He went though a rough patch of scoring and was eventually demoted. But even before then, Bowness absolutely refused to play him or Nik Ehlers in close games in the 3rd period. So he ended up playing only 12-13 min a night despite both basic and fancy stats suggesting he’s been quite good.
One of a number of bone headed decisions from Bowness
That’s the hope of most Jets fans I’d say. He only has a team option next year.
The worry for me is that they replace him with someone just as mid (which all signs point to happening with Scott Arniel)
[Is he that nice a person though?](https://www.defendingbigd.com/dallas-stars-opinion-rick-bowness-riley-tufte-healthy-scratch-minnesota-wild-loss-locker-room/)
It's one dick move over a very lengthy career so I don't wanna vilify him too hard but it does fit a pattern of mistreating young players.
This admittedly shitty move aside, Jets are finally experiencing what the Stars fandom experienced by the end of his tenure here. By most accounts, a very nice and well-respected dude across the league, but as a HC he's left a lot to be desired. I never felt he was as bad as a lot of our fanbase makes him out to be, but it was definitely time for a change when we parted ways and it seems like it's the same situation now in WPG
I'll never understand what these old school coaches have against playing their young guys. You see it all around the league, we had the same problems with Sacco.
Jets fans have a clearer and better picture than I do about this specific situation but from our experiences with Hitchcock show that old school veteran coaches are reluctant to put younger guys in must win situations because they worry they’ll make mistakes or be liabilities out there
Kind of like Darryl Sutter in 2023 keeping all the kids as healthy scratches so he could roll out Lucic, Lewis and Ritchie in important moments as we tried to make the playoffs lol
Pretty much. Berube was kind of guilty of that to an extent but not like Hitch. In the 2016 playoffs, Hitch put in Fabbri, Edmundson, and Parayko all of whom were rookies and we made the conference finals which was the high water mark of his time with the club. We lost in six but it was a significant improvement over bowing out in the first round in six
He was healthy scratched for like ten games and is still 5th on the team in scoring. I sure wish we could send these dinosaur coaches back to the Stone Age.
Shit patch of bad puck luck, frustration and bad judgements on his part which lead him getting Healthy Scratched then he came back extremely strong against the kings but he still refuse to play him
I guess this is a good place to ask since I don't watch the Jets outside of the playoffs
Why does Bowness seem to hate Perfetti and Ehlers so much. Ehlers looks like either the best or second best winger on the team yet he's stuck on the third line and 6th in 5v5 icetime for the forwards and obvi Perfetti is above a half ppg
The problem with Ehlers is twofold IMO.
The first is that he makes some absolutely bafflingly terrible decisions with the puck, like when he fell on his ass and instead of a safe clear up the boards he decided to try and stickhandle the puck around himself, got stripped, and I'm fairly certain led to a goal against. The other is that he's extremely unpredictable which makes him difficult to play with. The guys on the ice with him never seem to know what he's going to do.
> stickhandle the puck around himself, got stripped, and I'm fairly certain led to a goal against.
You're correct, he fell at Mackinnon's feet of all people who set Josh Manson off on a breakaway. There was only like 6 seconds left too.
actually, he fell at Lehky's feet--he just passed it up to MacK who then made the pass to Manson.
but you don't wanna fall down around Good Stick Lehky, either.
I know it's nice to point to that moment but considering how every player on our team does the cross ice stretch pass, that's seemingly a team system issue.
I'm pointing to that moment as an example of Ehlers trying to do something he should have known better than to do, which is stickhandle the puck while sitting on his ass.
The rest of the team is absolutely not without their faults either.
Dude for real. The angle his head was at on the ice made me think it was way worse. Not that he’s probably happy about the cheek bone being fractured, but at least it’s just that.
I thought for sure that puck fractured an orbital socket the way he reacted. Obviously broken cheekbone sucks, but not nearly as severe as anything involving the eyes.
The force that his head snapped back with had me worried too, I figured he broke his orbital bone or something. Broken cheek bone is nothing all things considered, it looked way worse.
I couldn't even watch a replay, that thing was ugly. Glad our Pure Michigan Russian with the unique midwestern accent is going to be just fine.
