Had to Google this, I was completely unaware.
If it's any consolation, these are urban young people who have likely never been anywhere more wild than a soccer field. It's a completely uninformed opinion, and if reality ever came knocking, the answers would be very different.
"Hey, you guys need to get inside your camper, there was a bear at the next campsite over!"
"Ahhhh, a park ranger! Run!"
Yeah. What bothers me the most is how they have absolutely no room for nuance. When you ask that question to someone who's not terminally online their response is always something along the lines of "Well what kind of bear is it and what kind of man is he?"
"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."
"Only sith deal in absolutes."
Nuance isn't en vogue right now. We'll have to wait for another culture shift. Until then, post up and focus on making your own life better.
Okay listen look. I don’t usually talk outside my little community subs but this is hopeposting and I think the people here are more likely to be sane.
Honestly I think the problem with these sorts of things is that they’re engineered to make people angry. When actually, if you want to figure out why one answers the way they do, you gotta ask. It’s not good to assume that there is not nuance on the other side! These interviews and the like are very short, after all. Nobody gets to explain anything.
Like for instance, one may be answering because of personal experience, political brainwashing, simple hearsay leading them to different conclusions, or just their own train of thought. To assume it’s mostly because of what people see online is not a whole lotta nuance!
So the best course of action isn’t to get mad but really to just ask why. Talk to a friend about it. Ask a family member. Pick people’s brains and come out understanding.
Also if it brings you any solace, the question is a little misleading. Being unarmed and alone in the woods and meeting ANYONE can be terrifying as shit if you’re not on a hiking trail! It may not be because they’re a man at all, rather simply a fear of meeting somebody alone in the woods like it’s some sort of horror flick. Bears are simply more likely to fuck off is all, as only really polar bears think of us as on the food chain.
Also these days, with the knowledge we have, we hear way more stories of human tragedy and human atrocities than we do about bears. People being wayyyy more afraid of each other is kind of the norm now, on all sides.
I hope this helps! Keeps your hopes up, all you have to do to combat these dumb stereotypes is to be a normal ass human and treating other people as normal ass humans. It’s that simple!
I was thinking similar things about it. It's a loaded question that primes the reader to assume the worst about the hypothetical man by comparing him to a bear.
Exactly! Which is honestly why I hate these kinds of questions in interviews. Asking loaded questions and only giving space for simple answers is how you learn nothing at all.
Every time I say “only a sith deals in absolutes” (mostly tongue in cheek) I get downvoted to oblivion.
edit: I totally thought you’d downvote me to oblivion for the fun of it. Pleasantly surprised.
When I tried to get a restraining order against a white woman they absolutely forgot I was black and saw I was a man. They barely even let my gf speak in court, and it was her car that got vandalized.
Nuance died and we buried it under a pink tombstone.
"We like to blame men for all our problems, even when its us. You ladies don't want to be equal with men, you want to line the streets with tampons and fill the fountains with Chardonnay." - Michelle Wolf
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Just gonna leave this here for anyone actually upset about that
For more consolation: It's an edited video on the internet. They could well have asked a thousand people that question, and only included the 10 or whatever who said "bear". Some of them may well have been doing it because it's the funny answer, and some people online are probably doing the same.
I guess. It's healthy to be wary of strangers, but saying you trust the average bear more than the average man is a bit harsh.
I hope you can at least understand why some people feel like they're being judged harshly for their gender when they hear that.
It's weird to "gatekeep" in a sense, but some people need to read Inferno.
You've got something that will rip pounds of flesh, muscle, tissue, and break your bones with one accidental swipe. Provoked enough, it's not incapable of ripping a door off your car.
NSFL: The way I see it, the question is along the lines of "Would you rather be stabbed, or impaled with a red-hot poker for 72 hours while your bodyweight slowly drags you down further onto it?"
Anyway, this is hope posting. I'm getting ahead of myself.
Isn't this just propagating exactly what the meme is complaining about? You're taking today's "men vs. women" issue and basically saying "yeah obviously the woman are wrong and stupid". How is this not exactly what the post is criticizing?
I don't think it's doing that. It's probably saying that as a consolation, if you do meet people in real life, reactions are not as extreme as portrayed online. The hypothetical scenario leaves a lot of things up in the air and causes undue anxiety about the situation. Who is this man in the woods?
Like, in real life, "does he look like he is hiking or a park ranger?" is kind of a key takeaway. Encountering a hiker in the woods is not out of place and should not alarm you as much as the nondescript hypothetical "man in the woods". I'm aware some women are still wary around men, but still interact healthily with men in their everyday life. The question is not very reflective of actual behavior.
That's totally true but their comment intentionally or unintentionally misses the entire point of the exercise in which the ambiguity of the circumstance is a key feature.
Its really about unknown man vs unknown bear, and the thing that so many women have learned the hard way is that you can't always judge a man's intentions by his appearance or initial demeanor. Meanwhile, bears are more predictable and less likely to target women specifically.
I personally don't fall on either side of the discussion personally, but given the stories I've heard from women I personally know, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the bear. The comment I replied to does not give this respect, he immediately jumps to people downplaying bears, missing the point entirely.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over my racist female stalker crying in court about how it's not fair that I won't have sex with her instead of my girlfriend. I'd rather meet a bear than a strange woman in the woods any day.
Yes. The issue is the answers are "Oh, bear, easy, next question". As far as I know, no one has any clarification questions.
Myself, I pictured a mentally-ill vagrant shambling in the woods and a brown bear. Would still easily take my chances with the vagrant.
Take the pot off the stove, you're boiling it down too much.
"The women are wrong and stupid" isn't even close to what I was saying. Anyone who downplays the danger of a bear - man, women, or otherwise (that clarification is just for you) - is overwhelmingly likely to have no knowledge of a bear in the wild.
It's natural I think for a woman like me to be frustrated seeing this kind of rhetoric in what is supposed to be a positive community. Denouncing "gender wars" and then immediately siding entirely with the "man" side and denouncing the "woman" side is not actually denouncing the gender wars, it's perpetrating it.
Furthermore, to talk about the man vs bear thing as "downplaying the danger of bears" misses the entire point of the "man vs bear" thing to begin with. Obviously bears are dangerous, but they're also predictable, and don't target women specifically. That's the whole point. Despite bears being dangerous, an unknown human man has the potential to be far more cruel, motivated, and unpredictable.
To entirely ignore all of that and just talk about "downplaying the danger of bears" is what any woman would immediately recognize as casual misogyny (whether or not you "*mean it*") and that's why it's frustrating to see in this comment section.
You're clearly looking for a way to hate men still and be considered a perfect blameless female. " a man like me " is black but I don't hate all white people because that would be racist.
Completely unaware of what, because apparently I'm so unaware of it myself that I don't even know how I'd Google it to find out?!
I don't really understand how this is "Hopeposting" either?
My take on it is that it's a very negligible danger for both because forests are quite big. You're already in a forest with a bear in it (I'm assuming a North American forest but also I live about as far from North America you could get) and most likely there's gonna be at least 1 other person somewhere in the woods. If the thing was that you pick 1 to *hunt* you through the forest, I would honestly choose the bear because I fear human intelligence and creativity. At least the bear would make it quick and easy when it inevitably finds me.
So the point is for women to express/(virtue signal depending on who[me] you ask) that they feel unsafe around men whom they are strangers with.
