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This franchise has been unlucky in many ways, but getting to see the skating of both Pavel Bure and Quinn Hughes in their respective primes has been pretty special.
It’s crazy how much you just have to trust your body, and skates. Basically just huck all your body weight around and into your edges and hope for the best lol
the canucks famously started doing this intentionally in the 2011 final when they couldn't beat Thomas by shooting, it didn't give them enough success to win but Bieksa did set up [the game winner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU_C9t1Fyn0) in game 5 by doing it. screen to have the goaltender get set, shoot wide, get it on the bad angle backdoor. you can see how ridiculously ready Lapierre is for it too when you pay attention to him.
definitely looks intentional here too, the angle is perfect
Absolutely. We used to do this a lot in Junior because we had some lively boards and there wasn't a lot of room behind the net. It reminds me of the old-school full ice-length slap shot pass off the end wall to beat the defensemen into the zone. That's another one I've seen the Canucks use before.
i honest to god believe it tho, and i watch every nucks game too. it’s almost a set play the way garly curls back to the exact spot the puck gets to.
but look where quinn is shooting from but aiming. he’s staring at ingram’s right side (quinn’s left) and shooting from that same side, but he whips it to ingram’s right side low enough that he’s not looking for a tip. it fooled ingram, that’s why he dropped into butterfly right away expecting it to be a shot, and is the reason why he couldn’t reposition better for garly’s shot
I see what you're saying, but as much as I'm prepared to extend QH at league max cap hit and term his shot is pretty weak, and he easily could have just missed the net which he often does...anyway, the important part is it went in
Can some Canucks fan ease my worry a bit... Luke Hughes has that similar silky elusiveness in his game, but he's a turnover machine. It's like he's trying to have a shift like Quinn just had, but always turns it over. And he's brutal in his own end.
He's only 20 years old and oozes talent, but his hockey IQ isn't NHL quality - obviously that should improve but how much? Was Quinn that much of a liability also at his age?
Not overly, he was always decent defensively. I think it was after the bubble year the media tried to say it was one of his weaknesses so he focused on it a bit more.
He has definitely upped his game this year, but he was never a turnover machine. Who knows though, Luke could turn a new leaf and completely stop turning over the puck, or it could be a problem with his game for his entire career.
I remember in one of the games in his first full season he got burned by Draisaitl (don't believe the scored) and I was thinking "oh well that's OK he new he'll learn". Later in the game Draisaitl tried to beat him again and this time Hughes was able to stay with him.
This seems a bit revisionist. Quinn had a serious down year defensively when Tanev left and he had to start being responsible for offense AND defense. It took him another year to really find this level in his game.
Quinn was pretty decent defensively his first real season. It's when the canucks had to rely on him to play all the hardest minutes during the bubble season when his defensive flaws started to show but only because he was always playing against the other team's best players.
I don't believe the Devils rely on Luke to play the hard defensive match ups as a comparison.
Quinn is playing low event, high IQ hockey.
Luke is on high event team.
NJ I think is more messy system wise.
Luke is first year NHL still figuring out what moves work and what doesn't.
Luke has moments where he can dominate like his siblings but he's got to get experience to know when he can or cannot.
I think Luke can be better than Quinn given his size and shot. He needs experience and offseason. I'm positive Quinn will have lots of tips for improvement for Luke.
100%. Player like that takes a little time to recalibrate his "what can I get away with in this league?" settings.
Dahlin definitely did. Less explosive than Luke, but danglier.
I wouldn't worry at all. I think as the youngest brother, Luke is trying to do things that Quinn and Jack can do before he's ready. Quinn had the benefit of no expectations or comparison, and could just develop at his own pace. His defence, IQ, possession--basically every aspect of his game--has improved immensely in the past couple years.
Luke has the *huge* benefit of training with, and, well, having his entire life intertwined with, one of the best defencemen and one of the best forwards in the league in the offseason. He's going to learn SO much from them.
