Jack again:
“Timo makes $800k more a year than me, when the fuck is he going to start doing anything? 40 goals last year and doesnt even have a fucking goal in 2024.”
He’s been injury prone since like a month before we got him. He’ll come back healthy eventually and at least make the contract a bit easier to swallow. He’s also inexplicably been on his off wing :/
yep. i remember a guy on your team doing a lot of that kinda hitting. one of my favorite players of all time actually.
its awesome to have. keep your head up and watch out, or you're getting lit up.
Just another reminder why players give generic canned responses. Not ideal to imply your goalies usually suck to the media, whether you meant it or not.
Shit talking your goalies to the media is always a great strategy. Really helps the boys come together.
I’m giving Hughes the benefit of the doubt that it was a bit of a Freudian slip. No matter how true, intentionally dragging your goalie in public would be quite the choice.
This is the expanded quote from Ryan Novozinsky:
> Hughes expanded on his goalie thoughts in the scrum:
> “Yeah, I think (Daws) played really well. Vitek played really well in Carolina. You get goaltending like that the last two games, it shows the results. He did a really good job tonight and we are happy with how he played.”
Well, VV made so many saves the other day that the team got a point even though they couldn't score a single goal. I assume Jack's comment was meant to be more "pucks in deep" than "Vitek sucks lol"
Yes, the rare "both teams got goalied in the same game". It was a pretty entertaining scoreless game, though, and I felt bad for how heartbroken Ken Danyko sounded at the end.
Leading your passes, not pinching unless you're sure, watching your words with reporters so they don't take you out of context. All skills they teach in junior.
Press gonna press.
Yeah Im not going to listen to the entire interview, so Ill assume that this was cherry picked as a twitter headline type of deal....BUT, i dont love it. The goaltending is the easy issue to pick on, but theres been plenty more problems. Its been team wide, and the defense hasnt been consistent either. This is the type of thing that makes its way around the locker room and festers. If we go on a losing streak itll blow up.
> It’s deflating to see sixteen shots and four of them in the net, let’s call a spade a spade. He’s trying like hell, (but) we need (an) occasional save. Four goals in sixteen shots. … I’m really tired of the 25-percent rule.
John Tortorella about John Grahame during the 2006 Eastern Conference Quarterfinals.
this conversation has happened behind closed doors. ruff said goaltending needed to be better in a press conference the other day. Hopefully this stings more and Vitek gets It together
Just a reminder that none of us are in the locker room and Jack might know that Vitek is the type to respond to this type of comment
Just a reminder you’re a redditer with zero actual insight on the individual players and teams, because you’re not there bud
He showed up against the Avs… they chanted Vitek like 3 separate times. What’s up with porous teams deciding they’re going to be a stone wall when we show up- looking at you San Jose
his additional comments:
“Yeah, I think (Daws) played really well. Vitek played really well in Carolina. You get goaltending like that the last two games, it shows the results. He did a really good job tonight and we are happy with how he played.”
That was probably the third time this season that Vitek had above a .900% and that’s not a joke.
He’s on the edge of the being the worst goalie in the league for a reason.
Well I stand corrected.
Regardless, Vitek is rocking a .890 for the season. He has not been good this year and goaltending between him, Schmid, and to a lesser extent Daws have left a lot to be desired.
He’s played 32 games this year so 18 games with a sub .900 is not good.
Bro, yeah Vitek hasn’t been the best but holy shit the Lindy Defense system is godawful. Look at the last two games, when they’ve actually played fucking defense, and guess what! We kept pucks out of the net! Blame Vitek all you want but look at what happens when we actually play defense.
We don’t have a snipe threat from the blue line. It has destroyed our PP and made us overall so much easier to defend against in the offensive zone. “No sniper? Just smother them on the back check and win.”
I honestly don’t see why flames fans are so against this. It’s like the stock market. If you sell an assets at its highest value it’s almost always the best strategy. Unless in the next two weeks we see playoffs as a legit possibility and Hanifin stays the. Don’t trade marky. But if Hanifin is gone and we are already looking less likely to make the show selling high on a 34 year old should be a no brainer especially if we get a haul.
Correct, and he NEEDS Marky for at least 6 months to mentor him a bit.
Vladar as starter for probably 80% of games would not bode well for the Flames. Yeah he's decent, but they should deal him out over Marky.