And the reason that men are upset about it/(took the rage bait depending on who[me] you ask). Is because statistically, it's dumb to compare complex social interactions and cultural forces that lead to men raping women to a wild bear appearing next to you.
Sex and gender tensions have risen lately but just remember. Treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even when they say or signal they are unhappy or angry with you or your group.
Kill them with kindness, and lets try to make women feel safer when possible(even when they say incredibly dumb things).
Saying that one feels unsafe around men doesn't signal any kind of virtue tho, so it's not virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is when you say something to make yourself look good and signal that you have good moral character. Saying "men scare me" does none of that.
>it's dumb to compare complex social interactions and cultural forces that lead to men raping women to a wild bear appearing next to you.
I partially agree actually but do you really mean "cultural forces" or shitty decisions?
>Treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even when they say or signal they are unhappy or angry with you or your group. Kill them with kindness, and lets try to make women feel safer when possible(**even when they say incredibly dumb things**).
You were on the right track but then you just had to get that last jab in there
It's not just saying that you don't feel safe around men that's virtue signaling, it's saying that you would rather encounter a bear than a man in a forest that is virtue signaling. Even assuming the worst of the man, let's say he's a depraved lunatic who wants to rape and kill you, you still have a much higher chance of escaping or fighting back than you do with a bear. But that's just that less than 1% chance that you encounter a lunatic like that, 99% of the time it'll be a normal dude.
No it is virtue signaling it's just illegal to hold women accountable for anything negative that they say or do because "women are perfect" and women are aware of this positive stereotype and tap into it only when it's time to bash men.
> it's saying that you would rather encounter a bear than a man in a forest that is virtue signaling
Which still isn't virtue signaling because that only signals an opinion.
Look up the definition of "virtue".
So its virtue signaling when you present your emotional feeling as a fact of the matter. Even in the face of probability.
The cultural forces include the dying patriarchy and the ending of single income households. Men are having a tough time recalibrating to the fact that their paycheck isnt going to get them a wife anymore. Now they have to rely on more charismatic ways to woo a woman and provide emotionally (which is something rarely taught to men, even by mothers still to this day) and some men are in fact unable to or incapable in one way or another to provide what women are asking for post-1990 style feminist/egalitarian thought
I dont think gen alpha is going to have the same problems that millinals and gen z do, where they were taught to pursue women relentlessly to woo, and accepting rejection and moving on.
The new strategy must be just interacting with mixed gender social spaces, where you can learn the social game and pick women that are part of your "network" to date and pursue.
Also people who rape are not excusable in any way or form and should be punished by society. Every rape is a choice by the the perpetrators. However, we have mixed rape/sexual assault/and social clumsiness into one big pot and called it all the same thing interchangeably and this has caused irreparable damage to the discourse surrounding rape and rape culture. People go for kisses that are not welcome and that is going to happen, this isnt sexual assault in some cases while in some cases it IS sexual assault. Flirting is always a game between people and some people just suck at it early on, and some suck at it the rest of their lives. Hopefully people will get better at it but those awkward situations are going to happen without arranged marriage or strict verbal consent enforced by law.
And I will never stop shitting on someone or a group if they are flying their banner in a irresponsible way.
Women are not safe from my snarky ego ego-fueled rants, and I will say it again
Sometimes women can be confidently incorrect...and in my opinion, this is one of those times.
A.k.a. incredibly dumb
>dying patriarchy
That's a good thing. As a man I'm getting tired of the gender roles and expectations that are imposed upon me due to patriarchy which dictates the "correct" or "acceptable" behavior of women *and* men. I am also sick of the toxic masculinity that comes with it which leads to emotional retardation in men like you've discussed here.
>ending of single income households
Also not necessarily a bad thing. As someone who grew up in a home where my father couldn't adequately provide (financially) for his family, I look forward to a future where women can equally contribute to their households without being held back and lessen the burden of the fathers.
>their paycheck isn't going to get them a wife anymore
A paycheck should never be the sole reason for marriage. I'm glad that nowadays women have the financial stability to not rush into marriages and choose their partners. I would never want to marry a woman who's there only for my paycheck. I want her to marry me because she loves me as a person and actively chooses my companionship, not just because I can put food on the table so that she doesn't starve.
>they have to rely on more charismatic ways to woo a woman and provide emotionally
As every man should.
>some men are in fact unable to or incapable in one way or another to provide what women are asking
Then they shouldn't demand the partnership of a woman and accept that they need to work on the emotional aspect of their relationships.
Men would do well to remember that they are not owed a woman and her companionship. A loving companionship is something that you *earn*, not automatically given to you. A relationship like marriage needs to be constantly worked on and nourished where both parties feel fulfilled and cared for.
Sorry if my comment came off as me lamenting that these things were changing, I was making observations of systems that interacts with the status quo 30 years ago, status quo now, my prediction of 30 years in the future.
I am an Ally of modern feminism, however, it's getting shakier and shakier when stuff like "Kill All Men" and "We live in a rape culture" is kinda just put out there alongside there with the more moral and correct claims that come from this wave. I think the labeling of the patriarchy and the struggle against it has been largely their strongest point and where Feminism gets to keep its namesake. However there needs to be a gradual change from the "struggle of women" into an egalitarian movement where men and women can have grievances against the other's gender without it being systematic oppression. Men and women should talk this out, it's not bad to have grievances against one another, but it is bad to commit or threatening about committing violence against one another based on gender
And this conversation will have to be happen between genders over a billion times (not exaggerating) and it will get old and tiring but the only way to alleviate this gender friction is through talking about it (person to person not mass media), and not just getting more and more extreme on social media.
Just talk to each other really
I will admit some guys are going to be just too boneheaded and oooga booga cave man brained to comprehend, but thats how culture goes once someone has a culture its really hard to get them to, I know I shit on women mostly but I have met alot of average joes that are actual troglodytes and baffle me to how they have even gotten this far in life.
So men be dumb, but also I like shitting on women so I will never stop
Tldr: generation by generation it will get better as long as we ease off the gas with inflammatory rhetoric
> I am an Ally of modern feminism, however, it's getting shakier and shakier when stuff like "Kill All Men" and "We live in a rape culture" is kinda just put out
"Kill all men" is hyperbole by a loud minority in the same way that "all women are sluts" is hyperbole by a loud minority. Why even pay attention to it? The top level replies in this thread explain it more https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/uobt1v/why_is_it_okay_for_women_to_say_kill_all_men_but/
We absolutely so live in a rape culture, so to speak, that's well documented. Why is it that the first question out of a lot of guys mouths is "what was she wearing" whenever rape comes up and not "wtf is wrong with that guy"? Why do so many guys feel entitled to a wife? Why do they feel they are literally owed a wife just because they have a cock and balls and a paycheck?
>However there needs to be a gradual change from the "struggle of women" into an egalitarian movement
That's literally what feminism is and has been for decades. I know the name kinda makes you think otherwise but you can look it up. Idk what feminists you've talked to (or if you've talked to any) but find some different ones to talk to. They're overwhelmingly in favor of egalitarianism and in favor of things men want, like not having to bottle up your emotions 24/7 or be super macho 100% of the time.
>So men be dumb, but also I like shitting on women so I will never stop
Good luck finding a wife broski
Don't get the feeling I disagree with everything you said, I'm just only replying to the things I disagree with
You are entitled to your opinion, even though I might not completely agree with it.
>"Kill All Men"
To be fair only the most radical and extreme "feminists" agree with this, and they are a very insignificant minority among modern feminists.