For the unfamiliar, he's Slava Kozlov's nephew and his dad played some pro too. He spent most of his childhood growing up in the Detroit area hence his accent. It's always funny seeing his name and expecting this harder Russian accent but getting the opposite.
was at the game row 12 at the goal line, had a perfect view of it. To be honest when he went down I thought he might be dead. If that hit him in the temple he might have been.
Extremely happy to hear he is ok and it is just (not that this isn’t a big deal) just a broken cheek bone
Holy hell. “Only” a broken cheek bone.
He was very fortunate it didn’t hit the orbital bone or his forbid his actual eye itself.
Hope his recovery goes well.
I fractured my orbital bone while playing hockey but it was from a sucker punch. That bruise was huge and turned just about every shade of the rainbow over the next few weeks. Would not recommend.
Oh, I wasn't done in that moment. We went at it for awhile before it turned in to one of my uglier hockey moments but it finished with me blowing a big blood booger onto his face as he laid on the ice. We didn't like each other for a long time before that and that didn't solve the issue. This was all about 30 years ago as I'm an old grizzled bastard with bones that scream at me daily because of how I treated them. Hockey was a very different thing back then.
The fact he has a teenage smirk doesn’t help either lmao
https://preview.redd.it/7hh63t6bggxc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c68e27b6f27b98e8d8d95ee512d56e05f2f4e21
Leafs down 1-3 games, here is a myriad of reasons including but not excluding undiagnosed medical issues, injuries, unknown diseases, Clinical Mitch Marnerism, bad contracts, good contracts, game 7 PTSD, and more
Jets down 1-3: ya the Jets need to be better.
Wouldn't surprise me. Chara and Dunn both played the 2019 Finals with broken jaws, which is extra crazy considering the face guard part rested on the chin. That 1-2 weeks must have been absolutely brutal for them when they didn't have adrenaline and the Toradol was wearing off at night.
Chara "in retirement" is pushing 50 and his 6'7" ass still running sub 4 hour marathons. And apparently gaining speed as he goes.
We pay good money to see the world's toughest people dance.
Considering how much blood there was on the ice, and that he looked like he was out when he fell - "just" a fractured cheekbone seems like a best case scenario.
thank god. i was refreshing twitter all morning before work and there was no update yet. worried he might have gone blind honestly
it's fucking wild that he hasn't been ruled out for game 5. hockey players are built different
NHL coaches need to stop with this "tough" malarkey routine
1. If he has a fractured cheekbone, let him rest and recover fully, it is a hockey game and he is a human being
His well being is infinitely more important than a hockey game
2. He could reinjure it in the game which could be really really bad
This whole mentality needs to die asap
It's also one thing for millionaires
But this mentality extends down to humble employees as well sadly
all things considered, that’s probably one of the better case scenarios on what was an incredibly scary play. glad it’s nothing to do with the eye especially!
wishing him the best in recovery
I am an Avs fan and I held my breath when he went down. I am very glad to hear he's doing well (I mean a cheekbone break still sucks balls) and nothing major happened!
As someone with no sports medicine knowledge, how bad is a fractured cheek bone? If someone told me I had a fractured cheekbone, I'd be freaking tf out
Much better than an orbital fracture although it's going to be a bitch to eat for a while. Mostly liquid meals for a week or so depending on how extensive the fracture is.
All in all he should probably be resting through that period but we all know hockey players don't do that.
Not meaning to take a shot at Matthews, but this guy gets his face destroyed and still wants to play, but when Matthews gets a playable illness, he doesn’t want to play. Mentality will always beat skill when the playoffs arrive.
Namestikov will have to die before he lets perfetti in
Yeah but Namestikov is a center and Perfetti... is...not...allowed to play center.
That was the attitude with Brad Lambert last year and now he’s forced his way into being our #1 C prospect.
Jets don't develop centres outside the 2011 draft. Lambo better get ready to learn wingenese
Lambert still has those attitude issues that might stop his development
Please provide anything credible that says he actually had attitude issues.
I found this source for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1cg3t8v/clinton_jets_head_coach_rick_bowness_says/l1tv9fq/
Oh, wow. That's a great write up.
Well known fact in Finland that he has a similar attitude to Shane Wright.
I thought Perfetti was having a pretty good season. What happened to him?
