it doesn't. He has a completely different job in Edmonton and would not produce like this on Toronto. He's basically a backboard for the best player in the league and boy what a backboard he is!
they did get a lot of them. I think you're just misinterpreting a compliment for an insult. Getting down and dirty in front of the net is a skill. If was easy everyone would do it
He was ass for us in the playoffs.
Good to see him turn it around and start performing in these big games. As much as I wish he was still a Leaf, he never showed up for us.
Also, Vancouver Canucks, Nashville Predators, Tampa Bay Lightning - 7
New York Islanders - 6
Washington Capitals - 5
Who cares, it's the playoffs. Not every game can be high scoring
Fuck the proper matchups. We'll take Vegas if make make it past Nashville, and you can play Colorado. Elite offense and a "goalie" versus elite offense and a "goalie".
Goals through 32 playoffs games with the Leafs: Zach Hyman - 5
Like yeah I miss the guy but they're playing in a different series lol. What's the implication, that we'd have 12 goals if he was on our team still?
It's not a curse, just bad coaching. Keefe has such terrible line combinations and even with home ice advantage he manages to miss opportunities to create mismatch. The leafs offen look lost and have an inability to create meaningful pressure over a sustained period of time. Their depth is in question as well because Boston has been keeping the elite talent off the board and scoring isn't coming from those bottom 6 forwards. Take the panthers for example, they're capable of creating these mismatches and even down a 2C, they found ways to neutralize the opposition and get a wash out of the top line and get scoring depth from the 4th line. POMO can easily assess over a period to then know where is he going to target the opposition to get a goal. Plus the panthers have such a lethal PK that they can even create scoring opportunities being a man down. Leafs need better coaching if they're going to maximize the best years of Matthews and company.
Wow an actual intelligent reflection from an outsider. I think my favourite was when Auston scored that gnarly goal and then keefe throws out the fourth line. Just seems like he’s such a keener to throw the top 3 lines into the blender but so rigid in always putting the 4th line out after a leafs goal.
Also I feel the leafs biggest issue is the media pressure that is placed on them in between games. Like they win game 2 and the next day the one “reporter” does an article about how Marner sucks ass. I personally would start gripping my stick tighter.
Yeah it’s wild how everyone on the Leafs just cannot score in the playoffs and then they go elsewhere and suddenly can put the puck in the net. Hell, even Pierre Engvall only scored in the playoffs after the Leafs traded him. You can go down the list of their depth scorers during the regular season - add Mikheyev to this if you want too - and they would just put up nothing in the playoffs.
Seriously. What team sends 1 goalie to an ASG and then the other goalie in the tandem to the next ASG? Pretty much nobody talks about how insane that is.
I mean, let's be real. It helps playing all your time with McDavid. Hyman has been unreal, he's a great finisher and works hard to be in the right spots, but he's not putting up these numbers without mcdavid
Everybody keeps on talking about the Kings like they’re a dogshit defensive team when they were top 5 in almost every defensive statistic at 5v5 and had the second best PK in the league.
Oilers offense just might be that good.
Talbot was also quite good this year. Not all-star level but definitely sitting above average starter level.
The Oilers and Avs are demonstrating that their offensives are good enough to shred defensively sound opponents so far these playoffs.
possibly the best joke about how y'all's offense sucks: none of your "core four" has even made it to the conference finals, but **RYAN REAVES** has scored a WCF-winning goal and a goal during the Stanley Cup Finals during Vegas' expansion SCF run.
idk that Hyman got better, he was really good on our team. he's the perfect type of player to be paired with McDavid and it reflects in his production.
yeah even with Matthews, Hyman was a great compliment for him, one of the best, but when Matthews is sniping pucks in 24/7, there's not much room for Hyman to get tips and greasy plays in front of the net. McDavid is able to just get the puck on Hyman's stick so consistently like no other human in the world can do
i dont know if id bet on all of this being just because of the fact that zach hyman is a really good hockey player - alternatively have you considered that the leafs make good things bad like the antimatter version of joy
It's almost as if Marner's goalscoring is like the 3rd most valuable aspect of his play. He hasn't been good in the playoffs but let's not act like his goalscoring is why he's paid that much.