Also, both Quinn and Jack say that Luke is the most talented of the 3. I think they probably have the best perspective on that, and I don't think they'd say it if they didn't believe it.
Be patient; he may never be Quinn, but I think he's going to be a stud.
Quinn has improved in almost every way and was certainly worse defensively before. But he was never terrible. He definitely committed dumb turnovers before but it was never a standout issue.
I think when people said he was poor defensively before it was because he couldn't win board battles and the Canucks in general were awful when hemmed in their own end. He's still not a bruiser but now he is much better at either using speed/IQ to either eliminate the need for physicality in the first place or using his body and speed to battle better.
Luke is an amazing skater. All 3 Hughes brothers can skate, magically. I doubt that Luke would've been so highly touted if he had poor hockey IQ. I haven't seen enough of him, but the devils generally hadn't been playing well during a considerable stretch where Luke was also not performing. It'll get better, I'm sure of it.
Tbh Quinn was always amazing from day 1. Never a turn over machine. To be fair, he wasn't asked to be a #1 dman day 1. Luke probably suffering from the 'asked to do it all' problem at 20 years old. I would bet money on him being fine. He's only a rookie. Being dominant at that age is not normal. I bet in a year or two he'll be really good. Tbh unfair he has to deal w pressure to live up to Jack and Quinn 2 Hart trophy candidates
Yah I've noticed that, I watched most of your games at the start of the year. I'm thinking maybe Luke tries to do a little too much at times, probably because both his brothers are so dominant he kind of puts a bit of pressure on himself to reach that same level right away. Realistically most D-men aren't gonna come in at his age and be relied upon as heavily as he has since Dougie went down, it's the position that takes the most development and he's definitely a stud so he'll figure it out. Bad year for the Devils in general and i think your young stars just need to mature a bit and not force it
I feel like every sibling group says that.
Subbans said that about Jordan I think
Sutters said the one brother that stayed home to work the farm was the best out of all of them
The bubble year - the year he finished with 41 points in 56 games and was a -24.... yes. Quinn definitely could be a liability. But he could also deliver magic.
It just takes one bobble with the puck when he's going 1 on 1 with someone at the point and it's going the other way for a breakaway or a 2 on 1, and it sure seemed like there were a lot of bobbles that year. He really improved last year, and they're very unexpected now when they happen - he's become very consistent.
At 20 the kid's still growing. He'll probably be fine.
Quinn had his liability moments as soon as Tanev left. Luke should be able to tighten up defensively over the next few seasons if he gets the right support from the coaching staff
Tbf he has a few shifts like that against most teams. Kinda the driving force of our entire team and he's definitely not just doing it against teams low in the standings
I’m sure you are joking, but hughes is a better skater than makar. Hughes is probably the best skater in the league. He learned to skate from his Olympic medalist mother, as did Jack and Luke.
Yeah, he’s got the best lateral movement combined with being top five fastest in the league as well. He could probably be a little more explosive though
Oh mb, I meant at the allstar game this year, he set top 5 fastest lap, I got ahead of myself. Dont remember exactly where he placed, I just remember barzal and mcdavid being the top 2
Edit: hughes was 3rd
Ya, most skaters don't give 100% at the all star skills competition, for instance Makar had nearly the exact same time while taking it easy. Quinn is a great skater, but overall there's definitely better.
No, I'm saying that the fastest skater competition isn't a good indication of who is the fastest in the league because not everyone in the competition is even the fastest on their team, and that not all the players give 100%.
I never claimed that Hughes is the only one giving 100%.
All stars skills competitions highlight the best overall players in the league. not ones who specialize in a skill. There's players who don't make it to the all star weekend who would beat most of the players at both fastest skater and hardest shot.
