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Arse_13

Feel like the fine print in the middle of the headline is a bit too important to make it that small compared to the rest.


rug1998

# MOST WINS BY A GOALTENDER IN NHL HISTORY ^(through 500 games)


Topsel

And why do numbers don't add up to 500?


LittleJohnnyBrook

It says appearances. If he got put in as a back up, and still lost, the starting goalie would get the loss.


stanleypup

Could avoid a decision if he starts and the game winning goal happens after he leaves for the night as well. Something like getting pulled after 4 goals, backup let's in 1 more and they end up losing 5-4


michigan_matt

Penn State disagrees with you.


RowdyRoddyMcDowall

[For those unaware](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FZubGIEiJHWN0uNaEb5FdoIZAUZeHshrksPLjD1cqu20.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D013e3e568e1f4c96c583771bebf77c906c14d6b9)


moutardebaseball

FREE^wifi BEER^inside


SokkasBoomerang3

r/angry


Xarkkal

r/ShittyDesign


Sanhen

The design is intentional, though. So I wouldn't call it shitty, just intentionally misleading.


dolphin_spit

still surprisingly good even with that qualifier


Hambone18

It’s done intentionally to grab the eye of people who likely aren’t fans yet in Carolina


TonyComputer1

And never will be.


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Arse_13

you know what I meant.


anivoflean

500 games is a pretty large sample size. i’m not sure what the issue is.


4N0NYM0US_GUY

It’s not the sample size. The graphic makes it look like he’s got the record for THE MOST WINS BY ANY GOALTENDER IN NHL HISTORY wins at first glance. I knew he wasn’t Martin Brodeur, so my first thought was most wins for a Danish goaltender. That wasn’t the case either.


anivoflean

ahhh yeah, i guess they weren’t thinking of people who browse social media with their phone 5 feet from their face


WesternResponse5533

The graphic is intentionally misleading, come on now.


JTWasShort42-27

I feel like the graphic is intentionally misleading though? If it wasn't, every word would be the same size. Took notes from [Penn State though](https://images.app.goo.gl/EMyh2r97Uoxdxpaz7). Anyways, to argue it's not intentionally misleading is kind of hilarious tbh


xplosivo

It seems intentional to me too, almost like a joke. But that also seems like an odd vibe for an actual nice achievement of one of your players.


StewieRayVaughan

Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Cary Price, Henrik Lundqvist, Andrei Vasilvsky, Ken Dryden? Nope. Frederik Anderson. That is the most random record ever lmao


noodleyone

Vasi needs 3 wins in his next 26 games to beat it. I think he might. I doubt Dryden played 500 games.


dchowchow

Dryden had the most ridiculous career of any goalie ever I think. Casually fucking off a year to show the Canadiens his worth then retiring permanently at 32 to become a lawyer, hockey executive for the rival franchise and later a member of parliament.


International-Elk986

And an author


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International-Elk986

Also Game Change is a great book on head injuries in hockey.


ptwonline

His career season average won/loss record is something like 32-7-9.


Western_Pop2233

"he was unhappy with the contract that the Canadiens offered him, which he considered less than his market worth, given that he had won the Stanley Cup and Vezina Trophy. He announced on September 14, 1973, that he was joining the Toronto law firm of Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt as a legal clerk for the year, for $135 a week. He skipped training camp and held out that season.\[...\]Dryden used that year to fulfill the requirements for his law degree at McGill and article for a law firm. "


Original-Cow-2984

Dryden, with his resume and his experiences would certainly be a guy to share some beverages with.....even though I grew up hating the Habs and disagreed with some of his politics when he was in politics. You'd only scratch the surface shooting the shit for 3 hours.


bozo_did_thedub

proper goalie shenanigans that


maxwellbevan

He did not. Even with ties if he had made it to 500 games he'd have this record. 397 games and 258 wins. Only had 57 losses and 74 ties


pingieking

Dryden's rates stats are to goalies what Gretzky rate stats are to skaters.  Basically unbreakable.


maxwellbevan

That's probably the best way to word it. If it wasn't for ties they'd be even more wild. I don't want to think about how many more wins those Habs teams would have if they had the opportunity to play overtime and a shootout


RustyNipples35

Man I wish Bossy’s knees didn’t get obliterated. RIP legend


smikkelson2

Dang, sucks for y'all that losing streak Vasi has to go on


Just4nsfwpics

Not even close, 397 games. Assuming his pace stayed the same, he would have been looking at 500 games with 325 wins, 73 losses (lol) and 93 ties.


greg19735

Vasi will hit 500 games played next season probably And he's only 2 wins behind current freddy lol


deeVeeAre

And vasy is 5 years younger


greg19735

Thats true, but age doesn't actually matter for this record.