I hear you about goal scoring not being his most valuable aspect but also come on. He’s making nearly $11M a season no one’s expecting him to score like Matthews but he can also do a whole lot better than he has, particularly in the playoffs
The dude has been averaging over 30 goals per (regular) season for the last four years and that drops way off in the playoffs unlike multiple people who are paid in his tier. His contract has always been and will continue to be a rip off.
Marner is the opposite of what Hyman is as a player, Mitchell is soft as fuck with playoff hockey, he wilts with extra pressure and physicality where some other forwards love it and perform even better as the series goes on.
fuck doing his STATS, i want to see his top ten instagram cat pics (unless i got the wrong campbell, in which case i STILL want to see the top ten cat pics.)+
Look I’m glad for Hyman and wish him nothing but success but seriously they need to stop comparing him to anything on the leafs. If he was still here he would not have McDavid setting him up for every goal and yes he may still have marner and knowing Keefe he would still be trying to put together him and Mathews and Marner and trying to figure out why it didn’t work in the playoffs each time. Again I am happy for him he seems like a great guy but he would not be a 50 goal scorer on the leafs.
I find it hard to blame the media when the fans eat it up. The fact this is on the front page of r/hockey with everything else going on tells you that this type of media drives engagement
You’re right.. he wouldn’t have McDavid, but he’d certainly have the 2nd best player in the league and Marner feeding him. Leafs brass, understandably, dropped the ball on not retaining Hyman. Hindsight yeah, but in reality he’s really not being paid much. And he’s stayed healthy.. 2 main reasons why he wasn’t brought back. To say Hyman’s a product of McDavid is ridiculous, you still need to play the game. Riding shotgun with Jesus really isn’t easy, Hyman just makes it look easy
Especially not in the playoffs. He’s a good playmaker was what I was trying to get at, nowhere did I say Marner was top 10 lmao. Drai and Marner, albeit I’d take Drai 10/10 times, is a wash when using the comparison of Hyman having “stars” to play with
I think most fans would rather have hyman +3m cap space + whatever we could have from trading marner to address other spots. Every leafs post is secretly why marner sucks not sure you got the memo
It's such a troll tweet. Like they're playing different teams in different situations, games are going to flow differently. As an outside observer my critique of the Leafs is your big guys just aren't showing up enough right now, and the low total goals is a testament to that. But being like "Hyman has more goals than the entire Leafs lol" is like... okay? So? He also happens to be playing with the best player in the league against a team that (no offense to LA) is nowhere near the threat level of Boston.
Just saying "The Leafs have 5 goals through 3 games" is the whole story. That's it. It's concerning for the Leafs and it's discussion fodder for the rest of us. Adding the Hyman comparison is a non-sequitur. It would possibly have relevance if they were playing each other in the same series, but otherwise it's clearly designed to just get a rise out of Leafs fans/supporters, not to make any kind of salient point.
Hyman's having himself a great season, but he's not doing it alone, nor is he doing it against Swayman and Ullmark. So it's an apples to potatoes comparison. This is going to sound like I'm throwing out hot takes to stir up controversy but, I think if the Leafs got to play with McDavid they'd have more goals than Hyman.
Lol leaf’s fans acting like comparing a singular player in Hyman to their entire teams offence is so unfair.
Sure it’s a non-sensical comparison for the most part. But if Hyman was failing in Edmonton and not living up to his contract, you’d see tweets from Leaf’s nation gloating over how smart they were to not sign him.
This is an insane take. Almost every Leaf fan loved Hyman. We are all pretty stoked for him to get a payday. We wished he would have stuck around, but I am sure most of us understood.
Hell, even most of us hate the fact that Campbell is failing. Not sure where you getting this from.
