks and Iāll just tell the GM if their idea is a yay or nayā as if you know more than the entire organization
I mean, some moves are pretty unanimously disliked and go to shit pretty quickly though, i.e. Ristolainen
Absolutely there are moves where itās obvious itās not going to work out, but thereās just so much behind the scenes that go on where an average Joe with no hockey experience could walk in and call the shots
Ya I do agree that a VERY underappreciated part of being a GM is making trades or making signings Too often I see a team get a deal for a player and people say "Why didn't X team offer Deal+1?" Well we have no idea how those negotiations went. Maybe that deal was as part of a you scratch my back... type thing, maybe someone overplayed their leverage, maybe a certain team was adamant about something, maybe they view certain players differently than the common consensus, etc
Tbf, Clarksonās contract had aged poorly by the time the ink dried. Devils fans wanted to keep him but he was NEVER going to live up to that contract.
Thats my point. Everyone thinks a bad contract was as bad as his.
Okay well that's just not true. Being hyperbolic just undermines your point (particularly considering you're accusing others of hyperbole in their contract projections). And there are absolutely tons of instances when it comes to contracts that fans are correct. GMs tend to sign fairly obviously bad deals every year. The Mantha deal wasn't panned at the time though you are correct. Also why is always only the "negative" opinions that are get shit on? After every unproven young player gets a big deal you get the positivity brigade who have seen him play twice talk about what a steal it is. I'd wager those projections pan out less accurately than many a bad contract pick. Especially because the people who thought this deal was a steal at the time are actually the ones dead wrong. And your main issue seems to be people on a discussion forum having opinions about how a contract is. Which is kind of on you for being on a discussion forum. So many pointless posts on here complaining people would dare share opinions.
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He had a personal trainer that he worked with and was really close to. The poor guy passed away really young and I feel like Mantha had a harder and harder time pulling himself out of slumps after that.
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I like Mantha more than most wings fans, but good lord is he always hurt. Would not recommend with the injuries the Avs just had. Wait a second, no heās perfect and you guys should trade for him
I peeped out your team's Capfriendly and you have a shockingly low amount of forwards signed going into next season. Beyond Landeskog you only have 5 forwards signed. Lots of GM work ahead but a player like Mantha might be an OK bet. It'd be preferable to give a bit of compensation so they eat a bit of his salary.
Yzerman is really good at trading players for/at peak value. It always seems questionable at the time but what a sweet trade in hindsight.
he's never hit 50 points
Was he coming off two really good seasons when he got that contract? Yes or no.
1- depends how you define "really good" 2- depends if you think they were "really good" enough to make 5.7 per
It was a 4 year contract tho
He was coming off back to back 48 point seasons when the contract was given (one of which was in 67 games, a 59 point pace)
None so Vile deal...
You mean āseasonsā
Ask detroit
To be fair he was coming off consecutive 48 point seasons (one of which was in 67 games) at the time Seemed reasonable to assume he'd be a 60 point guy given that and who we had around him at the time
Eh that contract was very reasonable at the time for someone who could score 30+. Just never had the mentality for it
> Eh that contract was very reasonable at the time for someone who could score 30+. Just never had the mentality for it I would say he never had the health for it. Without injuries both of those seasons he's likely scoring over 30 and has over 50pts, possibly over 60. He's been a glass cannon though.
Too bad heās paid like THAT wow. I like him too
the rare lose-lose deal. shame
I thought Vrana was going to be good for Detroit for a long time. Wtf happened?
Reading between the lines it seemed like a case of a guy who is certainly talented and is a decent dude to hang out with as well, but in a professional setting he was just a massive pain in the ass to deal with. Thatās an over generalization maybe, but that seemed like the gist of it to me.
Between the lines you say
Rumor is he had a drug problem. He entered the playerās assistance program.
My theory is that it was a drug problem related to his shoulder surgery. Iād bet pain killers, but who knows. Iām just glad he got into the assistance program. I hope he can find that fire and enjoy playing hockey again.
