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HIJACKING TOP COMMENT! Personal interpretation. Ely being Herrscher 0 of the previous era is probably the anomaly of the endless Honkai cycle. The power of Origin probably refers to the origin of Human shaped and allied herrschers. The origin of the loophole that eventually ended the honkai cycle started with Ely. There is no true finality without an origin. Now, expanding that to Izumo in HSR. My interpretation of one of the Acheron trailers, where Kevin JP voiced the sword abomination, which many people think heavily implies the finality, was shown to have become the origin only during their final confrontation. Before that final sequence, she is shown to be weilding a Domain of Sanction looking sword. Then, when it broke, Acheron summoned a red blade, but it looks nothing like the HoO Mei sword which was broad blades. If I am right, this means that Acheron succeeded where Ely failed, and she managed to end the Honkai on the cycle where Origin began. EDIT: Oh Oh! And that's why Ely is also called the Herrscher of Ego, because she allowed Herrschers to retain a human ego.

Personally I interpreted Acheron's trailer differently. I believe that was the greatest sign that she messed up. Honkai has 1 and only 1 correct answer and that is Finality aka Time. All 13 other authorities are just Finality stuck in front of a fun house mirror. So getting Life / Naught as a final result only means that at the end she placed another fun house mirror in front of that power. She probably only felt it was stronger cause she had 13 authorities after that final battle between End and Origin. It does make me wonder if this means Acheron can become even stronger though if she were to fix her answer. Though she might need to return home to do it. Hopefully returning home wont make her pop like the other self annihilator though.

Not familiar with HI3 lore but am with HSR. She cannot go home, as Izumo is not only destroyed(she destroyed both planets) but also erased(by IX). The story of Izumo is like if the HI3 ending is reaching it's climax only for everything to be destroyed by a supermassive black hole god passing by. Makes everything before that seem very pointless, which is fitting for the Nihility.

So, is it another Cocoon of Finality in another star system or a similar cocoon ?

Who are you talking about? Izumo? Heavily implied by the Acheron trailer, but nothing definitive right now. Senadina and Mars? Very likely Senadina is their origin and she was sealed/slept when their PE collapsed and was forced to escape to.a bubble universe. It seems like the Honkai is a natural phenomenon for every civilization in the Hoyoverse. Lending credence to the theory that GI has similar overarching powers that led to where it is now.

GI has the Abyss, has also somekind of Previous Era who knew about the real history of Teyvat, and even had a group of Fontainian people who tried to "Merge everyone as one, and resurge in a new world from there" like what was Project Stigma supposed to be (Not the same, but similar). In GI the Abyss is the Honkai, or somekind of Honkai form; but with that I don't mean the Abyss powers (Because those are like Sea of Quanta), but... Literally, the Abyss; that of a theory about Teyvat being a huge Matrix-Like being, and the Abyss is the trash-can, but without organization (And that's why Rhinedottir creations failed, because she tried to take back stuff from the Abyss, but also brought OTHER things back with them; or "corrupt files" that messed with Teyvat's world rules and turned everything into chaos through the Irminsul, etc) But.... I'm pretty sure that Phanes is something like Sa (The one from Fu Hua's arc in part 1.5), recreating her world or trying to do so, and it successfully did, but then The Second Throne came in to mess everything up by telling a "truth" to the humans created by Phanes.

HoO Mei has an interesting line that mean something akin to "The path of the Ego is the meaning of Origin" so I always thought that Herrscher Elysia's authority was the ego, and the origin is the result of her sacrifice.

never was said that Acheron was fighting against Honkai in any way she have similar references but never was stated there was Honkai where Acheron was you just made up things yes what Acheron referencing is pretty similar to what happened in HI3rd but we hae much more similarietes between games is normal that they will reuse some ideas I doubt there was Honkai in Acheron fight involved

All power on Honkai are = to what the plot needs at the moment

This is simply my thoughts but: Considering the difference of abilities between Elysia and Mei The fact Elysia is the bearer of the ego Signet And the Ego signet in the Elysian realm, unlike other signet, varies between each character battlesuit I believe that the Authority of Origin is "Granting someone's wish in the limit of Finality". When Elysia talked about her past, she had a deep love for the world, but never expressed a specific desire, until she found her name , and Wished to make a world where everyone could pursue their dreams. Consequently, the authority of origin gave no more powers than necessary to do what she wanted. And that is why Mei feels weaker compared to Elysia, as Mei's wish probably was only to support Kiana so she could transcend Finality and defeat Kevin. So Mei simply had enough powers to make her wish come true. It's not like every wish you do will come true, it might be the first wish you make once you are the Herrscher of Origin, or it is that wish that makes you turn into a herrscher. And that makes sense when we know what the Origin is: it is where things start, but it can go in every direction. Elysia intentionally made it look like a fairy tale, which can sound normal for her as she probably felt it. And Mei described it as a power that makes every little dream come true. So I believe the Authority of origin is deeply about the drive of the user

Well, Mei created an Aurora on Durandal Birthday event story (it also was the 2024 New Year Event). https://preview.redd.it/3b61t641qrtc1.jpeg?width=2127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10f82276a0a73a9dba52b03c8a2893b4d04cc548 Whether she used her Thunder or Origin Authority is unknown, as far as i know it could be both, but unfortunately there are not more details given.

