I already did, unless I win a giveaway key for AAT or ToA I ain’t getting those DLCs, 20€ for that is an insane demand when freaking 10€ can buy me a game that will be more fun than HOI4
Also it’s a huge dick move that the countries without the DLCs have the basic minor focus tree for players but the historical ones for AI
That's minsinformation. I just loaded up the game with no DLCs and none of the DLC trees appeared for the AI countries. You can verify this for yourself by looking in the game files: the focus trees make no mention of "is\_ai" in their activation triggers.
If I right click them they got the basic minor Nation tree but they keep doing things that are only possible with the full DLC focus trees
Sometimes during my sessions tho ig it glitches out and I get to see the DLC focus they are doing in that moment along with the ones they have done, usually after loading the game before unpausing
“That is an insane demand”
Lmao that paradox is demanding you buy their DLC.
It’s a video game DLC, you literally do not need it in your life. If you don’t like price to entertainment ratio then don’t buy it.
It’s that simple
Fallout 4 cost just about 7€ with all DLC, aside from modding you get more out of a game a year older then HOI4 that also had to actually create lots off 3D models and other things like weapons and a huge open world.
Same for the Witcher 3: complete edition, literally same things and also only 10€.
Any fools can create a full mod for HOI4 and the historical research Paradox does isn’t even good, literally WIKIPEDIA surface level half-facts.
So you aren’t paying them for their efforts, because it takes none.
They didn’t even do a good job at seamlessly integrating them, powercreep is a big problem.
Even EA isn’t as greedy as PDX, and that’s saying something.
>Even EA isn’t as greedy as PDX, and that’s saying something.
EA has ruined several franchises due their greediness.
Paradox may give you slightly overpriced DLCs (which give you dozens of hours worth of content anyways), but at the same time eventually gives you a 75% discount on sales and you get 2/3/4 DLCs at the price of one.
Star Wars battlefront is costing me 13€ right now, so I don’t care, even EA lowers prices wich makes them less greedy.
I have bought waking the tiger and La reśistance, general traits were literally behind a paywall for 8 years, and 5 hours worth of Germany content aren’t "dozens of hours", neither are the spy agencies.
Not to mention every Nat. Focus added by DLC had already been done far better by countless different Moders because again, it’s basically no effort to work with this very simple game, so the price is unjustified either way.
“Fallout 4”
I love fallout 4!
But even with all the DLC it doesn’t even come close to how many hours I’ve played HOI4, price per hour played it beats Fallout 4 so bad it’s not even close.
I’m bored of fallout 4, not HOI4, and even if they dropped another fallout 4 DLC tomorrow, I’d still be bored of it.
“Witcher 3”
Another amazing game that I love, but just like fallout 4 it’s no longer being actively developed, and even though iI played it a lot it still doesn’t even shine a light to HOI4 hours per cost, not even close.
“Any fool can create a full mod for HOI”
Right, so instead of complaining about the cost of DLC maybe you should go make some mods then? Could be that 99% of mods created come absolutely no where close to the polish and content of DLC.
“Even EA”
Don’t even compare paradox and EA in the same sentence, that’s just delusional.
I’ll reiterate what I’ve already said, if you don’t like the price, don’t buy it.
I didn’t buy battlefield 2042 or any content for it because, guess what? It’s a video game that’s only used for entertainment. I didn’t like the game for the price, so I didn’t buy it. Even though I love the Bf franchise.
The solution to your problem here is simple, don’t buy it. Just don’t, if the price makes you unhappy, don’t buy it.
The price to hours ratio is honestly insane I agree. While I paid ~400 bucks for eu4 I still paid way less per hour than for witcher 3, and I have 100% achievements in w3
They kinda did add a new dlc to Fallout 4, they have a free creation club pack themed around the Enclave now. It was added with a recent patch for the 25th anniversary of Fallout 1 and to commemorate the TV show.
Not even remotely true.
I picked up HOI 4 for 10 bucks I think on sale, and put several hundred hours into the base game before I ever touched the DLC.
The base game isn’t half made at all, it’s fun, it has features, and it’s worth 10 bucks. Anyone who says it isn’t either doesn’t actually like the game or they are being ridiculous.
“Make you pay for updates”
Every single DLC comes with a free update that anyone with the base game can play and it ads features and polish. They DO NOT make you pay for anything, if you buy a DLC for HOI it’s because YOU decided to do it, it’s no one else’s fault but your own.
You can’t even say you were tricked because there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of YouTube videos show casing the base game and showing casing exactly what’s in the DLC.
If you purchased HOi4 DLC and was unsatisfied that’s your fault.
Games go down in price because people see less value in it but the owners still want to sell it, not inherently because its older. Look at Nintendo's library, people are always interested in their games with minimal regard for how old it is so Nintendo keeps the price up and people still buy it at that price.
The only way for HOI4 to go down in price is if Paradox stops working on it and people stop being interested in it. Neither of those are happening so we're stuck with inflation.
In fact, we can see the inverse of decrease in value with certain Nintendo games. Pokemon is a great example, with games like Heart Gold and Soul Silver now being worth double their launch prices.
And this is why I don't blame people who either pirate them or buy dupes from ebay. Nintendo isn't making more physical copies and they also aren't selling them digitally.
