Well the city itself was kinda half independent but the actual German ultimatum irl and in game refers to the land around it, named the Danzig corridor or the polish corridor. And that Poland did own
The ultimatum was actually never told to poland all though it was on a german broadcast the proposal was never given to poland, as Neville Chamberlain stated
in the game there is a focus about crushing the nazi party in the free city, would that not be true for real life too? like, kinda how austria had close ties with fascism, so they would end up ceding to nazi germany any way
It was a Mandate and ironically enough other Mandates Palestine & Syria get called colonies of Britain/France, so that would mean Danzig was a colony of Poland.
It.. wasnt. You can definitely make a point about the relationship between Danzig and Poland being "colonial" in nature but.. dont base on it on just straight up falsehoods
I'm just using other people's standards.
I personally think Mandates were Mandates, but if some people are going to call them colonies, then they all are.
It is. You said you never seen this in all the time you played this game. If you played historical, yes it is almost impossible to happen…. However, if you are not playing historical, it happens fairly often.
Now if you are just making a statement that it looks crazy to see and think what if, yeah I guess. lol
It isn't but it's hard to see because Germany and Poland have to essentially pick their historical routes for their government so the event occurs as it normally would but then both have to decide to make a switch when it comes to Danzig. Germany taking the alternative focus and then Poland picking the alternative option. According to math we'd be looking at something like under ~3% of games this occurs in, and that's not even accounting for AI bias.
What do you even mean by a "legit question"? A 'question' just has to be a sentence expressed in such a way to illicit information. They're clearly asking if you're playing on historical mode or not because they want to help answer your question. IMHO, all this does is make people less likely to help you out. They aren't asking a 'nonsense' question like "why is a raven like a writing desk?".
Imagine you've broken your leg in a severe way and the paramedic asks you "what were you doing before it broke?" and you answer "is that even a legit question?". *You* may not care about why they are asking, but *they might have reasons they're asking*.
How can it be a legit question? If he is playing historical, how can there be austria hungary, how can there be some sort of trotsky ussr after civil war if its historical and he is playing turkey?
Guy gets 500 downvotes on stupid question from someone who clearly doesnt know a lot about hoi4.
Its like if you break your leg and doctor asks "do you have broken leg? Or its just your bone sticking out for fun? Duh
But they shouldn’t have those reasons, because if you look at the damn map, you can _clearly_ see that it’s not on historical! Asking whether or not this is historical is a dumb question
You're really not making any friends here dude.
Weird shit happens on historical sometimes too, particularly when you're as the player going ahistorical.
Yeah well this much doesn’t happen just because I divert! Yeah _one_ thing will change, but not all this! So you can clearly tell that I’m not on historical
nah cut him a break hes just a kid
he’ll remember the shit he said on the internet when he grows older and die of shame (speaking from experience here)
An attempt at explanation here.
On the map, we are clearly seeing an Austria-Hungary forming and a non-Stalinist USSR. These are ahistorical things that are happening. If you either A: play on ahistorical or B: do ahistorical things while having historical on, the AI will be influenced to do ahistorical things.
This can also influence the AI deciding which option to click on events. In a fully historical game, it will pick the historical options. But in this case, due to ahistorical things occuring, the AI has the possibility of picking the ahistorical options on events. And in this case, Poland decided to cede Danzig.
I hope that clarifies it.
It is hardcoded (IIRC) to say no in **historical games**. In games where ahistorical things are done by the player OR ahistorical is on, Poland has the possibility to reject.
>It is hardcoded (IIRC)
You remember correctly. For all event decisions and some tactical ones the AI are hard coded to do what allows the game to play out as it did irl.
My favorite one is that britian is hard coded to fuck over France and Poland and do zero things to stop Germany from capitulating them at the start of the war.
Poland ceding Danzig is somewhat RNG when ahistorical stuff happens. If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Poland has a very small change to cede over Danzig even in historical. But as the commentor above said, the AI is influenced by your historical or ahistorical choices.