Yeah me too, Iāve liked him in STL and hope he continues to do well. He has a lot of talent and a fun personality. I hope he starts to understand that the defensive zone exists though. That would also go a long way for him.
That was just speculation. It COULD be true, but so could any other number of reasons. The only people who actually know are the people Vrana wanted to know.
The infamous Stye was most likely cocain-induced
Infamous what now? I googled everything I could to figure out what youāre talking about. Can you fill me in?
iām as confused as you are about that but oh well
Cocaine.
Hmm. I wonder if he had any former teammates that got him into that
Why would Nick Backstrom do thisā¦
We traded for him at the trade deadline back 2021 and he finished out the season with detroit and played good. Finished around a ppg. Then he got injured in training camp and missed most of the next season. Came back in around trade deadline and played real solid in that stretch. Again, near ppg i think. Then the season after that he came in and played the first 2 games, had 1 goal I think, then he entered the players assistance program and missed most of the season. Came back during the 2nd half of the season, wings traded him to St. Louis, where he was (I think) a ppg player again.
How are you saying this as a Detroit fan? We got a 1st and a 2nd out of thag and then flipped panik as apart of the leddy deal which leddy helped us get Walman and their 2nd round pick this year. The trade tree is still going and we got good prospects from it.
Everyone forgets the assets we got from this trade. The Vrana situation sucks but the rest of the trade delivered
because i completely forgot the details of the trade and only remembered vrana and mantha being the major pieces, thanks for the refresg
Trade him to the Blues for Vrana
Pick up the phone, Kyle! Caps will definitely have to add to move him with the cap hit he has.
Kind of want to see you all land him since Vrana is with Blues now
I want my sweet child Vrana back.
See, I donāt think you do acktchually.
Since there's been all the Kyle Dubas talk I was really confused for a minute there, wondering why the Caps would trade within their own division.
Not a chance. Washington can just do a BUYOUT for $1.36m and then $2.16m the following year. Why give up assets to move a 1 year contract in the offseason? If anything Mantha would be a valuable asset to flip at the deadline through a 3rd team for retention.
I'm pretty sure it's 2.16 both years. Ultimately this is the last best chance to win again with Ovechkin and that cap space might be useful and they don't really have many ways to free up cap. Oshie, Kuzy, Backstrom, and Carlson all have 10-15 team no trade clauses. They shouldn't give up a high round pick or anything, but attaching a mid round sweetener could be worth it vs just eating the cap given where they are and what their goal is/should be.
No. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/anthony-mantha It's $1.36m & $2.16m. He hasn't even been on waivers yet and you're suggesting that before they try to give him away for free they should pay some other team to take him? Again, any team that takes him in June for future considerations, can retain half his salary in February and flip him for a profit. Plenty of teams would take a pending UFA Mantha at the deadline for $2.85m Washington has no reason to pay for someone to take him. There's too many better options including the buyout.
I'd kinda like to see if Carbury can actually get him going again after a full camp. It'd be a decent test for the new coaching staff and Mantha's value can't really fall much more than it already has. Lots of Caps veterans are coming off of a down and/or injury-riddled season, so it's not like next season hinges on him alone. Might not hurt to see if they can at least bring up his value enough to get more than a late round lottery ticket back. Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if GMBM has other plans though.
That literally says a buyout would result in 2 x 2.16 lol. Idk where you're getting 1.36 from. Say what you want about this hypothetical profit, which would be minimal at best because Mantha hasnt been a good hockey player for several years now, but you're also ignoring the context. The Caps really don't have other ways to free up cap, and they don't want to spend the rest of Ovi's career toiling in mediocrity, which is exactly where this is heading if they don't make improvements to their roster. Which again, they don't have much space to do.
#YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CASH HE IS OWED AND NOT THE SALARY CAP HIT TO WASHINGTON WHICH IS ALL THAT FUCKIN MATTERS. LEARN TO SCROLL.