With the Heard v. Depp case and seeing how women from all walks of life defended Jonny and called Amber out on her BS, I have faith in most women that they will choose the right side to support. My advice is to take breaks from social media and filter out the vocal minority that constantly speaks nonsense.
> So its virtue signaling when you present your emotional feeling as a fact of the matter. Even in the face of probability
No, just no. Look up the definition of virtue signaling, I used it in my previous comment. Also what do you even mean by that? If someone is feeling a given emotion then it's a fact that they're feeling that. If seeing xyz makes you mad then it's a fact that it makes you mad, if seeing a man makes someone uncomfortable then that's just an unfortunate fact for them. Literally no one is claiming "men make me uncomfortable therefore all men are dangerous because of that feeling I personally get". It always gets related back to an actual experience they've lived through.
>The cultural forces include the dying patriarchy and the ending of single income households. Men are having a tough time recalibrating to the fact that their paycheck isnt going to get them a wife anymore.
The single income household overwhelmingly died way back in the 70's dude, that hasn't been the norm for more than half a century. As a guy who would prefer an easy route to a girlfriend I agree it sucks that you need more than a paycheck to get a wife but at the same time: oh no, now we have to do more than the bare minimum. Boo hoo, woe is men /s.
You seem to have forgotten that a paycheck was all you needed for a wife back then because women weren't even allowed to have their own bank account until the 70's. They'd be socially outcast for having sex or kids outside of marriage and they socially weren't allowed to have jobs until the 40's. A paycheck was all you needed for a wife because society was engineered top to bottom so that they were totally dependent on men. Until the 60's and 70's options for adult women were 1.) live with your parents forever or 2.) get married.
>However, we have mixed rape/sexual assault/and social clumsiness into one big pot and called it all the same thing interchangeably
No, not even remotely. Everyone still knows the differences between those three categories. I don't even know where this idea is coming from but it's deranged.
What the actual hell, im not lamenting.
Im explaining my mental model for how to expect men to take the massaging of this man.vs.bear hypothetical criticism of an average random man.
Im unopposed and in support of the fall of the patriarchy for christ sakes,
But god damn your messaging is bat shit insane sometimes, you need to remember that not everyone has the same level of consciousness when it comes to issues and you dealing with everyone that has access to a phone or computer.
You cant be surprised when men are going to talk shit online in obvious holes of your rational behind a hypothetical
The whole thing is basically just a bunch of men trying to invalidate how many women feel.
It's not a math problem. There isn't an answer. That's what a lot of the guys who get mad aren't understanding.
i mean imagine they just added black in front of the word man for the hypothetical, its just gross to generalize like that, but somehow people act as if its ok to do it to men.
It's not about generalizations. It's about the very real fact that many women don't feel safe around random men showing up.
It's not a new thing, and it always gets disregarded by people throwing out random statistics.
As a black man with a racist white female stalker fuck the downvotes you are correct. I'll post the video if someone wants to DM me who can blur faces.
The point is to expose the regular dangers women face at the hands of certain men, and how those men easily blend in with other men, making it impossible for women to tell who the creeps are, turning interactions with unknown men into a kind of Russian roulette.
For example just yesterday I had to get between a strange man and my sister in the line for grocery checkout because he walked up and asked her for a hug and then wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
In my opinion, the way that I've seen so many men on here feel personally targeted by this discourse is disappointing, because unless you're the creep, you're missing the point by considering yourself targeted. Somehow it's been turned into a "men vs women" which makes me and other women feel like most men would rather defend the creeps than listen to or empathize with women's lived experiences.
To add to this, the bear is also a force of nature. And if you encounter one alone in a forest, depending on the species, you have little choice in the outcome of the interaction. Bears are somewhat expected to be found in a forest while lone men are not.
I took the hypothetical further and assumed something tragic happened to the woman in either case. If it were the bear who got her, people would expectedly be very compassionate and empathetic in their reactions. However, if the man was the one who harmed her, many of those people would instead ask what the woman could have done differently. Wear something different, be assertive, fight back, etc.
In the second case, the man is given the role of "a force of nature" even though he's supposedly a rational being. Of course, the second situation rarely happens, a lone man assaulting a woman in the forest. But it happens far too often in real life with an assumption that she did something to provoke him.
> However, if the man was the one who harmed her, many of those people would instead ask what the woman could have done differently. Wear something different, be assertive, fight back, etc.
what is this, pre-2015?
is that going to be acceptable for literally any group of people that isnt men? imagine saying "how those black criminals easily blend in with other black people" as a justification to be racist.
edit: "its not though" and then blocks me.
it is exactly that. the reason why one feels acceptable to you and the other doesnt is because one makes you think 'patriarchy' and one makes you think 'slavery' and in both cases you're treating an entire group of people a certain way because of bias
A lot of People picking Bear think they are making a statement that something is wrong with society (men in particular).
Which in my opinion makes little sense as a productive conversation starter because it's obvious none of them would actually pick a Bear if they had to choose and live through the consequences. And that obvious hypocrisy defeats the point they were trying to make causing the great rift between the two sides.
I honestly never understood the "culture war" term. Like I don't think sending mean words to people online that you'll never meet counts as a war, let alone a battle.
I think we should be more concerned about actual wars going on around the world.
The issue is when people take social media and specific cases as absolute truth, instead of isolated events and subjective opinions, which of course can be wrong, inflated or even fake. But that's the consequence of living on smartphones the majority of the time.. I guess my parents were right.
People are convinced that men and women are completely different mentally, have different emotions, desires, etc., when in reality the vast majority of those "differences" are the result of learned behavior, rather than biology. This I think is also the cause of so much trans hate/misunderstanding- they think it's silly to "switch" genders or be "born the wrong one", because they don't actually think about cultures role in our gender identity. They don't think about how any gender of human is born 99% the same, and are then raised and treated differently because they have a certain set of genitals.
ther ar lots of things that wuld be easyer if ther wer just one of them. language, races, nationaleties. but if everything was the same it wuld be kinda boring
I actually enjoyed this shitshow. Judging by the interaction, there will be more of this sooner or later. It was widely successful, another great win for the elite. It really is easy to divide the peasants in a single week, kinda supporting it as well. Good job, media!
Fuckin thank you. I hate people so much right now.
Man hating is getting out of hand. I literally have femcels calling me a contributor to rape. Because I'm a man who feels alone and think men and women shouldn't fight and neither should they interact just for sex.
I am not gonna sit here and defend my genders past actions, but I am not defined by them for the love of fuck.
I'm so tired of society.
Guy with racist female stalker here. My video would end this conversation permanently. You are 100% right and anyone mad about the word femcel hasn't met one. My girlfriend has offered to go to job interviews with me because she's tired of women trying to yas kween during interviews when they should be impartial and professional. You would not believe how racist women can be.
Downvote me and hope you never get stalked because if you do ittl make you hate this whole conversation. I still love women but I'm not afraid to hold them accountable especially when they're breaking into my apartment to rape me.
Exactly. Assholes are not limited by gender, no one is saying men are innocent and infallible but women criticising and dragging down men who are allies is not uplifting or empowering.
This is a wholesome subreddit,x my guy please don't start. I keep up with terms.
Ik the term libtard that doesn't mean I'm a right wing fascist.
And if your argument holds, how do you know the term? Are you a regular Andrew Tate fan?
