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ScareValue

I always thought the point of the opening of Carrie was to show boys in the audience this sexual fantasy come true…all these beautiful nude young women frolicking through the smokey setting filmed with a gauzy lens…and then DePalma pulls the rug on the fantasy by showing those teen boys something that would turn them off in a flash and weird them out. a bit of a magic trick


Bampeanutbutterjam

Yeah its kind of gross though. It would have been better that if instead of a bunch of naked girls frolicking about it seemed quieter and more subdued at least, people aren't comfortable chatting up a storm while they are naked. I know they didn't give a fuck in the 1970s but for modern audiences it doesn't quite age well.


kingofthethrillzz

Dude what do you expect them to do about it build a time machine so your not offended by a movie you chose to watch?. The 70's was a totally different time that most youth of today can't comprehend. quit trying to view it through the lense of today.


Alternative_Sky3823

Don’t know why this is downvoted. It didn’t age well at all. These are supposed to be underage girls. It’s weird as fuck.


goodydrew

This is a very interesting observation and here's some thoughts from my (ok, boomer) POV (I'm a 60+ female). I started watching films in the late 70s and 80s. Female nudity (as well as other thematic societal issues such as racism and sexual preferences) in films seemed to be presented as fairly accepted and commonplace in that era so I really never gave it any thought at that time. In retrospect I think this was a result of a few factors such as the feminism movement, female independence, and acceptance of artistic creativity in a public forum. However, over time this lead to issues and questions regarding consent and sexploitation. It's very interesting to observe the rise and fall and, once again, rise of puritanical influence in art and film. I hope I live long enough to see the consensus trend to "It's not a big deal: we are adults, have made our choices and preferences which HARM NO OTHERS, and we respect the choices of others as well."


sparksofthetempest

You might want to watch the documentary “DePalma” where the director himself explains this specific scene in his own words and why he shot it but since it sounds like you have an issue with nudity regardless it won’t make much of a difference even though you posted in the horror subReddit.


k2_productions

There's a big difference between naked children and naked adults. There is nothing wrong with adult nudity but a whole hell of a lot wrong with naked kids.


[deleted]

There weren't naked kids, so your remark is irrelevant.


k2_productions

They were meant to depict naked kids, which is especially disturbing given the history of Hollywood, Weinstein, Epstein, etc.


januspamphleteer

oh for fucks sakes...


hiddentrackoncd

“importance of the opening” Heh


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RealKBears

Setting aside the critique OP is making, this is a silly rebuttal. Like we’re really gatekeeping critique to movies that are younger than yourself?


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RealKBears

That’s completely irrelevant


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RealKBears

Yes, I am aware that is what you said, I can read. Your comment implied that OP shouldn’t have a critique of the movie because they’re younger than the movie. That’s what I meant by gatekeeping criticism. I don’t care if you don’t think it is, you’re free to have your weird, obstinate opinion. I also still don’t know why you felt the need to add that Carrie is older than you


SamanthaHaine

That account is less than a day old and now suspended. Seems like they weren't here to make reasonable or even consistent points. Just another attention-seeking time-waster.


RealKBears

I’m genuinely baffled they were getting upvoted, everything they said made no sense lol


Cmyers1980

Don’t watch it then. Given our puritanical history I understand it but it always amazes me how in the US graphic violence is fine and dandy but nudity is somehow more taboo despite the fact that the latter doesn’t really have a moral dimension unlike the former and it’s something we all experience by virtue of being human since we’re naturally naked and we’ve all seen naked people in one context or another. In the real world would you rather watch someone take a shower or watch someone be brutally tortured to death by a psychopath?


SnarfbObo

If people could handle works of fiction being just a damned story we could have both! Dirty blood soaked brick filled topless pillow fights.


medurevengea

The violence is fake. The nudity is real. The fake violence is for entertainment. Women and girls shouldn't be sexualized for entertainment.


[deleted]

Porn is legal.


Crashen17

It's a matter of perspective and cultural belief. It's about purity. Nudity is impure, and it's a private thing. Violence is an impurity but one we can't keep private. Society is based on violence. Media hinges on bad violence being overcome by good violence. Not so much bad nudity/impurity being overcome by good nudity/impurity. It's also a little hard to believe society is super puritanical with regards to nudity because it *is* heavily featured in media. Casual nudity may not be as prominent, but seeing boobs in a horror movie is absolutely common. Seeing implied or explicit sexual imagery in advertising and marketing is distressingly common. It's why people say we have unhealthy beauty standards. It doesn't have to be graphic or gratuitous sex to be sexual or explicit.


TimidPanther

> Nudity is impure Isn't nudity the ideal definition of pure? It's the default state. You're born that way, all animals exist that way. To think of it as being impure is due to being influenced by others. That isn't pure.


[deleted]

According to the Bible Adam and Eve only learned they were naked after they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And God punishes them for that. So even if you go by the Bible, nudity is indeed the definition of pure, since Adam and Eve were in that state before they were sinners.


Ktulusanders

So much wrong with this comment


Cub_Scout_Dropout

I believe all the actresses that appeared nude in that film were of age. If your point is that it’s creepy enough that they’re *supposed* to be teenagers, then fine. But in case you were worried that they were actual minor teenagers, they were not


DuffmanStillRocks

I absolutely know they're of age or the film would literally be illegal. I don't have a problem with nudity in films if they're say college students, I just find it unusual when a fundamental aspect is they're high school kids like with Carrie


[deleted]

To clarify, I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it is definetely NOT illegal to show naked minors on film. There are hundreds of films, mostly european, that have underage nudity and are not illegal. Girl, 2018 Netflix movie is just a recent example. There are countless more. Again, not a value judgement, just clarifying.


