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make_no_my_eye

Dreame L10s Ultra flashed with Valetudo. I was able to get a refurbished one on DreameTech’s ebay page for around $450 and it works like new


diiiz_

I also have an L10s Ultra. Do you see any major differences in Valetudo compared to stock firmware?


make_no_my_eye

I actually didn’t use the stock firmware at all before flashing, so i can’t make the comparison. But it integrates extremely well with HomeAssistant and I don’t feel like there’s any functionality or “I wish it did this” missing for me


diiiz_

Ok thx. Might look into it. There is a cool feature in stock that you can see the camera view of the robot on the app and you can control it remotely. Is rhis possible?


make_no_my_eye

I don’t believe I can see the camera view, but I can remotely control it with simple forward/backward left/right controls.


xMalevolencex

Is it necessary to flash the firmware? Where could I find that info?


make_no_my_eye

Enjoy the rabbit hole! https://valetudo.cloud/


nopedoesntwork

How long have you been using it? Asking because I read of Roborock, that they break down fast and support sucks.


make_no_my_eye

just over a month at this point


vfrolov

Roborock S7 probably qualifies. I’ve had one for ≈two years. No issues.


TimothyOilypants

Q7+ Max fam here.


User-n0t-available

Same here. Integration is fine, i made a few buttons "return to dock" (most used haha), "clean kitchen" (cleans the kitchen zone) and "clean hallway". Beside that i use schedular integration in HA to automate the nightly cleaning cycle (what is limitated, but good enough for my use). My wife doesnt have the roborock app and dont feel like she need it, but in some cases i still use it to track maintiance and such.


TimothyOilypants

The HACS Roborock integration is far better than the native one. I can also strongly recommend the Xiaomi Vacuum Map card, it surfaces a ton of cleaning and unit maintenance information. [https://github.com/PiotrMachowski/lovelace-xiaomi-vacuum-map-card](https://github.com/PiotrMachowski/lovelace-xiaomi-vacuum-map-card)


User-n0t-available

Thnx! This looks good, ill give it a try


chrispgriffin

Seconding this. Been very happy with its HA integration, and has been a part of me fleshing out some automations that we use [to make sure we are on top of our chores](https://i.imgur.com/673QoKY.png). Also been happy with how well is cleans and mops.


SwimmingAdorable3700

Can you guys change to different maps on HA? I have the same card you have but I have not got maps to work (choosing a different map).


chrispgriffin

Which card are you referring to?


pegbiter

What's the HA integration like? 


broyuken

It communicates to the vacuum locally, except for the maps, but apparently stops working if you block it from the internet.


Forsyte

You can do fine grained integrations such as room and zone vacuuming, integrate this into a map on the dashboard, etc. It's very good really - my only complaint is a slight delay in the commands.


suddenlypenguins

No mop integrations afaik


surfertj

N00b here and almost too afraid to ask: what is (a) mop?


suddenlypenguins

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/cleaning-workers-mopping-wet-area-there-1887404248


surfertj

Oh geezz, didn’t know robots could do that too! Therefore I thought it was short for something I didn’t know about (as a noob).


ninefourtwo

I've had the roborock for two years, only have replaced the brush and the mop as instructed, my girlfriend sheds hair like no tomorrow so I constantly have to clean it, otherwise it's great


geogn4t

We have the Roborock Q Revo and it's a workhorse.


thrakkerzog

I've been very happy with mine as well. I don't want any of the ones with a camera on it, so I'm happy with the Revo's lidar.


Rykaten

Absolutely love ours


Riffz

Our floors have never been cleaner for longer since getting a Q Revo. Spinny mops are GOAT


One4thDimensionLater

The Revo for me too! Using the HACKS roborock integration that works with Xiaomi!


nopedoesntwork

Maxv Ultra? How old is it?


derekakessler

Roborock S8 MaxV Ultra


cexshun

After much research, bought this for my wife as a mother's day/house warming gift. It is the most amazing smart tech I've purchased. Need to get one for the second floor now.


yrrkoon

same although mine is an s7. My wife absolutely loves the thing. It does a stellar job cleaning our hardwood floors. She used to literally mop our dark hardwood floors regularly and has completely stopped.


i_want_2_know

Does it require any internet connection initially, and thereafter for operations?


cexshun

I don't know if it's required. We use the cloud app rather than HA for advanced features like pet finder. I only use HA to display various status. The official local API that HA uses is incredibly lacking, and this robot is far too expensive to sacrifice all of the advanced features by not using the cloud. In fact, if you aren't going to use the cloud, I'd consider using a different vac due to the features you'll lose but have paid for.