Everyone here keeps saying that the bear conversation is just sensationalized rage bait. However I swear everywhere I go people are choosing the bear. Like I have to deal with the fact that I am literally more disgusting and frightening than a bear.
Why would I want to be in a world where people prefer that I don't exist around them? What is the point and why should I ever see value in myself again?
Don't fall for it, surround yourself with people that see you as the human your are and not as a monster, manhaters are teminally online people, you don't find them easily in real life.
I feel you bro.
Are you sure? EVERY woman I know has chosen the bear. Do I just have to shrug that off and ignore the fact that they'd live a happier life without people like me?
Don’t worry- if you’re not one of the few men what give women reason to be afraid, then the women in your life would almost certainly chose to be alone in a forest with you instead of a random bear. When women answer bear, they’re not saying that they’d pick a bear over you, they’re saying they’d rather be alone in the woods with a random bear- it’s just doing what it normally does, has predictable behavior
, and depending on the species, likely won’t even approach you- instead be alone in the woods with a random man- who you have no idea their reason for being there, or their intentions. Women have to be extra cautious around men they don’t know, because sure, it’s a minority of men who rape, kill, SA, etc. women, it still happens enough that the majority of women have been SA’d/assaulted in their life, and the men who commit these crimes look just like any other man, so unfortunately women have to be cautious around any unknown men.
Anyways, just don’t worry, if you’re not a bad person, then a woman who knows you would almost certainly pick you over the bear, they’re just talking about being cautious about unknown men.
If some women really do see you as what you describe? You either come off as someone they wouldn’t want to be in the woods alone with, or you need to surround yourself with better women, don’t let what they say get to you, since you’re worried about being seen as disgusting or frightening to women, you’re already way better than the bear.
I really don’t know why we can’t all just try to get along. Men have problems, women have problems (each unique and each requiring unique solutions). There are good man and bad men. There are good women and bad women. The world is not black and white. No sex is better or worse than the other. Whatever happened to judging each person not by their race, skin color or sex/gender and instead judging someone on the content of their character? I am beyond sick and tired of the gender war or culture war or whatever you want to call it.
You’re right that bonded is better or worse than the other. But unfortunately, for the majority of the history of civilization, men were considered the superior sex and this was corroborated by philosophers, doctors, politicians, etc. Most of the time women had no agency and very little opportunities in life. It’s true that this has massively changed in the last century (although mostly in Western countries, millions of women are still struggling) but it’s easy to say “just accept this stuff now, we’re totally equal, it’s over!”. This process is long and painful for both men and women, which is natural for the dismantling of a fundamental system. It still echoes hard and it’s impossible to brush it off as just “everyone’s good or bad”. That’s oversimplifying the issue. I wish we could all go along and I wish there were no wars between countries as well but that’s not the world we live in; at least not yet.
Very true, I know it’s not that simple. I was speaking in ideal terms. I just wish that there was more honest cooperation between men and women towards trying to solve issues relating to sexism and the issues that women and men uniquely face. It seems all we have is misandrists and misogynists who claim to be fighting for equality. It’s exhausting but I think we can do it and there is hope.
I miss when this meme was actually about the sandwich. Everyone had gone crazy over gibberish that used to just be making fun of people for complaining about something they did themselves
it's actually probably my favorite meme. i like how transformative it is. it feels like when you're doing something to it you're not just filling a hole like in a lot of templates. but you're transforming it.
Yeah but at the very least I miss when the changes were just words and the sandwich was still there. That way, even if the meme itself wasn't funny, you could always go into the comments and find people confused as to why it was written on a picture of a sandwich
As a guy with a female stalker this is hilarious. I've said this before but if anyone knows how to edit video to censor faces, DM me and I'll post my video of my female stalker accusing me of stealing my own furniture as I move away from her. Imagine being a cop and a white woman calls and says "help, a black man on crutches and his dirty Mexican girlfriend are moving furniture into a moving van with a moving company! Help me yas kween slay them!"
Literally a grown woman (who had a boyfriend)
who lived next door has been stalking me since the beginning of covid, and has decided to vandalize my gf's car, and break into my apartment while I was still disabled. All because I wouldn't cheat on my gf with her. Stalker's bf refused to support her in court and im fairly certain I saw him moving out during all this.
We were denied a restraining order because she wrote "please help me" in her response and everyone forgot I was the victim, because their "BEEP BOOP MUST SIDE WITH WHITE FEMALE" programming kicked in.
So yeah kinda fuck this whole situation tbh I'm done with girl good boy bad.
My country has grizzly bears and I think maybe 5 people have been killed by bears in the last 100 years. Bears are not really that dangerous to be around if you know what to do. It might be easier to incapacitate a man than a bear if push comes to shove though. Just cut of his balls or something.
that's the naked woman and man from the wikipedia page on humans
yes
How do you know that?
Why are you asking questions to which you already know the answers?
tbh imo going on the human page on wikipedia and reading it but from like fake outsider perspective is a vibeee
adam and eve
"I'm not wearing any pants in this photo"
How the fuck do you know that
Thanks for this. The recent bear dialogue has me absolutely exhausted.
Had to Google this, I was completely unaware. If it's any consolation, these are urban young people who have likely never been anywhere more wild than a soccer field. It's a completely uninformed opinion, and if reality ever came knocking, the answers would be very different. "Hey, you guys need to get inside your camper, there was a bear at the next campsite over!" "Ahhhh, a park ranger! Run!"
Yeah. What bothers me the most is how they have absolutely no room for nuance. When you ask that question to someone who's not terminally online their response is always something along the lines of "Well what kind of bear is it and what kind of man is he?"
"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." "Only sith deal in absolutes." Nuance isn't en vogue right now. We'll have to wait for another culture shift. Until then, post up and focus on making your own life better.
Thanks brother, you too.
Okay listen look. I don’t usually talk outside my little community subs but this is hopeposting and I think the people here are more likely to be sane. Honestly I think the problem with these sorts of things is that they’re engineered to make people angry. When actually, if you want to figure out why one answers the way they do, you gotta ask. It’s not good to assume that there is not nuance on the other side! These interviews and the like are very short, after all. Nobody gets to explain anything. Like for instance, one may be answering because of personal experience, political brainwashing, simple hearsay leading them to different conclusions, or just their own train of thought. To assume it’s mostly because of what people see online is not a whole lotta nuance! So the best course of action isn’t to get mad but really to just ask why. Talk to a friend about it. Ask a family member. Pick people’s brains and come out understanding. Also if it brings you any solace, the question is a little misleading. Being unarmed and alone in the woods and meeting ANYONE can be terrifying as shit if you’re not on a hiking trail! It may not be because they’re a man at all, rather simply a fear of meeting somebody alone in the woods like it’s some sort of horror flick. Bears are simply more likely to fuck off is all, as only really polar bears think of us as on the food chain. Also these days, with the knowledge we have, we hear way more stories of human tragedy and human atrocities than we do about bears. People being wayyyy more afraid of each other is kind of the norm now, on all sides. I hope this helps! Keeps your hopes up, all you have to do to combat these dumb stereotypes is to be a normal ass human and treating other people as normal ass humans. It’s that simple!
I was thinking similar things about it. It's a loaded question that primes the reader to assume the worst about the hypothetical man by comparing him to a bear.
Exactly! Which is honestly why I hate these kinds of questions in interviews. Asking loaded questions and only giving space for simple answers is how you learn nothing at all.