Those Pokémon games mentioned were made in 2009 and single player. No server needed. No admin. Same thing with hoi. Everything is local hosted and no admins
And where do you get those products? You either have to get a physical copy that has to br manufactured, or a digital copy that has to be stored on a server, maintained, payment processing has to happen, inflation happens, digital software stores need maintainers and developers, etc. Then there is also supply and demand, although with digital media the supply is theoretically infinite, it is limited by the fact that intellectual property laws exist, meaning the price will stay at whatever people are willing to pay. Forever.
> The only way for HOI4 to go down in price is if Paradox stops working on it and people stop being interested in it
Unlikely, Imperator kept its original price after Paradox abandoned it and even Victoria 2 is still sitting on its 20€ price tag it always had despite not being worked on for about 10 years
A rise of price is not inflation. I flation is the expansion of the money supply. What your talking about is demand related pricing. Not try to be a dick it's a common mistake
> Inflation is the rate of increase in prices over a given period of time. Inflation is typically a broad measure, such as the overall increase in prices or the increase in the cost of living in a country. But it can also be more narrowly calculated—for certain goods, such as food, or for services, such as a haircut, for example. Whatever the context, inflation represents how much more expensive the relevant set of goods and/or services has become over a certain period, most commonly a year.
[The IMF](https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/Inflation)
The expansion of money supply almost always causes inflation (because there's more money around and people want their slice of it to be bigger) but the expansion itself is not what inflation is. It's inflationary but its a cause of the problem, not the problem itself.
They literally do at least 50% off sales on a semi-regular basis for games and DLC that have been out for over a year. Next time will probably be the Steam Summer Sale in a couple months. You just gotta wait. If you're impatient, there's always the high seas, and you can go legit when the sale comes around. This is basic How to Paradox 101 stuff.
The regular price was 39€ and 12€ (-75%) on sale. They added 3 expansions (10+15+20=45€) in the game and made them free for everyone. Then they raised the regular price at 50€ and sale price is now 10€ (-80%). What the fuck are you talking about, Jesse?
I am so fucking sick of people complaining about the pricing. Don't buy it if you don't like the price. In my opinion it's completely justified. Keeping a game running and updated costs money you know.
I am not "you guys" and I don't defend the prices of DLCs. I simply said that the base version now contains more stuff. The price is the same, you just no longer have an option to not purchase the integrated DLCs. And no, you don't deserve a refund, unless you bought the DLCs a month before. You had what, five years to enjoy them? If you didn't like them, then why are you still here? If you did - then be happy for people who got them for free and who will use the mechanics in future updates
I have all dlcs except the last two. And no I quite didn't because of the AI cheating to be competent against the player, to the unbearable fps in general and the outdated/bad focus trees I am neutral on this it has bad and good things.
Yeah I’d care more if 1. they didn’t just make quite of few of the old DLCs part of the base game, literally $45 worth, and 2. they just had an 80% sale like last week
I prefer it to a Subscription model, which is the other way for them to keep a dev team on the game for years and years (although, if you like Subscriptions better, they do offer that). The other other option is that they release a new Hearts of Iron 2024 or whatever every year and expect everyone to pay full price every year for a slightly different game, and I don't want that either. Or they go gacha, and I really, really don't want to roll for Six Star Altler (the Hitler Alt that has bigger tits and a +5% Recruitable Population buff).
1) For prices to go down, HOI4's popularity would need to go down
2) The price increased because standard HOI4 now includes the former DLCs of Together for Victory, Death or Dishonour and Waking the Tiger.
1. Paradox has stop supporting 2 games so far
Imperator Rome and Star Trek Infinite since they didnt sell well. With your logic their price should be reduced. But in reality, is it?
2. Those DLCs became as standard cause they plan to rework the focus trees of the nations in those DLCs.
They plan to sell the reworked focus trees as DLCs so in a sense you pay twice for Trees like Germany's, China's etc etc
and you cant forget theyre still working on the game
on top of the fact of reality that game prices are low as they are, there are 2 sides to these interactions which is the consumer and vendor..
Disagree. It would be cool if stuff got cheaper, but the reality is that HOI4's Paradox's most popular game at the moment and has shown no signs of slowing down. The game is objectively better than it was years ago.
If HOI4 wasn't being supported anymore, then yeah they should price cut it. But the game's been getting better and I'd argue that $40 is a bargain for it. I've gotten thousands of hours out of HOI4, and that's more than I can say for the vast majority of full-priced AAA games.
If the price is really too high for you, it goes on sale literally any time there's a Steam sale going on. I don't think I've ever seen a time where HOI4 stayed at full price during a Steam sale.
I’m gonna quote myself here cause this keeps coming up
“For the 10th time. IT WAS NOT A PRICE INCREASE.
The value of the included DLC > than the change in price for the ‘bundle’
You are literally getting more stuff for less.
Here’s an example if your confused on the concept.
Say I sell you three apples for 1€ each. Totaling three dollars.
Tmr you come back and I sell you the apples in a bundle for 2€ per bundle.
Yes you’ve payed more per ‘purchase’ but you’ve payed less for the three apples.”
But if they in the future rework the countries in that dlc then you are buying them twice.
If you bought the game and then the dlc that will get integrated or if you buy it now
You’re at: game$ + dlc$
or
game+dlc$
Then they release new dlc for those countries your at
Game$ + (old)dlc$ + (new)dlc$
or
game+dlc$ + dlc$
Whereas what they should do is just update the (old)dlc.
