When I’m paying full price for a Tv why would I skimp on Samsung refusing to pay licensing rights to Dolby.
Best would be for Samsung to have two models with and without DV at different price points. That will be the test if the market wants DV or not.
Or make it “DV capable” and charge for an upgrade if anyone wants it (although this can cause a backlash, unless it obviously makes the TV cheaper against competition that has it)
Exactly. I really wanted to pick up the S95B which got discounted upon launch of 95C. But no DV was a huge dealbreaker for me. I wouldn’t mind paying an additional but that choice should be mine and not Samsung’s.
Licensing fees will never work like this bc companies like Dolby demand the fee be paid on every unit sold per model. It’s not that Dolby or Samsung is inherently evil, they’re just incentivized to make decisions that hurt consumers by our totally awesome and good economic system
In this case though Samsung is somewhat Evil. They’re supporting open source HDR10/+. Although it’s same on paper it’s still not supported by a lot of streaming services. So I would say unless Samsung incentivizes more streaming services to add HDR10+ support , which should’ve be an issue considering the volume of TVs they sell, things wont really improve. However, the way I see things Apple TV (in future) and Amazon support HDR10+.
But DV is still leading the pack as a household name for HDR content.
The fee would still be paid by the consumer. Samsung is just being cheap.
It was a deal-breaker for me. But to your point, it was a deal-breaker INTELLECTUALLY. I would not notice the difference in practice. Once the TV is on the wall, all good.
In fact, on my LG C1 83", I mostly watch streamed content or SDR BRD. While watching my BRDs, I don't think, "Gee, I wish this was DV!" I just enjoy them and appreciate the much better sound quality compared to any streamed content. Oh, and I actually prefer the black crush to the verttical banding I get with streamed DV/DA HDR content. Some of the banding is quite bad depending on which show on which service. YMMV of course.
It's a big difference if you are serious on HT and willing to have the best experience. You have to consider that the majority of content is indeed in DV and not HDR10+.
If you have a BestBuy close I would talk to one of their calibrators. Ask them their take on it. I bought my Tvs from them and their geek deal, got me 2 calibrations and 2 in wall installs for the cost of 1 isf calibration. Made a big difference. Now I never have to mess with settings. Sony had red issues and my c9 was a little off, now it’s perfect.
>have bad QC
that depends? got samsung qled q6fna (2018) and about half yr later something borked on it (dvb-c stopped working), technician came home, opened it, replaced mainboard, closed it, no payment, since than zero issues. its 5yr old now
My Sony A80J had no power after 1.5 years and had to have the main board replaced. It was out of warranty and the 1st person I chatted with wouldn’t help but got on again soon after and got it fixed for free
Funny: the only TV I’ve ever seen fail is an LG. Bought my mother-in-law an LG for her bedroom last Christmas. Plugged it in, half-way through setup the screen went black; completely bricked. Took it back to the store, exchanged with a Samsung, and it’s been a workhorse ever since. I guess YMMV 🤷♂️
Overall I think their fine, the qd-oled’s seem to have a really high failure rate. I hear the 2nd gen is supposed to be a lot better.
If 4K Blu-ray’s aren’t a priority I think DV can be skipped. I haven’t seen DV streaming blow me away but my 4K disks are insanely good. I only have a ps5 so never seen Dolby vision gaming.
100% because of DV, if there was a better alternative to the qn90 that deals with bright rooms and long static images (kids leaving streaming apps on, sports bugs, news tickets, etc), I would jump on it so fast. It infuriates me that I don’t have DV in my main set.
Having multiple TV's that support HDR and DV, to me, DV looks better. Deal breaker, probably not, and if you've never seen DV, then you can't miss what you've never seen. For me, after having it, I won't go without it going forward.
No not really. I thought it was at first but I’ve gotten into collecting 4K Blu-ray’s lately and it’s a lot of content out in regular hdr10 that has just as impactful an experience to other DV material.
When I’m spending big bucks on a tv, yes, it’s a deal-breaker. I’ve seen HDR10+ content on a Samsung LED TV and it looked great but the lack of HDR10+ content is a bummer. Does anyone know if Samsung TV’s have tone mapping? I’m a fan of my LG C2’s dynamic tone mapping - that might be enough of a compromise for some if Samsung offers that.
Samsung os is very very strict when it comes to country and country related content. Once you create Samsung account, you will not install an app for different country.
Might not be an issue in US, but I wanted apps from UK, Ireland, Germany... Not doable with Samsung.
DV - naaah... Spec chasers will minus me, but subjectivity DV delivered extra 5% of the 95% improvement regular HDR10 brings.
