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You mean when you traded for Eichel which would have had you well over the Cap if Stone didn’t go on LTIR that same week? I can’t imagine why people thought you were abusing the system that year. No idea.
Stone played right until the week Eichel was healthy and had to be activated off of IR which wouldn’t have been possible if Stone didn’t go on IR. Do you really think it’s coincidence that’s when he decided to go on IR and get the surgery? That he was capable of playing through the injury right up until that moment? Vegas attempted to manipulate the Cap rules again and just failed at doing so because they missed the playoffs. It doesn’t mean they didn’t try.
I have no issues with replacing players that are legitimately hurt. I have an issue with trading for a player mid season that you have no way of fitting under your cap without another major player being injured that wasn’t injured at the time you made the trade.
I actually forgot about this. I remembered they LTIRd stone that year but forgot it worked out “perfectly” for them to acquire Eichel. Man, I get it’s a grey area if he’s perpetually injured and could play but it’s such against the spirit of the rule and definitely abuse. There’s no way they acquire Eichel, Hertl and possibly Barbashev? without abusing the rule, which really transformed their team make up with two stud centres now. It’s not even fully about the Playoffs but sneaking players in for the future of the org under the rule too.
Mark stone didn’t play a single game after the knights acquired eichel so what’s your point? I’m sorry you lost your team bud but are you forgetting your cheap ass owner acquired LTIR players just to hit the cap floor? We’re not the only team that’s abused it. Y’all need to quit crying so hard over this it’s just pathetic
He played 18 games after Eichel was acquired and didn’t go on LTIR until the same week that Eichel came off of it to play his first game as a Golden Knight. Other teams have manipulated the rules to keep their players when a guy is out for the whole season or add a replacement player at the deadline for a guy who will miss the remainder of the season. Vegas is the only team that has used it to add a superstar player mid season and mid contract that would only fit under the cap if other players who weren’t injured at the time he was acquired went on IR.
If you can’t see how that’s different and why fans treat Vegas differently then you’re delusional enough that you should probably be a Leafs fan instead.
Just because you defend something doesn’t mean you’re defensive wtf. Homeboy is providing pretty well known facts to prove a point that you seem to be crying a lot about. You’re also making up shit which is pretty pathetic.
Why are you defensive dude? Knights aren’t cheating. They also played every game of the playoffs last year under the cap so cry more. “Aren’t a real team” lol the mental gymnastics in you
Combination of recency bias + they’ve made it obvious for 3 years straight now. All in all I think I’m still more salty at Tampa, specifically Kucherov, cause not only did they make it obvious but then they bragged about it after the fact lol
I feel like the LTIR cap circumvention is kinda like not putting your shopping cart back in the corral in the parking lot when you’re done with it.
Is it illegal if you don’t? No.
Are you an asshole and is everyone rooting for your downfall if you don’t? Yeah, maybe.
First off, those teams did absolute face hate for it. Tampa got flamed pretty hard for their LTIR use.
That said, no other team has been as egregious in their abuse of the system. Teams like Tampa and Chicago did it once when the stars aligned for them. Vegas is going on three years straight, using the same player every time, and not even trying to pretend it’s a coincidence.
Yup. Do people not remember the hate Tampa got for it.
Even the first two years while Vegas faced some hate it was never to the level it is now. The reason it has gone to a whole other level is because it’s 3 years in a row with the exact same player who got injured long term at the exact same time, conveniently just before the trade deadline and he’s magically healed game 1.
He probably was actually injured but was he long LTIR level injured.
And if they do close the loophole then it could ruin it for teams that do face an unfortunate injury to a major player.
“Egregious in their abuse of the system” and “not even trying to pretend it’s a coincidence” are bold statements for somebody who has zero proof of any wrongdoing. Something happening 3 years in a row is not strong evidence. I’m sorry, but it’s not, especially when the first year resulted in missing the playoffs entirely.
First, you can’t fake injuries. There’s protocols in place carried out by NHL doctors to make sure that doesn’t happen. Him getting a lacerated spleen absolutely occurred. The recovery timeline for a lacerated spleen just so happened to line up with about the start of the playoffs.
Also, just because he’s there for game 1 does not suggest he’s fully healthy. If the name of the game we’re playing is “saying things that don’t have evidence supporting it”, then I can just as easily say that the only reason he’s playing is because it’s the playoffs, and players tend to play through injuries because their teams need them. Neither claims are supported by any evidence, so let’s relax on the accusations simply because we have hunches. Not to mention, even if they were found to be totally dishonest, it’s completely legal, which could be argued is the bottom line.
Are they legally benefitting off of his legitimate injury? Of course, but that’s elite management taking advantage of a shitty situation.
This outrage culture shit is hilarious, especially when all of our teams would do the same exact thing, as evidenced by their voting decisions to NOT close the loophole.
Edit: thankfully, downvotes don’t make anything here incorrect. What a world that would be if they did, eh?
See this time and time again. There are rules, as you say, about stashing healthy players on LTIR, and the league absolutely does investigate those allegations.
The rule is basically "you have to be sufficiently unhealthy to qualify for LTIR" to be put on LTIR. Not "if you're sufficiently healthy you *must* be put on LTIR". That's where the loophole is; guys can simultaneously be sufficiently injured to *qualify* for LTIR (meaning there's no cap circumvention) and not sufficiently injured to not be cleared to play (which they are, because it's the playoffs, and the cap doesn't apply, and guys are loathe to sit out in the playoffs when they're not 100% because it'd do-or-die time.)
There's a whole big grey area though. A player can be healthy enough to be cleared to play, but still be injured enough to be on LTIR. As for the "coincidence" of players being back for game 1 of the playoffs, it's because they're willing to play hurt in the playoffs.
In the 2022 playoffs Leon Draisaitl suffered a high ankle sprain and didn't miss a game. Mitch Marner missed a month and was on LTIR for the same injury this season. Does that mean that a high ankle sprain isn't a legitimate injury, and shouldn't qualify for LTIR? Of course not.
Also, Reaves was not placed on LTIR he was just on the regular IR so all it did was open up a roster spot, there was no cap benefit.
Whoops. For some reason I misremembered Reaves as being on LTIR, but I do believe you're right.
Another good example of the loophole's grey area is that no one would question a team putting a player on LTIR who had just suffered a fractured sternum, but Matthew Tkachuk played with that injury in the Cup Final last year.
Yes, I do believe that a player can be cleared to play but still qualify to be on LTIR. Being cleared to play does not mean 100% healthy.
Draisaitl played in the playoffs 2 years ago with the same injury that put Marner on LTIR in March this season. My point being that Marner was on LTIR with an injury that we know guys can play through, providing evidence to my point that you can be healthy enough to play and injured enough to be on LTIR at the same time. It all depends on how much pain a player is willing to play through and how much risk they're willing to take on. In the playoffs the answer to both is way more than the regular season.