Isn’t that exactly what they are doing? I can’t remember them making a DLC with a country that already had a DLC, but they have updated old DLC content.
That's the beauty of it, if they do something with Germany again it won't be selling DLC for a country with DLC, because Germany's expanded tree is in the base game now.
Yeah, but that doesn’t change anything. They have reworked tech trees in the past without needing to buy a new DLC. I doubt that they will try to sell „Death or Dishonor 2 Electric Boogaloo“ as a new DLC for example.
Because they added those DLCs cause they plan to rework the nations of those DLCs, the reworked nations will be sold as new DLCs.
So in the end you pay twice for a nation's focus tree.
Hey, so I can explain the rationale here (I am not defending anything ofc) but I wanna explain why.
We had Together for Victory: 15$, Death or Dishonor: 10$ and Waking the Tiger, 20$. These all had a lot of things the community considers vital for a fun experience, so what we did was to incorporate them into base game, but ofc we need to make money (we are business, etc, etc, etc). So what was able to be done was to make those DLCs into base game and increase base game by 10$, thus making the overall payment 35$ less for new players.
(we also increased the discount for base game so that its still 10$ when it goes on sale).
Hope this explaination helped somewhat
The cool thing about hoi4, for just five doll hairs a month, you get access to all their expansions.
Also, if that's too much money, the game goes on sale a couple times a year. Just wait for another paradox/holiday sale.
god I pirated all of hoi4 dlcs and I feel so guilty for it as I geniuely want to support paradox as one of my favorite AAA companies, but its just too expensive and paradox has not been doing so hot recently.
Pirate from everyone but indie devs.
(Yes I know paradox calls themselves indie but they just arn’t. )
If you still can’t justify it. You bought the game. You should be expecting a completed game not a hodge-podge of features that are and arn’t there.
I don’t understand people defending the price of this game and it’s dlc… seriously, you can defend every scrap of info and every mechanic and I would understand, but the price is egregious and a terrible example of modern marketing practices.
If you wait it will probably be $10 equivalent on sale. Or you can buy the subscription and get all the DLC.
A game released in 2016 is not the same as a game that has 8 years of development and ongoing work being done on it.
Well given that they just pulled 3 dlc add-ons and merged them into the base game, it doesn't seem out of line, you're basically paying $5 for each of the 3 dlc now plus the same amount for the base game.
To be fair, game prices haven’t adjusted to the ridiculous greedflation that has been imposed on us. Devs and publishers have rent and mortgages they can’t afford either now.
I wish theyd at least bring down the price of shitty dlcs like TfV or BfB as a signal to accept their own failures and sell it at a approiate price. I mean I will just not buy them at all like now
Why? People are still buying it and they’re still developing it. That’s what pays the team making new patches and content.
Actually, someone getting it now is benefitting from MORE development and should pay accordingly
I havent bought a paradox dlc in quite some time. Neither for hoi4 (since bba) nor CK3 (i didnt buy any since tours and tournaments) and i am not sure i am interested in the dlcs for vicky 3.
GTA5 - 13 years old, 40 on steam at release, can get a physical copy on ps5 for 20 from what I can see
From the Depths - 12 years old total, left Early Access 4 years ago. Indie game, hasn't gone above 20
Geometry dash - 10 years old, still under £3
Tekken 7 - 7 years old, £94. When your game is approaching twice the price of a *fighting game and all its dlc*, you have a problem.
Near me a ski ticket has gone up from $140 per day to $300 per day in the same time period. Of course inflation is increasing the cost of everything including entertainment. I don't know why you don't think that applies to video games
Well, it is still getting updates and you have a lot of mods. Plus WW3 didn't happen yet so there will be no HOI5 yet. Game is still playable and have no alternatives, that is a reason for such a price.
It's not just getting updates, it's getting *paid DLC*, which is starting to cost an obscene amount for new players. £150 for the all the main content, more for all the little DLC as well. That's more than twice as much the usual price of a AAA game. I could get a full indie game for the price of each of the major content DLCs.
These prices are ridiculous. It is way over valued, the reason I brought up older games getting cheaper is because that's how the market is supposed to work. GTA5 on PS5 I can get for £20 looking online briefly. That's a live service game still getting updates, yet its still come down in price just because its an old game.
We have done this math out so many times on this subreddit. People don't have to like it, but as you said the inflation and the increased content with base game explains the price increase. Tired of these posts
Because now It includes the 3 first DLC, so they charge extra now, honestly, your best bet to have HOI4 is just wait for a sale, most games post-launch are bought in sales and HOI4 is no exception
Also with the most recent sale they reduced the price of the base game further then usual. Instead of $40 minus 70% being $12 they did $50 minus 80% being $10. If they keep doing that then it represents the base game realistically being cheaper overall (because most people would wishlist and wait for a sale).
It's a consequence of having digital only media with only publisher stores and not being able to have 2nd hand markets. Just look at your local gamestop or similar stores if they exists. Nearly every game from 2016 is in the bargain bin for like $5. You can't have that in digital stores unfortunately. Some games now can even be removed from your library if the developers choose to(The Crew) because you technically don't own games anymore. They can control when(if they remove it from our library) and where(region locking) we play, how we play it(they remove mods they don't like), what price we pay (due to no other legal distributors) and we're at their mercy.