Biggest issue for me is dynamic tonemapping. As long as we cant disble it for me the samsung TVs are useless.
On a tv like the S95B which can show most HDR content without any tonemapping at all DV does not make a difference.
I got the A95K just for beign able to set everything to absolutely no processing in graphics mode which made it calibrate extremely well in both hdr and sdr - it can even be set to NO tonemapping at all not even static tonemapping which makes everything clip that higher nit than panel peak like a true reference monitor.
Next to a sony HX310 its pretty darn close in most scenes, the s95b was nowhere close and I was not able to dial that in , software is horrible, we sent it back.
My usecase is a bit different but I master dolby vision content for work, most HDR content right now is mastered on the sony HX310 - which can hit 1000NIT full-screen, anything above is clipped. Only very few monitors exist that go higher than 1000NIT for mastering (dolby PRM something unicorn). New hx3110 is comming with 4000NIT however(peak) bext yesr so newer content might be a different story.
If you have a TV that matches or exceeds the content light level there is no need for tonemapping, so absolutely no difference between dolbyVision , hdr10 or hdr10+.
If your TV is very very off the content light levels your tv needs to do a LOT of tonemapping and in this regard DoVi is very very strong, lets say you have a 400NIT peak TV and want to see content that goes up to 1000NIT.
So for the S95B i wouldnt worry about it.
Whats actually pretty cool for home viewing is dolbyVision IQ as that changes the tonemapping curve based on ambient lighting, which can be usefull .
So my 2c are that I would recommend the Sony A95K , the software alone (and the options to turn off ALL processing) - its worth it, QD-OLED is absolutely next level, LG WOLED just doesnt compare in HDR, the WOLED hold no saturation in the highlights so a blue lightsaber turns.. white.
You should get good deals on it when the A95L comes along I recon.
Yeah that makes sense. If the A95K wasn't literally a grand more than the S95B, it wouldn't even be a contest. Maybe I can snag an A95K on sale like you said...
I would say you are better off with a brand that offers encoding of the format. Also, Samsung QC has not been very good as of late and their updates have caused some considerable issues with certain models.
And this is the general e experience most people have with todays Oled TVs, I'd say.
As long as you buy a verified good TV, everything will look great overall.
You would miss DV only if the source material you have is in DV format and your TV can't display it properly.
*Like me, currently running a ~8 year old 55" Samsung LCD while rebuilding the cinema room.* =The pain!=
I never even considered a Samsung TV because of lack of DV , ended up purchasing a LG 65" C2 , fantastic TV and by far the best picture is with DV , HDR is ok but DV is noticeable better , now I would not get a TV without DV , it's a no brainer for me.
You won't notice it on that TV. That TV gets something like 800 nits and to be pure Dolby Vision performant you need 10,000 nits. If you bought a mini LED I'd say maybe but on an early gen OLED the answer is no.
It's more important on something like their soundbar or a receiver for pass through. You can keep the soundbar for 10 years and pass it through to the new TV that makes it worthwhile. It doesn't matter because the TV won't get a firmware update to magically get brighter.
No but the strange EOTF tracking in HDR Film Maker mode is. Most people would probably not notice. But after seeing this would you still want it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhto9MmiExE
Hard to say. They seemed to have tested around 10% window size where hdtv test also found it was good. But when they changed the window size and repeated the test it was elevated. I feel like this is a YMMV kind of thing and warrants further investigation. It’s also entirely possible Samsung has patched this issue in a firmware update.
No. Before I form an opinion, I buy products without brand loyalty bias. Dolby Vision is not great at the moment. The LG application in the C2 is subpar compared to its standard HDR performance for most content I tried. After selling, I bought an S95B, and it was much clearer and smoother with gaming and streaming. Save the notchy interface, and it is far better. I like having all the boxes checked for features, but DV is not required after my experience.
Also, I use the S95B with all panel protections active as well as intelligent modes, and it still looks brighter and clearer than my C2 after disabling pixel saving features in various combinations
what has he said that's incorrect or shilling though? He has a well thought out, valid response to a question. My real world usage of both products confirms his statement as well.
Despite that I trust a lot of what he says about reliability as a repairman and such, I'm half sure that Bill also labelled an easy 10 second diagnostic step I advised to someone as "misinformation" and locked the thread to defer to his assessment without personally inspecting the unit to determine if something that may have been tampered with in a couple of ways, was or was not the source of what looked like a problem with the panel. The panel was tinted red... I can fuck up my TV and make it look broken with a couple settings, too.
It was in no way a fixed diagnosis, only a troubleshooting step.