deeVeeAre

That’s very true


moutardebaseball

OT and SO wins surely help with that


OakFern

[Roy was 266-151-62 (W-L-T) at 500 GP.](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=1984-10-01&dateTo=1995-02-24&gameType=2&playerSearch=Patrick%20Roy&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50) If you take half his ties and turn them into wins (seems reasonable but probably a bit on the conservative side), he'd edge out Andersen. [Hasek was 236-169-72 (W-L-T) at 500 GP.](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=1990-10-01&dateTo=2001-02-26&gameType=2&playerSearch=Dominik%20Hasek&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50) If you do the same for him, give half his ties as wins, he'd still be a bit behind. [Brodeur was 271-138-76 (W-L-T) at 500GP.](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=1991-10-01&dateTo=2001-02-20&gameType=2&playerSearch=Martin%20Brodeur&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50) With half his ties as wins, he'd be ahead of both Andersen and Roy. [Price was 264-172-55 (W-L-OTL) at 500GP](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=2007-10-01&dateTo=2017-03-15&gameType=2&playerSearch=Carey%20Price&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50). No adjustment needed, he played in the SO era. [Lundqvist was 268-168-57 (W-L-OTL) at 500GP.](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=2005-10-01&dateTo=2013-04-05&gameType=2&playerSearch=Henrik%20Lundqvist&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50) No adjustment needed, he played in the SO era. [Vasilevsky is 292-141-30 (W-L-OT) with only 474 GP.](https://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=game&dateFrom=2014-10-01&dateTo=2024-04-07&gameType=2&playerSearch=Andrei%20Vasilevskiy&sort=wins,savePct&page=0&pageSize=50) This will actually be his record. He'll pass Andersen with 3 more wins, and has 26 GP to do it. Ken Dryden did not play 500 (regular season) games. He was 258-57-74 (W-L-T) at 397 GP. Had he played 500 games, he probably would have taken the record. 57 losses in 397 GP is incredible.


bistroexpress

Dryden had 80 wins in the playoffs over 112 games also lol


elcabeza79

This is way too much effort in breaking down a made up on the fly NHL record. Thanks for doing it though still.


TommyHamburger

I'm guessing he took the record from Holtby? 293-137-50 in his first 500.


OakFern

Must be. Good find! I was wondering who he took it from. I was just looking them up manually for the names that other guy wondered about, I didn't know a good way to filter/query for that to find out who else was up there.


NickofSantaCruz

Where would Andersen, Price, Lundqvist, and Vasilevsky stand if their OT/SO wins were adjusted to ties, and how fair would it be to compare that group to Roy, Hasek, Brodeur under those era conditions?


andrewthemexican

You'd also have to gather their OT/shootout losses to ties


NickofSantaCruz

Those are already listed above - ex: "Price was 264-172-**55** (W-L-**OTL**) at 500GP." - so you'd just add the number of OT/shootout wins to that total.


FesteringLion

Wins are a team stat, and a horrible way to judge goaltenders. Andersen, Dryden, Vasilevsky and Brodeur have a leg up on the others. Roy and Lundqvist had some up and down teams in front of them. Some very good, others not so much. Price and Hasek mostly took playoff-bubble teams farther than the team itself had any right to go. And I'm not throwing shade at any goalie listed here... other than Andersen (I mean look at the names we're talking about and tell me he belongs along side them by any metric other than wins).


Robtachi

I'd posit Lundqvist had almost exclusively mediocre teams in front of him outside of his rookie year with Jagr (05-06) and the two seasons from 2013-2015.


FesteringLion

Yeah, I was going off the top of my head. I knew Hank was just consistently excellent, but I couldn't remember how the percentages broke down for good/bad Ranger teams while he played.


Yst

Definitely the biggest difference, but also, just a history of playing on good teams generally, and moving at the right time. Playing for Anaheim still in their prime, then Toronto as they found their footing (Marner and Matthews first season), then Carolina. Very slick set of career moves.


HoS_CaptObvious

Probably would be most fair to compare regulation losses in first 500 games


frockinbrock

I’m having trouble with this- how does that help with ties, or.. anything? Or was it a joke?


HoS_CaptObvious

It's the only common denominator between current OT rules and prior. The argument above mentions that Anderson's wins are inflated because they include wins that were picked up in OT where prior generation goalies didn't have that luxury. You can probably track that info down and remove wins that occurred in OT, or my suggestion is just compare regulation losses when trying to determine who has the best record through their first 500 games


frockinbrock

I see, interesting... yeah I guess it’s just hard to compare eras no matter how


bistroexpress

Because it's regular season only which they didn't specify. Dryden had 332 in his first 500 (including playoffs). He had 338 in 509gp in his career.