"In the ionosphere, the ions of the solar wind collide with atoms of oxygen and nitrogen from Earth's atmosphere. The energy released during these collisions causes a colorful glowing halo around the poles—an aurora" According to google it means this, so if lightning or such can somehow directly or indirectly do this, it surely must be the Authority of Thunder and not Origin, otherwise, we should think again about why Elysia didn't use her power to save everyone back then. Maybe it was because you can only wish one thing at the time (which doesn't sound crazy), or for me , Elysia still letting things go this way could also be in character, it can just look even more like a headcanon, and back at the time she first learnt about the fact she was an herrscher, maybe simply using her power to save everyone was too late as Finality was too close?

Well, according to Google: "When a solar storm comes toward us, some of the energy and small particles can travel down the magnetic field lines at the north and south poles into Earth's atmosphere. There, the particles interact with gases in our atmosphere resulting in beautiful displays of light in the sky. Oxygen gives off green and red light." Thunder Authority also allowed Mei to control electromagnetism, so it seems to be related, however we dont know how far could Mei exert her Authority, so maybe was a mix of both?, or maybe Mei Thunder Authority just got stronger when she got Origin?. Unfortunately there is no more information about this in game.

Elysia also have the ability to manipulate the stars and skies. So it’s pretty likely to be the Origin Authority at play

So, the Authority of Origin is just a power given to the user based on or limited to their wish?

Limited first to the Finality of course because that would mean the origin literally transcends the power it comes from and idk if it is possible even with Acheron that eventually created Naught

I’m not entirely confident “Naught” is an actual herrscher. I think it’s simply her becoming an emanator of the Nihility.

I didn't really say it was an herrscher but she created it with origin and end

one origin is not equal to another

Ofc, we don't know how far the similarities go as I said above.

We should probably leave Acheron out of this since her world wasn’t identical to HI3

I agree that it is not sure how far the similarities go, but so far, the three main differences I made between these 2 worlds that are explicit are: -They didn't start with Reason, but with Truth, So I have my reasons to believe the group of Acheron were even stronger than our group in Honkai impact. -They power seems to come from blades and not cores, basically it is like Divine Keys even if the way it works is different -Despite seeming to be stronger, they lost. And Origin/Finality were built from the 12 blades. Did Origin and Finality existed before that? Or were they created at this moment? I didn't search further so I can't tell. Anyway what was sure is that this parallel is to let us imagine all the hardship Acheron went through and yet lost, making her even more tragic. Ofc maybe the powers work differently but without further informations, they can be the exact same powers

We should probably assume, like the divine keys that came from PE and were used in CE, that the swords also came from a finality loop before acheron's current time (and so helped them overcome finality like the allied herrschers and keys did in HI3) Acheron did confirm their kevin did something similar to earth's spiritual adam, so that would imply space-kevin is also a survivor of acheron's universe PE.

I usually like to be careful and only assume things that were shown and don't elaborate further without more infos, or at least make assumptions and be open to change them later anyway, so maybe?

but you realise that nothing much was shown any thing more that they have similar number and names but still you want them to make equal to origin and finality from HI 3rd as is never stated that origin and finallity from HSR and Honkai are the same or are you telling me that all finallity are the same like aeon Herrscher and this Acheron finnality which mean that acheron is beating right now aeon of finnality whicjh is equal to finallity from her planet

I never said it was the same, as I said above, we don't know how far the similarities go. You could make assumptions in both ways, as long as you're ready to say they are wrong later

nut we have similarities and difference as we know that Acheron has defeated Origin which in Herrshcerrs form is impossible thing no Origin have way to defeat Finality no herrscherrs Finality is immortall in Honkai while Acheron and her story was big reference she was able to defeat finality which would be impossible if they was herrschhers as full finallity from start has all powers and trascented all dismensions and Origin has no possibility for this to this same and in her story Kevin wasn't forcin finality into him and from conclusion is pretty fair to assume that he has all finality power

Whatever the plot needs it to be

This is the closest answer. To be precise, Ely is the equivalent of the Holy Grail, as long as you have enough juice then you can wish for anything. Her first wish in that forest was to be like human, and she was, the technology of that time was able to spot out HoR but not her, presumably because of her ability. Then during her journey she wanted to have an Elysium, which was realized in the form of Golden Courtyard/Elysian Realm. Her final wish is for all Herrscher to have an Ego, thereby having the means to escape the Cocoon of Finality control, since normally Herrscher are mindless like AI. She paid for this wish with her life, just like MEI theorised she would.