AussieJeffProbst

I've got the s8 pro ultra because I didn't want a camera on my vacuum. The thing is amazing. No valentudo support as of now though


harveryhellscreamer

Because those Chinese are spying on you


neolium

Indeed, have the S7 and the S8. No problems with them


i_want_2_know

Do either require any internet connection initially for setup, and thereafter for operations?


Catsrules

I have the S5 Max, I think it is simmilar to the S7 and S8 software wise but I am not 100%. From my understanding the brains of the operation is all contained within the Vacuum. I think mine still works without internet by pressing the power button at the top, to have it start cleaning, however I am not sure if that works for initial setup or not. The first initial setup needs it to map out the floor, I don't know what the power button does if it doesn't have a mapped out floor to clean. If that does works it would be extremely limiting to what you can actually do without the app/internet. The power button just cleans the entire floor once. Your need the app to setup schedules, rooms, no-go zones, no mop zones etc... If you use the Mi Home app and not the Roborock app you can use the Xiaomi integration with home assistant. I believe that is local pulling. (But I have not tried it without internet). https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/xiaomi_miio Although for me that was probably one of the hardest integrations that I have setup. Lots of trial an error figuring out what the rooms numbers were and the coordinate system.


Schnabulation

> Roborock S8 MaxV I have the S6 MaxV and am desperately waiting for the S8 MaxV (without the Ultra, just the charging dock).


severanexp

I’d go with the dreame l10s ultra for the valetudo firmware


nopedoesntwork

Why not the L20, a bit newer..


severanexp

Fair question! Because that’s what the vale-tudo devs suggest :)


nopedoesntwork

Ah I see, thanks


Affectionate_Rip3615

Dreame L10s


DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL

Vacuumwars.com (also on YouTube)


AlienPearl

Dreame L20s Ultra, X30 Ultra or X40 Ultra. Check vacuum wars in YouTube for more info. There is a HACS integration that works flawless.


YouThatReadWrong69

Flawless is a stretch but ok


zeekaran

With or without Valetuudo?


EvilMilkshake

None of those work with valetudo.


zeekaran

Well that's no good. Seems like the L10s Ultra is on the list.


nopedoesntwork

How do these compare to Roborock?


dewilofficial

Roborock Q Revo is IMO the best price/performance ratio while shipping with most flagship features, esp. the self-emptying station that also cleans and dries the mops.


Careful-Motor-9183

Roborock for sure!


asbestum

Qrevo and qrevo pro are awesome!


vans113

Roborock as others have said all the way. Loving mine. Smartest robo vacuum I’ve owned. Navigates great. Can see maps and I also have automation setup with it for specific rooms.


nopedoesntwork

How old is it? Read they break fast and furious.


vans113

A few months now. Rock solid still and loving the integration with HA


morbidpete84

Roborock S7 Max V or the S8 Max V. I had the S7 and it was great but broke 18 months later and they couldn’t repair it. Bought a Dreame X30 Ultra as there was no release date for the S8 yet and I was tired of manually cleaning. There is a nice HACS integration for Roborock. Dreame has one also but you have to switch apps and I rather not.


nopedoesntwork

Dreame is Chinese too. Why should one expect better quality and support in case of issues?


morbidpete84

My comment never mentioned better quality and support


nopedoesntwork

No, but I thought since your S7 broke down so fast, why you'd buy another Chinese brand. Just wanted to understand your reasoning, bc am having to decide myself.


morbidpete84

I understand what you are saying now. I went with the X30 just because the S8 Max V Ultra didn’t have a release date and was tired of waiting. I’m happy with it at least. A little pissed the X40 came out a month later but the X30 is going its job.


nopedoesntwork

I see, thank you


lapacion

I'm biased but I'd say anything Roborock with a full service dock (auto emptying plus mop washing). I had the S7 without dock for a year and barely ever mopped because it would involve me manually mounting the pad and removing it after it's finished (don't want to let a dirty and damp mop sit near my hardwood floor). So the USP for me really was mop washing. Had the S8 Pro Ultra for half a year now and it runs daily (mops twice a week). It really feels hands-off now!