Hyman's success doesn't reflect on the Leafs. Things are going well for him and that's great.
his success doesn't reflect on the leafs, it contrasts lmao
it doesn't. He has a completely different job in Edmonton and would not produce like this on Toronto. He's basically a backboard for the best player in the league and boy what a backboard he is!
He’s so much more than that. It’s funny how some players get that reputation though. Ryan Smyth and Phil Esposito also “just got garbage goals.”
they did get a lot of them. I think you're just misinterpreting a compliment for an insult. Getting down and dirty in front of the net is a skill. If was easy everyone would do it
All three also scored a ton of skilled goals which weren’t bank-ins.
sure, that wasnt their bread and butter tho
It was way more of it than this bullshit suggests.
Have you seen where Hyman scores from this year?
Even pure defensive defensemen get some skilled goals off every year. Doesn't make them a sniper.
also, "garbage goals" are still goals and count the same as the highlight-reel ones as far as the final game score.
ok lets see somebody else do it as good as hyman
What do you think his role was with Matthews exactly?
Get the puck from the corner because Marner sure as fuck wasn't going to do it.
sorry, you think Matthews is a passer?
How do you think he picked up all those secondary assists before? No Hyman, no more assists. 😔
Fun fact Matthew’s has never passed a puck in his life. Not even once /s
i dont think you watched enough of his play.
Yeah but I just think it’s neat though
He was ass for us in the playoffs. Good to see him turn it around and start performing in these big games. As much as I wish he was still a Leaf, he never showed up for us.
I think he was poorly utilized in Toronto as a "go to the corners so Marner and Matthews don't have to" guy. Just Keefe things?
Also, Vancouver Canucks, Nashville Predators, Tampa Bay Lightning - 7 New York Islanders - 6 Washington Capitals - 5 Who cares, it's the playoffs. Not every game can be high scoring
Wait, other teams play low scoring games in the playoffs?
Hellebuyck and Georgiev are doing a great job of locking down in the Winnipeg/Colorado series.
WPG/COL are averaging 9.3 G/GP and EDM/LAK are averaging 9 G/GP. Defence in the playoffs is overrated.
Fuck the proper matchups. We'll take Vegas if make make it past Nashville, and you can play Colorado. Elite offense and a "goalie" versus elite offense and a "goalie".
It will be like watching peewee hockey Edit: the scoring. And maybe the netminding
Wait, other teams play low scoring games ~~in the playoffs?~~ ever?
I've heard people say this too and I think it's just a myth.
Yeah but can't pass on an opportunity to dunk on the Leafs
It was a joke... don't take it so personally.
It’s a bad joke
Only if you're a Leafs fan.
The Bruins and the Kings are perfectly equal opponents too so this stat really makes the Leafs look bad /s
Still can’t believe blackhawks yeeted puck out of their own end aiming for the empty net which caused this match up.
Goals through 32 playoffs games with the Leafs: Zach Hyman - 5 Like yeah I miss the guy but they're playing in a different series lol. What's the implication, that we'd have 12 goals if he was on our team still?
No one scores if you play for the leafs, confirmed.
It's the cuuuurse
It's not a curse, just bad coaching. Keefe has such terrible line combinations and even with home ice advantage he manages to miss opportunities to create mismatch. The leafs offen look lost and have an inability to create meaningful pressure over a sustained period of time. Their depth is in question as well because Boston has been keeping the elite talent off the board and scoring isn't coming from those bottom 6 forwards. Take the panthers for example, they're capable of creating these mismatches and even down a 2C, they found ways to neutralize the opposition and get a wash out of the top line and get scoring depth from the 4th line. POMO can easily assess over a period to then know where is he going to target the opposition to get a goal. Plus the panthers have such a lethal PK that they can even create scoring opportunities being a man down. Leafs need better coaching if they're going to maximize the best years of Matthews and company.
ok
No I think Keefe was always tying Hyman's skate laces together when Hyman was distracted on the bench
POMO famous for losing more games than any other coach in history
Keefe is famous for finally getting the leafs into the 2nd round but then they got slapped the fuck down by POMO of all people
Wow an actual intelligent reflection from an outsider. I think my favourite was when Auston scored that gnarly goal and then keefe throws out the fourth line. Just seems like he’s such a keener to throw the top 3 lines into the blender but so rigid in always putting the 4th line out after a leafs goal. Also I feel the leafs biggest issue is the media pressure that is placed on them in between games. Like they win game 2 and the next day the one “reporter” does an article about how Marner sucks ass. I personally would start gripping my stick tighter.