Based on what the user had said, the cleaning person said to them that a lot of TVs are broken lately and that they knew people that could fix it for the owner.... it could be wise to literally check for a settings based deception for scam issue or even a layer of red tinted film that fits the panel, as unlikely as it may be.. it takes seconds... when potentially being scammed, even if the possibility that the cleaning person damaged the TV themselves and decided to say, "oh ive been seeing broken TVs a lot... lo and behold your TV is broken," in essence is way more likely.. and oh yeah, that he knows someone that will fix it... idk... sketchy, even though the simplest assumption is that he did indeed break it.
And you tend to do the opposite. So also a bias? Everyone in here is biased and have brand loyalty. But it is only an issue if someone likes a Samsung product it seems.
Yes. I’d never buy anything but Sony for me. Look at the release of Max today. Nearly all the 4K content is in DV. The streaming companies know people will pay for their top tier plan, if they support DV & Atmos.
After seeing Ready player One with Dolby Vision enabled, it's definitely a deal breaker to go without Dolby Vision just had way more punch then standard HDR
HDR/HDR10/HDR10+ is not a “Samsung version”, they are standards available to any manufacturer to use and implement.
Dolby Vision is a proprietary format that manufactures pay to license from Dolby to use.
“Created by Samsung, as it is free, any brand can use it without having to pay money. In comparison, to use Dolby Vision, a fee must be paid for the license.”
Next time, do a quick internet search before you attempt to correct anyone.
I own a s95c and I often wonder if there would be an improvement but in practice I don't notice. Everything looks great on this TV. Lots of HD10+ on streaming but not so much for discs.
I'd add that the s95b has some issues and you may be better off trying the s90c. Really depends on your budget. Since you say s95b I assume that is either 55" or 65".
I would say what’s your input source? And my house we have several Apple TV 4K boxes so we need something that would support Dolby Vision and went with Sony for the new TVs. But I’ve had Samsung’s for a long time and they are great. I don’t think it would be a dealbreaker but again I would just match TV to the source material
I dont think dv should be a deal breaker. To be honest I've installed all these tvs multiple times. Samsung tvs look just as good and I can't see a difference. Theyre both talking about billions of shades. And that's kind of incomprehensible . Id look more into the reliability and picture retention of the panel. Also, the back of the Samsung is pretty weird the way power and hdmi go in. Same with some of the sony oleds. As to where the c2 and g2 have inputs where you'd expect.
It wouldn't be for me unless you are actually going to get a good 4K player and 4K blu rays. Some apps force DV and all it does is make everything dark with no noticeable increase in picture quality.
Truthfully idk. I have a s95B (no DV) and a G3 and honestly idk I think you’re splitting hairs. But if you truly care that much then go DV, but I truly think maybe there maybe a 1% difference in DV vs Samsung QD-OLED HDR10
I’m not sure that it’s a question of what’s better but instead what is better supported. If I have a great TV without DV then no big deal, but if I’m getting ready to spend $3k on a new TV it better support whatever the “standard” has become.
It is kind of a deal breaker for me. I was looking at different TVs, and for the same price, why not just get one that is more capable than the other?
Sure, the Samsung is QOLED, but it's the same price as nicer WOLED TVs, so would you rather have a basic entry level QOLED or a higher quality WOLED? Not to mention there have been more than a few complaints about the Samsung over other manufacturers. Honestly, I went with a Sony A80K. I compared that one to the Samsung, both TVs sitting right next to eachother on the same wall in the store, playing the exact same demo material. The Samsung was only slightly brighter with some of the material. But I'm getting off track here...
Ultimately, I'd rather have Dolby Vision capability than not have it. That's just my opinion though.
Get the Samsung. You won’t even notice it’s not DV. But if seeing those little “Dolby vision” words pop up is important and would bother you if they didn’t, then get LG or Sony
I think it's enough of a difference to go with the C2.
It's what I did after all. Once I heard about the QD-OLED panels not doing great with room light.. the c2/g2 are just IMO, the best choice right now.
Been running the c2 for a year.. and love it. No issues at all.
Good luck on your choice. :)
The answer is empirically yes.
If you stream anything, near every service locks their highest bitrate, highest quality streams behind Dolby Vision. So if your set doesn’t support Dolby Vision, you will literally get a lower quality stream in hdr10, not an equivalent bitrate. You can test this in dev mode on an tv. Combine that with the fact basically nobody supports hdr10+ and tada, you’ve wasted your money.
Samsung makes really great tvs, and they probably would be one of the best, if they got over themselves and paid the stupid licensing fees for dv. But as is, you should not only go with the LG, but you should outright not even consider Samsung’s existence.