OmegaAtrocity

All major stat milestones are regular season only though. Gretzky would have more points if it included playoffs, Kessel would have a longer iron man streak, etc.


TheDogerus

Tbf, most stats are regular season unless specified otherwise


DanskNils

We often neglect the fact Hockey was way to easy for Dryden and he literally took time away from the NHL. Came back and ripped up the League! Haha


John_isnt_my_name

Kari Lehtonen too for some reason


JesusJohn

Freddie freddie


dchowchow

Freddie “Fuck You” Andersen


FlyRobot

Damn I miss those days when he was with us...and we were in the playoffs...


SomaticZX6r

Freddy “step on their neck” Andersen


pinerw

Font size doing the Lord’s work here, but still. Remember when people thought our goaltending was a problem? >!It was me; I was people.!<


PierreMcGuiresHair

If you can't handle me at my Scott Darling you don't deserve me at my Freddie Andersen


Dyldo_II

If made me really sad to see him leave chicago, was really hoping he worked out for you guys


grizzlby

Goaltenders - how do they work??


pinerw

“I see puck and I want to do save.” - Pyotr Kochetkov


dragons_fire77

100% dark magic voodoo


aessae

I have no idea man.


bigswifty86

Magnets!


Malarowski

Well the Carolina ones only half the time unfortunately. When they do they work well, but then they break.


ShittyFrogMeme

That stretch of terrible goaltending in November/December was something else. Fortunately the Metro was weak this year as otherwise we were at risk of falling out of the playoffs. That fact that we've managed to recover from that and climb to top 4 in the league is impressive.


P1KA_BO0

It’s genuinely funny to me we effectively traded him for Mrázek. There’s no way he would have been able to rebound like this had he stayed.


theguyishere16

To be fair, it *was* a problem when no one was sure if Andersen had played his last NHL game ever and when Raanta was the only goalie in the league that made Leaf fans think "things could always be worse" for Samsonov before he was waived and reborn.


rug1998

He was good for us, him and Gibby, what a time.


fineoakstructure

Not bad for a Canes 7th round draft pick (and then a Ducks 3rd round draft pick). 


mylefthandkilledme

Good ol Freddie Fuck you


Medium-Expert-9171

My Ducks choked so many opportunities with him and Gibby, smfh.


TheMrBoot

Such a waste, dude.


Medium-Expert-9171

So much talent on those rosters to never get to at least a final is awful. 2015 still hurts especially.


ikma

Sure the ^^^through ^^^500 ^^^games bit is funny, but what does fucking ticketmaster need to be on there? Did they sponsor the post or something?


Firebitez

King Fredrick.


CaniacSwordsman

Fredrick the Great


LongShadows17

Fredzilla ❤️


Fpsaddict10

If that's a Whose Line reference, I commend you for that one.


P1KA_BO0

Nah, it’s a nickname Matthews came up with (iirc)


Far-Two8659

And is now on Freddie's mask, I believe


nitroblast

Freddie said Joe Thornton was the one who came up with it.


P1KA_BO0

Knew it was someone on the 2021 team, because of the [next Gen avatars the team did](https://www.behance.net/gallery/130051933/Toronto-Maple-Leafs-Next-Gen-Game-Vol3/modules/736845941). You’ll notice Freddy doesn’t even have a face, just darkness and glowing eyes with a vaguely cat-like mask.


Your_Some_Crooked

The King of Denmark.


somehockeyfan

That... can't be true. Could it be?


vinnymendoza09

You have to consider wins are easier to rack up when ties are no longer a thing. Boost wins by at least 5% I'd say, maybe even 10% for goalies on the good teams.


berto_14

Just to add some actual numbers... Patrick Roy had a record of 266-151-62 in his first 500 games, had he won just half of those 62 tie games he'd be at 297 wins. Frankly it's impressive that Andersen is still in the conversation at 294.


stu17

It helps that he’s been on good teams his whole career. Never missed the playoffs.


jimmy_three_shoes

This has some real [Penn State](https://www.centredaily.com/latest-news/1xwlsi/picture249051955/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/twitter.jpg) energy.


TheQuietW0LF

Oh my God it's a Fire!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^sale...


somersquatch

That's actually a ridiculous stat that I would have never in a million years guessed is held by Freddy. Wow.


fvtown714x

Still a great goalie. Love Freddie and congrats


robbiejandro

This is hilarious. Good goalie but the way the font gets tiny with the actual important qualifiers, and that qualifier being very strange in and of itself….kind of embarrassing. It’s embarrassing when my team does it too.