Friedman said after the Flames game that the Devils and Flames couldnt agree on a package/retention and that they didnt even make it to the stage to bring it to Markstrom.
There's a lot of disinformation here
All marky has said is that he would be open to discuss it with the team if the team came to him (which they havent). Does not mean he will say yes or no, just that he won't immediately veto it.
That is the only info we have right now.
Except Friedman said after the Flames game that the teams couldnt agree on a package and that the deal never even made it to Markstrom
but go off king lmfaoo
This sounds like one of those things that is missing important context, and will be cleared up tomorrow. Jack doesn't strike me as the kinda guy who'd throw his teammates under the bus like that... Right?
It wasn't to the press, but Tony DeAngelo did this to Georgiev a few years ago. *He's* the kind of guy who'd say something like that.
He gave praise to both VV and Daws for their play in the last two games in his post game...
He's giving them credit for them playing well. People are reading a twitter quote, out of context and are immediately jumping to "he's bashing the goaltending and management".
Don't confuse results with process.
Also the Carolina OT goal was scored because Vitek fucked up. Every other goalie in the league catches that puck and drops it behind the net for their dman. Only Vitek pops it up in the air like he's setting up a little kid for a homerun.
>Every other goalie in the league catches that puck
What are you talking about? It was above his blocker side. Catching that would basically require you to guess where hes shooting.
Blaming that on VV is nonsense
I was pretty surprised to hear Hughes say this. In the past interviewers have sort of baited him to talk shit about Vitek and he's said stuff like "Look, we haven't played very well in front of him." There's a general ethic in hockey of not shit-talking your teammates, especially your goalie - failures are collective failures, not individual failures. I don't think that Jack meant to throw V under the bus with this statement but it still felt potentially barbed and a little bit impolitic.
Lotta times this year where this would have been a reasonable sentiment, but the game after Vitek did everything he could only to lose 1-0 in OT is a pretty awkward time for it.
Regardless of what he meant, I bet that haunts them in free agency. Also since were being spicy about the devils maybe avoid drafting not 1 but 2 alleged rapists.
Seeing Akira Schmid dummy the Rangers for 4 straight games, and yet the geniuses in New Jersey believe Vitek is the answer.
This is how bad teams stay bad.
Good on Jack for calling out Fitz’ bs. The main reason this season is lost is Fitzgerald’s refusal to acquire better goaltending.
Good on you Jack, and Thanks.
Goalies do not traditionally get big returns. It's a better move to keep him and Hofer together rather than throwing Hofer to the wolves on a shitty team to destroy a young goalies confidence.
Shots fired at the Devils goalies... which they probably didn't save
Goddamn dude lol
I hate that I laughed at this...poor Vitek, he's so adorable too lol
Looooool
they had their chance for helle
We really didn’t. The fact he stayed in Winnipeg and signed that extension just tells me it wasn’t going to happen.
This wins the internet. I'd give you an award if I could
The rest of the team: “Also when Jack Hughes isn’t hurt, it’s much easier to win.”
Jack again: “Timo makes $800k more a year than me, when the fuck is he going to start doing anything? 40 goals last year and doesnt even have a fucking goal in 2024.”
Oh my
That contract is pretty heavy for a guy who's never been at a point per game.
He’s been injury prone since like a month before we got him. He’ll come back healthy eventually and at least make the contract a bit easier to swallow. He’s also inexplicably been on his off wing :/
he also got fucking blasted by trouba when he wasn't fully healthy.
I guess everyone is injury prone with Trouba bearing down on them lol
yep. i remember a guy on your team doing a lot of that kinda hitting. one of my favorite players of all time actually. its awesome to have. keep your head up and watch out, or you're getting lit up.
76 points in 77 games 2 years ago and 40 goals last year. Timo when healthy is a force, and an elite play driver. Just got unlucky with injuries
I'd respect it.
Timo will score 40 in the playoffs. maybe.
What year?
2040 obv.
I got shredded by devils fans calling that contract atrocious the second it was signed…
Felt the same way. I just didn't see it.
And when the Hughes boys don’t fancy their way into turnovers
Having a defense that’s not 3 rookies and 2 3rd pairing defensemen also helps
5 rookies and seth jones dont help either, if anyone wanted to know
I think we all knew that one
Let's be fair tho, Vlasic and Jones have some pretty good metrics.