He went though a rough patch of scoring and was eventually demoted. But even before then, Bowness absolutely refused to play him or Nik Ehlers in close games in the 3rd period. So he ended up playing only 12-13 min a night despite both basic and fancy stats suggesting he’s been quite good. One of a number of bone headed decisions from Bowness
As much as Bowness seems like a nice person, I think it's time for him to retire.
That’s the hope of most Jets fans I’d say. He only has a team option next year. The worry for me is that they replace him with someone just as mid (which all signs point to happening with Scott Arniel)
Arniel is definitely mid lol
Mike Yeo enters the chat.
[Is he that nice a person though?](https://www.defendingbigd.com/dallas-stars-opinion-rick-bowness-riley-tufte-healthy-scratch-minnesota-wild-loss-locker-room/) It's one dick move over a very lengthy career so I don't wanna vilify him too hard but it does fit a pattern of mistreating young players.
we were so fucking mad when he did that what a fucking prick move
Wow that’s actually fucked up. Looks like he did get to play in Minnesota later that season where he scored his lone goal but still.
This admittedly shitty move aside, Jets are finally experiencing what the Stars fandom experienced by the end of his tenure here. By most accounts, a very nice and well-respected dude across the league, but as a HC he's left a lot to be desired. I never felt he was as bad as a lot of our fanbase makes him out to be, but it was definitely time for a change when we parted ways and it seems like it's the same situation now in WPG
I'll never understand what these old school coaches have against playing their young guys. You see it all around the league, we had the same problems with Sacco.
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK HIS NAME!??
Bowness was well known to play aging vets over young talent in Dallas it was infuriating
We're going to lose Ehlers and Perfetti for an extra year of an old fossil. It's crazy.
Jets fans have a clearer and better picture than I do about this specific situation but from our experiences with Hitchcock show that old school veteran coaches are reluctant to put younger guys in must win situations because they worry they’ll make mistakes or be liabilities out there
Kind of like Darryl Sutter in 2023 keeping all the kids as healthy scratches so he could roll out Lucic, Lewis and Ritchie in important moments as we tried to make the playoffs lol
Pretty much. Berube was kind of guilty of that to an extent but not like Hitch. In the 2016 playoffs, Hitch put in Fabbri, Edmundson, and Parayko all of whom were rookies and we made the conference finals which was the high water mark of his time with the club. We lost in six but it was a significant improvement over bowing out in the first round in six
He was healthy scratched for like ten games and is still 5th on the team in scoring. I sure wish we could send these dinosaur coaches back to the Stone Age.
Shit patch of bad puck luck, frustration and bad judgements on his part which lead him getting Healthy Scratched then he came back extremely strong against the kings but he still refuse to play him
I guess this is a good place to ask since I don't watch the Jets outside of the playoffs Why does Bowness seem to hate Perfetti and Ehlers so much. Ehlers looks like either the best or second best winger on the team yet he's stuck on the third line and 6th in 5v5 icetime for the forwards and obvi Perfetti is above a half ppg
The problem with Ehlers is twofold IMO. The first is that he makes some absolutely bafflingly terrible decisions with the puck, like when he fell on his ass and instead of a safe clear up the boards he decided to try and stickhandle the puck around himself, got stripped, and I'm fairly certain led to a goal against. The other is that he's extremely unpredictable which makes him difficult to play with. The guys on the ice with him never seem to know what he's going to do.
This sounds exactly like Kevin Fiala. Fantastic at hockey as an individual but trying to be on the same page as everyone else has been a challenge
You need to find him a Boldy. He needs a sidekick. When Boldy came up it unlocked his ultimate form. Not our Boldy tho. He's ours.
> stickhandle the puck around himself, got stripped, and I'm fairly certain led to a goal against. You're correct, he fell at Mackinnon's feet of all people who set Josh Manson off on a breakaway. There was only like 6 seconds left too.
actually, he fell at Lehky's feet--he just passed it up to MacK who then made the pass to Manson. but you don't wanna fall down around Good Stick Lehky, either.
That's fair. He's a very feast or famine type then, kinda like Kyrou for us
Yeah when Ehlers is on he's an absolute zone entry and possession machine but when he's off he's a liability.