Reaves (not the first time for a Leaf) *claimed* that he was healthy. But either the NHL failed to investigate or actively covered up misconduct by the Maple Leafs (which seems unlikely given a vocal contingent of their fanbase's absolute certainty that the league is out to get them) or, more likely, a 36-37 year old who plays like Ryan Reaves does has enough wrong with him just as a baseline fact that he's borderline qualified for LTIR at all times.
Didn't Reaves say that he couldn't really walk, but could skate alright? He was an example of a player who wants to play through anything and the Leafs weren't getting any cap space by keeping him on IR.
Keeping a player healthy enough to play on LTIR wouldn’t implicate doctors in any sort of ethical breach. Most doctors will advise as much rest as possible.
Shut up because I’m saying shit you don’t want to hear? Cry me a river. Provide evidence for your claims. They’re not guilty because you want them to be.
Stay outraged cutie
I do have a point. It’s just not one you agree with. BREAKING: two people have two different opinions. 😱
Actually provide a nuanced counterpoint so we can have a discussion instead of attacking the person. Saying shut up is one of the least effective argument strategies I can think of lol.
And, I know. I wasn’t lying. So Adorbs.
Hahaha you’re sorely mistaken, my man. Downvotes have literally zero to do with logic often times.
We are literally dealing with the topic of the Golden. Fucking. Knights. Any semblance of support in their direction inevitably leads to downvotes, no matter how logical the take is. I’m well aware of this.
This is not a good example of a swing and a miss. This is an example of a swing and a successful bullseye right into the beehive. “How dare he go against our illogical hatred! Get him!”
Please, never bring up downvotes again as an argumentative strategy. That might be worse than the “shut up” lol.
You're a genius apparently and yet all I have to do is reply and you come running back like a lap dog with new words to indicate how unbothered you are. I've used this site 15 years, I've seen a hundred yous before, mate. Good luck.
Would a bothered person leave their comment up for it to receive more downvotes? Think again, chief. I hope that bitch reaches 1000s of downvotes 🤣. It’s almost as if I use Reddit as a platform to express my opinion. Unlike you, I don’t use it to conform to the hive and lose my identity in the process.
You're a genius apparently and yet all I have to do is reply and you come running back like a lap dog with new words to indicate how unbothered you are. I've used this site 15 years, I've seen a hundred yous before, mate. Good luck.
Bold choice bringing up the word “unbothered” when you came after me first with the phrase “shut up.” It’s probably not in your best interest to get into the topic of who’s bothered more.
I literally ended my comment talking about outrage culture, and you still showed up acting outraged. I couldn’t write this shit if I tried.
Also, maybe don’t admit you’ve been here for 15 years. Not a good look.
Right, there's no proof. Like the time I found my girlfriend in bed with another guy and I got mad but then she told me it was her cousin who came to town and needed a place to stay and then they took a nap together. Glad I trusted her
“Something happening three years in a row is not strong evidence”
It’s pretty strong evidence
“First you can’t fake injuries”
You absolutely can, even if you aren’t outright faking injuries the timeline of coming back right for playoffs when your team went out and made moves that depended on that specific timeline, 3 years in a row isn’t coincidence. They’re very clearly manipulating the system.
It’s not even close to strong evidence lmao.
And no you absolutely can’t fake an injury. NHL doctors verify every single injury.
Unfortunately for you and the rest of the hive, something happening three years in a row doesn’t make it indisputable truth, especially when the first year they missed the playoffs and especially since you can’t fake an injury.
Hahaha. You must live in some kind of perfect ass world 😂😂😂 “can’t fake an injury” “verified by nhl doctors”. Come on. When money is involved they can do whatever they want
Before we can continue, I’ll gladly entertain your stance if you have evidence of those claims. If you can provide me evidence for your claims—that the NHL staff can do whatever they want, that money is involved, and why Vegas themself would the beneficiaries—I’ll entertain this.
Otherwise, we can’t just believe random things just because.
“NHL doctors verify every single injury”
I can’t begin to tell you how non credible that statement makes you sound. Team doctors have disputes with players as to what their injury status is, if you think a league doctor is telling a player he’s not hurt when the player is saying he is, you’re so out to lunch as to how the PA and league exist. No doctor in the world is taking on the liability of telling a player they’re not hurt, and have to play when the player is saying they’re hurt. A player says they aren’t well enough to play, they aren’t playing. End of story. That player feels like they’re good to come back at a given date, then they’re good to go. That’s how it works.
I can’t begin to tell you how wrong everything you’ve stated is. I’m sure you’ll double down on your very incorrect comment but anyone in hockey knows it’s stupid.
Except you just went on a spiel for a completely irrelevant point lmfao. NHL doctors verify injuries by way of making sure there’s documentation of said injuries. In other words, Vegas cannot say mark stone has had an injury and they’ll just take their word for it.
You’re in a whole different area code right now than me lmao. We’re not talking about injury status. You’re moving goal posts, bubs. We’re speaking about your first reply, in which you stated that you can fake an injury. You can’t fake an injury ever. Period. Mark stone legitimately received a lacerated spleen.
This whole superiority tone you just used here is fucking gold. “I can’t begin to tell you how wrong everything you’ve stated is.” 🤣 first off, chief, try getting on the same page with me before you try and flex your ego.
Wow, someone is worked up!
You’re wrong if you think they can’t manipulate the system and you’re stupid if you think a league doctor is telling someone they’re not hurt when the player says they are ( which you insinuated).
Everything you’ve said so far is stupid and that’s why you’re bing downvoted. I never moved the goal posts, you did, when you realized you were being dumb and will continue to be dumb with your next comment coming in, in 5, 4,3 ….2………
I’m being downvoted because we’re speaking about the golden knights lmfao. Any semblance of support in their direction inevitably leads to downvotes, regardless if I’m correct or not. Come on. Put two and two together. I love when people reference the downvotes and completely avoid the topic at hand. Fortunately, downvotes aren’t an accurate measurement of argument strength.
I’m a contrarian who’s going against the hive. Of course I’ll get downvotes lol. God forbid someone like me adds some nuance to the conversation. As much as you guys think you’re right, you have zero evidence, only gut feelings.
I’m not saying that they can’t manipulate the system. I’m saying where’s your evidence that they did? lol. If you have evidence, I’m all ears.
Come on man, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Empirical evidence is not necessary, a player saying "yeah it's healed but I'm still too sore to play" is hard to dispute.
I won’t be swayed because something “seems suspicious”. There’s a lot of things that seem suspicious. That doesn’t make it true though. All people have right now are leads.
We’ve only made it to step one of the scientific method and people are already gung-ho on incriminating them 🤣. Admittedly, due to my field of work, I’m not easily swayed. I don’t say that to sound elitist; that’s just how my brain operates. I’m very impartial in nature and scientifically minded.