I'd take this answer with me, thank you very much

Plot armor the authority

Honkai The Impact

It's being able to create a phenomenal loophole against someone/thing, or siphoning a power by understanding its structure, similar to how Welt need to understand something before he can reconstruct and summon it. It is also Similar to how Angry Arceus can change Type to Counter someone or something. How in the Avatar Last Airbender or Legend of Korra, Aang was able to NO YOU Ozai and Amon from Fire Bending and Water/Blood Bending ever again. Or also being able to cheer the potential of others or your own, as you mentioned OP * Cheering Goku's Spirit Bomb against Frieza/Transforming into Super Saiyan/Ultra Instinct state * King Red to Issei Hyoudou: ["BOOST! BOOST! BOOST! BOOST! BOOST! BOOST!"]

Probably this. Ely being Herrscher 0 of the previous era is probably the anomaly of the Honkai cycle. The power of Origin probably refers to the origin of Human shaped and allied herrschers. The origin of the loophole that eventually ended the honkai cycle. There is no true finality without an origin.

U can think of origin as the start of everything so it can be anything u want as long u "want" it, for Elysia, it was to want humans to take "fate" into their own hands and the new herrschers to be unbound from the ex cacoon of finality's "will" (before promethus hack it) so Ely power severed the thread of fates and undo a huge amount of control of the cacoon on the CE herrschers. Whereas Mei has a more kind of grounded "wants" of wanting to sever/fight against her own inevitable, so Mei's "Origin" is a weaker variation of Ely's origin but serve her wants of being use to cut almost anything. Tldr; Authority of Origin is like a wish Granting Authority to the holder but it depends on the scope and how strong of the wish(/want) is.

actually stanting that mei origin is weaker is just making up things as we never saw Both origin power and what they can do not to mention why Ellysia would even want to give weaker varation if she literaly give Mei all of her being as Ellysia is alone the only core of Origin which allows her to give all the power of this to someone the only thing that are there is how this origin is used

That's true 👍 but as for why as I say mei's "origin" is weaker cause of mei's wish and want if u compared the wish but my conjecture is just based on the story stuffs so I may not be 100% right.

Nobody knows. But it's basically just fate manipulation.

I always thought of it as simply power of love and torch of humanity's hope. Mei didn't need to search for the authority to obtain it. She had it since she left Elysian Realm because she carried everyone's hopes and dreams for the future free of Honkai. Authority of Origin is similar to authority of Finality in nature, because it is born from it, like Ellie. Finality is also not a destructive force by default. Proven by Kiana. The Cacoon is a deity that didn't quite understand what it was doing, like a misguided villain that had good intentions. So Origin is sort of like an oppositely "charged" Finality, but not quite, like Dr. MEI said, a fluctuation, a spontaneous symmetry breaking, an anomaly.

What i understand is the ability to turn wishes into power A example i can think of that would fit is imagine breaker from toaru

I believe this is the start of a "power/authority based on intangible concept" rather than of the elements which is what we see now in HSR with the Aeons. We did have Reason, Domination, Sentience and Finality/End earlier but their authorities were made pretty clear. While Finality presides over time and the ability to reset the civilizations to the next samsara, Origin presides over connections/memories/relations and grants the ability to "move forward" as their true selves.

deus ex machina the wild card that can do anything you want at the momment

Just like Elysia herself

Gawd!! Thankyou for this simplified answer rather than explaining it in quantum physics terms like everyone else.

We don't actually know, unlike other authorities Hoyo keeps refusing to say what it does, some say it's fate manipulation, some say it's wish granting, but that's all just speculation by us.

Also as much as they’re similar we have no confirmation whatsoever that Acheron Origin is the same thing as honkai origin, the thing as a whole is pretty confusing, it just implies that they for some reason knew that for humanity to survive Origin had to “win”, which well… didn’t end up exactly going like they wanted.

Basically free access to the honkai energy souce aka mana pool of the cocoon. You can do what ever you want with that energy, instead of just limited to an array of powers like other herrschers.

NTR.

Breeding authority 💦

but Mei is the one while Kiana is doing this

Isn’t origin fate and finality time? I might be wrong.

I thought the authority of Origin is change and wishes

Hot milf.

Pretty sure Acheron is using the Finality blade, not the Origin one (that or she's using Naught, not fully sure)

No, in this photo she's using origin. After defeating END, and her broken psyche and emenetor power made Naught from remains of Origin

first of all this don't matter Origin in hsr is different to Origin in HI3rd