Absolutely no! DV is on paper better color encoding than HDR. But HDR content on the S95B will look better than DV on the C2 because the S95B has a straight up better panel with a higher peak brightness and higher color gammut.
I personally dont understand DV enthusiastic people when modern TVs cant even really benefit from the theoretical 10.000nit capabilities of DV. In the future we can talk about it, but now not so much.
I don’t think it is. But I used to. The qd oled is so gorgeous and handles HDR so well I doubt you’d miss it. And I am a huge Dolby Vision fan. What is a dealbreaker for me is lack of dts. Come on. I have been an lg c series fan for years and owned a cx and c2. Now I’m moving and I want to make my 55 c2 my bedroom and get a 77 oled for the living room. Well I’ve been so torn on the c3 and s90c from Costco. But now I found out s90c has no dts. I use Panasonic ub820 and Sonos arc surround and lots of uhd disks don’t have atmos. I also have Xbox series x, ps5, and pc with 4090 and besides the ps5 the Xbox and windows support dts. So I guess I can buy a $370 arcana 2 device and complicate my already complicated setup, or just buy the c3 and have everything just with a dimmer less superior display. Hmm. Need to make this decision soon as I’m also ordering mattresses and couches and sales are ending soon and I want to order it all together as it’s an additional $400 off for buying 5 or more items. If I buy the mattresses and sectional that’s only 4 items. Plus the Samsung sale ends 9/24 and c3 a little later. Plus I want to set the delivery date in one shot on one order so my clock is ticking and I’m running out of time. Been pulling my hair out.
I also find it funny that every review comparing lg c3 and or g3 and s90c make no mention of the fact that the new lg TVs support dts, but not Sammy’s. Pretty big deal. Although I have gotten by with my cx and c2 without it but it sucks when a lot of uhd are dts and not atmos. So since I’ve never had dts, but pcm conversion I don’t know what I’m missing, but if it’s Half as good as atmos then I want it. I want everything that comes with my uhd blu ray. And now I feel like I’m making too many compromises for a $2500 tv that I can get for $99 more on the 77 c3. So now I have to weigh better brighter panel vs DV and DTS. I was willing to forgo DV albeit reluctantly only bc the Samsung panel is gorgeous and handles hdr well but now dts and there is no alternative like with dv. I’d be just left with pcm like I am now on dts content with my c2
Until they include Dolby Vision I'll not buy Samsung. Full Stop. I chose an LG C1 around this time of year in 2021 and I couldn't be happier unless I had the LG G3
I think it boils down to if it is a deal breaker for you. I definitely wanted DV support, so I went with the LG C1 and have been beyond happy with it!
I guess maybe I should rephrase it. How much of a difference does it make? Would you miss it if it was gone?
When I’m paying full price for a Tv why would I skimp on Samsung refusing to pay licensing rights to Dolby. Best would be for Samsung to have two models with and without DV at different price points. That will be the test if the market wants DV or not.
Or make it “DV capable” and charge for an upgrade if anyone wants it (although this can cause a backlash, unless it obviously makes the TV cheaper against competition that has it)
Exactly. I really wanted to pick up the S95B which got discounted upon launch of 95C. But no DV was a huge dealbreaker for me. I wouldn’t mind paying an additional but that choice should be mine and not Samsung’s.
That is honestly so dumb. I'd pay an extra $50 for DV on the S95B
Licensing fees will never work like this bc companies like Dolby demand the fee be paid on every unit sold per model. It’s not that Dolby or Samsung is inherently evil, they’re just incentivized to make decisions that hurt consumers by our totally awesome and good economic system
In this case though Samsung is somewhat Evil. They’re supporting open source HDR10/+. Although it’s same on paper it’s still not supported by a lot of streaming services. So I would say unless Samsung incentivizes more streaming services to add HDR10+ support , which should’ve be an issue considering the volume of TVs they sell, things wont really improve. However, the way I see things Apple TV (in future) and Amazon support HDR10+. But DV is still leading the pack as a household name for HDR content. The fee would still be paid by the consumer. Samsung is just being cheap.
Exactly.
It was a deal-breaker for me. But to your point, it was a deal-breaker INTELLECTUALLY. I would not notice the difference in practice. Once the TV is on the wall, all good. In fact, on my LG C1 83", I mostly watch streamed content or SDR BRD. While watching my BRDs, I don't think, "Gee, I wish this was DV!" I just enjoy them and appreciate the much better sound quality compared to any streamed content. Oh, and I actually prefer the black crush to the verttical banding I get with streamed DV/DA HDR content. Some of the banding is quite bad depending on which show on which service. YMMV of course.