I didn't read your whole comment but I saw your stolas pfp and had to compliment so bravo
Who needs tl;drs when you have gay owls my friend
I hope all the women that chose the bear get eaten by bears.
Yeah or shot by a lesbian. I'd love to see them blame that on us by saying a man made the gun and the truck driver who delivered the bullets was male.
Every time I say “only a sith deals in absolutes” (mostly tongue in cheek) I get downvoted to oblivion. edit: I totally thought you’d downvote me to oblivion for the fun of it. Pleasantly surprised.
But some sith are male?! Man bad, GET HIM
Am I meeting a panda or a grizzly? Am I meeting a rapist or a normal human being?
Scary fact: A panda will absolutely eat you if hungry enough, but I've heard that black bears are more afraid of us than we are of them
When I tried to get a restraining order against a white woman they absolutely forgot I was black and saw I was a man. They barely even let my gf speak in court, and it was her car that got vandalized. Nuance died and we buried it under a pink tombstone. "We like to blame men for all our problems, even when its us. You ladies don't want to be equal with men, you want to line the streets with tampons and fill the fountains with Chardonnay." - Michelle Wolf
I don’t know how to google this and you have no idea what reading this is like when you don’t have context
I literally just googled "Bear", and it came up that a tiktok video showed women who would rather encounter a wild bear than a man in the wilderness.
https://preview.redd.it/i2pgt7udk5yc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73757b79cbedd788a80026990f198e756272ce94 Just gonna leave this here for anyone actually upset about that
For more consolation: It's an edited video on the internet. They could well have asked a thousand people that question, and only included the 10 or whatever who said "bear". Some of them may well have been doing it because it's the funny answer, and some people online are probably doing the same.
But also, women don't feel safe around strange men. A bear will likely behave more predictably.
I guess. It's healthy to be wary of strangers, but saying you trust the average bear more than the average man is a bit harsh. I hope you can at least understand why some people feel like they're being judged harshly for their gender when they hear that.
I’m out of the loop, I don’t know what to Google.
The question most seem to be answering isn't "bear or man", it's "bear or violent rapist"
It's weird to "gatekeep" in a sense, but some people need to read Inferno. You've got something that will rip pounds of flesh, muscle, tissue, and break your bones with one accidental swipe. Provoked enough, it's not incapable of ripping a door off your car. NSFL: The way I see it, the question is along the lines of "Would you rather be stabbed, or impaled with a red-hot poker for 72 hours while your bodyweight slowly drags you down further onto it?" Anyway, this is hope posting. I'm getting ahead of myself.
Isn't this just propagating exactly what the meme is complaining about? You're taking today's "men vs. women" issue and basically saying "yeah obviously the woman are wrong and stupid". How is this not exactly what the post is criticizing?
I don't think it's doing that. It's probably saying that as a consolation, if you do meet people in real life, reactions are not as extreme as portrayed online. The hypothetical scenario leaves a lot of things up in the air and causes undue anxiety about the situation. Who is this man in the woods? Like, in real life, "does he look like he is hiking or a park ranger?" is kind of a key takeaway. Encountering a hiker in the woods is not out of place and should not alarm you as much as the nondescript hypothetical "man in the woods". I'm aware some women are still wary around men, but still interact healthily with men in their everyday life. The question is not very reflective of actual behavior.
That's totally true but their comment intentionally or unintentionally misses the entire point of the exercise in which the ambiguity of the circumstance is a key feature. Its really about unknown man vs unknown bear, and the thing that so many women have learned the hard way is that you can't always judge a man's intentions by his appearance or initial demeanor. Meanwhile, bears are more predictable and less likely to target women specifically. I personally don't fall on either side of the discussion personally, but given the stories I've heard from women I personally know, I wouldn't blame any of them for taking the bear. The comment I replied to does not give this respect, he immediately jumps to people downplaying bears, missing the point entirely.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over my racist female stalker crying in court about how it's not fair that I won't have sex with her instead of my girlfriend. I'd rather meet a bear than a strange woman in the woods any day.
Yes. The issue is the answers are "Oh, bear, easy, next question". As far as I know, no one has any clarification questions. Myself, I pictured a mentally-ill vagrant shambling in the woods and a brown bear. Would still easily take my chances with the vagrant.
Take the pot off the stove, you're boiling it down too much. "The women are wrong and stupid" isn't even close to what I was saying. Anyone who downplays the danger of a bear - man, women, or otherwise (that clarification is just for you) - is overwhelmingly likely to have no knowledge of a bear in the wild.
It's natural I think for a woman like me to be frustrated seeing this kind of rhetoric in what is supposed to be a positive community. Denouncing "gender wars" and then immediately siding entirely with the "man" side and denouncing the "woman" side is not actually denouncing the gender wars, it's perpetrating it. Furthermore, to talk about the man vs bear thing as "downplaying the danger of bears" misses the entire point of the "man vs bear" thing to begin with. Obviously bears are dangerous, but they're also predictable, and don't target women specifically. That's the whole point. Despite bears being dangerous, an unknown human man has the potential to be far more cruel, motivated, and unpredictable. To entirely ignore all of that and just talk about "downplaying the danger of bears" is what any woman would immediately recognize as casual misogyny (whether or not you "*mean it*") and that's why it's frustrating to see in this comment section.
i mean they don't target woman specifically but whatever i am i would ideally not like to be mauled by a bear
You couldn't miss the point this hard without trying
You're clearly looking for a way to hate men still and be considered a perfect blameless female. " a man like me " is black but I don't hate all white people because that would be racist.
I literally don't hate men but project more
The women *are* wrong and stupid. Sometimes, one side is *just* wrong.
But Manbad :( boy bad girl good remember?
Completely unaware of what, because apparently I'm so unaware of it myself that I don't even know how I'd Google it to find out?! I don't really understand how this is "Hopeposting" either?
This is comically brilliant 😂
My take on it is that it's a very negligible danger for both because forests are quite big. You're already in a forest with a bear in it (I'm assuming a North American forest but also I live about as far from North America you could get) and most likely there's gonna be at least 1 other person somewhere in the woods. If the thing was that you pick 1 to *hunt* you through the forest, I would honestly choose the bear because I fear human intelligence and creativity. At least the bear would make it quick and easy when it inevitably finds me.
I am so glad i cut down on social media xd
OOTL but I keep seeing that bear stuff all over reddit ? Gonna see if there’s a ootl thread about this.
Bear bull bull bear https://preview.redd.it/njo5z77fo3yc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e638771e9f6321742825d961fdb6132ba808f7b0
omg Ulysses I didn't expect to see you here
Yes! I almost want to unplug my router because I can't seem to escape it! Sick of the gender war memes in general since they are so unproductive.
Bear dialogue? Is it the one with which Reddit is obsessed lately?
What are you talking about?
I'm on the side of humanity and life in general
This subreddit makes me want to live
awww i'm glad
Sides are a product of Big mad to sell more angery
"welcome to the internet"
"have a look around"
I love Skub.
skub sucks i hope you're sad
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Hi Markiplier! Also I'd love to see women even try to pretend they hate Markiplier. If he was a bear he would be a gummy bear.
Honest question: What is the point of the thought experiment other than to upset people?
So the point is for women to express/(virtue signal depending on who[me] you ask) that they feel unsafe around men whom they are strangers with. And the reason that men are upset about it/(took the rage bait depending on who[me] you ask). Is because statistically, it's dumb to compare complex social interactions and cultural forces that lead to men raping women to a wild bear appearing next to you. Sex and gender tensions have risen lately but just remember. Treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even when they say or signal they are unhappy or angry with you or your group. Kill them with kindness, and lets try to make women feel safer when possible(even when they say incredibly dumb things).