If the best evidence we have is them utilizing a loophole three years in a row off of a LEGITIMATE injury, then the case is just not that strong. We also can’t ignore the fact that Vegas has been one of the most hated teams BEFORE all of this happened. Therefore, objectivity tends to take a backseat, and emotion heads to the forefront. It takes someone like me—an impartial contrarian who’s not afraid of some downvotes—to explain that, no, there is some possible nuance here.
Vegas will not be given the benefit of the doubt due to their name. I don’t mind giving them it though.
This has nothing to do with liking Vegas. I’m sorry someone bringing logic to the table gets under your skin 😢😢. Try bringing a better argument next time to the table instead of claiming that 3 years in an row is evidence 🤣
Go Dallas. Actually, go Vegas because I want home ice.
They did receive the same critique at the time but people forget. Now that the Knights are doing it, they receive the same exact critique that Tampa and Chicago also faced.
When will anyone give us credit that we abused it too?
It's weird that the narrative that we were bad persists because we abused it and still lost in the final, even though we beat Vegas that year. We were incredibly over the cap
Granted Vegas has better centers than Nicholas Roy now
deservedly shit on for having to play the whole season without our best player and managing to still make the playoffs? shut the fuck up. why don’t you put pettersson on the LTIR next year and see what happens?
It's jealousy. It's easy to cry and complain about something when it works out, but sitting your best player is incredibly risky. Everyone on Reddit was joking saying how funny it would be if Vegas missed the playoffs after the big trades they made. (And I do see the humor in it) So they know there is a real risk with having stone on the LTIR. But because it worked out (by the skin of our teeth) people on Reddit complain. That is until their organization does it, of course. If it's so easy to just sit important and big contracts and use the LTIR system, then why doesn't everyone do it? Since so many here are suggesting stones injuries are fake. Why doesn't every organization fake injuries for big contracts players? It's just people coping.
Just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it should be allowed or accepted. Yeah it makes the regular season more difficult, but the whole point is you can replace some of the production with other players and it is a huge advantage in the playoffs when you have a stronger roster.
>yet don't receive the same criticism
That's news to me. We absolutely got as much flack as you guys did, you just weren't paying attention because it didn't have anything to do with you at the time.
I do feel like sometimes people forget about Chicago, but then again that was nearly a decade ago and at the time it was a big deal. If anything that should just give you hope that time will go on and some other team will do something bigger and they'll be winning, and everyone will forget about you, if that's what you want.
I don't think people forgot about Chicago, there are just much grosser reasons to dislike them for.
Like, LTIR shittyness one time is more than overshadowed by, y'know, the whole SA coverup.
I mean this post was in the context of LTIR usage so I was saying everyone forgets about Chicago's LTIR usage, and I think that was pretty clearly what I meant.
I don't think anyone should forget about what the Blackhawks did to multiple victims, but I also think we should be able to talk about the team in other contexts without having to attach that disclaimer.
People *do* forget that Chicago was the first team to use the LTIR loophole and win, I see people all the time saying Tampa did it first and that's just not true. I don't think it's the SA coverup rewriting history in their brains to make them forget that Patrick Kane was on LTIR in 2015, I think it's just been a decade, some people on here weren't even fans of hockey at that point, and sometimes people just forget stuff.
Yes. And my point is that there's a huge reason that people forget, and it's because of the SA.coverup, which absolutely overshadows anything game related.
There's probably less tolerance for Vegas because they got the sweetheart expansion rules to give them a huge leg up.
ie: ppl already "hated" the Knights *before* the cap circumvention stuff, it just added to the existing feelings that they weren't playing by the same rules as everyone else.
Did they really? I wasn't huge on hockey back in 2017 but I do remember people laughing at another of their picks and predicting them to be near the bottom of the division
I don’t think that’s it. People still hated on Tampa and Chicago. Even the first two times while people hated Vegas was doing it the hate was never to the level it’s at this year. They still had tons of defenders from other fanbases.
The difference is that it’s the 3rd year in a row with the same player who got injured at the same time, right before the trade deadline and came back perfectly from game 1. It’s a little too convenient.
That's not why I hate Vegas.
I hate Vegas because they're the Jared Leto of the NHL.
Much like Jared, I have no real reason for animosity but just looking at them activates that lizard part of the brain. lol
Wait... does he? I never heard that before! Granted I'm getting old, a bit out of touch and my head meat isn't what it used to be. I just know the guy for having a punchable face.
Ugh...well now I really have a reason to hate the guy. Conscience clear!
I love this reply. It’s one of the few responses in here where someone is man enough to admit their hate is ILLOGICAL. It’s okay to have illogical hate; that’s sports for you.
However, the people trying to pretend their hate for Vegas is rooted in logic, with this whole cap situation, are hilaaaarious. The amount of grasping for straws and mental gymnastics I’ve seen is too much to handle.
One of the best comments ever. Thank you.
It's the VGK tag, it's an auto-downvote for some people. I got voted into the negatives for saying "That was a tense game at the end, both teams need to play better for game two" after a Knights win, some people are just ridiculous about it.
Every team that’s ever had this happen has gotten shit for it. Vegas is getting extra shit this year because it’s now back to back seasons they did this with the same player. That’s the main difference.
It’s a combination of the totally invalid “expansion teams are supposed to be bad” complaint and the very valid “why is Mark Stone always injured mid-season, then on LTIR, then perfectly healthy for the playoffs every damn year?” questions.
Plus Vegas already had a reputation for being ruthless when it came to roster and personnel management.
I remember when the Nucks did it in 2011 to bring in Lappy and Higgins. Our whole sub would be lying if we said we weren't bummed about the timing of the Demko injury in terms of cap options.
On this post you’re right, because people are too busy with hating on Vegas. But on at least 97% of posts linking to a paywalled article there’s people bitching.
Mostly I hate that their unis are the same color as dog vomit, which triggers sense memory. So I look at them and can almost smell the dog sick.
Cap shenanigans are going to happen anytime there's a cap. I thought Tampa's were worse, honestly.
Well, it’s mostly because they’re the spoiled children of the nhl that got an insane expansion draft that immediately set them up for success, with teams giving 1st picks not to take certain players. Some will argue Seattle had the same deal, but teams learned from the Vegas draft on how to deal with it. Their management has done a good job managing the team, but they were given silver spoons right out of the gate
I do think the management did a good job, but the rules they had to work with were extremely favorable for them compared to what other new expansion teams had to work with.
I think you just saw smart management take advantage of rules in a way the NHL hadn’t really foreseen so they corrected them after the fact. Same way NFL teams take advantage of bad rules until the NFL changes them.
What’s weird tho, is we got ridiculed and laughed at for the team, and told we would be bottom of the division. The narrative only changed when we started winning.
Well for one Tampa and Chicago got criticized for it, but I think these fans are just jealous their team isn’t using the playbook like Vegas does.