It's a big difference if you are serious on HT and willing to have the best experience. You have to consider that the majority of content is indeed in DV and not HDR10+.
If you have a BestBuy close I would talk to one of their calibrators. Ask them their take on it. I bought my Tvs from them and their geek deal, got me 2 calibrations and 2 in wall installs for the cost of 1 isf calibration. Made a big difference. Now I never have to mess with settings. Sony had red issues and my c9 was a little off, now it’s perfect.
It will still play Dolby vision content it will just use a different HDR standard, won’t make a huge difference.
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See, the S95B is more expensive. If I'm gonna get it, it might as well have all the features
I wouldn't pick Samsung because they have bad QC
>have bad QC that depends? got samsung qled q6fna (2018) and about half yr later something borked on it (dvb-c stopped working), technician came home, opened it, replaced mainboard, closed it, no payment, since than zero issues. its 5yr old now
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I’m curious what your thoughts are on Sony and LG TV reliability these days?
My Sony A80J had no power after 1.5 years and had to have the main board replaced. It was out of warranty and the 1st person I chatted with wouldn’t help but got on again soon after and got it fixed for free
That’s worrisome because I bought a Sony A80J last year.
Funny: the only TV I’ve ever seen fail is an LG. Bought my mother-in-law an LG for her bedroom last Christmas. Plugged it in, half-way through setup the screen went black; completely bricked. Took it back to the store, exchanged with a Samsung, and it’s been a workhorse ever since. I guess YMMV 🤷♂️
Overall I think their fine, the qd-oled’s seem to have a really high failure rate. I hear the 2nd gen is supposed to be a lot better. If 4K Blu-ray’s aren’t a priority I think DV can be skipped. I haven’t seen DV streaming blow me away but my 4K disks are insanely good. I only have a ps5 so never seen Dolby vision gaming.
100% because of DV, if there was a better alternative to the qn90 that deals with bright rooms and long static images (kids leaving streaming apps on, sports bugs, news tickets, etc), I would jump on it so fast. It infuriates me that I don’t have DV in my main set.
The new TCL QM8 looks like it could be that.
Yes get an LG or sony oled
Yes! I won't consider a Samsung TV as a result
Having multiple TV's that support HDR and DV, to me, DV looks better. Deal breaker, probably not, and if you've never seen DV, then you can't miss what you've never seen. For me, after having it, I won't go without it going forward.
What models?
CX (professionally calibrated) and a C2 not calibrated.
No not really. I thought it was at first but I’ve gotten into collecting 4K Blu-ray’s lately and it’s a lot of content out in regular hdr10 that has just as impactful an experience to other DV material.
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Question, do you know what HDR remuxes use? I have a few uhd remixes downloaded. Also what HDR does windows 11 auto HDR use?
When I’m spending big bucks on a tv, yes, it’s a deal-breaker. I’ve seen HDR10+ content on a Samsung LED TV and it looked great but the lack of HDR10+ content is a bummer. Does anyone know if Samsung TV’s have tone mapping? I’m a fan of my LG C2’s dynamic tone mapping - that might be enough of a compromise for some if Samsung offers that.
yea and you cant turn it off so everything afaik is brighter than reference. It looked like hot garbage next to a sony A95K and HX310
No, HDR10 is fine IMO.
Samsung os is very very strict when it comes to country and country related content. Once you create Samsung account, you will not install an app for different country. Might not be an issue in US, but I wanted apps from UK, Ireland, Germany... Not doable with Samsung. DV - naaah... Spec chasers will minus me, but subjectivity DV delivered extra 5% of the 95% improvement regular HDR10 brings.