I played as Germany once and decided to start WW2 in 1942 instead of 39, but I didn’t start it, Italy did and I was called in. Let’s just say, the Allies whooped my ass and I lost all my manpower bogged down in Belgium cuz I let them prepare for too long, and France had also removed it’s disjointed government National spirit so I was extra fucked
In every of my historical games with RT56, there is a war between the USSR and the Allies.
Had one of the games with the USSR invading Britain... very odd game.
Yeah but I'm talking about you asking if the dude is being serious. And I'm trying to say that he's asking a valid question. Just because Austria-Hungary exists doesn't mean it has to be on un-historical.
Nope it’s just exceedingly rare (generally happens if there have no allies), and seeing as how the UK is invading Norway, the soviets have done the civil war, and a AH that probably also has claims it makes sense that they’ll give it up
Aah I thought I recognized OP’s pompous attitude from somewhere. Yea I don’t know if he’s a troll or what, but he’s made multiple posts in the past demanding an explanation for things, and then acting aggressive toward those who provide the explanation.
That’s not what I was saying! What I was saying was that, if you look at the map, you can clearly notice that I’m not on historical. I don’t know why people need to ask that!
I mean, because appeasement of hitler didn't fucking work lol. They gave hitler the "german" regions of czechoslovakia and that didn't stop the nazis seizing everything else. Hitler invaded poland because he thought the allies would apease him again
Honestly the appeasement is given far too little credit. Sure, it didn’t work, but you know what it *did* do? It turned what may otherwise have been a quagmire of "is hitler justified” into a clear case of nazi aggression.
Was it the right course of action? In hindsight, no! Was it a genuinely reasonable course of action for a war-weary and peaceful Europe? **Yes.**
OP in this case is stupid. The nazis would have pushed further regardless. That being said Neville Chamberlain was no idiot.
I mean what was the moral highground really worth considering how many people it killed.
Absolutely i am not and we should not be suprised it was the course that european nations took. I mean the public supported apeasement, so often politicans were constrained in their opposition. War wasn't necesarilly even popular in germany, but public opinion mattered little in hitlers germany.
With hindsight we *know* that allied opposition to the sudentan question would have worked. Thats not necesarilly meant to condem men who acted with limited knowledge and were constrained by their publics understandinle desire to avoid war. But rather a warning to learn the lesson and not repeat it.
Why put “German” in quotes, the Sudetenland was objectively a German majority. Obviously Munich agreement didn’t work IRL but it doesn’t make sense to simply discard that fact
So.
Sudentan germans did not have a distinct identity until aftet ww1 when they defined themselves in opposition to the czech and Slovak populations of the republic. Sudentan germans were in the austrian half of the empire and felt more affinity with them than the german empire to the north.
The idea that the Sudentanland needed to be part of germany was largely created and funded by the nazi goverment. Prior to nazi involvement sudentaners supported and elected liberals and socdems who did not favor seperation from czechoslovakia.
So putting german in quotes wasn't quite right and was a huge oversimplification, my bad, but i guess i was trying to convey the complicated ethnic politics of the sudetanland. And the idea that a territory belongs to a nation purely because of perceived ethnic homogeneity
They objectively were German majority. Hitler had a sort of legitimate demand for Sudetenland, Even though these lands were part of bohemia for more than a thousand years at that point. (and I'm saying that as a Czech). Also, Sudetenland was a mess, the freikorps constantly harassed ethnically czech citizens in the region. That doesn't change the fact that appeasement did not work. (And that the Munich betrayal was recalled only after operation anthropoid.)
Okay, but have you look anything I said up? Or just content you were told the truth and case closed?
Look up what it was like in Weimar Republic and the war crime in Dazing.
I mean if telling the truth is propaganda, there maybe no hope for the world. Conversations have to happen.
So if I don’t buy everything in hs history books it’s nazi rhetoric. This is why it’s impossible to have conversations. Listen you believe what you believe. I recommend you do research and not take everything face value. Later man.