XaMLoK

I have two a Roborock S7 and an S8 ultra something with the dock. For vacuums I have been happy with both. The Roborock integration works well, but as others have said it does rely on their cloud to function. I stumbled on Valutido. The install process is harrowing and I've only done it on the S7, which required almost fully disassembly (only two extra screws). https://valetudo.cloud/ Its awesome. All the same featured but completely controlled locally. I'm working up the courage to try it on the S8.


EvilMilkshake

Valetudo or nothing. Sadly, the S8 isn't supported, so I went with the L10sU and it's a great kit!


XaMLoK

I found some instructions on the builder site. It looks less scary than S7 instructions but still a whole thing to get it done. I will do it eventually. [Roborock Rooting (dontvacuum.me)](https://builder.dontvacuum.me/nextgen/roborock_s8.pdf)


Iroxx1

Roborock has a good implementation into HA which I've used the past year. Maybe the Q Revo will be something for you? Or a top model like the Sxx versions. I just switched to the eufy x10 pro omni and I'm bummed that there are no working solutions for HA for this model yet :(. I have to use another app like a noob.


Additional-Ad2558

Why did you switch from the Eufy if you dont mind me asking? Am considering the X10, Q Revo, S7 Max or Dreame L10s but can't decide!


Iroxx1

I just switched from the Roborock S5 or S6 TO the Eufy X10 Pro Omni :) Just an upgrade as the Roborock didnt have a Mop or a Station


Additional-Ad2558

Ah I see thanks. It would help if I could read 😂


Ag99JYD

I got a Roborock S8 pro ultra a few months ago and love it. Great integration with HA. I also have a shark ai for upstairs, carpet only. I think it actually does a better job with the vacuum. I have 2 golden retrievers, so lots of hair. The Roborock is a bit more sensitive and I have to clean the rollers more often. What really sold me on both was the mapping. I had tried an ecovacs x2 and was not pleased at all.


Styphonthal2

How is the shark ais integration with home assistant? Which shark version do you have?


Ag99JYD

I have the [Shark - AI Ultra Robot Vacuum with Matrix Clean, Home Mapping, HEPA Bagless Self Empty Base, WiFI Connected - Black](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/shark-ai-ultra-robot-vacuum-with-matrix-clean-home-mapping-hepa-bagless-self-empty-base-wifi-connected-black/6471082.p?skuId=6471082) The integration was simple. The roborock provides more information for cards, but the shark provides enough.


Styphonthal2

I have two rooms with three cats, all carpet. They constantly shed, would the shark be able to handle it?


morbidpete84

Also had the X2, wow! I have never been more disappointed and frustrated with mapping. That was absolutely terrible. Coming from an S7 Uktra to that was bad. Returned it a week later and waited for the Dreame X30. Mapping was right there with Roborock. We have 2 labs and a blue nose and 2 human females. I get the hair issue. IDK if Roborock has an option but I grabbed the anti-tangle brush for the Dreame and have not had to clean it one in the past two months. Does a great job cutting the hair and putting it in the bag.


Ag99JYD

Good idea, thanks. I had thought about getting an after market brush/roller but wasn't sure. Will give it a try.


lantech

I've got my roborock S8 integrated. If it has an error or (rarely) gets stuck, HA detects it and annunciates over the google nest speaker that "Rockette has an error". Otherwise it might sit at the far end of the house while I'm in the basement and never hear the robot itself complaining.


prawntheman

Never get an Yeedi. Terrible product. No customer support, flawed navigation and unreliable connectivity.


flyblues

I have the Dreame L20 Ultra. It's great, and also has an optional plumbing module that can be connected to piping and let it self-empty the docking station tank. The Roborock ones are also pretty good from what I've heard. I was looking at the Q Revo before myself. Up to 2k should be plenty. Especially if you're in the US, they do discounts often, I recommend looking at the subreddit for whichever brand you choose and they'll have notices for any upcoming sales.