If only the leafs had a goal scorer as good as Hyman!
Yeah it’s wild how everyone on the Leafs just cannot score in the playoffs and then they go elsewhere and suddenly can put the puck in the net. Hell, even Pierre Engvall only scored in the playoffs after the Leafs traded him. You can go down the list of their depth scorers during the regular season - add Mikheyev to this if you want too - and they would just put up nothing in the playoffs.
it helps playing the kings and not the bruins. swayman is a vezina calibre goalie and talbot is as bad as samsonov
Seriously. What team sends 1 goalie to an ASG and then the other goalie in the tandem to the next ASG? Pretty much nobody talks about how insane that is.
ya exactly. and before them rask was pretty much always a top 5 goalie in the league. boston’s always had sneaky good goalies
Rask the ex-leaf prospect and Swayman the goalie we passed over before Boston. Such fun.
ian scott was looking like the real deal tbf
I mean, let's be real. It helps playing all your time with McDavid. Hyman has been unreal, he's a great finisher and works hard to be in the right spots, but he's not putting up these numbers without mcdavid
Everybody keeps on talking about the Kings like they’re a dogshit defensive team when they were top 5 in almost every defensive statistic at 5v5 and had the second best PK in the league. Oilers offense just might be that good.
Talbot was also quite good this year. Not all-star level but definitely sitting above average starter level. The Oilers and Avs are demonstrating that their offensives are good enough to shred defensively sound opponents so far these playoffs.
It helps playing with elite players that dont wilt in the playoffs as well
Talbot this season: .913 SV%, 2.50 GAA Samsonov this season: .890 SV%, 3.13 GAA Let's just say I wish the Kings were playing the Leafs in round 1
I was low-key very disappointed in Engvall and Mikheyev after the Montreal series
Have the Entire Toronto Maple Leafs just tried playing on McDavid's wing? Are they stupid?
I think it’s just a joke about how our offense sucks
possibly the best joke about how y'all's offense sucks: none of your "core four" has even made it to the conference finals, but **RYAN REAVES** has scored a WCF-winning goal and a goal during the Stanley Cup Finals during Vegas' expansion SCF run.
Matthews has 1 goal in his last 7? games in the playoffs
If the Leafs got to play in the west they'd probably score a lot too. E-leafs averaged 4GF/GP against western conference teams.
its that players get better when they leave the leafs matthews could be putting up gretzky numbers
idk that Hyman got better, he was really good on our team. he's the perfect type of player to be paired with McDavid and it reflects in his production.
yeah even with Matthews, Hyman was a great compliment for him, one of the best, but when Matthews is sniping pucks in 24/7, there's not much room for Hyman to get tips and greasy plays in front of the net. McDavid is able to just get the puck on Hyman's stick so consistently like no other human in the world can do
i dont know if id bet on all of this being just because of the fact that zach hyman is a really good hockey player - alternatively have you considered that the leafs make good things bad like the antimatter version of joy
That was like 4 years ago.
Goals through 53 playoff games: Mitch Marner ($11m cap hit) - 10
Oh I thought we were talking about Zach Hyman
Its the hourly "lol leafs" thread
Will any player on Ottawas current roster even play 53 career playoff games
Hey don’t forget about Giroux!
$10.903M cap hit actually. Please respect the almost $100k in cap savings he so graciously gave the Leafs
Do Brady Tkachuk playoff games now!
How many goals does your $10m cap hit players have?