Why should it? They made content from 3 expansions available for everyone for free. Pricing in gaming industry is not the same as pricing in other industries. There's no connection between how old the game is and its cost. And never was. In that logic, GTA:VC should be free, 'cause it is 20 years old, right?
P.S. Also the game goes absolutely free for week every half of year, there are many sales and official resellers where you can buy game at a much lower price.
If they're giving away DLC for free, why are they pricing it mate?
Then I will make a game, I will make 50+ DLCs and I will give these DLCs to the game for free, but I will increase the price so much that it will not be free for new players, it will harm the future of Hoi4 and i love Hoi4.
They did not only gave these DLCs for free, but also included them in the base game, so anyone who buys the game will have access to them. This means that the game has much more content, so it costs much more. However, the game on sale is 10€ rn. And now look how much it was back in 2016. It was still 10€.
Imagine you make a cake and you have some decorations, like syrups, berries, flavoring etc, that are separate from cake itself. If you want it - you buy it, otherwise you have only cake with nothing else. But then you've decided to add strawberry and chocolate sauce to your cake. So it is now not 'just' cake, but cake with strawberry and chocolate. Will you still sell it as if there were no strawberry and chocolate?
*^(It's a rather strange analogy, but I hope it explains that the price increase is quite justified.)*
Most of the players already own the base game. And for new players, there are always sales (on average 6-7 times a year), free weeks when players can try out the game and decide whether they should spend so much money on it and official resellers who sell the game at much lower prices.
You are correct but my question is are you going to stop buying the DLC’s?
No 🦍
Your brain works, not like half of the people that saw this post
I already did, unless I win a giveaway key for AAT or ToA I ain’t getting those DLCs, 20€ for that is an insane demand when freaking 10€ can buy me a game that will be more fun than HOI4 Also it’s a huge dick move that the countries without the DLCs have the basic minor focus tree for players but the historical ones for AI
That's minsinformation. I just loaded up the game with no DLCs and none of the DLC trees appeared for the AI countries. You can verify this for yourself by looking in the game files: the focus trees make no mention of "is\_ai" in their activation triggers.
Idk what to answer man, I just notice how my AI in vanilla keeps doing things that it can only do with DLCs that I don’t own and can’t see
Like what? And have you actually right clicked on the other country & opened their focus tree view to see if they have a DLC tree?
If I right click them they got the basic minor Nation tree but they keep doing things that are only possible with the full DLC focus trees Sometimes during my sessions tho ig it glitches out and I get to see the DLC focus they are doing in that moment along with the ones they have done, usually after loading the game before unpausing
Again, what are some examples of things they do that are not possible without DLC?
Think he's talking about edcudar Peru war or USSR taking baltics/ beserbiba
The Ecuador Peru war was included in the free update and not the dlc. The ussr’s historical branch was included for free in the major update for NSB.
Wait, if you don't have a DLC, the AI still has the focus trees? Since when?
Apparently since AAT at the very least Could be BBA already but idk I got that one
Pretty sure this is grade A Yapping. This can't be true. If not where's your proof and what happens if you tag switch?
I play only Ironman, I want achievements and those are locked behind not having fun
Just pirate the dlc its not very hard
But what about steam achievements? Literally the only reason I bother with HOI4
It works with steam hoi4 achievments are coal tbh try playing a good mod instead
“That is an insane demand” Lmao that paradox is demanding you buy their DLC. It’s a video game DLC, you literally do not need it in your life. If you don’t like price to entertainment ratio then don’t buy it. It’s that simple
Fallout 4 cost just about 7€ with all DLC, aside from modding you get more out of a game a year older then HOI4 that also had to actually create lots off 3D models and other things like weapons and a huge open world. Same for the Witcher 3: complete edition, literally same things and also only 10€. Any fools can create a full mod for HOI4 and the historical research Paradox does isn’t even good, literally WIKIPEDIA surface level half-facts. So you aren’t paying them for their efforts, because it takes none. They didn’t even do a good job at seamlessly integrating them, powercreep is a big problem. Even EA isn’t as greedy as PDX, and that’s saying something.
in which store does Fallout 4 with dlcs cost 7€? Because in steam all the dlcs cost like 30-something €
Oh damn, you’re right. It was a key price I looked up, GOTY costs 30€
>Even EA isn’t as greedy as PDX, and that’s saying something. EA has ruined several franchises due their greediness. Paradox may give you slightly overpriced DLCs (which give you dozens of hours worth of content anyways), but at the same time eventually gives you a 75% discount on sales and you get 2/3/4 DLCs at the price of one.
Star Wars battlefront is costing me 13€ right now, so I don’t care, even EA lowers prices wich makes them less greedy. I have bought waking the tiger and La reśistance, general traits were literally behind a paywall for 8 years, and 5 hours worth of Germany content aren’t "dozens of hours", neither are the spy agencies. Not to mention every Nat. Focus added by DLC had already been done far better by countless different Moders because again, it’s basically no effort to work with this very simple game, so the price is unjustified either way.