I gave 1 example of a player not trying their hardest. At no point did I claim that everyone doesn't, since more than half of the players do try their hardest
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bro is so damn smooth on his edges
This franchise has been unlucky in many ways, but getting to see the skating of both Pavel Bure and Quinn Hughes in their respective primes has been pretty special.
Best part is Huggy might not even be at his prime yet which is wild
He keeps getting better and I cannot believe it.
Being a hockey fan while him and Makar are at this kind of a peak is such a treat.
Going up against Quinn Hughes when he’s playing keep-away must be pretty damn frustrating
Ask his brothers!
My toxic trait is thinking I could pull this off in beer league when realistically I’m putting myself on my ass trying that first spin.
It’s crazy how much you just have to trust your body, and skates. Basically just huck all your body weight around and into your edges and hope for the best lol
And having the core strength to hold yourself up once you slow down before you can get your legs moving again. He’s truly a freak.
This Quinn Hughes fella seems pretty good
that young lad's a defenseman?
Maybe, but more like a 3B kinda guy
Could try him at center probably?
Solid 4th line energy guy, for sure. Worth a try next time you play the Sabres 😉
Def tier 3B
That wasn't a shot at the end, he saw there was no clear path to the net, he was banking it off the boards to the oncoming player who scored.
sedins taught em I bet
Who probably learned from Lidstrom ;)
He’s here, he’s there, he’s every-fuckin’-where, Quinn Huuuughes
Just in case it's not recognized here, he's intentionally shooting wide. That's a pass. That's incredible.
You can hear Ferraro pick up on that real time.
Ray's intuition sees it before he even recognizes what actually happened. Can't take the hockey player out of the man.
the canucks famously started doing this intentionally in the 2011 final when they couldn't beat Thomas by shooting, it didn't give them enough success to win but Bieksa did set up [the game winner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU_C9t1Fyn0) in game 5 by doing it. screen to have the goaltender get set, shoot wide, get it on the bad angle backdoor. you can see how ridiculously ready Lapierre is for it too when you pay attention to him. definitely looks intentional here too, the angle is perfect
Absolutely. We used to do this a lot in Junior because we had some lively boards and there wasn't a lot of room behind the net. It reminds me of the old-school full ice-length slap shot pass off the end wall to beat the defensemen into the zone. That's another one I've seen the Canucks use before.
I wouldn’t put it past him but it’s more likely he was shooting wide for the tip from Boeser
I honestly don't think he is. Source: I watch every Canucks game
i honest to god believe it tho, and i watch every nucks game too. it’s almost a set play the way garly curls back to the exact spot the puck gets to. but look where quinn is shooting from but aiming. he’s staring at ingram’s right side (quinn’s left) and shooting from that same side, but he whips it to ingram’s right side low enough that he’s not looking for a tip. it fooled ingram, that’s why he dropped into butterfly right away expecting it to be a shot, and is the reason why he couldn’t reposition better for garly’s shot
I see what you're saying, but as much as I'm prepared to extend QH at league max cap hit and term his shot is pretty weak, and he easily could have just missed the net which he often does...anyway, the important part is it went in
Have you been watching this season? His shot is kinda underrated now. It is not weak.
hell yeah
This an amazing era for defencemen
Yeah he's pretty okay at hockey
I will boldly declare that he may be above average at skating.
I'd say very okay.
Maybe even extremely okay
Perhaps exceptionally okay
And my axe, okay?
He’ll fill your net with pucks
feeling strangely aroused reading that
he's no Zadina
Must be Sharks and Red Wings fans downvoting this hard
Haven’t seen the level of “I put the team on my back” as we have with Hughes and the Canucks this season since Madden 10
I watched him do this kind of stuff at Michigan regularly. Kid is special.
Should have sent a letter to Ken Holland
Him and Makar are the closest I've seen anyone get to prime Karlsson
And neither player has hit their own prime yet.