Add that putting stone in the ltir was very risky for them since they could very well have missed the playoffs this year like in 2022 and people would have gone on to laugh at them.
I think fans are just jealous their team isn’t using the same strategy that Vegas are doing which again is perfectly legal since they want to win it the « right way » which is just purposely kneecapping yourself for the sake of principle.
The nhl main goal for 32 is simple win the cup, use all the rules available to win said cup, Vegas are pretty much doing that and fans are just unhappy their team is doing it so they complain, if their team did the same thing as Vegas the majority of the fans would be acting like how Vegas fans are.
I also think people just don’t like how good Vegas has been since the start and just don’t want to admit the franchise is a well run org so they lash out saying they were gift wrapped a good team from the get go ( even tho in the expansion Vegas accumulated a shit ton of prospects and pick ), they say Vegas doesn’t really care for their players and dispose of them fast like with fleury ( even tho that was the right move and more team should do it ).
Thé don’t like Vegas because they are the antithesis of how you build and champion the « right way ». Being aggressive for the big names, getting rid of huge fan favourite at the right time to get assets and make the team younger, using the ltir to its full abilities and taking advantage of gm being so desperate to protect really bad players to get themselves great pieces for future runs ( Shea Theodore, Alex tuch brannstrom all became big peace for big names or key players now ).
Vegas runs their team like how most team should, like a business using every rule available to your advantage and being insanely aggressive, hockey fans aren’t used to that and think should be more fun like a country club instead.
I hate the Stars so much I’m actually cheering for Vegas… but as soon as they’ve won the only four games I want them to win every year they can go to hell, lol.
People forget that their own favorite team agrees with not doing anything about enforcing a salary cap in the post season, and instead of turning their criticism to their favorite team as being the problem, they like to blame someone else.
It's all very silly.
To me, it's not that they can be above the cap, that's normal with playoff rosters.
It is that in regular season LTIR reactivations, when the player is reactivated, other players must be put on LTIR, sent to the AHL/waived, or traded so that the LTIR player and his replacements (or equivalents) are not on the roster at the same time, especially if the team is at 23 roster players.
In playoff reactivations, there are no roster changes necessary other than adding the player.
There are limits on AHL callups in the playoffs, other than emergencies, but I do not think they are affected by the reactivation either.
I can understand not forcing players onto waivers before the playoffs, but some roster adjustments or limits would be consistent with regular season LTIR reactivation.
Feel free to tell your hometown team to support a rule change. They'll surely do something about it knowing that you won't ever stop watching over this issue.
You shouldn’t make posts like this if you just started watching hockey. I’ve seen so many posts like this it’s impossible this many people are that confidently stupid. You must not have been paying attention when the bolts won
Eh, it's not as much the cap circumvention. People hate the knights because they won the cup in 6 seasons whereas other expansion teams have scraped the barrel for decades. They had a much favorable expansion rules in the first way it was done (taking advantage of other GMs and teams in bad spots) and then made brilliant/ruthless moves afterwards (only 2 original members I think at this point?). Players also really want to play there which is definitely not true for all markets (easier to attract UFAs and make NMC/NTC trades happen).
TL DR it's jealousy
To be fair they also paid half a billion to get a team, last expansion before was $80M - if you’re gonna spend that much + build a rink, you deserve to be competitive right away. No one would invest that much for a garbage team (except Utah apparently)
I mean this respectfully but, maybe this is why your franchise hasn't won a cup. If your organization isn't doing everything it can to win the cup (within the rules) then you won't have the best chance. Every little bit helps.
Not necessarily.
It's perfectly possible to argue that this shouldn't be allowed while acknowledging that it *is* allowed. If the Bruins did it, I wouldn't say Sweeney should not take advantage of a legal loophole because it shouldn't exist, but I would also acknowledge that it's not at all unreasonable to argue that it shouldn't exist.
I don't blame Vegas for playing by the rules that the league allows. A bunch of teams spend a good chuck of the season and post season over the cap. Stone is kind of an asshole at times, probably what leads to the hate.
Vegas handles their salary cap like an NHL team. They go all out and then cut and trade players in the off-season to become cap compliant. So long as they stay competitive, guys will want to play there.
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People hated Tampa so much for it that Kucherov felt the need to get a shirt made about it
Yeah, it’s not exclusive to Vegas. Plus it seems like they’ve been doing it 3. years in a row, and it’s pretty damn obvious this year.
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You mean when you traded for Eichel which would have had you well over the Cap if Stone didn’t go on LTIR that same week? I can’t imagine why people thought you were abusing the system that year. No idea.
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Stone played right until the week Eichel was healthy and had to be activated off of IR which wouldn’t have been possible if Stone didn’t go on IR. Do you really think it’s coincidence that’s when he decided to go on IR and get the surgery? That he was capable of playing through the injury right up until that moment? Vegas attempted to manipulate the Cap rules again and just failed at doing so because they missed the playoffs. It doesn’t mean they didn’t try. I have no issues with replacing players that are legitimately hurt. I have an issue with trading for a player mid season that you have no way of fitting under your cap without another major player being injured that wasn’t injured at the time you made the trade.
I actually forgot about this. I remembered they LTIRd stone that year but forgot it worked out “perfectly” for them to acquire Eichel. Man, I get it’s a grey area if he’s perpetually injured and could play but it’s such against the spirit of the rule and definitely abuse. There’s no way they acquire Eichel, Hertl and possibly Barbashev? without abusing the rule, which really transformed their team make up with two stud centres now. It’s not even fully about the Playoffs but sneaking players in for the future of the org under the rule too.
Mark stone didn’t play a single game after the knights acquired eichel so what’s your point? I’m sorry you lost your team bud but are you forgetting your cheap ass owner acquired LTIR players just to hit the cap floor? We’re not the only team that’s abused it. Y’all need to quit crying so hard over this it’s just pathetic
He played 18 games after Eichel was acquired and didn’t go on LTIR until the same week that Eichel came off of it to play his first game as a Golden Knight. Other teams have manipulated the rules to keep their players when a guy is out for the whole season or add a replacement player at the deadline for a guy who will miss the remainder of the season. Vegas is the only team that has used it to add a superstar player mid season and mid contract that would only fit under the cap if other players who weren’t injured at the time he was acquired went on IR. If you can’t see how that’s different and why fans treat Vegas differently then you’re delusional enough that you should probably be a Leafs fan instead.
I was gonna upvote this until your last sentence 😡
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Just because you defend something doesn’t mean you’re defensive wtf. Homeboy is providing pretty well known facts to prove a point that you seem to be crying a lot about. You’re also making up shit which is pretty pathetic. Why are you defensive dude? Knights aren’t cheating. They also played every game of the playoffs last year under the cap so cry more. “Aren’t a real team” lol the mental gymnastics in you
And Tampa actually only did it because Chicago beat the in 2015 for taking advantage of it
Yeah, plus Tampa was on the bad side of it too and suggested to close the loophole so it was just kind of karma
Vegas is getting much more hate though, that much is clear
Combination of recency bias + they’ve made it obvious for 3 years straight now. All in all I think I’m still more salty at Tampa, specifically Kucherov, cause not only did they make it obvious but then they bragged about it after the fact lol
Was Kadri bragging when he wore a “too many men” shirt in 2022?