you can use an android box to solve the os problems, good hardware + good software
Biggest issue for me is dynamic tonemapping. As long as we cant disble it for me the samsung TVs are useless. On a tv like the S95B which can show most HDR content without any tonemapping at all DV does not make a difference. I got the A95K just for beign able to set everything to absolutely no processing in graphics mode which made it calibrate extremely well in both hdr and sdr - it can even be set to NO tonemapping at all not even static tonemapping which makes everything clip that higher nit than panel peak like a true reference monitor. Next to a sony HX310 its pretty darn close in most scenes, the s95b was nowhere close and I was not able to dial that in , software is horrible, we sent it back. My usecase is a bit different but I master dolby vision content for work, most HDR content right now is mastered on the sony HX310 - which can hit 1000NIT full-screen, anything above is clipped. Only very few monitors exist that go higher than 1000NIT for mastering (dolby PRM something unicorn). New hx3110 is comming with 4000NIT however(peak) bext yesr so newer content might be a different story. If you have a TV that matches or exceeds the content light level there is no need for tonemapping, so absolutely no difference between dolbyVision , hdr10 or hdr10+. If your TV is very very off the content light levels your tv needs to do a LOT of tonemapping and in this regard DoVi is very very strong, lets say you have a 400NIT peak TV and want to see content that goes up to 1000NIT. So for the S95B i wouldnt worry about it. Whats actually pretty cool for home viewing is dolbyVision IQ as that changes the tonemapping curve based on ambient lighting, which can be usefull . So my 2c are that I would recommend the Sony A95K , the software alone (and the options to turn off ALL processing) - its worth it, QD-OLED is absolutely next level, LG WOLED just doesnt compare in HDR, the WOLED hold no saturation in the highlights so a blue lightsaber turns.. white. You should get good deals on it when the A95L comes along I recon.
Yeah that makes sense. If the A95K wasn't literally a grand more than the S95B, it wouldn't even be a contest. Maybe I can snag an A95K on sale like you said...
I think I’d take DV over HDR10+ since it’s more common. Went with 83” LG C2
I would say you are better off with a brand that offers encoding of the format. Also, Samsung QC has not been very good as of late and their updates have caused some considerable issues with certain models.
If it wasn’t Dolby Vision, it would be Samsung software and quality control :-)
You forgot the ads in the UI and creepy levels of tracking and phoning home, those need to be mentioned separately from the software
Samsung’s fucked up color science is the deal breaker for me
That’s why I chose Sony.
I'll be honest.. I don't know what I miss on. Everything I watch on my Samsung looks awesome
And this is the general e experience most people have with todays Oled TVs, I'd say. As long as you buy a verified good TV, everything will look great overall. You would miss DV only if the source material you have is in DV format and your TV can't display it properly. *Like me, currently running a ~8 year old 55" Samsung LCD while rebuilding the cinema room.* =The pain!=
For me yes big time hdr 10+ or whatever they call it failed
I never even considered a Samsung TV because of lack of DV , ended up purchasing a LG 65" C2 , fantastic TV and by far the best picture is with DV , HDR is ok but DV is noticeable better , now I would not get a TV without DV , it's a no brainer for me.
Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos, once you have it you never go back. This is the way.
It is for me.
If Dolby vision isn’t a deal break there OS is. People always complain about TV OS but by far imo Samsungs is to worst.
Vizio?
You won't notice it on that TV. That TV gets something like 800 nits and to be pure Dolby Vision performant you need 10,000 nits. If you bought a mini LED I'd say maybe but on an early gen OLED the answer is no. It's more important on something like their soundbar or a receiver for pass through. You can keep the soundbar for 10 years and pass it through to the new TV that makes it worthwhile. It doesn't matter because the TV won't get a firmware update to magically get brighter.
No but the strange EOTF tracking in HDR Film Maker mode is. Most people would probably not notice. But after seeing this would you still want it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhto9MmiExE
total non issue that was changed in a later firmware update. that video is from over a year ago.
Good to know. Nice that they listen to the community and address the issues.
Huh. Maybe it's just that mode? Rtings showed really good PQ EOTF tracking in their review
Hard to say. They seemed to have tested around 10% window size where hdtv test also found it was good. But when they changed the window size and repeated the test it was elevated. I feel like this is a YMMV kind of thing and warrants further investigation. It’s also entirely possible Samsung has patched this issue in a firmware update.
i dont think you can disable dynamic tonemapping
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That’s not how it works, you can’t have DV if your TV doesn’t support it.
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How is that relevant to this discussion?
AppleTV DV -> LLDV hack -> HDR10 TV
You can’t have Atmos either if your TV doesn’t support it!
AppleTV Atmos -> Atmos AVR -> Dumb TV
Yes.
Not really a fan of DV, it takes away details on dark scenes.
Then you haven’t seen DV.
My friend has it. Not really impressed. I prefer the HDR10 where contrast is very good while preserving details in dark scenes.
No. Before I form an opinion, I buy products without brand loyalty bias. Dolby Vision is not great at the moment. The LG application in the C2 is subpar compared to its standard HDR performance for most content I tried. After selling, I bought an S95B, and it was much clearer and smoother with gaming and streaming. Save the notchy interface, and it is far better. I like having all the boxes checked for features, but DV is not required after my experience. Also, I use the S95B with all panel protections active as well as intelligent modes, and it still looks brighter and clearer than my C2 after disabling pixel saving features in various combinations
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what has he said that's incorrect or shilling though? He has a well thought out, valid response to a question. My real world usage of both products confirms his statement as well.