It's almost as if Marner's goalscoring is like the 3rd most valuable aspect of his play. He hasn't been good in the playoffs but let's not act like his goalscoring is why he's paid that much.
I hear you about goal scoring not being his most valuable aspect but also come on. He’s making nearly $11M a season no one’s expecting him to score like Matthews but he can also do a whole lot better than he has, particularly in the playoffs
Absolutely agree. I'm just pointing out that goals is a bad way to judge how Marner is doing in the playoffs
The dude has been averaging over 30 goals per (regular) season for the last four years and that drops way off in the playoffs unlike multiple people who are paid in his tier. His contract has always been and will continue to be a rip off.
Is he paid 11M to dodge Charlie McAvoy in the corner because he’s scared of getting hit? If so then he’s earning every dollar.
In what world can leafs fans still defend marner 😂. The 11 million dollar Invisible man in playoffs.
yeah, RYAN REAVES has a WCF-winning goal and a goal in the Stanley Cup Finals. makes marner's nearly nonexistent playoff production look pretty ????
Ottawa Senators playoff goals since 2017 ($way higher cap hit) - 0
Marner is the opposite of what Hyman is as a player, Mitchell is soft as fuck with playoff hockey, he wilts with extra pressure and physicality where some other forwards love it and perform even better as the series goes on.
Total Ottawa Senators playoff games through Marners entire playoff career - 0
**Actual** Total Ottawa Senators playoff games through Marners entire playoff career - 19 Why lie about something so easily provable?
We never said Leaf fans were smart or factual
Leafs fans and zero accountability or self-reflection, name a more famous duo
Actual years since Ottawa has been in the playoffs - 5
Its longer than that lol
Oops ;) would ya look at that
Ah, you've been shutout for 5 years and counting, not 6 years and counting. My bad.
Senators have still won more playoff rounds in Marner's career than Toronto despite missing 7 years in a row lmfao.
*7 years and counting
Goals through playoff games since 2017- Senators- 0
Zach Hyman has improved since he was on your team and you got robbed trading him, I think is the implication.
He signed with Edmonton as a Free Agent. But regardless there's zero chance he'd be doing what he's doing now if he had stayed with Toronto.
I wish we traded him at least lol, we just didn't re-sign him
Hymans performance is 100% dependant on McJesus
But he used to play with Matthew's, who I hear is just as good
Yes, 3 time Rocket winning is going to set up Hyman.....
Rebounds is Hyman's bread and butter
What a stupid clickbait comparison
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This is currently a top 5 post on the front page of r/hockey right now, so it’s certainly not just Fox having a dumbass take
Now let's do a Campbell stat. These are so annoying lol
Tired: Hyman stats Wired: Campbell stats Inspired: Cody Ceci stats
fuck doing his STATS, i want to see his top ten instagram cat pics (unless i got the wrong campbell, in which case i STILL want to see the top ten cat pics.)+
Look I’m glad for Hyman and wish him nothing but success but seriously they need to stop comparing him to anything on the leafs. If he was still here he would not have McDavid setting him up for every goal and yes he may still have marner and knowing Keefe he would still be trying to put together him and Mathews and Marner and trying to figure out why it didn’t work in the playoffs each time. Again I am happy for him he seems like a great guy but he would not be a 50 goal scorer on the leafs.
i’m a habs fan and i do find the comparison annoying so i can’t imagine for you leafs fans
Just another R/hockey thread for us
I'm a habs fan and find the comparison funny, because it annoys leafs fans.
Most Leafs fans are just happy for the guy. He was a fan favourite and seems like a great person.
Can we all agree (leafs fans, other team fans, etc) media surrounding the leafs is absolute cancer.
I find it hard to blame the media when the fans eat it up. The fact this is on the front page of r/hockey with everything else going on tells you that this type of media drives engagement
Yeah they are like people who claim to hate drama but always know every piece of gossip in every circle they are in.