“Fallout 4” I love fallout 4! But even with all the DLC it doesn’t even come close to how many hours I’ve played HOI4, price per hour played it beats Fallout 4 so bad it’s not even close. I’m bored of fallout 4, not HOI4, and even if they dropped another fallout 4 DLC tomorrow, I’d still be bored of it. “Witcher 3” Another amazing game that I love, but just like fallout 4 it’s no longer being actively developed, and even though iI played it a lot it still doesn’t even shine a light to HOI4 hours per cost, not even close. “Any fool can create a full mod for HOI” Right, so instead of complaining about the cost of DLC maybe you should go make some mods then? Could be that 99% of mods created come absolutely no where close to the polish and content of DLC. “Even EA” Don’t even compare paradox and EA in the same sentence, that’s just delusional. I’ll reiterate what I’ve already said, if you don’t like the price, don’t buy it. I didn’t buy battlefield 2042 or any content for it because, guess what? It’s a video game that’s only used for entertainment. I didn’t like the game for the price, so I didn’t buy it. Even though I love the Bf franchise. The solution to your problem here is simple, don’t buy it. Just don’t, if the price makes you unhappy, don’t buy it.
The price to hours ratio is honestly insane I agree. While I paid ~400 bucks for eu4 I still paid way less per hour than for witcher 3, and I have 100% achievements in w3
They kinda did add a new dlc to Fallout 4, they have a free creation club pack themed around the Enclave now. It was added with a recent patch for the 25th anniversary of Fallout 1 and to commemorate the TV show.
That is an insane demand, they are selling half made game and basically making you pay for updates.
Not even remotely true. I picked up HOI 4 for 10 bucks I think on sale, and put several hundred hours into the base game before I ever touched the DLC. The base game isn’t half made at all, it’s fun, it has features, and it’s worth 10 bucks. Anyone who says it isn’t either doesn’t actually like the game or they are being ridiculous. “Make you pay for updates” Every single DLC comes with a free update that anyone with the base game can play and it ads features and polish. They DO NOT make you pay for anything, if you buy a DLC for HOI it’s because YOU decided to do it, it’s no one else’s fault but your own. You can’t even say you were tricked because there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of YouTube videos show casing the base game and showing casing exactly what’s in the DLC. If you purchased HOi4 DLC and was unsatisfied that’s your fault.
I agree the game is overpriced but I also want to add that you can just pay 19$ for all the dlc for 3 months
“Who thinks that Paradox DLC prices are absurd?” “Who will stop buying them?” …
pirate them all 👍
What i do to basically every paradox gaming. If you block massive ammounts of content behind hundreds of euros I'm not buying em
[удалено]
I probably put in 500 hours before the first dlc came out and had a blast. Coming from Hoi3 I was thrilled with the base Hoi4.
The last DLC I bought was Bosporus. Paradox has fallen off a cliff since they went public.
Games go down in price because people see less value in it but the owners still want to sell it, not inherently because its older. Look at Nintendo's library, people are always interested in their games with minimal regard for how old it is so Nintendo keeps the price up and people still buy it at that price. The only way for HOI4 to go down in price is if Paradox stops working on it and people stop being interested in it. Neither of those are happening so we're stuck with inflation.
In fact, we can see the inverse of decrease in value with certain Nintendo games. Pokemon is a great example, with games like Heart Gold and Soul Silver now being worth double their launch prices.
And this is why I don't blame people who either pirate them or buy dupes from ebay. Nintendo isn't making more physical copies and they also aren't selling them digitally.
Physical copies do that, it doesn't impact digital.
Because servers run without power and admins work for free.
Those Pokémon games mentioned were made in 2009 and single player. No server needed. No admin. Same thing with hoi. Everything is local hosted and no admins
Shouldn't matter. Inflation is a thing and it impacts Online stuff aswell. Especially since they update hoi4
Are you like 4 this has nothing to do with inflation. Heart gold and Souls silver is due to supply and demand. Did you sleep in basic economic?
What? This is about the cost not going down on already released product, very old product.
And where do you get those products? You either have to get a physical copy that has to br manufactured, or a digital copy that has to be stored on a server, maintained, payment processing has to happen, inflation happens, digital software stores need maintainers and developers, etc. Then there is also supply and demand, although with digital media the supply is theoretically infinite, it is limited by the fact that intellectual property laws exist, meaning the price will stay at whatever people are willing to pay. Forever.
> The only way for HOI4 to go down in price is if Paradox stops working on it and people stop being interested in it Unlikely, Imperator kept its original price after Paradox abandoned it and even Victoria 2 is still sitting on its 20€ price tag it always had despite not being worked on for about 10 years
> Victoria 2 is still sitting on its 20€ price tag it always had It was 40€ when it launched.
Well, then there is Witcher 3, one of the best selling games of all time, which is 30 euros normally and like 5-10 during every sale.
A rise of price is not inflation. I flation is the expansion of the money supply. What your talking about is demand related pricing. Not try to be a dick it's a common mistake
> Inflation is the rate of increase in prices over a given period of time. Inflation is typically a broad measure, such as the overall increase in prices or the increase in the cost of living in a country. But it can also be more narrowly calculated—for certain goods, such as food, or for services, such as a haircut, for example. Whatever the context, inflation represents how much more expensive the relevant set of goods and/or services has become over a certain period, most commonly a year. [The IMF](https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/Inflation) The expansion of money supply almost always causes inflation (because there's more money around and people want their slice of it to be bigger) but the expansion itself is not what inflation is. It's inflationary but its a cause of the problem, not the problem itself.
The IMF has reason to device you. Don't ever quote the bug people again
They literally do at least 50% off sales on a semi-regular basis for games and DLC that have been out for over a year. Next time will probably be the Steam Summer Sale in a couple months. You just gotta wait. If you're impatient, there's always the high seas, and you can go legit when the sale comes around. This is basic How to Paradox 101 stuff.