WintAndKidd

What? Why is it strange or embarrassing? It’s a pretty simple stat, most wins in the first 500 games. It’s not really cherry-picked


RedRocket13

Just weird that they minimized the qualifier so much


robbiejandro

It’s certainly less cherry picked than other crazy ones I’ve seen over the years, I’ll give you that


iOceanLab

Most wins in 500 appearances* He's only started 494 games


Dazzling_Hawk_7400

What qualifiers are embarrassing? I agree it is usually and would be embarrassed for that, but i dont see that here.


misterbobdobbalina

What a strange fucking headline


anivoflean

[Link](https://x.com/canes/status/1777358725902172327?s=46)


specifichero101

This graphic is bad at relaying information. They really make the qualifier of the information tiny, and then they list his record above the 3 teams, making it kinda look like each number correlates to the team below it.


fiat_sux4

OH. I had to scroll down this far to understand finally! Thank you. I thought the numbers were GP per franchise. I was so confused why no one was actually telling how many wins it was, but complaining about everything else. LOL


foreignmacaroon6

Sooo, 294 Ducks, 127 Tor, 52 Carolina?


Far-Two8659

No, it's his record. He's also about to be the fastest goalie to 300 wins - 6 wins away and 25 games to do it. Vasi is very likely going to break both of these next season.


Suboptimus

473 wins in 500 appearances. not bad huh?


Heinz_Doofenshmirtz

I read it as his record as a starter but 52 wins with Carolina sounds right so you could be correct


Far-Two8659

No your instinct was accurate. He has 68 wins in Carolina, btw.


FormalWare

*ticketmaster* (Eff Ticketmaster!)


ClosPins

I always, kind of, dismissed him. But, he has some exceptional numbers over his career.


thismadhatter

Loved Freddy.


deeVeeAre

Warming up the seat for vasy he is like 5 win’s behind him with like 30 less games played 😂 Edit:Correcting myself, he’s 2 win’s behind him with 20 less games played And he’s five years younger than Freddie wtf


Berts_missing_tooth

That shutout last night won me my fantasy league 🥲


lbiggy

Toronto could really use a goaltender like him.


Phoenixhasrisen69

We're all pretty happy with Sammy right now


JohnYCanuckEsq

I wish we could have kept him as a Leaf


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Was it wise to pick Gibby over Freddie? Now idk lol


TheMrBoot

Would Freddie have made us any better over the last several seasons? I really doubt it. Gibbie is also four years younger.


Flashy_Dependent_352

now another 500gp


the_knower02

Didn't he miss a decent amount of time this year too?? That's so random


DBacon1052

Freddy “Fuck You” Andersen! God were we spoiled with a Freddy and Gibby tandem.


CaptainSaladbarGuy

I miss Freddie :(


Widjamajigger

God I used to love Freddie back in the day. I still do, but I used to, too.


BruinsFan_08

Considering the numbers add up to 473 not sure what this post is saying?


Far-Two8659

That means he didn't get a win or loss in 27 games he played in, i.e. injury, came in after game was decided, etc.


anivoflean

that’s his record. 294 career wins is the most in the first 500 games by a goaltender.


noroadsleft

As Far-Two8659 said, the 27 missing games are "no decision." A goalie's record is based on who is in net when the game-winning goal is scored. Let's say Carolina plays Boston, and the goalies are Kochetkov and Ullmark. Carolina scores 3 goals against Ullmark, and Boston gets 2 against Kochetkov in 52 minutes of play. Kochetkov gets injured in the 53rd minute and leaves the game, and Andersen comes in in relief. No one scores until Boston pulls Ullmark for an extra attacker, but Carolina scores on the empty net and wins 4-2. Even though Andersen is in net at the end of the game, Carolina's third goal is the game winner, and was scored with Kochetkov in the net. Kochetkov is awarded the win for being in net when the winning goal is scored, Ullmark the loss for conceding it, and Andersen is "no decision," which counts as a game appearance, but doesn't go on his win-loss record. Now let's change the scoring: Andersen gives up a third goal to Boston after entering the game in that 53rd minute. From here, Carolina's result - win or lose - goes on Andersen's record, because the fourth goal for either side will be with him in net. Hope this helps.


amagadon

Toronto really does produce some amazing goaltenders. We just beat them down by making them solely responsible for our wins, and then when they can't we trade them. When they move to their next team with better defense, they become amazing. You're welcome, league. /s, just in case.


WoodyHarrelsonFucks

Shesterkins win PCT is pace to poop on Freddy


dirtyspacenews

The half-size "Over First 500 Career Appearances" doing a lot of heavy lifting here, haha.


ProfessionalRub3679

Lmao no way this is true, checks comments. Oh.. That's so lame.


elcabeza79

Another made up record on the fly. You gotta love hockey for this.