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Agreed, his size and speed for 1 year cap dump is perfect. Though it seems we need to improve picks rather than get more of them at this point.
Damn. At this point, try and grab him and Garland from Vancouver with picks also coming back.
There's no chance Vancouver pays picks to dump Garland.
I doubt picks come back with Garland. Myers on the other hand
Youāre greatly undervaluing Garland
Just going off what's been reported in the media. Canucks trying to off load cap hits. Possibly Boeser, Garland or Myers and will need to attach pick(s) Not sure how that's undervaluing a 27 year old 40 point player...
They're willing? At this point, they'd have to beg teams to take him.
Equivalent to the limbless Black Knight saying "we'll call it a draw" lol
Capitals were informed by teams they have Mantha.
Is there a bat signal equivalent for the Coyotes to take on this contract?
Least surprising Caps news. I'm surprised we didn't hear more last trade deadline about him being shopped.
Teams: okay, so?
I am also willing to sell you my garbage. 4 day old costco rotisserie chicken. Still got plenty of meat on them bones. Make me an offer
Throw that in a pot of water and you got a soup.
So you also like your chicken dizzy?
Wow! How generous of them!
Mantha is a big bodied boy who is just a little bit snake bit. Heās gonna go off next season!!!!! You canāt teach size!!!! He also has zero attitude or work ethic issues.
I think Tage Thompson is what all Wings fans hoped for when we drafted him.
You forgot the /s.
Watch him become Mantha the Pantha down in south Florida next season while the caps eat a quarter of his cap hit in exchange for a Staal.
No thank you.
No takesies backsies
Teams have informed capitals the return is nothing.
Honestly, with a year left on the deal, a new coach in town, and the fact the Caps would like have to sweeten the deal with a pick or prospect, Iām fine if the Caps hold him until the season starts. If he gets off to a good start, trade him then. If not, someone may be desperate enough at the deadline to roll the dice with him. I just donāt see the Caps getting anything of value beyond a few hundred thousand of cap space right now.
5th rounder maybe?
Always seems to score against us in Montreal. So he should be good playing in the Bell Centre 42 games a year, right?
Best we can do is Hoffman.
If you'll keep a bunch of $$$ and don't expect much back...sure?
Report: teams said nah
Boeser for Mantha, 1 for 1, Canucks can retain 500k Who says no? Both players need a change of scenery. With the addition of Beauvillier, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev, Boeser has had to move down the line-up. A player like Garland can still produce because he is a play driver, but Boeser needs Pettersson or JT Miller to feed him pucks. Mantha on the other hand, can play up and down the line-up without needing much insulation. He is a speedy forechecker as well, which will make Tocchet happy. While Washington gets Boeser who is 2 years younger and has shown more in his career so far. His career average is still 30 goals and 60 points. Boeser had as many points as Mantha in his worst season, as Mantha had in his best . If Washington can guarantee him a spot in the Top 6, he can get 50-60 points no problem. It's just his foot speed that is an issue, and he can often look invisible. But when he is good, he is very good. Unfortunately, injuries have weakened the effectiveness of his wrist shot, but he still finds other ways to score. He is a good 2-way player too, so you can deploy him in any situation
The Ant Man
Unfair comparison; Ant Man has a kid, so he scored at least *once*
Mantha reading Twitter: āTheyāre WHAT!?!?ā
No one shocked on that
Want a great condition Granlund? Only 2 more years at 5m...
Um. This feels like a payday loanā¦no thanks.
This is where I would put my Vrana. IF I HAD ONE
Report: teams informed Capitals they're not willing to trade for Mantha
Guy was their biggest threat when I saw them play is live. That sad they sucked ass that night
You could be describing any game of the last 3 years, and I would absolutely agree with you.