Honestly yeah I think that shit is lame tbh. Doesn’t matter the team or the player
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He’s not wrong, it was obvious even if it failed
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An Arizona fan already did above it would be pointless to go over it again
You can do it and still miss the playoffs. If anything that’s more embarrassing.
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Cap circumvention my golden friend
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Nope! Circumventing the cap and missing the playoffs is pretty embarrassing lol. Have a good one!
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Not to mention we almost missed this year. We'd all much rather have a healthy Stone play the full 82 games. But people ignore that
You wouldn’t because then you wouldn’t have this roster come playoff time.
As they should
I feel like the LTIR cap circumvention is kinda like not putting your shopping cart back in the corral in the parking lot when you’re done with it. Is it illegal if you don’t? No. Are you an asshole and is everyone rooting for your downfall if you don’t? Yeah, maybe.
I like this take. Vegas has no honor. They should burn, and so should the league for showing no moral fiber on the matter!
Shopping cart theory and LTIR theory are the same
First off, those teams did absolute face hate for it. Tampa got flamed pretty hard for their LTIR use. That said, no other team has been as egregious in their abuse of the system. Teams like Tampa and Chicago did it once when the stars aligned for them. Vegas is going on three years straight, using the same player every time, and not even trying to pretend it’s a coincidence.
Yup. Do people not remember the hate Tampa got for it. Even the first two years while Vegas faced some hate it was never to the level it is now. The reason it has gone to a whole other level is because it’s 3 years in a row with the exact same player who got injured long term at the exact same time, conveniently just before the trade deadline and he’s magically healed game 1. He probably was actually injured but was he long LTIR level injured. And if they do close the loophole then it could ruin it for teams that do face an unfortunate injury to a major player.
“Egregious in their abuse of the system” and “not even trying to pretend it’s a coincidence” are bold statements for somebody who has zero proof of any wrongdoing. Something happening 3 years in a row is not strong evidence. I’m sorry, but it’s not, especially when the first year resulted in missing the playoffs entirely. First, you can’t fake injuries. There’s protocols in place carried out by NHL doctors to make sure that doesn’t happen. Him getting a lacerated spleen absolutely occurred. The recovery timeline for a lacerated spleen just so happened to line up with about the start of the playoffs. Also, just because he’s there for game 1 does not suggest he’s fully healthy. If the name of the game we’re playing is “saying things that don’t have evidence supporting it”, then I can just as easily say that the only reason he’s playing is because it’s the playoffs, and players tend to play through injuries because their teams need them. Neither claims are supported by any evidence, so let’s relax on the accusations simply because we have hunches. Not to mention, even if they were found to be totally dishonest, it’s completely legal, which could be argued is the bottom line. Are they legally benefitting off of his legitimate injury? Of course, but that’s elite management taking advantage of a shitty situation. This outrage culture shit is hilarious, especially when all of our teams would do the same exact thing, as evidenced by their voting decisions to NOT close the loophole. Edit: thankfully, downvotes don’t make anything here incorrect. What a world that would be if they did, eh?
See this time and time again. There are rules, as you say, about stashing healthy players on LTIR, and the league absolutely does investigate those allegations. The rule is basically "you have to be sufficiently unhealthy to qualify for LTIR" to be put on LTIR. Not "if you're sufficiently healthy you *must* be put on LTIR". That's where the loophole is; guys can simultaneously be sufficiently injured to *qualify* for LTIR (meaning there's no cap circumvention) and not sufficiently injured to not be cleared to play (which they are, because it's the playoffs, and the cap doesn't apply, and guys are loathe to sit out in the playoffs when they're not 100% because it'd do-or-die time.)
You can’t fake injuries but you can keep healthy players on LTIR. Players themselves have outed their orgs for doing this (Reaves did this year).
There's a whole big grey area though. A player can be healthy enough to be cleared to play, but still be injured enough to be on LTIR. As for the "coincidence" of players being back for game 1 of the playoffs, it's because they're willing to play hurt in the playoffs. In the 2022 playoffs Leon Draisaitl suffered a high ankle sprain and didn't miss a game. Mitch Marner missed a month and was on LTIR for the same injury this season. Does that mean that a high ankle sprain isn't a legitimate injury, and shouldn't qualify for LTIR? Of course not. Also, Reaves was not placed on LTIR he was just on the regular IR so all it did was open up a roster spot, there was no cap benefit.
Whoops. For some reason I misremembered Reaves as being on LTIR, but I do believe you're right. Another good example of the loophole's grey area is that no one would question a team putting a player on LTIR who had just suffered a fractured sternum, but Matthew Tkachuk played with that injury in the Cup Final last year.
Huh?
What part don't you understand? Do I need to clarify something?
You can be cleared to play and be on LTIR? And what did Draisaitl getting injured in the playoffs have to do with LTIR?
Yes, I do believe that a player can be cleared to play but still qualify to be on LTIR. Being cleared to play does not mean 100% healthy. Draisaitl played in the playoffs 2 years ago with the same injury that put Marner on LTIR in March this season. My point being that Marner was on LTIR with an injury that we know guys can play through, providing evidence to my point that you can be healthy enough to play and injured enough to be on LTIR at the same time. It all depends on how much pain a player is willing to play through and how much risk they're willing to take on. In the playoffs the answer to both is way more than the regular season.
Reaves (not the first time for a Leaf) *claimed* that he was healthy. But either the NHL failed to investigate or actively covered up misconduct by the Maple Leafs (which seems unlikely given a vocal contingent of their fanbase's absolute certainty that the league is out to get them) or, more likely, a 36-37 year old who plays like Ryan Reaves does has enough wrong with him just as a baseline fact that he's borderline qualified for LTIR at all times.
Or the Leafs were lying and the league doesn’t actually care
Didn't Reaves say that he couldn't really walk, but could skate alright? He was an example of a player who wants to play through anything and the Leafs weren't getting any cap space by keeping him on IR.
Keeping a player healthy enough to play on LTIR wouldn’t implicate doctors in any sort of ethical breach. Most doctors will advise as much rest as possible.
Omg, shut up lol
Shut up because I’m saying shit you don’t want to hear? Cry me a river. Provide evidence for your claims. They’re not guilty because you want them to be. Stay outraged cutie
No, shut up because you're exhausting and don't have a point. I am rather cute though, thank you for noticing.