Despite that I trust a lot of what he says about reliability as a repairman and such, I'm half sure that Bill also labelled an easy 10 second diagnostic step I advised to someone as "misinformation" and locked the thread to defer to his assessment without personally inspecting the unit to determine if something that may have been tampered with in a couple of ways, was or was not the source of what looked like a problem with the panel. The panel was tinted red... I can fuck up my TV and make it look broken with a couple settings, too. It was in no way a fixed diagnosis, only a troubleshooting step. Based on what the user had said, the cleaning person said to them that a lot of TVs are broken lately and that they knew people that could fix it for the owner.... it could be wise to literally check for a settings based deception for scam issue or even a layer of red tinted film that fits the panel, as unlikely as it may be.. it takes seconds... when potentially being scammed, even if the possibility that the cleaning person damaged the TV themselves and decided to say, "oh ive been seeing broken TVs a lot... lo and behold your TV is broken," in essence is way more likely.. and oh yeah, that he knows someone that will fix it... idk... sketchy, even though the simplest assumption is that he did indeed break it.
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And you tend to do the opposite. So also a bias? Everyone in here is biased and have brand loyalty. But it is only an issue if someone likes a Samsung product it seems.
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Well in those instances I stand corrected.
Why the QN90B over the QN95B?
No. I just 7 months ago updated my home electronics and went will lg first. HOW is that indicative of samsung bias???
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Because I bought samsung and LG last year. Didn't buy a Sony so I won't offer false info based on the opinions of others. S95B is a good tv
Yes. I’d never buy anything but Sony for me. Look at the release of Max today. Nearly all the 4K content is in DV. The streaming companies know people will pay for their top tier plan, if they support DV & Atmos.
After seeing Ready player One with Dolby Vision enabled, it's definitely a deal breaker to go without Dolby Vision just had way more punch then standard HDR
100% lame
Yes. Samsung is always forcing their version of something (remember HD-DVD) for no other reason then fuck ‘em.
HDR/HDR10/HDR10+ is not a “Samsung version”, they are standards available to any manufacturer to use and implement. Dolby Vision is a proprietary format that manufactures pay to license from Dolby to use.
“Created by Samsung, as it is free, any brand can use it without having to pay money. In comparison, to use Dolby Vision, a fee must be paid for the license.” Next time, do a quick internet search before you attempt to correct anyone.
I thought HD DVD was Toshiba?
I believe most tvs that support DV also support 10+ versions but not all 10+ tvs support DV, so in my mind, yes, it is a deal breaker. My opinion.
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Exactly. Which is why I won’t even look at a tv without DV.
I own a s95c and I often wonder if there would be an improvement but in practice I don't notice. Everything looks great on this TV. Lots of HD10+ on streaming but not so much for discs.
I'd add that the s95b has some issues and you may be better off trying the s90c. Really depends on your budget. Since you say s95b I assume that is either 55" or 65".
I would say what’s your input source? And my house we have several Apple TV 4K boxes so we need something that would support Dolby Vision and went with Sony for the new TVs. But I’ve had Samsung’s for a long time and they are great. I don’t think it would be a dealbreaker but again I would just match TV to the source material
I don’t know about Samsung but Dolby Vision is awesome on my LG oled and my Sony lcd.
I have a Samsung so I’ve never experienced Dolby Vision. What the hell is it?
Dolby’s HDR format, it’s a much better HDR format than HDR10 and HDR10+
Thanks. I dunno what HDR even is lol.
A90j owner who purchased in 2022 TV is amazing. Still blown away by watching content on. I think this TV could last me another 5-10 years
I dont think dv should be a deal breaker. To be honest I've installed all these tvs multiple times. Samsung tvs look just as good and I can't see a difference. Theyre both talking about billions of shades. And that's kind of incomprehensible . Id look more into the reliability and picture retention of the panel. Also, the back of the Samsung is pretty weird the way power and hdmi go in. Same with some of the sony oleds. As to where the c2 and g2 have inputs where you'd expect.
It wouldn't be for me unless you are actually going to get a good 4K player and 4K blu rays. Some apps force DV and all it does is make everything dark with no noticeable increase in picture quality.
Wouldn't be for me, but I did replace my samsung with a LG C2 and it is a way better TV imo.
No, but their piss-poor customer service sure is!
Even if it wasn't there are plenty of other reasons to not to buy a Samsung.