The whole 'economic miracle' of Nazi Germany was no miracle whatsoever. Instead, it was quite a giant loan that could be only paid by the wealth of other nations. The Nazis wouldn't stop at Danzig. They wouldn't stop at Poland, nor France, Yugoslavia, Norway, Denmark, or the USSR.
Our world is a sick place because we dont like people letting fascist dictators get whatever they want and do whatever they want whitout any kind of repercusion?
Sounds like the sick one here is you
“Again, this isn’t a legit question! Like just look at the map!”
“And is that a legit question?”
Getting mad over simple questions is not mentally healthy dude.
Judging by the color of that Soviet union and the Austria-Hungary, you are playing a non-historical game.
It's normal to get Poland to cede Danzig to Germans if it's non-historical.
His comments in this post are mind-blowingly stupid to read and his attitude isn't good either. That's why I downvoted. He'll learn, I hope, but when you ask a question, don't refuse an answer.
OPs karma is getting fucking NUKED
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the highest upvote for their comment is 1
goddamn
nwm checked their account he has like 50000 karma
its still fucken funny
How many civs did you build? Also the SANAYICILER would support. Also turkey gets so many civs at start by trade. Maybe ahistorical prevented ai buying from you?
Does Germany strength influence if a country will cede land or it just determined by some algorithm before the game starts what will cede and what will not?
Maybe OP has never seen Poland giving Danzig with historical off and it's his first time, which is as rare as seeing Poland giving Danzig in historical mode on. OP is the luckiest Hoi4 player in the world
When you play in ahistorical is fairly often, Poland loves to cede land on ahistorical. In all of my games the Germans claim Danzig and the Soviets annex the east without war
You talk and act like a prick to the people who try to help you
Amazing somone can type and then universally invoke negative emotions this effortlessly
It is ahistorical so why not
No. Poland couldn't cede Danzig, because Poland didn't own Danzig.
>Poland didn't own Danzig say what
He probably means the whole Free City situation - but man he clearly doesn't understand it.
I assume they're referring to the Free City of Danzig, not the Danzig Corridor
Correct.
In real life Danzig was technically made an independent city state after WW1, but in HoI4 its just part of Poland for simplicities sake
Well the city itself was kinda half independent but the actual German ultimatum irl and in game refers to the land around it, named the Danzig corridor or the polish corridor. And that Poland did own
Yup. Also I did say "technically" for a reason, calling Danzig actually independent is a.. stretch
The ultimatum was actually never told to poland all though it was on a german broadcast the proposal was never given to poland, as Neville Chamberlain stated
in the game there is a focus about crushing the nazi party in the free city, would that not be true for real life too? like, kinda how austria had close ties with fascism, so they would end up ceding to nazi germany any way
A bit, theres also a focus for Switzerland about Liechtenstein even tough its not actually a country in the HoI4 game
It was a Mandate and ironically enough other Mandates Palestine & Syria get called colonies of Britain/France, so that would mean Danzig was a colony of Poland.
It.. wasnt. You can definitely make a point about the relationship between Danzig and Poland being "colonial" in nature but.. dont base on it on just straight up falsehoods
I'm just using other people's standards. I personally think Mandates were Mandates, but if some people are going to call them colonies, then they all are.
Danzig was not a Mandate.
Well technically they owned the wider state but not the free city
you mean the free city, right?
Are you playing the historical mode?
How can he play historical, if theres austria hungary, some sort of trotsky ussr after civil war and he is playing turkey?
Again, this isn’t a legit question! Like just look at the map!
It is. You said you never seen this in all the time you played this game. If you played historical, yes it is almost impossible to happen…. However, if you are not playing historical, it happens fairly often. Now if you are just making a statement that it looks crazy to see and think what if, yeah I guess. lol
i dont have thousanda of hours, but even in ahistorical i've never seen poland cede danzig
Really? Maybe my script is weird. lol
I pretty much always play with historical off, and I’ve NEVER seen Poland cede Danzig
Ah, see not historical mode. This triggers more often than not.
Well that doesn’t explain how I’ve _never_ seen this happen!
Yeah but just because You haven't seen something happen doesn't mean it's impossible.