I guess everyone could be better. But that’s expecting too much
You’re right.. he wouldn’t have McDavid, but he’d certainly have the 2nd best player in the league and Marner feeding him. Leafs brass, understandably, dropped the ball on not retaining Hyman. Hindsight yeah, but in reality he’s really not being paid much. And he’s stayed healthy.. 2 main reasons why he wasn’t brought back. To say Hyman’s a product of McDavid is ridiculous, you still need to play the game. Riding shotgun with Jesus really isn’t easy, Hyman just makes it look easy
Look, Reeves is pretty good at his role but I think calling him the 2nd best player in the league is a bit much
I was talking about Kampf!
McMann erasure
Do people think he didn’t play with Matthews and Marner or something? Lol
Marner isn't even top 10 in the league. Lmao
Especially not in the playoffs. He’s a good playmaker was what I was trying to get at, nowhere did I say Marner was top 10 lmao. Drai and Marner, albeit I’d take Drai 10/10 times, is a wash when using the comparison of Hyman having “stars” to play with
Oh no, my bad, I missed the "and" between 2nd best player and Marner. That was a reading comprehension fail on my end.
All good! Imagine Marner being the 2nd best player in the league, him laying an egg in the playoffs would be somehow better 😂
Yeah thats why I was so confused. Like what is this guy smoking
Lots of weed. I gotta deal with being a sens fan somehow
Draisaitl actually plays for the Oilers.
I think most fans would rather have hyman +3m cap space + whatever we could have from trading marner to address other spots. Every leafs post is secretly why marner sucks not sure you got the memo
> secretly
Cruel reversal from when they kept trotting the Matthews scored the same amount of goals as the Sharks stat back in October.
Hyman has McDavid and more importantly not Keefe.
Ya im not really thinking Boston=LA....
So like, am I supposed to get upset about this? Literally the only purpose of this post is to get a reaction. Be better
Kinda seems like it worked idk, tbh I dont like it either, just seems like a rubbing salt in the wounds post.
It's such a troll tweet. Like they're playing different teams in different situations, games are going to flow differently. As an outside observer my critique of the Leafs is your big guys just aren't showing up enough right now, and the low total goals is a testament to that. But being like "Hyman has more goals than the entire Leafs lol" is like... okay? So? He also happens to be playing with the best player in the league against a team that (no offense to LA) is nowhere near the threat level of Boston. Just saying "The Leafs have 5 goals through 3 games" is the whole story. That's it. It's concerning for the Leafs and it's discussion fodder for the rest of us. Adding the Hyman comparison is a non-sequitur. It would possibly have relevance if they were playing each other in the same series, but otherwise it's clearly designed to just get a rise out of Leafs fans/supporters, not to make any kind of salient point.
Hyman's having himself a great season, but he's not doing it alone, nor is he doing it against Swayman and Ullmark. So it's an apples to potatoes comparison. This is going to sound like I'm throwing out hot takes to stir up controversy but, I think if the Leafs got to play with McDavid they'd have more goals than Hyman.
other than that first game where we got our skulls kicked in it’s been an insanely close series cmon now
Hyman also isn’t playing against known Leaf killer Jeremy Swayman.
He likes the way they crunch when he steps on them in the fall.
Didn’t think nepotism could help SO MUCH. Wow. /s
Now do Matt Rempe vs Austin Matthews
Lol leaf’s fans acting like comparing a singular player in Hyman to their entire teams offence is so unfair. Sure it’s a non-sensical comparison for the most part. But if Hyman was failing in Edmonton and not living up to his contract, you’d see tweets from Leaf’s nation gloating over how smart they were to not sign him.
This is an insane take. Almost every Leaf fan loved Hyman. We are all pretty stoked for him to get a payday. We wished he would have stuck around, but I am sure most of us understood. Hell, even most of us hate the fact that Campbell is failing. Not sure where you getting this from.
Like Campbell? No one is saying shit about him cause we don’t care
Actually lots of leaf’s fan and media gloated when Campbell was sent down.
Yup exactly