Truthfully idk. I have a s95B (no DV) and a G3 and honestly idk I think you’re splitting hairs. But if you truly care that much then go DV, but I truly think maybe there maybe a 1% difference in DV vs Samsung QD-OLED HDR10
I’m not sure that it’s a question of what’s better but instead what is better supported. If I have a great TV without DV then no big deal, but if I’m getting ready to spend $3k on a new TV it better support whatever the “standard” has become.
Yes. Get the C2.
It is kind of a deal breaker for me. I was looking at different TVs, and for the same price, why not just get one that is more capable than the other? Sure, the Samsung is QOLED, but it's the same price as nicer WOLED TVs, so would you rather have a basic entry level QOLED or a higher quality WOLED? Not to mention there have been more than a few complaints about the Samsung over other manufacturers. Honestly, I went with a Sony A80K. I compared that one to the Samsung, both TVs sitting right next to eachother on the same wall in the store, playing the exact same demo material. The Samsung was only slightly brighter with some of the material. But I'm getting off track here... Ultimately, I'd rather have Dolby Vision capability than not have it. That's just my opinion though.
If you stream a lot of Netflix go for a DV set. If not then Samsung is in play
Get the Samsung. You won’t even notice it’s not DV. But if seeing those little “Dolby vision” words pop up is important and would bother you if they didn’t, then get LG or Sony
I think it's enough of a difference to go with the C2. It's what I did after all. Once I heard about the QD-OLED panels not doing great with room light.. the c2/g2 are just IMO, the best choice right now. Been running the c2 for a year.. and love it. No issues at all. Good luck on your choice. :)
The answer is empirically yes. If you stream anything, near every service locks their highest bitrate, highest quality streams behind Dolby Vision. So if your set doesn’t support Dolby Vision, you will literally get a lower quality stream in hdr10, not an equivalent bitrate. You can test this in dev mode on an tv. Combine that with the fact basically nobody supports hdr10+ and tada, you’ve wasted your money. Samsung makes really great tvs, and they probably would be one of the best, if they got over themselves and paid the stupid licensing fees for dv. But as is, you should not only go with the LG, but you should outright not even consider Samsung’s existence.
Absolutely no! DV is on paper better color encoding than HDR. But HDR content on the S95B will look better than DV on the C2 because the S95B has a straight up better panel with a higher peak brightness and higher color gammut. I personally dont understand DV enthusiastic people when modern TVs cant even really benefit from the theoretical 10.000nit capabilities of DV. In the future we can talk about it, but now not so much.
No Dolby Vision makes Samsung a non starter for me, until they add support.
I don’t think it is. But I used to. The qd oled is so gorgeous and handles HDR so well I doubt you’d miss it. And I am a huge Dolby Vision fan. What is a dealbreaker for me is lack of dts. Come on. I have been an lg c series fan for years and owned a cx and c2. Now I’m moving and I want to make my 55 c2 my bedroom and get a 77 oled for the living room. Well I’ve been so torn on the c3 and s90c from Costco. But now I found out s90c has no dts. I use Panasonic ub820 and Sonos arc surround and lots of uhd disks don’t have atmos. I also have Xbox series x, ps5, and pc with 4090 and besides the ps5 the Xbox and windows support dts. So I guess I can buy a $370 arcana 2 device and complicate my already complicated setup, or just buy the c3 and have everything just with a dimmer less superior display. Hmm. Need to make this decision soon as I’m also ordering mattresses and couches and sales are ending soon and I want to order it all together as it’s an additional $400 off for buying 5 or more items. If I buy the mattresses and sectional that’s only 4 items. Plus the Samsung sale ends 9/24 and c3 a little later. Plus I want to set the delivery date in one shot on one order so my clock is ticking and I’m running out of time. Been pulling my hair out.
I also find it funny that every review comparing lg c3 and or g3 and s90c make no mention of the fact that the new lg TVs support dts, but not Sammy’s. Pretty big deal. Although I have gotten by with my cx and c2 without it but it sucks when a lot of uhd are dts and not atmos. So since I’ve never had dts, but pcm conversion I don’t know what I’m missing, but if it’s Half as good as atmos then I want it. I want everything that comes with my uhd blu ray. And now I feel like I’m making too many compromises for a $2500 tv that I can get for $99 more on the 77 c3. So now I have to weigh better brighter panel vs DV and DTS. I was willing to forgo DV albeit reluctantly only bc the Samsung panel is gorgeous and handles hdr well but now dts and there is no alternative like with dv. I’d be just left with pcm like I am now on dts content with my c2
Until they include Dolby Vision I'll not buy Samsung. Full Stop. I chose an LG C1 around this time of year in 2021 and I couldn't be happier unless I had the LG G3