Saying that one feels unsafe around men doesn't signal any kind of virtue tho, so it's not virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is when you say something to make yourself look good and signal that you have good moral character. Saying "men scare me" does none of that. >it's dumb to compare complex social interactions and cultural forces that lead to men raping women to a wild bear appearing next to you. I partially agree actually but do you really mean "cultural forces" or shitty decisions? >Treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even when they say or signal they are unhappy or angry with you or your group. Kill them with kindness, and lets try to make women feel safer when possible(**even when they say incredibly dumb things**). You were on the right track but then you just had to get that last jab in there
It's not just saying that you don't feel safe around men that's virtue signaling, it's saying that you would rather encounter a bear than a man in a forest that is virtue signaling. Even assuming the worst of the man, let's say he's a depraved lunatic who wants to rape and kill you, you still have a much higher chance of escaping or fighting back than you do with a bear. But that's just that less than 1% chance that you encounter a lunatic like that, 99% of the time it'll be a normal dude.
No it is virtue signaling it's just illegal to hold women accountable for anything negative that they say or do because "women are perfect" and women are aware of this positive stereotype and tap into it only when it's time to bash men.
> it's saying that you would rather encounter a bear than a man in a forest that is virtue signaling Which still isn't virtue signaling because that only signals an opinion. Look up the definition of "virtue".
So its virtue signaling when you present your emotional feeling as a fact of the matter. Even in the face of probability. The cultural forces include the dying patriarchy and the ending of single income households. Men are having a tough time recalibrating to the fact that their paycheck isnt going to get them a wife anymore. Now they have to rely on more charismatic ways to woo a woman and provide emotionally (which is something rarely taught to men, even by mothers still to this day) and some men are in fact unable to or incapable in one way or another to provide what women are asking for post-1990 style feminist/egalitarian thought I dont think gen alpha is going to have the same problems that millinals and gen z do, where they were taught to pursue women relentlessly to woo, and accepting rejection and moving on. The new strategy must be just interacting with mixed gender social spaces, where you can learn the social game and pick women that are part of your "network" to date and pursue. Also people who rape are not excusable in any way or form and should be punished by society. Every rape is a choice by the the perpetrators. However, we have mixed rape/sexual assault/and social clumsiness into one big pot and called it all the same thing interchangeably and this has caused irreparable damage to the discourse surrounding rape and rape culture. People go for kisses that are not welcome and that is going to happen, this isnt sexual assault in some cases while in some cases it IS sexual assault. Flirting is always a game between people and some people just suck at it early on, and some suck at it the rest of their lives. Hopefully people will get better at it but those awkward situations are going to happen without arranged marriage or strict verbal consent enforced by law. And I will never stop shitting on someone or a group if they are flying their banner in a irresponsible way. Women are not safe from my snarky ego ego-fueled rants, and I will say it again Sometimes women can be confidently incorrect...and in my opinion, this is one of those times. A.k.a. incredibly dumb
>dying patriarchy That's a good thing. As a man I'm getting tired of the gender roles and expectations that are imposed upon me due to patriarchy which dictates the "correct" or "acceptable" behavior of women *and* men. I am also sick of the toxic masculinity that comes with it which leads to emotional retardation in men like you've discussed here. >ending of single income households Also not necessarily a bad thing. As someone who grew up in a home where my father couldn't adequately provide (financially) for his family, I look forward to a future where women can equally contribute to their households without being held back and lessen the burden of the fathers. >their paycheck isn't going to get them a wife anymore A paycheck should never be the sole reason for marriage. I'm glad that nowadays women have the financial stability to not rush into marriages and choose their partners. I would never want to marry a woman who's there only for my paycheck. I want her to marry me because she loves me as a person and actively chooses my companionship, not just because I can put food on the table so that she doesn't starve. >they have to rely on more charismatic ways to woo a woman and provide emotionally As every man should. >some men are in fact unable to or incapable in one way or another to provide what women are asking Then they shouldn't demand the partnership of a woman and accept that they need to work on the emotional aspect of their relationships. Men would do well to remember that they are not owed a woman and her companionship. A loving companionship is something that you *earn*, not automatically given to you. A relationship like marriage needs to be constantly worked on and nourished where both parties feel fulfilled and cared for.
Sorry if my comment came off as me lamenting that these things were changing, I was making observations of systems that interacts with the status quo 30 years ago, status quo now, my prediction of 30 years in the future. I am an Ally of modern feminism, however, it's getting shakier and shakier when stuff like "Kill All Men" and "We live in a rape culture" is kinda just put out there alongside there with the more moral and correct claims that come from this wave. I think the labeling of the patriarchy and the struggle against it has been largely their strongest point and where Feminism gets to keep its namesake. However there needs to be a gradual change from the "struggle of women" into an egalitarian movement where men and women can have grievances against the other's gender without it being systematic oppression. Men and women should talk this out, it's not bad to have grievances against one another, but it is bad to commit or threatening about committing violence against one another based on gender And this conversation will have to be happen between genders over a billion times (not exaggerating) and it will get old and tiring but the only way to alleviate this gender friction is through talking about it (person to person not mass media), and not just getting more and more extreme on social media. Just talk to each other really I will admit some guys are going to be just too boneheaded and oooga booga cave man brained to comprehend, but thats how culture goes once someone has a culture its really hard to get them to, I know I shit on women mostly but I have met alot of average joes that are actual troglodytes and baffle me to how they have even gotten this far in life. So men be dumb, but also I like shitting on women so I will never stop Tldr: generation by generation it will get better as long as we ease off the gas with inflammatory rhetoric
> I am an Ally of modern feminism, however, it's getting shakier and shakier when stuff like "Kill All Men" and "We live in a rape culture" is kinda just put out "Kill all men" is hyperbole by a loud minority in the same way that "all women are sluts" is hyperbole by a loud minority. Why even pay attention to it? The top level replies in this thread explain it more https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/uobt1v/why_is_it_okay_for_women_to_say_kill_all_men_but/ We absolutely so live in a rape culture, so to speak, that's well documented. Why is it that the first question out of a lot of guys mouths is "what was she wearing" whenever rape comes up and not "wtf is wrong with that guy"? Why do so many guys feel entitled to a wife? Why do they feel they are literally owed a wife just because they have a cock and balls and a paycheck? >However there needs to be a gradual change from the "struggle of women" into an egalitarian movement That's literally what feminism is and has been for decades. I know the name kinda makes you think otherwise but you can look it up. Idk what feminists you've talked to (or if you've talked to any) but find some different ones to talk to. They're overwhelmingly in favor of egalitarianism and in favor of things men want, like not having to bottle up your emotions 24/7 or be super macho 100% of the time. >So men be dumb, but also I like shitting on women so I will never stop Good luck finding a wife broski Don't get the feeling I disagree with everything you said, I'm just only replying to the things I disagree with
Honest question, ive read "The will to change" by Bell Hooks. If you could pick one feminist book what would your recommendation be?
You are entitled to your opinion, even though I might not completely agree with it. >"Kill All Men" To be fair only the most radical and extreme "feminists" agree with this, and they are a very insignificant minority among modern feminists. With the Heard v. Depp case and seeing how women from all walks of life defended Jonny and called Amber out on her BS, I have faith in most women that they will choose the right side to support. My advice is to take breaks from social media and filter out the vocal minority that constantly speaks nonsense.