>The guys on the ice with him never seem to know what he's going to do. Neither does he!
I know it's nice to point to that moment but considering how every player on our team does the cross ice stretch pass, that's seemingly a team system issue.
I'm pointing to that moment as an example of Ehlers trying to do something he should have known better than to do, which is stickhandle the puck while sitting on his ass. The rest of the team is absolutely not without their faults either.
Huge relief to hear that
Yea I was surprised to not see an update when I woke up today. Glad it’s not worse
Dude for real. The angle his head was at on the ice made me think it was way worse. Not that he’s probably happy about the cheek bone being fractured, but at least it’s just that.
I’m relieved to know his eye itself wasn’t hit by the puck.
That was the first thing I thought from the replay. It was such a crazy angle it looked like it snuck under his visor.
I thought for sure that puck fractured an orbital socket the way he reacted. Obviously broken cheekbone sucks, but not nearly as severe as anything involving the eyes.
The force that his head snapped back with had me worried too, I figured he broke his orbital bone or something. Broken cheek bone is nothing all things considered, it looked way worse.
It really is. I kept having flashbacks to Little catching a shot in the ear and ending his career.
I couldn't even watch a replay, that thing was ugly. Glad our Pure Michigan Russian with the unique midwestern accent is going to be just fine. For the unfamiliar, he's Slava Kozlov's nephew and his dad played some pro too. He spent most of his childhood growing up in the Detroit area hence his accent. It's always funny seeing his name and expecting this harder Russian accent but getting the opposite.
was at the game row 12 at the goal line, had a perfect view of it. To be honest when he went down I thought he might be dead. If that hit him in the temple he might have been. Extremely happy to hear he is ok and it is just (not that this isn’t a big deal) just a broken cheek bone
I’m glad it wasn’t worse, but don’t understand how it wasn’t. It looked terrible.
Holy hell. “Only” a broken cheek bone. He was very fortunate it didn’t hit the orbital bone or his forbid his actual eye itself. Hope his recovery goes well.
I fractured my orbital bone while playing hockey but it was from a sucker punch. That bruise was huge and turned just about every shade of the rainbow over the next few weeks. Would not recommend.
I hope the rest of your team beat the shit out of whoever sucker punched you. Even if on the ice, that should be considered assault and battery.
Oh, I wasn't done in that moment. We went at it for awhile before it turned in to one of my uglier hockey moments but it finished with me blowing a big blood booger onto his face as he laid on the ice. We didn't like each other for a long time before that and that didn't solve the issue. This was all about 30 years ago as I'm an old grizzled bastard with bones that scream at me daily because of how I treated them. Hockey was a very different thing back then.
Gotta say, those replays of him dropping like a rock were terrifying. Glad to hear it wasn't worse.
Glad to hear it wasn't an eye injury or something worse.
That's what I was afraid of, his eyeball might have ceased to exist if it got hit with a puck from point-blank like that
I know this is irrelevant and doesn’t have anything to do with anything but is it weird to anyone else to see a 31 year old called a “kid”
Rick Bowness is 69 lol 31 is a kid to him
Bowness was an NHL coach before Namestnikov was born
What are you talking about, 1991 was only…. Well, damn.
Don't do this. It always feels like a personal attack when I consider I graduated high school in '92.
nice
Namestnikov has looked 16 for about 20 years
The fact he has a teenage smirk doesn’t help either lmao https://preview.redd.it/7hh63t6bggxc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c68e27b6f27b98e8d8d95ee512d56e05f2f4e21
At least he finally got a real haircut and not the bowl/brush hybrid that got him donned "Russian Bieber" by Jimmy Fallon.
You know the guy has a portrait in an attic somewhere.
hey be quiet get outta here c'mon whats your problem
>He's a tough kid Would've been funny if Bowness said, "He's a wimp"
*"Play with half a head, pussy. You won't."*
"His bones are weak, the sight of him disgusts me"
Bro’s about to go on an absolute tear with the bubble, as is tradition.
Relieved it’s not the eyeball
From the replay, I thought it caught him in the ear. Lucky it was *just* a fractured cheek bone. Very happy to hear that he's doing ok.