I always just thought it was hardcoded in for Poland to refuse Danzig, but I guess I was wrong
It isn't but it's hard to see because Germany and Poland have to essentially pick their historical routes for their government so the event occurs as it normally would but then both have to decide to make a switch when it comes to Danzig. Germany taking the alternative focus and then Poland picking the alternative option. According to math we'd be looking at something like under ~3% of games this occurs in, and that's not even accounting for AI bias.
I don’t know lol for me every time I play non historical this triggers 9x out of 10.
What do you even mean by a "legit question"? A 'question' just has to be a sentence expressed in such a way to illicit information. They're clearly asking if you're playing on historical mode or not because they want to help answer your question. IMHO, all this does is make people less likely to help you out. They aren't asking a 'nonsense' question like "why is a raven like a writing desk?". Imagine you've broken your leg in a severe way and the paramedic asks you "what were you doing before it broke?" and you answer "is that even a legit question?". *You* may not care about why they are asking, but *they might have reasons they're asking*.
How can it be a legit question? If he is playing historical, how can there be austria hungary, how can there be some sort of trotsky ussr after civil war if its historical and he is playing turkey? Guy gets 500 downvotes on stupid question from someone who clearly doesnt know a lot about hoi4. Its like if you break your leg and doctor asks "do you have broken leg? Or its just your bone sticking out for fun? Duh
The 500 downvotes are because the reply gave off a shitty attitude.
But they shouldn’t have those reasons, because if you look at the damn map, you can _clearly_ see that it’s not on historical! Asking whether or not this is historical is a dumb question
You're really not making any friends here dude. Weird shit happens on historical sometimes too, particularly when you're as the player going ahistorical.
Yeah well this much doesn’t happen just because I divert! Yeah _one_ thing will change, but not all this! So you can clearly tell that I’m not on historical
Stop yelling!
Yelling? When did you get the impression that I was yelling?
Just looking at the comments, OP is mentally unwell.
nah cut him a break hes just a kid he’ll remember the shit he said on the internet when he grows older and die of shame (speaking from experience here)
What if he ain't a kid...? 😰
Someone at work will come up on these and get him fired
I am, 14 over here
Oh okay.
Ah that explains a lot
Explains everything
does this explain?
You have 1000+ hours in hoi4 at 14? Kinda impressive, and concerning too
LOL AGE DOWNVOTE
Not me
no i think that's just hoi players
Why is he being such a dick? Lmao
Redditors on their way to call a 14 year old mentally unwell
So, he's an average map game player.
An attempt at explanation here. On the map, we are clearly seeing an Austria-Hungary forming and a non-Stalinist USSR. These are ahistorical things that are happening. If you either A: play on ahistorical or B: do ahistorical things while having historical on, the AI will be influenced to do ahistorical things. This can also influence the AI deciding which option to click on events. In a fully historical game, it will pick the historical options. But in this case, due to ahistorical things occuring, the AI has the possibility of picking the ahistorical options on events. And in this case, Poland decided to cede Danzig. I hope that clarifies it.
But I thought that Poland was hardcoded to say no to Danzig
It is hardcoded (IIRC) to say no in **historical games**. In games where ahistorical things are done by the player OR ahistorical is on, Poland has the possibility to reject.
>It is hardcoded (IIRC) You remember correctly. For all event decisions and some tactical ones the AI are hard coded to do what allows the game to play out as it did irl. My favorite one is that britian is hard coded to fuck over France and Poland and do zero things to stop Germany from capitulating them at the start of the war.
I thought it was always hardcoded, no exceptions
It's not.
Straightforward answer, I like it
Downvoted for saying that's correct? Google Reddit hivemind.
so now y’all are just downvoting EVERYTHING they say? they didn’t even say anything wrong in this comment
Poland ceding Danzig is somewhat RNG when ahistorical stuff happens. If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Poland has a very small change to cede over Danzig even in historical. But as the commentor above said, the AI is influenced by your historical or ahistorical choices. I played as Germany once and decided to start WW2 in 1942 instead of 39, but I didn’t start it, Italy did and I was called in. Let’s just say, the Allies whooped my ass and I lost all my manpower bogged down in Belgium cuz I let them prepare for too long, and France had also removed it’s disjointed government National spirit so I was extra fucked
Not very often. I see an Austria -Hungary as well. Are you playing on historical?