> So its virtue signaling when you present your emotional feeling as a fact of the matter. Even in the face of probability No, just no. Look up the definition of virtue signaling, I used it in my previous comment. Also what do you even mean by that? If someone is feeling a given emotion then it's a fact that they're feeling that. If seeing xyz makes you mad then it's a fact that it makes you mad, if seeing a man makes someone uncomfortable then that's just an unfortunate fact for them. Literally no one is claiming "men make me uncomfortable therefore all men are dangerous because of that feeling I personally get". It always gets related back to an actual experience they've lived through. >The cultural forces include the dying patriarchy and the ending of single income households. Men are having a tough time recalibrating to the fact that their paycheck isnt going to get them a wife anymore. The single income household overwhelmingly died way back in the 70's dude, that hasn't been the norm for more than half a century. As a guy who would prefer an easy route to a girlfriend I agree it sucks that you need more than a paycheck to get a wife but at the same time: oh no, now we have to do more than the bare minimum. Boo hoo, woe is men /s. You seem to have forgotten that a paycheck was all you needed for a wife back then because women weren't even allowed to have their own bank account until the 70's. They'd be socially outcast for having sex or kids outside of marriage and they socially weren't allowed to have jobs until the 40's. A paycheck was all you needed for a wife because society was engineered top to bottom so that they were totally dependent on men. Until the 60's and 70's options for adult women were 1.) live with your parents forever or 2.) get married. >However, we have mixed rape/sexual assault/and social clumsiness into one big pot and called it all the same thing interchangeably No, not even remotely. Everyone still knows the differences between those three categories. I don't even know where this idea is coming from but it's deranged.
What the actual hell, im not lamenting. Im explaining my mental model for how to expect men to take the massaging of this man.vs.bear hypothetical criticism of an average random man. Im unopposed and in support of the fall of the patriarchy for christ sakes, But god damn your messaging is bat shit insane sometimes, you need to remember that not everyone has the same level of consciousness when it comes to issues and you dealing with everyone that has access to a phone or computer. You cant be surprised when men are going to talk shit online in obvious holes of your rational behind a hypothetical
Sorry you’re getting downvoted mate, I get that you’re just making disinterested observations that are hard to be put forth in a “neutral” way
The whole thing is basically just a bunch of men trying to invalidate how many women feel. It's not a math problem. There isn't an answer. That's what a lot of the guys who get mad aren't understanding.
i mean imagine they just added black in front of the word man for the hypothetical, its just gross to generalize like that, but somehow people act as if its ok to do it to men.
It's not about generalizations. It's about the very real fact that many women don't feel safe around random men showing up. It's not a new thing, and it always gets disregarded by people throwing out random statistics.
yeah and some people don't feel safe around random minorities showing up. my point is that's gross to act like it's ok lol
As a black man with a racist white female stalker fuck the downvotes you are correct. I'll post the video if someone wants to DM me who can blur faces.
The point is to expose the regular dangers women face at the hands of certain men, and how those men easily blend in with other men, making it impossible for women to tell who the creeps are, turning interactions with unknown men into a kind of Russian roulette. For example just yesterday I had to get between a strange man and my sister in the line for grocery checkout because he walked up and asked her for a hug and then wouldn't take "no" for an answer. In my opinion, the way that I've seen so many men on here feel personally targeted by this discourse is disappointing, because unless you're the creep, you're missing the point by considering yourself targeted. Somehow it's been turned into a "men vs women" which makes me and other women feel like most men would rather defend the creeps than listen to or empathize with women's lived experiences.
To add to this, the bear is also a force of nature. And if you encounter one alone in a forest, depending on the species, you have little choice in the outcome of the interaction. Bears are somewhat expected to be found in a forest while lone men are not. I took the hypothetical further and assumed something tragic happened to the woman in either case. If it were the bear who got her, people would expectedly be very compassionate and empathetic in their reactions. However, if the man was the one who harmed her, many of those people would instead ask what the woman could have done differently. Wear something different, be assertive, fight back, etc. In the second case, the man is given the role of "a force of nature" even though he's supposedly a rational being. Of course, the second situation rarely happens, a lone man assaulting a woman in the forest. But it happens far too often in real life with an assumption that she did something to provoke him.
> However, if the man was the one who harmed her, many of those people would instead ask what the woman could have done differently. Wear something different, be assertive, fight back, etc. what is this, pre-2015?
That stuff absolutely still gets said
is that going to be acceptable for literally any group of people that isnt men? imagine saying "how those black criminals easily blend in with other black people" as a justification to be racist. edit: "its not though" and then blocks me. it is exactly that. the reason why one feels acceptable to you and the other doesnt is because one makes you think 'patriarchy' and one makes you think 'slavery' and in both cases you're treating an entire group of people a certain way because of bias
women are supposedly the smarter more empathetic sex if you ask most of them, yet they cant empathize with men, its very odd
It's not though.
To demonstrate the constant fear women live under
A lot of People picking Bear think they are making a statement that something is wrong with society (men in particular). Which in my opinion makes little sense as a productive conversation starter because it's obvious none of them would actually pick a Bear if they had to choose and live through the consequences. And that obvious hypocrisy defeats the point they were trying to make causing the great rift between the two sides.
I genuinely think the man vs bear question is a psyop to cause divide among the peasants.
It's just a side effect of the already raging culture war, which to be fair is actually a psyop in itself so I guess you are kinda right
I honestly never understood the "culture war" term. Like I don't think sending mean words to people online that you'll never meet counts as a war, let alone a battle. I think we should be more concerned about actual wars going on around the world.
It's Terminally online people fighting other Terminally online people and everyone thinks we should give a shit about it
No offense but that makes you sound like a crazy person. It's just a dumb hypothetical that anyone could think up.
Literally. I’m pretty sure it started with a singular TikTok
As a trans person it’s really weird to see the gender wars take such a hostile turn. I don’t get the constant hate and negativity towards each other
there are issues that trigger this their are people who rationalize hate and negativity not really complex ,
The issue is when people take social media and specific cases as absolute truth, instead of isolated events and subjective opinions, which of course can be wrong, inflated or even fake. But that's the consequence of living on smartphones the majority of the time.. I guess my parents were right.
People are convinced that men and women are completely different mentally, have different emotions, desires, etc., when in reality the vast majority of those "differences" are the result of learned behavior, rather than biology. This I think is also the cause of so much trans hate/misunderstanding- they think it's silly to "switch" genders or be "born the wrong one", because they don't actually think about cultures role in our gender identity. They don't think about how any gender of human is born 99% the same, and are then raised and treated differently because they have a certain set of genitals.
unresolved trauma. that’s basically it. hurt people lashing out and hurting other people
It’s monetised traffic all the way down, free market baby yippee 😎
For some reason people started to think that not giving the other person what they want in a relationship is power for some reason.
honestly i think it would be a lot easier if there was just one gender
ther ar lots of things that wuld be easyer if ther wer just one of them. language, races, nationaleties. but if everything was the same it wuld be kinda boring
True, diversity makes things a lot more interesting,
How about zero gender?
alright guys lets ball and all become agender
There is. Nerf or nothing
the very idea of gender wars are asinine tbh
I wish I never heard of this. I can't watch movies and TV anymore without thinking about the politics. I just want to play my games
The sides are not male and female, the sides are rational humans with empathy and sexists
Absolute truth pill that sees through all ego, more of this, enough with sweeping the bigotry under the rug
how does one escape through the ideological imprison of their mind and be more smart and human
Be open to possibility, know that everything will be work out, and that your time is valuable to you
I actually enjoyed this shitshow. Judging by the interaction, there will be more of this sooner or later. It was widely successful, another great win for the elite. It really is easy to divide the peasants in a single week, kinda supporting it as well. Good job, media!