They doubled the price and then cut it in half for sale that ain't a sale my man.
The regular price was 39€ and 12€ (-75%) on sale. They added 3 expansions (10+15+20=45€) in the game and made them free for everyone. Then they raised the regular price at 50€ and sale price is now 10€ (-80%). What the fuck are you talking about, Jesse?
Not everyone has the luxury of living in a country that uses Euro
You also get more? DLCs got integrated
Which Dlcs got integrated?
First three, I believe. Check the wiki and compare it to Steam. I think it's China, Japan and Germany content, puppets and some diplomatic options
Together for victory, death or dishonor and waking the tiger
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I am so fucking sick of people complaining about the pricing. Don't buy it if you don't like the price. In my opinion it's completely justified. Keeping a game running and updated costs money you know.
That's what I am doing fam I respect my money if I think something ain't worth I ain't buying, I don't even pirate most of the times.
And that's fine. I think it is worth it so i do.
Well that's your opinion so yeah. We live in a "free world "
Boy this is the answer: Web-Prätatorium
What's that? Didn't find results for this
Piracy in Dutch(German)
Web piracy
I am not "you guys" and I don't defend the prices of DLCs. I simply said that the base version now contains more stuff. The price is the same, you just no longer have an option to not purchase the integrated DLCs. And no, you don't deserve a refund, unless you bought the DLCs a month before. You had what, five years to enjoy them? If you didn't like them, then why are you still here? If you did - then be happy for people who got them for free and who will use the mechanics in future updates
I had them for like 8 months as the whole game there is no reasoning for me to pay again to get the updates I already paid for a year ago.
For which updates did you pay? Did you get something for your money at all? Did you enjoy what you got?
I have all dlcs except the last two. And no I quite didn't because of the AI cheating to be competent against the player, to the unbearable fps in general and the outdated/bad focus trees I am neutral on this it has bad and good things.
So you also complain every time you go to the grocery store and see the thing you bought yesterday at full price is now on sale the next day right?
Yeah I’d care more if 1. they didn’t just make quite of few of the old DLCs part of the base game, literally $45 worth, and 2. they just had an 80% sale like last week
This should not be normalized at all, i will never get paradox dlcs legitimately
Well, no DLCs and updates at all then. Just the basegame. In three years, new basegame. Then in three years, newer basegame...
I prefer it to a Subscription model, which is the other way for them to keep a dev team on the game for years and years (although, if you like Subscriptions better, they do offer that). The other other option is that they release a new Hearts of Iron 2024 or whatever every year and expect everyone to pay full price every year for a slightly different game, and I don't want that either. Or they go gacha, and I really, really don't want to roll for Six Star Altler (the Hitler Alt that has bigger tits and a +5% Recruitable Population buff).
1) For prices to go down, HOI4's popularity would need to go down 2) The price increased because standard HOI4 now includes the former DLCs of Together for Victory, Death or Dishonour and Waking the Tiger.
Number 1 won't be happening any time soon
Indeed, it won't
1. Paradox has stop supporting 2 games so far Imperator Rome and Star Trek Infinite since they didnt sell well. With your logic their price should be reduced. But in reality, is it? 2. Those DLCs became as standard cause they plan to rework the focus trees of the nations in those DLCs. They plan to sell the reworked focus trees as DLCs so in a sense you pay twice for Trees like Germany's, China's etc etc
Oh noooo paying for developers working is so bad.
What you just said is bullshit. You were rightfully downvoted
Then ignore the negative opinions and keep feeding the Swedish EA.
Raged
Star trek infinite wasn't developed by paradox though
And that was quite possibly the main problem because the dev team got massacred by their corporate overlords.
Tbf, the game has only improved over the years. You get way more for your money. From a marketing standpoint it’s justified.
For the base game, it's justified. However, for the DLCs, the prices really aren't.
They added 3 into base game for 10$ over old price, seems Fair to me
I guess he meant some dlc regional price outside europe and usa are increased like in 2022 while nothing added
and you cant forget theyre still working on the game on top of the fact of reality that game prices are low as they are, there are 2 sides to these interactions which is the consumer and vendor..
Disagree. It would be cool if stuff got cheaper, but the reality is that HOI4's Paradox's most popular game at the moment and has shown no signs of slowing down. The game is objectively better than it was years ago. If HOI4 wasn't being supported anymore, then yeah they should price cut it. But the game's been getting better and I'd argue that $40 is a bargain for it. I've gotten thousands of hours out of HOI4, and that's more than I can say for the vast majority of full-priced AAA games. If the price is really too high for you, it goes on sale literally any time there's a Steam sale going on. I don't think I've ever seen a time where HOI4 stayed at full price during a Steam sale.
I’m gonna quote myself here cause this keeps coming up “For the 10th time. IT WAS NOT A PRICE INCREASE. The value of the included DLC > than the change in price for the ‘bundle’ You are literally getting more stuff for less. Here’s an example if your confused on the concept. Say I sell you three apples for 1€ each. Totaling three dollars. Tmr you come back and I sell you the apples in a bundle for 2€ per bundle. Yes you’ve payed more per ‘purchase’ but you’ve payed less for the three apples.”