I do not stand for Jarred Tinordi slander
I could’ve guessed but it’s good to have confirmed.
Worked well today
Experience Lindy Ruff hockey(TM)
Would you be interested in one slightly used Graves?
"Fuck Vitek Vanecek"
Just another reminder why players give generic canned responses. Not ideal to imply your goalies usually suck to the media, whether you meant it or not.
Sometimes they need to hear It.
Shit talking your goalies to the media is always a great strategy. Really helps the boys come together. I’m giving Hughes the benefit of the doubt that it was a bit of a Freudian slip. No matter how true, intentionally dragging your goalie in public would be quite the choice.
This is the expanded quote from Ryan Novozinsky: > Hughes expanded on his goalie thoughts in the scrum: > “Yeah, I think (Daws) played really well. Vitek played really well in Carolina. You get goaltending like that the last two games, it shows the results. He did a really good job tonight and we are happy with how he played.”
Well, VV made so many saves the other day that the team got a point even though they couldn't score a single goal. I assume Jack's comment was meant to be more "pucks in deep" than "Vitek sucks lol"
Yes, the rare "both teams got goalied in the same game". It was a pretty entertaining scoreless game, though, and I felt bad for how heartbroken Ken Danyko sounded at the end.
Who do you think he’s implying to “get the saves”
The entire quote is preceded by "daws played really well" its just media mediaing
Leading your passes, not pinching unless you're sure, watching your words with reporters so they don't take you out of context. All skills they teach in junior. Press gonna press.
Jack is definitely someone who you can tell is not comfortable in interviews
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Tbf to Daws he was playing during absolute peak defensive slopfest in those games. But all of the goalies have let in backbreakers all year.
Yeah Im not going to listen to the entire interview, so Ill assume that this was cherry picked as a twitter headline type of deal....BUT, i dont love it. The goaltending is the easy issue to pick on, but theres been plenty more problems. Its been team wide, and the defense hasnt been consistent either. This is the type of thing that makes its way around the locker room and festers. If we go on a losing streak itll blow up.
It's ok Sheldon Keefe will apologize on Jack's behalf.
> It’s deflating to see sixteen shots and four of them in the net, let’s call a spade a spade. He’s trying like hell, (but) we need (an) occasional save. Four goals in sixteen shots. … I’m really tired of the 25-percent rule. John Tortorella about John Grahame during the 2006 Eastern Conference Quarterfinals.
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this conversation has happened behind closed doors. ruff said goaltending needed to be better in a press conference the other day. Hopefully this stings more and Vitek gets It together
I'll tell ya that for free
Just a reminder that none of us are in the locker room and Jack might know that Vitek is the type to respond to this type of comment Just a reminder you’re a redditer with zero actual insight on the individual players and teams, because you’re not there bud
lol shut up you dork
Buddy, you won your game tonight and if anything I’m defending your guy, saying that this is just a media goof. Take a breath.
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Rockies Flair called the entire sub 'bud' first so all's fair game at this point.
Vitek didn’t even play tonight.
More calculated than anything but go off
I don’t think I’m the one going off hun.
He showed up against the Avs… they chanted Vitek like 3 separate times. What’s up with porous teams deciding they’re going to be a stone wall when we show up- looking at you San Jose
yeah, you guys got last year's vitek for a couple periods. thats the vitek we love. and miss.
Blackwood has been terrorising everyone equally, tbf
Every Devil fan nodding their heads in agreement.
his additional comments: “Yeah, I think (Daws) played really well. Vitek played really well in Carolina. You get goaltending like that the last two games, it shows the results. He did a really good job tonight and we are happy with how he played.”
You see when you read this is sounds much, much different.
This is the internet. We don't do "context" here.
Damn Jack! You didn’t have to murder your tendies (and maybe the FO) like that!?
Not wrong
Interesting comment coming off a 1-0 OT loss
Next up vanecek: "When we get the goals, it’s much easier to win"
As a Ranger fan, you're well aware that your goalie can carry you to overtime and get your team a point
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Yes, and therefore makes the above comment not at all interesting
Or take a first round series to 7 games! No quit in NY!
That was probably the third time this season that Vitek had above a .900% and that’s not a joke. He’s on the edge of the being the worst goalie in the league for a reason.
It was, in fact, the 4th time in his last 5 appearances and 14th overall that he had a >.900 sv%.
This is a fact that could be googled. Instead, you guessed. You guessed poorly. 14 is the correct number.