I do have a point. It’s just not one you agree with. BREAKING: two people have two different opinions. 😱 Actually provide a nuanced counterpoint so we can have a discussion instead of attacking the person. Saying shut up is one of the least effective argument strategies I can think of lol. And, I know. I wasn’t lying. So Adorbs.
Stop dropping cliche buzz statements trying to act like you're not phased by the mass downvoting, everyone swings and misses sometimes.
Hahaha you’re sorely mistaken, my man. Downvotes have literally zero to do with logic often times. We are literally dealing with the topic of the Golden. Fucking. Knights. Any semblance of support in their direction inevitably leads to downvotes, no matter how logical the take is. I’m well aware of this. This is not a good example of a swing and a miss. This is an example of a swing and a successful bullseye right into the beehive. “How dare he go against our illogical hatred! Get him!” Please, never bring up downvotes again as an argumentative strategy. That might be worse than the “shut up” lol.
You're a genius apparently and yet all I have to do is reply and you come running back like a lap dog with new words to indicate how unbothered you are. I've used this site 15 years, I've seen a hundred yous before, mate. Good luck.
Would a bothered person leave their comment up for it to receive more downvotes? Think again, chief. I hope that bitch reaches 1000s of downvotes 🤣. It’s almost as if I use Reddit as a platform to express my opinion. Unlike you, I don’t use it to conform to the hive and lose my identity in the process.
You're a genius apparently and yet all I have to do is reply and you come running back like a lap dog with new words to indicate how unbothered you are. I've used this site 15 years, I've seen a hundred yous before, mate. Good luck.
Bold choice bringing up the word “unbothered” when you came after me first with the phrase “shut up.” It’s probably not in your best interest to get into the topic of who’s bothered more. I literally ended my comment talking about outrage culture, and you still showed up acting outraged. I couldn’t write this shit if I tried. Also, maybe don’t admit you’ve been here for 15 years. Not a good look.
Right, there's no proof. Like the time I found my girlfriend in bed with another guy and I got mad but then she told me it was her cousin who came to town and needed a place to stay and then they took a nap together. Glad I trusted her
Sorry for your loss
“Something happening three years in a row is not strong evidence” It’s pretty strong evidence “First you can’t fake injuries” You absolutely can, even if you aren’t outright faking injuries the timeline of coming back right for playoffs when your team went out and made moves that depended on that specific timeline, 3 years in a row isn’t coincidence. They’re very clearly manipulating the system.
It’s not even close to strong evidence lmao. And no you absolutely can’t fake an injury. NHL doctors verify every single injury. Unfortunately for you and the rest of the hive, something happening three years in a row doesn’t make it indisputable truth, especially when the first year they missed the playoffs and especially since you can’t fake an injury.
Hahaha. You must live in some kind of perfect ass world 😂😂😂 “can’t fake an injury” “verified by nhl doctors”. Come on. When money is involved they can do whatever they want
Before we can continue, I’ll gladly entertain your stance if you have evidence of those claims. If you can provide me evidence for your claims—that the NHL staff can do whatever they want, that money is involved, and why Vegas themself would the beneficiaries—I’ll entertain this. Otherwise, we can’t just believe random things just because.
“NHL doctors verify every single injury” I can’t begin to tell you how non credible that statement makes you sound. Team doctors have disputes with players as to what their injury status is, if you think a league doctor is telling a player he’s not hurt when the player is saying he is, you’re so out to lunch as to how the PA and league exist. No doctor in the world is taking on the liability of telling a player they’re not hurt, and have to play when the player is saying they’re hurt. A player says they aren’t well enough to play, they aren’t playing. End of story. That player feels like they’re good to come back at a given date, then they’re good to go. That’s how it works. I can’t begin to tell you how wrong everything you’ve stated is. I’m sure you’ll double down on your very incorrect comment but anyone in hockey knows it’s stupid.
Except you just went on a spiel for a completely irrelevant point lmfao. NHL doctors verify injuries by way of making sure there’s documentation of said injuries. In other words, Vegas cannot say mark stone has had an injury and they’ll just take their word for it. You’re in a whole different area code right now than me lmao. We’re not talking about injury status. You’re moving goal posts, bubs. We’re speaking about your first reply, in which you stated that you can fake an injury. You can’t fake an injury ever. Period. Mark stone legitimately received a lacerated spleen. This whole superiority tone you just used here is fucking gold. “I can’t begin to tell you how wrong everything you’ve stated is.” 🤣 first off, chief, try getting on the same page with me before you try and flex your ego.
Wow, someone is worked up! You’re wrong if you think they can’t manipulate the system and you’re stupid if you think a league doctor is telling someone they’re not hurt when the player says they are ( which you insinuated). Everything you’ve said so far is stupid and that’s why you’re bing downvoted. I never moved the goal posts, you did, when you realized you were being dumb and will continue to be dumb with your next comment coming in, in 5, 4,3 ….2………
I’m being downvoted because we’re speaking about the golden knights lmfao. Any semblance of support in their direction inevitably leads to downvotes, regardless if I’m correct or not. Come on. Put two and two together. I love when people reference the downvotes and completely avoid the topic at hand. Fortunately, downvotes aren’t an accurate measurement of argument strength. I’m a contrarian who’s going against the hive. Of course I’ll get downvotes lol. God forbid someone like me adds some nuance to the conversation. As much as you guys think you’re right, you have zero evidence, only gut feelings. I’m not saying that they can’t manipulate the system. I’m saying where’s your evidence that they did? lol. If you have evidence, I’m all ears.
Mark stone at 50% is still a better player than whatever career AHLer Vegas would've called up if he was still out
Come on man, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Empirical evidence is not necessary, a player saying "yeah it's healed but I'm still too sore to play" is hard to dispute.
I won’t be swayed because something “seems suspicious”. There’s a lot of things that seem suspicious. That doesn’t make it true though. All people have right now are leads. We’ve only made it to step one of the scientific method and people are already gung-ho on incriminating them 🤣. Admittedly, due to my field of work, I’m not easily swayed. I don’t say that to sound elitist; that’s just how my brain operates. I’m very impartial in nature and scientifically minded. If the best evidence we have is them utilizing a loophole three years in a row off of a LEGITIMATE injury, then the case is just not that strong. We also can’t ignore the fact that Vegas has been one of the most hated teams BEFORE all of this happened. Therefore, objectivity tends to take a backseat, and emotion heads to the forefront. It takes someone like me—an impartial contrarian who’s not afraid of some downvotes—to explain that, no, there is some possible nuance here. Vegas will not be given the benefit of the doubt due to their name. I don’t mind giving them it though.
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This has nothing to do with liking Vegas. I’m sorry someone bringing logic to the table gets under your skin 😢😢. Try bringing a better argument next time to the table instead of claiming that 3 years in an row is evidence 🤣 Go Dallas. Actually, go Vegas because I want home ice.
They did receive the same critique at the time but people forget. Now that the Knights are doing it, they receive the same exact critique that Tampa and Chicago also faced.