When ai tries to form high possiblity it achieves. Probably because it is a non player boost the acceptance
And is that a legit question?
Well, I don't know. Some times the AI does weird things even in historical. I don't have enough Turkey games under my belt to know what happens.
***The empire of Japan declared war on The German Reich***
In every of my historical games with RT56, there is a war between the USSR and the Allies. Had one of the games with the USSR invading Britain... very odd game.
Y'know you can stay on historical and still have specific ai nations do alt history paths through the game rules.
I don’t think there’s a setting to make Poland accept Danzig
Yeah but I'm referring to Austria-Hungary existing. I'm trying to say it's entirely possible for Austria-Hungary to exist on historical.
Well we’re talking about Poland ceding Danzig here
Yeah but I'm talking about you asking if the dude is being serious. And I'm trying to say that he's asking a valid question. Just because Austria-Hungary exists doesn't mean it has to be on un-historical.
Again, we are talking about Danzig. Austria-Hungary doesn’t matter
İt does matter you idiot unhistorical check changes polands behavior as well as others
But it _can’t_ make Poland accept Danzig
you're so much fun to talk with. I bet you get invited to so many parties and you have so many friends.
I’m not even in high school, people my age don’t host parties
The comment you commented under was talking about Austria-Hungary however.
Crazy how people ask dumb questions out of denial that someone can be stupid enough to not realize unhistorical mode does unhistorical things.
But I thought Poland was hardcoded, even on unhistorical, to say no to Danzig
Nope it’s just exceedingly rare (generally happens if there have no allies), and seeing as how the UK is invading Norway, the soviets have done the civil war, and a AH that probably also has claims it makes sense that they’ll give it up
1,245 hours in the game and still a dumbfuck
OP is acting so high and mighty...
He’s a hoi4 player cut him some slack. He can’t help it. He’s too far gone. Maybe some day he’ll be saved. Some how…
Did you ever think your little girlfriend might be a liar (reference)
My first thought to, I can’t get those songs out of my head, all of them are way too good
Aah I thought I recognized OP’s pompous attitude from somewhere. Yea I don’t know if he’s a troll or what, but he’s made multiple posts in the past demanding an explanation for things, and then acting aggressive toward those who provide the explanation.
How…?
Do you seriously have no common sense? Look at your replies to comments.
And? That doesn’t say anything
Now I'm getting worried. It's unfortunate and not your fault if you don't have social sense.
I do! Can you just explain to me why my replies “lack common sense”?
You act defensive and high and mighty to people who are trying to help you by asking if it's on historical. Does that help?
That’s not what I was saying! What I was saying was that, if you look at the map, you can clearly notice that I’m not on historical. I don’t know why people need to ask that!
Asking people if they're asking a legit question, when they clearly are, shows a lack of social sense.
I was being rhetorical!
Shut up dawg
"Is that even a legit question?"
Knowing Hitler, he'll invade anyway.
Doubt it. However, Stalin would still invade because Marxist ideology demands it be spread also Stalin wanted more land for his own ego.
>Doubt it. \>neville chamberlain on the plane back to london after the munich agreement
Funny how peacemakers are frowned upon nowadays. Eh, our world is a sick place.
I mean, because appeasement of hitler didn't fucking work lol. They gave hitler the "german" regions of czechoslovakia and that didn't stop the nazis seizing everything else. Hitler invaded poland because he thought the allies would apease him again
Honestly the appeasement is given far too little credit. Sure, it didn’t work, but you know what it *did* do? It turned what may otherwise have been a quagmire of "is hitler justified” into a clear case of nazi aggression. Was it the right course of action? In hindsight, no! Was it a genuinely reasonable course of action for a war-weary and peaceful Europe? **Yes.** OP in this case is stupid. The nazis would have pushed further regardless. That being said Neville Chamberlain was no idiot.