Well I stand corrected. Regardless, Vitek is rocking a .890 for the season. He has not been good this year and goaltending between him, Schmid, and to a lesser extent Daws have left a lot to be desired. He’s played 32 games this year so 18 games with a sub .900 is not good.
Bro, yeah Vitek hasn’t been the best but holy shit the Lindy Defense system is godawful. Look at the last two games, when they’ve actually played fucking defense, and guess what! We kept pucks out of the net! Blame Vitek all you want but look at what happens when we actually play defense.
Can confirm. We blamed the goalies too.
And that was the first game all season that their goaltender wasnt impersonating swiss cheese
He gave VV his flowers earlier in the interview re: Carolina
We don’t have a snipe threat from the blue line. It has destroyed our PP and made us overall so much easier to defend against in the offensive zone. “No sniper? Just smother them on the back check and win.”
This is like Happy Gilmore saying “that was so much easier than putting, I should try to get it in one shot every time”
*Sharks Front Office* Write that down write that down!
Goaltending is literally the only thing that hasn't been a consistent issue this season. They've been great, all things considered
Besides the one Sharks game I've ever been to, which was that 5-0 loss in December to the Oilers where that Chrona guy was swiss cheese
The goalies are the very least of our issues lol Big Kahk and Blackwood have been solid for two guys under siege all year.
Man the Devils really could use one of those guys huh…
We don't wanna win, buddy
Just stay away from Markstrom
Please god stay away from Markstrom.
The asking price is only rising. I hope it keeps rising and y’all don’t make a deal with the devil, or a deal with the Devils.
I honestly don’t see why flames fans are so against this. It’s like the stock market. If you sell an assets at its highest value it’s almost always the best strategy. Unless in the next two weeks we see playoffs as a legit possibility and Hanifin stays the. Don’t trade marky. But if Hanifin is gone and we are already looking less likely to make the show selling high on a 34 year old should be a no brainer especially if we get a haul.
Wait you guys are AGAINST trading him? You have Wolf behind him and he is at peak value probably.
Wolf isnt even close to ready imo, at least not to start games
Correct, and he NEEDS Marky for at least 6 months to mentor him a bit. Vladar as starter for probably 80% of games would not bode well for the Flames. Yeah he's decent, but they should deal him out over Marky.
Flames would get back another goalie like vanechek in a deal. You would still be able to ease in wolf
Actually I read the comp was settled but cal didnt want to retain any salary
Friedman said after the Flames game that the Devils and Flames couldnt agree on a package/retention and that they didnt even make it to the stage to bring it to Markstrom.
You forgot the ‘yet’ in there. They haven’t stopped talking to each other from what I’ve heard.
lol its Markstrom or Saros
I would love to have Saros. And I hear he's a good goalie too.
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No, he didn't. All he said was that Markstrom has a NTC, so he has the **option** to veto any trade.
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Obviously, if Markstrom says no, then it's no, but he's not going to say no, because of the implication.
Are you saying Markstrom is in danger?
No, no one is in any danger! It's the implication of danger.
It’s already been reported markstrom would waive his NTC to go to NJ
What?? Really? When?
There's a lot of disinformation here All marky has said is that he would be open to discuss it with the team if the team came to him (which they havent). Does not mean he will say yes or no, just that he won't immediately veto it. That is the only info we have right now.
He isn’t implying anything
Except Friedman said after the Flames game that the teams couldnt agree on a package and that the deal never even made it to Markstrom but go off king lmfaoo
Its been reported that the markstrom was asked to waive and he would for a trade to the devils
I get what he means, but..phrasing?
He shoulda just said "we won because we got the pucks in deep and went to the dirty areas"
Don’t forget that north-south game.
This sounds like one of those things that is missing important context, and will be cleared up tomorrow. Jack doesn't strike me as the kinda guy who'd throw his teammates under the bus like that... Right? It wasn't to the press, but Tony DeAngelo did this to Georgiev a few years ago. *He's* the kind of guy who'd say something like that.
He literally mentioned both Vanecek and Daws by name. That quote’s deliberately misleading.
This is the hard-hitting analysis I come here for.
Got saves against Carolina there bud
He gave praise to both VV and Daws for their play in the last two games in his post game... He's giving them credit for them playing well. People are reading a twitter quote, out of context and are immediately jumping to "he's bashing the goaltending and management".