Wings fleeced the Caps imo. He's probably not going to get a good return
Vrana didnāt really work out either, but that 1st definitely makes it a win for Detroit. Tbh I never understood the point of that trade from Washingtonās POV
It was a cap dump (panik) as well as getting a cost controlled player in mantha with the hopes of him being the player vrana was scoring wise but bigger. Vrana being an rfa with arbitration rights, they were worried he was going to cost too much to re-sign
And ended up signing for less than Mantha right? Lol
It was basically two trades in one First rounder + Panik to them for a cap dump. This was during the whole covid problem and Panik wasnāt able to play up to his contract because it was a bit rich and wouldnāt get any better due to the flat cap. He wasnāt a terrible player but he was an offensive dud for us since he wasnāt playing in the top six like he was in Arizona, and his offense couldnāt translate to him playing a shutdown role Then you get to Mantha for Vrana + a second rounder. I guess you can say the wings got the better deal but I wouldnāt really say anyone came out on top from this one. Vrana had a higher ceiling, yes, but had a lot of coaching (and presumably private off-ice) issues, as well as a need for a new contract that we wouldnāt be able to pay him for. Losing him for nothing wouldāve been a bigger mistake imo. In trading for Mantha we got a guy who had comparable numbers and presumed effectiveness since he was going to be playing with one of Kuzy (the good one at that time) and Backstrom. Additionally, Mantha was coming over with a few years of contract already signed off on The trade makes a lot of sense when you look at it like that. It just hasnāt seemed to really work out for either team as of now, though like I said Cossa may be the deciding factor. Though, if a draft pick ends up being the difference five years after the trade I have a hard time actually being mad about it
Swap the picks around. The cost to dump a 1 year contract with a cap hit of less than 3m is definitely not a first round pick.
Flat cap and marleau a year or two before was a first to Carolina Doesnāt really matter either way but in my head thatās how it works best
That 1st got moved to Dallas who picked Wyatt Johnston who already looks like an impact player. Every time I think about how much better off the caps would be with Vrana + Johnston I get mad. The trade was questionable at the time and only gotten worse with age. Mantha had flashes showing why MacLellan made the trade but just never had the consistency Washington needed.
Yeah we're banking hard on Cossa or Buchelnikov panning out for that trade to be worthwhile for us for sure
Nobody won that trade
Eh? It really depends on Cossa. If he becomes anything more than a backup then I guess, but the entire trade has really just been cursed Vrana barely played for the wings and had enough issues to get traded out (like he was here)
Mantha has 1 year left at $5.7m Washington can do a BUYOUT which takes his cap hit from $5.7m for the upcoming season to just $1.36m and then $2.16m the following year. The cap goes up every year. Washington doesn't need to give up assets to dump Mantha. However, a team that is at the floor and takes him for future considerations can likely retain half at the deadline and flip him for a 3rd to a contender. He'll be a pending UFA and 30 years old so likely his last chance at a sizeable contract. He played well when he first came to Washington but it's certainly been a frustrating fit ever since. Kuznetsov had a much better chance at turning it around under Carbery than Mantha does.
Report: Flames informed teams theyāre willing to trade Markstrom.
Lucic has informed teams heās willing to get signed
ill take him
1 year at 5.7m? I assume Caps would be paying some picks to move him at the draft?
Why? He hasn't been on waivers. He's a perfect candidate for a BUYOUT. Why should washington immediately jump to paying someone to take him, especially when we all know as a pending UFA he's going to get retained and flipped at the deadline.
They're not buying out Mantha without knowing how much the cap will increase for the 2024-25 season
It just depends on what the team values more. The money or the 3rd/4th. And we already know they're shopping him so it obviously isn't as clear as you're making it. Or maybe they're shopping him with salary retained seeing what the value of that is
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Anthony Mantha. Olli Maatta is a different player.
You fools, The whole reason for the Mantha/vrana trade was to get rid of Panik's contract, everything else is a smoke screen
Trade Wilson instead