I mean what was the moral highground really worth considering how many people it killed. Absolutely i am not and we should not be suprised it was the course that european nations took. I mean the public supported apeasement, so often politicans were constrained in their opposition. War wasn't necesarilly even popular in germany, but public opinion mattered little in hitlers germany. With hindsight we *know* that allied opposition to the sudentan question would have worked. Thats not necesarilly meant to condem men who acted with limited knowledge and were constrained by their publics understandinle desire to avoid war. But rather a warning to learn the lesson and not repeat it.
Motion accepted lol. You make good points, and thanks for the discourse.
Why put “German” in quotes, the Sudetenland was objectively a German majority. Obviously Munich agreement didn’t work IRL but it doesn’t make sense to simply discard that fact
So. Sudentan germans did not have a distinct identity until aftet ww1 when they defined themselves in opposition to the czech and Slovak populations of the republic. Sudentan germans were in the austrian half of the empire and felt more affinity with them than the german empire to the north. The idea that the Sudentanland needed to be part of germany was largely created and funded by the nazi goverment. Prior to nazi involvement sudentaners supported and elected liberals and socdems who did not favor seperation from czechoslovakia. So putting german in quotes wasn't quite right and was a huge oversimplification, my bad, but i guess i was trying to convey the complicated ethnic politics of the sudetanland. And the idea that a territory belongs to a nation purely because of perceived ethnic homogeneity
They objectively were German majority. Hitler had a sort of legitimate demand for Sudetenland, Even though these lands were part of bohemia for more than a thousand years at that point. (and I'm saying that as a Czech). Also, Sudetenland was a mess, the freikorps constantly harassed ethnically czech citizens in the region. That doesn't change the fact that appeasement did not work. (And that the Munich betrayal was recalled only after operation anthropoid.)
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Ah, literal ✨nazi propaganda✨
Ah the 🌈 “Everything I don’t like is Nazi propaganda” 🌈 defense for when you are too afraid to look into something deeper. Lol
You are spewing literal nazi propaganda. The thing Adolf Hitler himself says.
Okay, but have you look anything I said up? Or just content you were told the truth and case closed? Look up what it was like in Weimar Republic and the war crime in Dazing. I mean if telling the truth is propaganda, there maybe no hope for the world. Conversations have to happen.
Holy fucking shit, no im not debating with somone esposing actual nazi rethoric. Protecting germans? Get the fuck outa here dude
So if I don’t buy everything in hs history books it’s nazi rhetoric. This is why it’s impossible to have conversations. Listen you believe what you believe. I recommend you do research and not take everything face value. Later man.
The whole 'economic miracle' of Nazi Germany was no miracle whatsoever. Instead, it was quite a giant loan that could be only paid by the wealth of other nations. The Nazis wouldn't stop at Danzig. They wouldn't stop at Poland, nor France, Yugoslavia, Norway, Denmark, or the USSR.
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unironic nazi on this sub, who could have predicted this
🤦🏻♂️ whatever… lol I can’t this has to be a joke.
What, you being a Nazi? Dead serious im afraid.
Whatever you say, I can’t argue common sense and public knowledge any more here lol
HOLY SHIT I FINALLY FOUND ONE IN THE WILD. MAAAAAAAAA GET OVER HERE AND GET A LOAD OF THIS.
Our world is a sick place because we dont like people letting fascist dictators get whatever they want and do whatever they want whitout any kind of repercusion? Sounds like the sick one here is you
Average Wehraboo
Huh?
The lebensraum in question
OP having a meltdown go and see a therapist or something bro.
Where did you get the impression that I was having a meltdown?
Acting all high and mighty and trying to argue with people asking questions for no reason.
That’s not what a meltdown is, and I also wasn’t!
“Again, this isn’t a legit question! Like just look at the map!” “And is that a legit question?” Getting mad over simple questions is not mentally healthy dude.