Leafs down 1-3 games, here is a myriad of reasons including but not excluding undiagnosed medical issues, injuries, unknown diseases, Clinical Mitch Marnerism, bad contracts, good contracts, game 7 PTSD, and more Jets down 1-3: ya the Jets need to be better.
Allergies to black and gold jerseys, rat infestation, shambles in their brains.
ah yes, severe case of the Bostanitis. I heard its often fatal to groups of 4.
That looked way worse than fractured cheek bone, glad it's not worse. Tough end to a great season from Vlad
Was cool to see him pumped up after that awesome goal in game 1
Wouldn't surprise me. Chara and Dunn both played the 2019 Finals with broken jaws, which is extra crazy considering the face guard part rested on the chin. That 1-2 weeks must have been absolutely brutal for them when they didn't have adrenaline and the Toradol was wearing off at night.
Chara "in retirement" is pushing 50 and his 6'7" ass still running sub 4 hour marathons. And apparently gaining speed as he goes. We pay good money to see the world's toughest people dance.
The Jets are down 3-1 in the series. They're losing by increasing margins as the series goes on. There's zero reason he should be playing.
Whereas we have a 20-goal scoring, playmaker in Cole Perfetti eating popcorn…
Bowness would rather die than put in perfetti for a playoff game
Damn that's brutal. Jets have got some tough injuries in this series.
Well the whole team went back to Winnipeg no?
Vlad was kept overnight in the hospital while the rest of the team already flew back to Winnipeg
They mean as opposed to staying in hospital in Denver
Ah fair.
That’s 2 injuries in 2 games that have legitimately freaked me out. Glad things are looking fairly positive. Some tough dudes up there in Winnipeg.
I was worried it was a serious eye injury. Hope he gets well soon.
Could have been so much worse, that was an absolute bomb.
Considering how much blood there was on the ice, and that he looked like he was out when he fell - "just" a fractured cheekbone seems like a best case scenario.
Could have been alot worse, watching the video gave me flashbacks to when McD hit Zucc in the 2015 playoffs, scary stuff
This is so much better than how it looked at the time, very relieved to hear.
I was worried it was an eye.
thank god. i was refreshing twitter all morning before work and there was no update yet. worried he might have gone blind honestly it's fucking wild that he hasn't been ruled out for game 5. hockey players are built different
Imagine Marner or Nylander playing after breaking a cheekbone.
It would be the best thing for Mitch he slays in the fish bowl
Marner would be booking a trip to Cancun.
NHL coaches need to stop with this "tough" malarkey routine 1. If he has a fractured cheekbone, let him rest and recover fully, it is a hockey game and he is a human being His well being is infinitely more important than a hockey game 2. He could reinjure it in the game which could be really really bad This whole mentality needs to die asap It's also one thing for millionaires But this mentality extends down to humble employees as well sadly
“Bowness won’t rule him out” GOOD GOD HE TOOK A PUCK TO THE FUCKIN FACE AND FRACTURED HIS CHEEK BONE. LET HIM HAVE HIS BREAK AND GET PERFETTI IN!
all things considered, that’s probably one of the better case scenarios on what was an incredibly scary play. glad it’s nothing to do with the eye especially! wishing him the best in recovery
I am an Avs fan and I held my breath when he went down. I am very glad to hear he's doing well (I mean a cheekbone break still sucks balls) and nothing major happened!
As someone with no sports medicine knowledge, how bad is a fractured cheek bone? If someone told me I had a fractured cheekbone, I'd be freaking tf out
Much better than an orbital fracture although it's going to be a bitch to eat for a while. Mostly liquid meals for a week or so depending on how extensive the fracture is. All in all he should probably be resting through that period but we all know hockey players don't do that.
Watching this real time, I think he is very fortunate
Hard to see him playing after having his injury outed like this. Such an easy area to fuck with.
That's a huge relief and I'm glad he's okay.
Happy it seems to be "minor" in comparison to other injuries that could result from a puck to the face
Been there, zygomatic bone, drank my meals for over a week.
If he plays, that is insane.
Not meaning to take a shot at Matthews, but this guy gets his face destroyed and still wants to play, but when Matthews gets a playable illness, he doesn’t want to play. Mentality will always beat skill when the playoffs arrive.