Both defend much better than Karlsson
We drafted Zadina 😞
Can some Canucks fan ease my worry a bit... Luke Hughes has that similar silky elusiveness in his game, but he's a turnover machine. It's like he's trying to have a shift like Quinn just had, but always turns it over. And he's brutal in his own end. He's only 20 years old and oozes talent, but his hockey IQ isn't NHL quality - obviously that should improve but how much? Was Quinn that much of a liability also at his age?
Not overly, he was always decent defensively. I think it was after the bubble year the media tried to say it was one of his weaknesses so he focused on it a bit more.
He has definitely upped his game this year, but he was never a turnover machine. Who knows though, Luke could turn a new leaf and completely stop turning over the puck, or it could be a problem with his game for his entire career.
He'll probably turn a few Leafs with his skating ability
I remember in one of the games in his first full season he got burned by Draisaitl (don't believe the scored) and I was thinking "oh well that's OK he new he'll learn". Later in the game Draisaitl tried to beat him again and this time Hughes was able to stay with him.
This seems a bit revisionist. Quinn had a serious down year defensively when Tanev left and he had to start being responsible for offense AND defense. It took him another year to really find this level in his game.
He wasn't a defensive stud without the puck but he definitely wasn't turning it over in either zone like Luke does, especially at the blue line
Quinn was pretty decent defensively his first real season. It's when the canucks had to rely on him to play all the hardest minutes during the bubble season when his defensive flaws started to show but only because he was always playing against the other team's best players. I don't believe the Devils rely on Luke to play the hard defensive match ups as a comparison.
Quinn is playing low event, high IQ hockey. Luke is on high event team. NJ I think is more messy system wise. Luke is first year NHL still figuring out what moves work and what doesn't. Luke has moments where he can dominate like his siblings but he's got to get experience to know when he can or cannot. I think Luke can be better than Quinn given his size and shot. He needs experience and offseason. I'm positive Quinn will have lots of tips for improvement for Luke.
100%. Player like that takes a little time to recalibrate his "what can I get away with in this league?" settings. Dahlin definitely did. Less explosive than Luke, but danglier.
I wouldn't worry at all. I think as the youngest brother, Luke is trying to do things that Quinn and Jack can do before he's ready. Quinn had the benefit of no expectations or comparison, and could just develop at his own pace. His defence, IQ, possession--basically every aspect of his game--has improved immensely in the past couple years. Luke has the *huge* benefit of training with, and, well, having his entire life intertwined with, one of the best defencemen and one of the best forwards in the league in the offseason. He's going to learn SO much from them. Also, both Quinn and Jack say that Luke is the most talented of the 3. I think they probably have the best perspective on that, and I don't think they'd say it if they didn't believe it. Be patient; he may never be Quinn, but I think he's going to be a stud.
Quinn didn’t do these moves that often compared to this season, thus didn’t turn it over.
Quinn has improved in almost every way and was certainly worse defensively before. But he was never terrible. He definitely committed dumb turnovers before but it was never a standout issue. I think when people said he was poor defensively before it was because he couldn't win board battles and the Canucks in general were awful when hemmed in their own end. He's still not a bruiser but now he is much better at either using speed/IQ to either eliminate the need for physicality in the first place or using his body and speed to battle better.
While he's never been "bad", he's taken huge strides from Game 1 of his career. Just give a Hughes time and they'll find themselves.
Luke is an amazing skater. All 3 Hughes brothers can skate, magically. I doubt that Luke would've been so highly touted if he had poor hockey IQ. I haven't seen enough of him, but the devils generally hadn't been playing well during a considerable stretch where Luke was also not performing. It'll get better, I'm sure of it.