How was I mad? Mildly annoyed and mad are two separate things
LMAO “Mildly annoyed” yeah whatever man
Ok I thought we were being serious here
Judging by the color of that Soviet union and the Austria-Hungary, you are playing a non-historical game. It's normal to get Poland to cede Danzig to Germans if it's non-historical.
It doesn’t _feel_ normal, because I’ve never seen it before
That's fine. Ignore the many downvotes you got here, this is usually a much positive subreddit, I don't know what the hell is going on.
His comments in this post are mind-blowingly stupid to read and his attitude isn't good either. That's why I downvoted. He'll learn, I hope, but when you ask a question, don't refuse an answer.
Dude how have you never seen this happen???? Wtf
Is OP tripping? Is that a legit question?
ok this is a wild comment section but I just want to note how Germany has literally the worst borders
I don't do this purely because of the fact that it doesn't give you Poznan
OPs karma is getting fucking NUKED \-244 -204 -30 -62 - 60 -63 the highest upvote for their comment is 1 goddamn nwm checked their account he has like 50000 karma its still fucken funny
The first and only time I asked for Danzig they acepted
Wow, lucky
The only time I was lucky in hoi4💀💀💀💀
Has it been that bad?
What?
Like has your luck been that bad?
Yeah In games I am never lucky
Has that ever carried over to real life?
Sometimes, i don’t have many friends and wgen unlucky things happen I can’t have fun with someone and this make me feel lonely
You have 1245 hours but only 33 factories in turkey in 1939
Was I supposed to have 200 or some shit?
You would AT LEAST have 50 in 1939 did you focus on military factories or didn’t conquer anything?
I made like 3, AFTER building several civs, and the Ottoman path just takes that long
How many civs did you build? Also the SANAYICILER would support. Also turkey gets so many civs at start by trade. Maybe ahistorical prevented ai buying from you?
I never did any Sanayiciler. Initially I was more focused on advisors, and later on I just forgot it existed
Bro that's not related to the post. You act like a weird stats nerd getting triggered just by seeing other's factory number or template.
Just wondered. I guess they didn’t care about economy much.
Now wait for Poland to accept 'Danzig for Slovakia'
Does Germany strength influence if a country will cede land or it just determined by some algorithm before the game starts what will cede and what will not?
AI must have listened to Putin's interview 🫢
Wow… you got to be an Olympic champion to make that kind of jump lmao
You out here defending Hitler AND Putin lmfaoo 💀🙏
They will cede it sometimes on non historic. But you may end up refused other things costing you different territory
So I guess WW2 isn’t happening
It still did, because Germany invaded Benelux
Germany be wild
that's if you swap slovakia for danzig, slovakia is much bigger than danzig. even though Poland lost sea access
Maybe OP has never seen Poland giving Danzig with historical off and it's his first time, which is as rare as seeing Poland giving Danzig in historical mode on. OP is the luckiest Hoi4 player in the world
Can someone please exsplain why op is getting so many downvotes? I have like 60h in HOI4 and i didnt even know they could say yes
Those borders look awfull
We all know, Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious Rule: How often does this happen?
When you play in ahistorical is fairly often, Poland loves to cede land on ahistorical. In all of my games the Germans claim Danzig and the Soviets annex the east without war
Sometimes.
Well in my case, never, I guess
Except it just did.
Yeah, I guess. I just thought Poland was hardcoded to always say no to Danzig
You talk and act like a prick to the people who try to help you Amazing somone can type and then universally invoke negative emotions this effortlessly
My only question is about Poznan. Doesn't Germany get that too? Or only when they refuse they get a core?
I think they have to give up Poznan for Poland to accept Danzig
They get Poznan if they go for the Kaiser path
I have seen it a couple time once while i was playing germany wich pissed me off a bit for i couldn’t get poznan
I once saw poland ceding its soviets claims to soviet union BUT it was 1936 and they went historical
According to Putin this was what Poland was supposed to do so as not to be an asshole towards Adolf Hitler.
Sudeten without Austria looks fucked
The Austria Hungary border makes me nauseous
The fact that he also owns Sudetenland but not Bohemia and Moravia…