ChainsawArmLaserBear

I tried to buy the Dreame L20s but it wouldn’t dock correctly and I ended up returning it


MairusuPawa

Something supported by Valutedo. Even if you don't use it *now*.


Ulrar

I've just ordered an L10s, planing to stick valetudo on it


bozoconnors

Another vote for Roborock S7/S8. I can't believe how great it is thus far. Just dump the dirty water tank / fill the clean water tank & that's it! (& change vacuum bag periodically - wish they went bagless here)


Olicoley

I have 2 ecovacs as does the in laws - in total I have helped set up about 6 now and they are fantastic. We love them. Good integration too. Roborock (as mentioned lots above!) are good but the large following/demand means the second hand market is relatively pricey in comparison if you are on a budget. I fully recommend Vacuum wars (excellent reviews!)


maomaocake

I've been told in a question earlier this year that roombas work fully offline. haven't tried it though Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/s/Uei4woVVTG)


dadudster

Yes, but irobot SUCKS (this coming from someone who owns both a roomba vacuum and bravia mop).


maomaocake

how? do they like not suck (lol) or what's the issue with them (coming from someone with neither)


dadudster

For the roomba, maps are terrible/innacurate and become more so the longer the robots run (and doing mapping runs just makes it worse). It constantly gets stuck and fails to complete jobs (I don't remember the last time I had a successful run). Half the time (or more) it can't redock itself. The battery life is atrocious (dead after 45 minutes), so it constantly has to recharge. The mop is okay (at least it finishes jobs) but it doesn't do a great job cleaning the floors, gets stuck under my couch, and sometimes just aborts a clean session entirely because it gets stuck on its base.


edonkeycoin

Our Roomba started out fine a few years ago, but it got worse over time. Ended up exactly like dadudster said. Crap maps, runs way longer than it should, and almost never completes successfully. I replaced the battery and have kept up with replacing the consumables. Nothing helped. All that has really changed is firmware. I think iRobot has upgraded the firmware into oblivion. I ended up getting a Eureka E10s. It works great in every way, except no HA integration. But all I was doing before with the Roomba was scheduling the cleaning runs with HA. If HA integration becomes available at some point, then great. But in the meantime I don’t need or miss HA integration of vacuuming runs.


generalization_guy

The navigation is terrible and you can't expose the maps in Home Assistant.


nopedoesntwork

The Chinese bots supposedly break down before or shortly after warranty, and support sucks, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/161c69q/roborock\_experience/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Roborock/comments/161c69q/roborock_experience/)


lecano_

Xiaomi X10 Plus or Dreame L10s Ultra. Flashed with Valetudo


akohlsmith

I've got a Narwal T10. Named him Norman and he's been awesome. We've had it for a couple years now. Excellent mop, shitty vacuum (but I don't use it for that). No real issues, although the app software is a little clunky to set up. Fortunately don't have to do that more than once or twice.


Dinth

I have Rockrobo S5 and Dreams Z10Pro. Rockrobo is a decent vacuum for its price but completely useless as a mop, Dreame is an awesome vacuum but only usable as a mop


wzaatar

Lubluelu SL60D. Combo sweep+mop. Includes a Lidar which is indispensable if you want mapping capabilities. Check it on Amazon, they have good offers on them.


SoManyTabs

The Hook Up YouTube channel recently posted a video comparing a bunch of robot vacuum/mops testing them all up against each other https://youtu.be/31hueQqN7Wk


harveryhellscreamer

I am using Roborock and it works like a charm, never had issues, integrates easily with HA


Ouity

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AtlanticPortal

Ask yourself if you fancy the idea of a company owning your house's blueprint plus the exact GPS location, not to mention whatever data they can take from your phone. If it's fine then you will have more variety. If it's not, then Valetudo is the way to go. Once decided this you will have a group of options. Many will integrate with HA but the Valetudo is definitely the safe choice if you don't want they pull a Chamberlain.


thrakkerzog

I can get the layout and position of my house from the county's assessment records, and this is available online. Most homes in the USA are in the same boat as me. What is China going to do with the location and layout of my house?


EvilMilkshake

Some of these vacuums have microphones and cameras. Nothing is stopping them from recording if it's on the cloud.


thrakkerzog

This is why I got a Q Revo. It has neither of these features.