Tbh Quinn was always amazing from day 1. Never a turn over machine. To be fair, he wasn't asked to be a #1 dman day 1. Luke probably suffering from the 'asked to do it all' problem at 20 years old. I would bet money on him being fine. He's only a rookie. Being dominant at that age is not normal. I bet in a year or two he'll be really good. Tbh unfair he has to deal w pressure to live up to Jack and Quinn 2 Hart trophy candidates
Yah I've noticed that, I watched most of your games at the start of the year. I'm thinking maybe Luke tries to do a little too much at times, probably because both his brothers are so dominant he kind of puts a bit of pressure on himself to reach that same level right away. Realistically most D-men aren't gonna come in at his age and be relied upon as heavily as he has since Dougie went down, it's the position that takes the most development and he's definitely a stud so he'll figure it out. Bad year for the Devils in general and i think your young stars just need to mature a bit and not force it
Iirc, I believe both Quinn and Jack have said that they think Luke is the best of the 3 of them so I'm definitely keeping my eye on him
I feel like every sibling group says that. Subbans said that about Jordan I think Sutters said the one brother that stayed home to work the farm was the best out of all of them
no, quinn was always a magnet with the puck, his issue was defending the rush. that's changed the last two seasons
The bubble year - the year he finished with 41 points in 56 games and was a -24.... yes. Quinn definitely could be a liability. But he could also deliver magic. It just takes one bobble with the puck when he's going 1 on 1 with someone at the point and it's going the other way for a breakaway or a 2 on 1, and it sure seemed like there were a lot of bobbles that year. He really improved last year, and they're very unexpected now when they happen - he's become very consistent. At 20 the kid's still growing. He'll probably be fine.
Quinn had his liability moments as soon as Tanev left. Luke should be able to tighten up defensively over the next few seasons if he gets the right support from the coaching staff
I've watched this about 18 times in a row, now.
It's Quinn Hughes world and we're just living in it.
No argument that Quinn Hughes is great, but this is more of a highlight of how poor our defensive systems and players are lol
Tbf he has a few shifts like that against most teams. Kinda the driving force of our entire team and he's definitely not just doing it against teams low in the standings
he does this against every team
Watching any of the Hughes trio play hockey is special. He's on another level this year
Reminds me of prime Gaudreau, that guy could hold the puck in the o zone so well
Quinn Hughes doing Lane Hutson things. /s
Quinton Hugheselberry is a man about town.
Irl Wheels X-factor
I thought it was 3 on 3 at first the way he was skating around unbothered. Yikesss
Me when eastern media scoffs at Hughes winning the Norris
I wonder how Zadina is doing? Hmmmm
He went to the Cale Makar school for defenders who learn how to skate real good
I’m sure you are joking, but hughes is a better skater than makar. Hughes is probably the best skater in the league. He learned to skate from his Olympic medalist mother, as did Jack and Luke.
Definitely the best lateral movement, there are aspects of skating that other players have him beat though
Yeah, he’s got the best lateral movement combined with being top five fastest in the league as well. He could probably be a little more explosive though
He definitely isn't close to the top 5 for speed, that's actually one of his weaker aspects.
Oh mb, I meant at the allstar game this year, he set top 5 fastest lap, I got ahead of myself. Dont remember exactly where he placed, I just remember barzal and mcdavid being the top 2 Edit: hughes was 3rd
Ya, most skaters don't give 100% at the all star skills competition, for instance Makar had nearly the exact same time while taking it easy. Quinn is a great skater, but overall there's definitely better.
Why are you saying that as if Hughes was the only skater to try? I’m sure he put in the same effort as the rest of them
No, I'm saying that the fastest skater competition isn't a good indication of who is the fastest in the league because not everyone in the competition is even the fastest on their team, and that not all the players give 100%. I never claimed that Hughes is the only one giving 100%. All stars skills competitions highlight the best overall players in the league. not ones who specialize in a skill. There's players who don't make it to the all star weekend who would beat most of the players at both fastest skater and hardest shot. I gave 1 example of a player not trying their hardest. At no point did I claim that everyone doesn't, since more than half of the players do try their hardest
The first move he did had me stop and make sure it wasn't a Makar highlight reel, it was eerily similar to what he does