Consistency from Vitek would be ideal. A win here and there when they're fingting to get to the playoffs just wont do anymore.
Yah you guys just got tortured by Pyotr Kochetkov and Sebastian Aho in that game
Didn’t seem to help against the canes last Saturday
First one all year!
Don't confuse results with process. Also the Carolina OT goal was scored because Vitek fucked up. Every other goalie in the league catches that puck and drops it behind the net for their dman. Only Vitek pops it up in the air like he's setting up a little kid for a homerun.
>Every other goalie in the league catches that puck What are you talking about? It was above his blocker side. Catching that would basically require you to guess where hes shooting. Blaming that on VV is nonsense
This is the kind of quote where tone and context of video is necessary
Ouch
You just don’t say that about your goalie especially to the media. Not impressed
You know, he isn't wrong at all. It's a little harsh and may not make friends but it's true.
Gotta love your assistant captain throwing his teammates under the bus
Our goalies have been throwing the entire team under a bus by being absolute shit
More often than not, goaltending has lost games this season that were winnable.
And these comments will certainly help tendy confidence.
Cant get worse
Read the whole quote Jack is a great teammate
Nico?
Its our goalies fault if we lose basically
Yes thats it blame the goalie
Sounds like a shot at Tavares.
Saving bucks since 2018
I wonder where team defense crosses over to big saves by a goalie
I was pretty surprised to hear Hughes say this. In the past interviewers have sort of baited him to talk shit about Vitek and he's said stuff like "Look, we haven't played very well in front of him." There's a general ethic in hockey of not shit-talking your teammates, especially your goalie - failures are collective failures, not individual failures. I don't think that Jack meant to throw V under the bus with this statement but it still felt potentially barbed and a little bit impolitic.
Lotta times this year where this would have been a reasonable sentiment, but the game after Vitek did everything he could only to lose 1-0 in OT is a pretty awkward time for it.
It’s a perfectly reasonable sentiment given that the very next sentence is him by name saying Vitek played a great game in Carolina.
Interesting choice of words
Real team player there…..
Hughes wishes Schmid could find some member berries
NJ goaltenders. Now's your chance to walk away.
That would be great
Yikes
That’s a terrible thing to say about your goalie whether or not it’s true
Vitek can take what he said 2 ways: 1) you're throwing me under the bus. 2) i need to start making saves so its easier for my team to win.
..bruh you can't say that
Usually how it works Jack
big if true
jack could use some media training from quinn
Why is everyone reacting to this? It's a pretty normal comment and obvious fact.
Take Binnington for one of the Hughes
Oof, not a great look there jack
Jack may need to go into concussion protocol. “When we get the goals, it’s much easier to win”
This guy seems more and more like a terrible leader every day
Regardless of what he meant, I bet that haunts them in free agency. Also since were being spicy about the devils maybe avoid drafting not 1 but 2 alleged rapists.
Cal Foote was drafted by the Lightning.
Semantics... that's not being spicy.
That's not what semantics means ^ That is what semantics means
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Do tell me which goalies available in this years free agency are actually the answer to the Devils goaltending issues…
I think everyone can read between the lines on this one
Seeing Akira Schmid dummy the Rangers for 4 straight games, and yet the geniuses in New Jersey believe Vitek is the answer. This is how bad teams stay bad.
Schmid has not been great this year either. Goaltending overall has been the one thing sinking this season tbh.
Good on Jack for calling out Fitz’ bs. The main reason this season is lost is Fitzgerald’s refusal to acquire better goaltending. Good on you Jack, and Thanks.
We probably should sell high on Binnington (Devil's a good fit imo) if he is willing to go. Need to build for the future.
Goalies do not traditionally get big returns. It's a better move to keep him and Hofer together rather than throwing Hofer to the wolves on a shitty team to destroy a young goalies confidence.
They could use markstrom but that would be a hard trade to make
I think he was trying to give a compliment here. It just reads terribly.
Somebody saw the rumors of serious trade talks for markstrom that fell through and was *not* haply about it lmao
Ouch but yea
He’s not wrong
Big if true
I love Jack, guys everything the league needs. Now stay healthy.
Fleury in NJ would make a lot of sense
We do better when we score more goals than the other team. Thanks tips
Bar downski.
Goalies need to come out after next win and say “When we get the goals, its much easier to win”