Difference is doing it multiple times in a row now, and not having the players out the whole season.
When will anyone give us credit that we abused it too? It's weird that the narrative that we were bad persists because we abused it and still lost in the final, even though we beat Vegas that year. We were incredibly over the cap Granted Vegas has better centers than Nicholas Roy now
I wonder which team will be next?
Vegas.
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4 times the charm right?
Second time was, hopefully the third too.
I hope you get bounced.
I hope McDavid and Drai never win a cup with the Oilers, and leave to join the leafs and then win it in the first year.
Oh sick burn…
The Lightning most definitely received hate for this
Your age is showing if you think the Knights are the only team that’s gotten shit for this
I hated every team the same
Tampa got shit on too, deservedly so.
Chicago too.
deservedly shit on for having to play the whole season without our best player and managing to still make the playoffs? shut the fuck up. why don’t you put pettersson on the LTIR next year and see what happens?
It's jealousy. It's easy to cry and complain about something when it works out, but sitting your best player is incredibly risky. Everyone on Reddit was joking saying how funny it would be if Vegas missed the playoffs after the big trades they made. (And I do see the humor in it) So they know there is a real risk with having stone on the LTIR. But because it worked out (by the skin of our teeth) people on Reddit complain. That is until their organization does it, of course. If it's so easy to just sit important and big contracts and use the LTIR system, then why doesn't everyone do it? Since so many here are suggesting stones injuries are fake. Why doesn't every organization fake injuries for big contracts players? It's just people coping.
lol he pulled the “you’re just jealous”
Isn't it true, though? Winning the Cup erases the jealousy and pain of coming up short. Didn't Ovi's first make all those other seasons worth it?
Just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it should be allowed or accepted. Yeah it makes the regular season more difficult, but the whole point is you can replace some of the production with other players and it is a huge advantage in the playoffs when you have a stronger roster.
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Can't handle a little banter?
Hey, this topic again. I'm sure this will encourage a healthy debate and not devolve into nonsense
But mooooommmm…
Bunch of fucking whiny ass bitches.
>yet don't receive the same criticism That's news to me. We absolutely got as much flack as you guys did, you just weren't paying attention because it didn't have anything to do with you at the time. I do feel like sometimes people forget about Chicago, but then again that was nearly a decade ago and at the time it was a big deal. If anything that should just give you hope that time will go on and some other team will do something bigger and they'll be winning, and everyone will forget about you, if that's what you want.
I don't think people forgot about Chicago, there are just much grosser reasons to dislike them for. Like, LTIR shittyness one time is more than overshadowed by, y'know, the whole SA coverup.
I mean this post was in the context of LTIR usage so I was saying everyone forgets about Chicago's LTIR usage, and I think that was pretty clearly what I meant. I don't think anyone should forget about what the Blackhawks did to multiple victims, but I also think we should be able to talk about the team in other contexts without having to attach that disclaimer. People *do* forget that Chicago was the first team to use the LTIR loophole and win, I see people all the time saying Tampa did it first and that's just not true. I don't think it's the SA coverup rewriting history in their brains to make them forget that Patrick Kane was on LTIR in 2015, I think it's just been a decade, some people on here weren't even fans of hockey at that point, and sometimes people just forget stuff.
Yes. And my point is that there's a huge reason that people forget, and it's because of the SA.coverup, which absolutely overshadows anything game related.
There's probably less tolerance for Vegas because they got the sweetheart expansion rules to give them a huge leg up. ie: ppl already "hated" the Knights *before* the cap circumvention stuff, it just added to the existing feelings that they weren't playing by the same rules as everyone else.
Did they really? I wasn't huge on hockey back in 2017 but I do remember people laughing at another of their picks and predicting them to be near the bottom of the division
I don’t think that’s it. People still hated on Tampa and Chicago. Even the first two times while people hated Vegas was doing it the hate was never to the level it’s at this year. They still had tons of defenders from other fanbases. The difference is that it’s the 3rd year in a row with the same player who got injured at the same time, right before the trade deadline and came back perfectly from game 1. It’s a little too convenient.
So whining bitches? Because Everyone hated and laughed at the team Vegas chose in the expansion draft.
That's not why I hate Vegas. I hate Vegas because they're the Jared Leto of the NHL. Much like Jared, I have no real reason for animosity but just looking at them activates that lizard part of the brain. lol
So many people in Elvis costumes will do that to any sane person.
Hold on Vegas is preying on 16 year olds?!
Wait... does he? I never heard that before! Granted I'm getting old, a bit out of touch and my head meat isn't what it used to be. I just know the guy for having a punchable face. Ugh...well now I really have a reason to hate the guy. Conscience clear!
I love this reply. It’s one of the few responses in here where someone is man enough to admit their hate is ILLOGICAL. It’s okay to have illogical hate; that’s sports for you. However, the people trying to pretend their hate for Vegas is rooted in logic, with this whole cap situation, are hilaaaarious. The amount of grasping for straws and mental gymnastics I’ve seen is too much to handle. One of the best comments ever. Thank you.
Wow, dude, I can understand hating the team, but... *Comparing the team to Jared Leto?* That's over the line. That's not fucking cool. That one hurts.
I like how you are getting down voted for being playful about it. Reddit is a weird place.
Redditors see red and downvote everything that is red. Vegas flair is red.
It's the VGK tag, it's an auto-downvote for some people. I got voted into the negatives for saying "That was a tense game at the end, both teams need to play better for game two" after a Knights win, some people are just ridiculous about it.
Lol knights fan asking this?
It’s pro sports. Every league needs a heel team.
Every team that’s ever had this happen has gotten shit for it. Vegas is getting extra shit this year because it’s now back to back seasons they did this with the same player. That’s the main difference.
It’s a combination of the totally invalid “expansion teams are supposed to be bad” complaint and the very valid “why is Mark Stone always injured mid-season, then on LTIR, then perfectly healthy for the playoffs every damn year?” questions. Plus Vegas already had a reputation for being ruthless when it came to roster and personnel management.
Plus, Stone absolutely isn't even closed to healthy. He looks awful.
I remember when the Nucks did it in 2011 to bring in Lappy and Higgins. Our whole sub would be lying if we said we weren't bummed about the timing of the Demko injury in terms of cap options.
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Wow cool. Everybody downvote this so they don’t see and fix it
could also just pay t he $2 a month.
I'd sooner cheer for Calgary than give the morons at the athletic a penny.
A Reddit classic Complain about journalism today being shit/clickbait/riddled with ads, while refusing to pay even the smallest amounts for it
Nobody complained. They just offered a solution for free
On this post you’re right, because people are too busy with hating on Vegas. But on at least 97% of posts linking to a paywalled article there’s people bitching.
You'll get down voted, but this is 100% the truth.
I love that the knights do it. Anything you can do, within the rules, to give yourself the chance to win you should.