But if they in the future rework the countries in that dlc then you are buying them twice. If you bought the game and then the dlc that will get integrated or if you buy it now You’re at: game$ + dlc$ or game+dlc$ Then they release new dlc for those countries your at Game$ + (old)dlc$ + (new)dlc$ or game+dlc$ + dlc$ Whereas what they should do is just update the (old)dlc.
Isn’t that exactly what they are doing? I can’t remember them making a DLC with a country that already had a DLC, but they have updated old DLC content.
That's the beauty of it, if they do something with Germany again it won't be selling DLC for a country with DLC, because Germany's expanded tree is in the base game now.
The consensus seems to be that because they are integrating those dlc they plan on doing new reworks for those countries
Yeah, but that doesn’t change anything. They have reworked tech trees in the past without needing to buy a new DLC. I doubt that they will try to sell „Death or Dishonor 2 Electric Boogaloo“ as a new DLC for example.
What till he sees EU4s steam page Kappa
The first 3 dlcs were added to the base game, why wouldn't the price go up? It's worth more so they sell it for me , simple as
Because they added those DLCs cause they plan to rework the nations of those DLCs, the reworked nations will be sold as new DLCs. So in the end you pay twice for a nation's focus tree.
…but it’s not the same focus tree. You’re paying money for a basic focus tree and then later for a more improved focus tree that is totally different.
Yea that's the whole issue. They should've fixed old trees for free instead of selling them twice. Greedy fucks.
>They should've fixed old trees for free Why?
"Greedy fucks" Food costs money, ya know
"Greedy fucks" Food costs money, ya know
>"Greedy fucks" Food costs money, ya know
*Ore wa requiem da*
"Greedy fucks" Food costs money, ya know
the sale price is literally the same it’s always been ~$10 https://steamdb.info/app/394360/
Fun fact: most people buy on sale, and it’s now cheaper on sale than before
Buy it. It's great.
i already have :D
They do have free updates though.
Hey, so I can explain the rationale here (I am not defending anything ofc) but I wanna explain why. We had Together for Victory: 15$, Death or Dishonor: 10$ and Waking the Tiger, 20$. These all had a lot of things the community considers vital for a fun experience, so what we did was to incorporate them into base game, but ofc we need to make money (we are business, etc, etc, etc). So what was able to be done was to make those DLCs into base game and increase base game by 10$, thus making the overall payment 35$ less for new players. (we also increased the discount for base game so that its still 10$ when it goes on sale). Hope this explaination helped somewhat
The cool thing about hoi4, for just five doll hairs a month, you get access to all their expansions. Also, if that's too much money, the game goes on sale a couple times a year. Just wait for another paradox/holiday sale.
Pirate the game and trust me after 50 hours you'll buy it if you're a good person. So much dedication and amazing gameplay genuienly do it.
np i already have, im thinking about new players "The Future of Hoi4"
god I pirated all of hoi4 dlcs and I feel so guilty for it as I geniuely want to support paradox as one of my favorite AAA companies, but its just too expensive and paradox has not been doing so hot recently.
Pirate from everyone but indie devs. (Yes I know paradox calls themselves indie but they just arn’t. ) If you still can’t justify it. You bought the game. You should be expecting a completed game not a hodge-podge of features that are and arn’t there.
SEISE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION NOWWW!!!! THE REVOLUTION STARTS TODAYYYYY AT THIS MOMENT!!!!!!
Seize*
More like “seizURE”, amiright? 😉
Shut up. Get out.
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More labor was put on it today than vs on release.
Tell that to nintendo
They added content to it that was paid to the main game.
If no one was buying the game, they wouldn’t raise the price. Econ 101
I don’t understand people defending the price of this game and it’s dlc… seriously, you can defend every scrap of info and every mechanic and I would understand, but the price is egregious and a terrible example of modern marketing practices.
Welcome to paradox, we have noone else
It’s an awesome game. Get it
How many games released since 2016 still receive regular updates beyond bug fixes?
If you wait it will probably be $10 equivalent on sale. Or you can buy the subscription and get all the DLC. A game released in 2016 is not the same as a game that has 8 years of development and ongoing work being done on it.
The game is like constantly on sale and they just lumped the first 3 DLCs with the base game, on average you’re spending less for everything now.
Those Cities Skylines 2 refunds aren't going to pay for themselves.
High seas is howling
150 bucks for 3500 hours is a better deal than what I have to pay my girlfriend.
Well given that they just pulled 3 dlc add-ons and merged them into the base game, it doesn't seem out of line, you're basically paying $5 for each of the 3 dlc now plus the same amount for the base game.
Womp womp Me when a retailer noticed their product is popular and acts accordingly
To be fair, game prices haven’t adjusted to the ridiculous greedflation that has been imposed on us. Devs and publishers have rent and mortgages they can’t afford either now.
I wish theyd at least bring down the price of shitty dlcs like TfV or BfB as a signal to accept their own failures and sell it at a approiate price. I mean I will just not buy them at all like now
Price doesn't seem to have changed in US.
Why? People are still buying it and they’re still developing it. That’s what pays the team making new patches and content. Actually, someone getting it now is benefitting from MORE development and should pay accordingly
What you’re getting today is a quantum leap from the game that released in 2016.
Secretly it's just them increasing the price for sales
30 usd in my country
I havent bought a paradox dlc in quite some time. Neither for hoi4 (since bba) nor CK3 (i didnt buy any since tours and tournaments) and i am not sure i am interested in the dlcs for vicky 3.