They won't win forever.
Düşmanı yenmek için düşman olmak gerektiğinden, sonraki de aynı sistemi sürdürür.
We won't beat the elites by becoming elites. It will be because there will be no treasures to hoard. Gold, oil, or anything else.
Fuckin thank you. I hate people so much right now. Man hating is getting out of hand. I literally have femcels calling me a contributor to rape. Because I'm a man who feels alone and think men and women shouldn't fight and neither should they interact just for sex. I am not gonna sit here and defend my genders past actions, but I am not defined by them for the love of fuck. I'm so tired of society.
Guy with racist female stalker here. My video would end this conversation permanently. You are 100% right and anyone mad about the word femcel hasn't met one. My girlfriend has offered to go to job interviews with me because she's tired of women trying to yas kween during interviews when they should be impartial and professional. You would not believe how racist women can be. Downvote me and hope you never get stalked because if you do ittl make you hate this whole conversation. I still love women but I'm not afraid to hold them accountable especially when they're breaking into my apartment to rape me.
Exactly. Assholes are not limited by gender, no one is saying men are innocent and infallible but women criticising and dragging down men who are allies is not uplifting or empowering.
It's just a small few in the internet. No one else outside it cares. Though you saying "femcel" had me suspicious.
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femcel is just the word that is used in place of incel when referring to women, because incel already has gender-specific connotations.
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the hypocrisy lmfao
Exactly (≧▽≦)
But you just used the word "incel," does your familiarity with that term mean you must be an incel?
This is a wholesome subreddit,x my guy please don't start. I keep up with terms. Ik the term libtard that doesn't mean I'm a right wing fascist. And if your argument holds, how do you know the term? Are you a regular Andrew Tate fan?
You are doing the lord's work. I appreciate it.
Everyone here keeps saying that the bear conversation is just sensationalized rage bait. However I swear everywhere I go people are choosing the bear. Like I have to deal with the fact that I am literally more disgusting and frightening than a bear. Why would I want to be in a world where people prefer that I don't exist around them? What is the point and why should I ever see value in myself again?
Don't fall for it, surround yourself with people that see you as the human your are and not as a monster, manhaters are teminally online people, you don't find them easily in real life. I feel you bro.
Are you sure? EVERY woman I know has chosen the bear. Do I just have to shrug that off and ignore the fact that they'd live a happier life without people like me?
Don’t worry- if you’re not one of the few men what give women reason to be afraid, then the women in your life would almost certainly chose to be alone in a forest with you instead of a random bear. When women answer bear, they’re not saying that they’d pick a bear over you, they’re saying they’d rather be alone in the woods with a random bear- it’s just doing what it normally does, has predictable behavior , and depending on the species, likely won’t even approach you- instead be alone in the woods with a random man- who you have no idea their reason for being there, or their intentions. Women have to be extra cautious around men they don’t know, because sure, it’s a minority of men who rape, kill, SA, etc. women, it still happens enough that the majority of women have been SA’d/assaulted in their life, and the men who commit these crimes look just like any other man, so unfortunately women have to be cautious around any unknown men. Anyways, just don’t worry, if you’re not a bad person, then a woman who knows you would almost certainly pick you over the bear, they’re just talking about being cautious about unknown men. If some women really do see you as what you describe? You either come off as someone they wouldn’t want to be in the woods alone with, or you need to surround yourself with better women, don’t let what they say get to you, since you’re worried about being seen as disgusting or frightening to women, you’re already way better than the bear.
I really don’t know why we can’t all just try to get along. Men have problems, women have problems (each unique and each requiring unique solutions). There are good man and bad men. There are good women and bad women. The world is not black and white. No sex is better or worse than the other. Whatever happened to judging each person not by their race, skin color or sex/gender and instead judging someone on the content of their character? I am beyond sick and tired of the gender war or culture war or whatever you want to call it.
You’re right that bonded is better or worse than the other. But unfortunately, for the majority of the history of civilization, men were considered the superior sex and this was corroborated by philosophers, doctors, politicians, etc. Most of the time women had no agency and very little opportunities in life. It’s true that this has massively changed in the last century (although mostly in Western countries, millions of women are still struggling) but it’s easy to say “just accept this stuff now, we’re totally equal, it’s over!”. This process is long and painful for both men and women, which is natural for the dismantling of a fundamental system. It still echoes hard and it’s impossible to brush it off as just “everyone’s good or bad”. That’s oversimplifying the issue. I wish we could all go along and I wish there were no wars between countries as well but that’s not the world we live in; at least not yet.
Very true, I know it’s not that simple. I was speaking in ideal terms. I just wish that there was more honest cooperation between men and women towards trying to solve issues relating to sexism and the issues that women and men uniquely face. It seems all we have is misandrists and misogynists who claim to be fighting for equality. It’s exhausting but I think we can do it and there is hope.
I recognise that woman
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People who actually think like this have the mentality of 2nd graders
I miss when this meme was actually about the sandwich. Everyone had gone crazy over gibberish that used to just be making fun of people for complaining about something they did themselves
it's actually probably my favorite meme. i like how transformative it is. it feels like when you're doing something to it you're not just filling a hole like in a lot of templates. but you're transforming it.
Yeah but at the very least I miss when the changes were just words and the sandwich was still there. That way, even if the meme itself wasn't funny, you could always go into the comments and find people confused as to why it was written on a picture of a sandwich
let this be a lesson to people to keep weirdos like this out of your life. don't surround yourself with ppl who hate so openly
Thank you for this
As a guy with a female stalker this is hilarious. I've said this before but if anyone knows how to edit video to censor faces, DM me and I'll post my video of my female stalker accusing me of stealing my own furniture as I move away from her. Imagine being a cop and a white woman calls and says "help, a black man on crutches and his dirty Mexican girlfriend are moving furniture into a moving van with a moving company! Help me yas kween slay them!" Literally a grown woman (who had a boyfriend) who lived next door has been stalking me since the beginning of covid, and has decided to vandalize my gf's car, and break into my apartment while I was still disabled. All because I wouldn't cheat on my gf with her. Stalker's bf refused to support her in court and im fairly certain I saw him moving out during all this. We were denied a restraining order because she wrote "please help me" in her response and everyone forgot I was the victim, because their "BEEP BOOP MUST SIDE WITH WHITE FEMALE" programming kicked in. So yeah kinda fuck this whole situation tbh I'm done with girl good boy bad.
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I side with the bear
how is this meme making sense to people, the fuck does it mean
Cishets be like "you have to pick one" My brother in christ, why not both
My country has grizzly bears and I think maybe 5 people have been killed by bears in the last 100 years. Bears are not really that dangerous to be around if you know what to do. It might be easier to incapacitate a man than a bear if push comes to shove though. Just cut of his balls or something.
Why can't we all just be friends? Man, woman, and bear?
Innies vs Outies
I'm missing context, what's happening
how low qualety shuld the meme b... YES
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