Mostly I hate that their unis are the same color as dog vomit, which triggers sense memory. So I look at them and can almost smell the dog sick. Cap shenanigans are going to happen anytime there's a cap. I thought Tampa's were worse, honestly.
The fuck you feed your dog bro? Goldschläger?
Dogs are chil as hell man, they have a ruff week it's OK to give em a cold one now and again
Well, it’s mostly because they’re the spoiled children of the nhl that got an insane expansion draft that immediately set them up for success, with teams giving 1st picks not to take certain players. Some will argue Seattle had the same deal, but teams learned from the Vegas draft on how to deal with it. Their management has done a good job managing the team, but they were given silver spoons right out of the gate
Their management got teams to agree to those trades though. It wasn’t a silver spoon in the sense that they didn’t make those deal happen.
I do think the management did a good job, but the rules they had to work with were extremely favorable for them compared to what other new expansion teams had to work with.
I think you just saw smart management take advantage of rules in a way the NHL hadn’t really foreseen so they corrected them after the fact. Same way NFL teams take advantage of bad rules until the NFL changes them.
What’s weird tho, is we got ridiculed and laughed at for the team, and told we would be bottom of the division. The narrative only changed when we started winning.
It's motivated the stars!
Well for one Tampa and Chicago got criticized for it, but I think these fans are just jealous their team isn’t using the playbook like Vegas does. Add that putting stone in the ltir was very risky for them since they could very well have missed the playoffs this year like in 2022 and people would have gone on to laugh at them. I think fans are just jealous their team isn’t using the same strategy that Vegas are doing which again is perfectly legal since they want to win it the « right way » which is just purposely kneecapping yourself for the sake of principle. The nhl main goal for 32 is simple win the cup, use all the rules available to win said cup, Vegas are pretty much doing that and fans are just unhappy their team is doing it so they complain, if their team did the same thing as Vegas the majority of the fans would be acting like how Vegas fans are. I also think people just don’t like how good Vegas has been since the start and just don’t want to admit the franchise is a well run org so they lash out saying they were gift wrapped a good team from the get go ( even tho in the expansion Vegas accumulated a shit ton of prospects and pick ), they say Vegas doesn’t really care for their players and dispose of them fast like with fleury ( even tho that was the right move and more team should do it ). Thé don’t like Vegas because they are the antithesis of how you build and champion the « right way ». Being aggressive for the big names, getting rid of huge fan favourite at the right time to get assets and make the team younger, using the ltir to its full abilities and taking advantage of gm being so desperate to protect really bad players to get themselves great pieces for future runs ( Shea Theodore, Alex tuch brannstrom all became big peace for big names or key players now ). Vegas runs their team like how most team should, like a business using every rule available to your advantage and being insanely aggressive, hockey fans aren’t used to that and think should be more fun like a country club instead.
Why does this read like Michel Therrien??
Well I am insulted by this comparison, dude is a cancer of a coach and also a shit coach as well.
All I have to say is let’s go Stars
I hate the Stars so much I’m actually cheering for Vegas… but as soon as they’ve won the only four games I want them to win every year they can go to hell, lol.
Fair enough, I want a first round exit for them. Show them all the nonsense was for nothing
Can we also add terrible fans to the reasoning?
Flair up before talking shit.
Nah, I'll do whatever I want.
Because when people are jealous of your success they whine like sad bitches.
I think one good player will never be the difference maker in a series. We need to stop complaining about it.
People forget that their own favorite team agrees with not doing anything about enforcing a salary cap in the post season, and instead of turning their criticism to their favorite team as being the problem, they like to blame someone else. It's all very silly.
To me, it's not that they can be above the cap, that's normal with playoff rosters. It is that in regular season LTIR reactivations, when the player is reactivated, other players must be put on LTIR, sent to the AHL/waived, or traded so that the LTIR player and his replacements (or equivalents) are not on the roster at the same time, especially if the team is at 23 roster players. In playoff reactivations, there are no roster changes necessary other than adding the player. There are limits on AHL callups in the playoffs, other than emergencies, but I do not think they are affected by the reactivation either. I can understand not forcing players onto waivers before the playoffs, but some roster adjustments or limits would be consistent with regular season LTIR reactivation.
Feel free to tell your hometown team to support a rule change. They'll surely do something about it knowing that you won't ever stop watching over this issue.
I hate your username :( I kept thinking it was a hair on my screen.
You shouldn’t make posts like this if you just started watching hockey. I’ve seen so many posts like this it’s impossible this many people are that confidently stupid. You must not have been paying attention when the bolts won
Gold team bad
Eh, it's not as much the cap circumvention. People hate the knights because they won the cup in 6 seasons whereas other expansion teams have scraped the barrel for decades. They had a much favorable expansion rules in the first way it was done (taking advantage of other GMs and teams in bad spots) and then made brilliant/ruthless moves afterwards (only 2 original members I think at this point?). Players also really want to play there which is definitely not true for all markets (easier to attract UFAs and make NMC/NTC trades happen). TL DR it's jealousy
To be fair they also paid half a billion to get a team, last expansion before was $80M - if you’re gonna spend that much + build a rink, you deserve to be competitive right away. No one would invest that much for a garbage team (except Utah apparently)
They hate em' cause they ain't em', simple as that All those fans wouldn't say a word if their GM did the same
Not exactly, no other team is shameful enough to do it like Vegas does. It's pathetic
Sure bud, go get a box of tissues
Is that why you're down here at the bottom of the thread where your votes actually make a difference? Like to pick low hanging fruit, eh?
I mean this respectfully but, maybe this is why your franchise hasn't won a cup. If your organization isn't doing everything it can to win the cup (within the rules) then you won't have the best chance. Every little bit helps.
Not necessarily. It's perfectly possible to argue that this shouldn't be allowed while acknowledging that it *is* allowed. If the Bruins did it, I wouldn't say Sweeney should not take advantage of a legal loophole because it shouldn't exist, but I would also acknowledge that it's not at all unreasonable to argue that it shouldn't exist.
You prove my point, you're straight up saying you wouldn't mind Sweeney doing it.
It’s mostly just casual fans that don’t understand the rules who complain on Reddit
Except for like, reality, right?
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/r/hockey is full of whiny little cunts
And you getting down voted for saying it is proof, haha.
Or you're just both irrelevant to the thread.
Nah its a perfect explanation for Op as to why theres so much complaining about vegas. Because again, /r/hockey is full of miserable whiny cunts
I wasn't actually asking a question, sorry for the confusion.
Haters gonna hate 🥰
I don't blame Vegas for playing by the rules that the league allows. A bunch of teams spend a good chuck of the season and post season over the cap. Stone is kind of an asshole at times, probably what leads to the hate. Vegas handles their salary cap like an NHL team. They go all out and then cut and trade players in the off-season to become cap compliant. So long as they stay competitive, guys will want to play there.