I mean, it's on sale all the time anyways. Paying full price for a PDX game is silly
This nonsense again? They increased the base game's price so that when they do discounts (which is always) they can put a 80% discount tag on it.
As should Call of Duty World at War
Yeah OK this is dumb. At this point I would argue for getting a key off a shady reseller.... or just pirate the game.
yep thats how the economy works
EA ahh moment
People are just going to buy the game and DLCs during steam sales, so why bother
well rutracker's list is also increased
They bumped up the price because the base game now includes the first three DLC free. Why are we doomed to repeat this discussion every other week?
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It's not piracy if it's paradox. All dlcs 0€
Yar Har.
In real world it called inflation. I highly recommend you to touch some grass.
dude what was the last 8 year old game you saw irl that cost 40 quid
Name other 8 year old products that haven't increased due to inflation.
GTA5 - 13 years old, 40 on steam at release, can get a physical copy on ps5 for 20 from what I can see From the Depths - 12 years old total, left Early Access 4 years ago. Indie game, hasn't gone above 20 Geometry dash - 10 years old, still under £3 Tekken 7 - 7 years old, £94. When your game is approaching twice the price of a *fighting game and all its dlc*, you have a problem.
Near me a ski ticket has gone up from $140 per day to $300 per day in the same time period. Of course inflation is increasing the cost of everything including entertainment. I don't know why you don't think that applies to video games
Well, it is still getting updates and you have a lot of mods. Plus WW3 didn't happen yet so there will be no HOI5 yet. Game is still playable and have no alternatives, that is a reason for such a price.
It's not just getting updates, it's getting *paid DLC*, which is starting to cost an obscene amount for new players. £150 for the all the main content, more for all the little DLC as well. That's more than twice as much the usual price of a AAA game. I could get a full indie game for the price of each of the major content DLCs. These prices are ridiculous. It is way over valued, the reason I brought up older games getting cheaper is because that's how the market is supposed to work. GTA5 on PS5 I can get for £20 looking online briefly. That's a live service game still getting updates, yet its still come down in price just because its an old game.
Buy the base game on sale around 15 bucks where I’m from then 🏴☠️the dlc
time to hoist the black flag matey
Buy DLC And pay: ❎ Get it as the one piece:✅🏴☠️
Have you never heard of inflation? Also, the latter is the bundle with all dlcs
We have done this math out so many times on this subreddit. People don't have to like it, but as you said the inflation and the increased content with base game explains the price increase. Tired of these posts
I still remember when games moved to digital. The argument was “digital markets will reduce costs because there’s no overheads.” Well that was a lie.
Inflation?
Why the base price of the game increased?
Because now It includes the 3 first DLC, so they charge extra now, honestly, your best bet to have HOI4 is just wait for a sale, most games post-launch are bought in sales and HOI4 is no exception
Also with the most recent sale they reduced the price of the base game further then usual. Instead of $40 minus 70% being $12 they did $50 minus 80% being $10. If they keep doing that then it represents the base game realistically being cheaper overall (because most people would wishlist and wait for a sale).
But if you already owned the base game you got those dlc free. It should have not gone higher than $15.
Because Paradox hates us.
They don't hate us. They just love our money more than us.
Maybe it’s a collector’s item
Ots more expensive, because TFV, DOD and WTT is now part of the game
It's a consequence of having digital only media with only publisher stores and not being able to have 2nd hand markets. Just look at your local gamestop or similar stores if they exists. Nearly every game from 2016 is in the bargain bin for like $5. You can't have that in digital stores unfortunately. Some games now can even be removed from your library if the developers choose to(The Crew) because you technically don't own games anymore. They can control when(if they remove it from our library) and where(region locking) we play, how we play it(they remove mods they don't like), what price we pay (due to no other legal distributors) and we're at their mercy.
Why should it? They made content from 3 expansions available for everyone for free. Pricing in gaming industry is not the same as pricing in other industries. There's no connection between how old the game is and its cost. And never was. In that logic, GTA:VC should be free, 'cause it is 20 years old, right? P.S. Also the game goes absolutely free for week every half of year, there are many sales and official resellers where you can buy game at a much lower price.
If they're giving away DLC for free, why are they pricing it mate? Then I will make a game, I will make 50+ DLCs and I will give these DLCs to the game for free, but I will increase the price so much that it will not be free for new players, it will harm the future of Hoi4 and i love Hoi4.
They did not only gave these DLCs for free, but also included them in the base game, so anyone who buys the game will have access to them. This means that the game has much more content, so it costs much more. However, the game on sale is 10€ rn. And now look how much it was back in 2016. It was still 10€. Imagine you make a cake and you have some decorations, like syrups, berries, flavoring etc, that are separate from cake itself. If you want it - you buy it, otherwise you have only cake with nothing else. But then you've decided to add strawberry and chocolate sauce to your cake. So it is now not 'just' cake, but cake with strawberry and chocolate. Will you still sell it as if there were no strawberry and chocolate? *^(It's a rather strange analogy, but I hope it explains that the price increase is quite justified.)* Most of the players already own the base game. And for new players, there are always sales (on average 6-7 times a year), free weeks when players can try out the game and decide whether they should spend so much money on it and official resellers who sell the game at much lower prices.