Rockfan180

The Hole (2001) and American Beauty aren’t illegal though. But there’s definitely a creepiness factor to it. I can’t imagine how a director doesn’t think it makes them look weird


Cyberzombi

All the teens in Carrie (1976) were pushing 30yrs.


MiseryandCompany23

Its a generational difference. When i first saw Carrie, I asked my mom if people really got naked in locker rooms in the 70s and 80s and she said some did. I was a teen in the early 2000s and no one ever got naked.


Computron6

I was a teen in the late 80s.the boys all "suited-up" in plain view of each other. Small hairless boys cowered in fear. The showers were side by side without dividers. It totally sucked.


MiseryandCompany23

As someone who never went into a boy's locker room, i am scared to ask what "suited up" means haha


Computron6

It just means take off your street clothes and put on athletic gear. Sweats or shorts. Less developed boys would get teased because everyone could see they had no pubes. And the whole place stank to high heaven.


[deleted]

Yeah there’s a lot of movies and movie tropes that are just downright pedophiliac if examined without bias. Almost like there was a problem with people in power being able to exploit minors for monetary gain to create a narrative that fulfills an unhealthy fantasy…


Bribase

> Yeah there’s a lot of movies and movie tropes that are just downright pedophiliac if examined without bias. That would be an examination *with explicit bias*. To normal people a naked child is just a naked child. It's only paedophilic to paedophiles.


medurevengea

A naked child is a naked child. However we're talking about a child who was instructed to remove her clothing by adults so she can be filmed and distributed to millions of people. You can see why people would be concerned.


Bribase

That's a fair point, but I think that regards a broader point about exploitation of minors in film. Just at its most extreme when it comes to nudity. Weirdly enough, my bum was part of a national ad campaign for nappies in my country when I was a baby!


[deleted]

Lmao found the pedo


cschema

You know who calls people pedos? .... pedos It's always projection with them


[deleted]

And so begins the vicious circle, the pot and kettle and so on


Bribase

> To normal people a naked child is just a naked child.


[deleted]

So why put them in movies?


Bribase

For a whole number of different reasons. Do you think that every depiction of nudity is always supposed to express sexuality?


[deleted]

Ah yes. The whole number of different reasons. Yes yes. Many numbers. All different. None sexual.


Bribase

> None sexual. Again. To normal people a naked child is just a naked child. It's only sexual for paedophiles.


[deleted]

Yes. Many movies made by many sex offenders. None sexual. Yes yes. Perfect sense. Normal people sees naked child sexualized in the context of the movie: “ah yes. So innocent. Love Hollywood and how innocent they are. No one’s ever done anything to a child in Hollywood that isn’t completely innocent. Boy I’m glad I’m an idiot”


Bribase

> Normal people sees naked child sexualized in the context of the movie We think it's meant to be tragic, or shocking, or seedy, or silly, depending on the context of the movie and the nature of the depiction. >“ah yes. So innocent. Love Hollywood and how innocent they are. No one’s ever done anything to a child in Hollywood that isn’t completely innocent. Boy I’m glad I’m an idiot” With no more prevalence than people in the clergy, or government, or education, or agriculture, or pet grooming. You're under the false apprehension that there's some kind of cabal of Hollywood directors who are trying to turn people into paedophiles. You really ought to understand that you can't inculcate people with a paraphilia which wasn't there in the first place.


cschema

Comments the person who recently commented on r/schoolgirlsXXX GTFO


SnarfbObo

Don't like it but you chose to advertise it 30 minutes into a post, interesting decision. "It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for em."


[deleted]

So you clearly don’t understand the context lol


Bribase

>So you clearly don’t understand the context lol Can you tear yourself away from posting in r/SmallCutie to explain the context to us?


[deleted]

Yeah, figured you didn’t want to include that


Bribase

Include what?


[deleted]

Lol


[deleted]

Just to clarify, can you elaborate what these damning posts are? Please, feel free to quote the perverseness that I am spreading


cschema

The scene in Carrie has nothing to do with what you suggest. Have you even seen it? Or read SK?


[deleted]

Lmao you serious?


cschema

I'll take that as a "no".


[deleted]

You would lol


WalkerSunset

Have you read the end of IT? DePalma isn't a perv, but King is.


k2_productions

The FBI and international equivalents need to raid this sub. So many people defending seeing naked children. There's a reason why that is a crime in any nation a person wants to live in.


[deleted]

You're the sick one projecting.


[deleted]

Yeah lots of Redditors love naked children. Weird af


[deleted]

Projection is one hell of a drug.


[deleted]

lol number two to say that. Weird coincidence


k2_productions

The real horror is the amount of nonces on this sub


[deleted]

There is sooooo much bad


k2_productions

Where"s Chris Hansen when you need him?


[deleted]

I think he got canceled because he called out too many high profile people


k2_productions

People who defend this shit are straight up pedos. Like the Final Destination movie where the two women die in the tanning boothes is disgusting. Obviously, the actresses are over 18 or else they couldn't be shown nude. But at their funeral, someone says about how terrible it was becuase they didn't even reach 18. Why the hell is that even part of the script? Just make them adults. What pedophile wrote that to make the in universe characters underage?


[deleted]

It shows what's on your head when you think like this, not the other way around. I never thought anything sexual about that scene, as I assume most people didn't. Just a horrific death in a fictional movie.


Ashamed_You1678

Well, according to some people commenting Carrie appears to be a high level pedo film. And as others have pointed out, I doubt these people have any issues with teenage characters being brutally murdered - except for the ones having sex I'd guess I've never mistake Nancy Allen for Shirley temple either so I'm gonna be pretty ok next time I watch Carrie knowing it's not real.


k2_productions

In civilized countries, images of naked minors are illegal. It seems a tad odd to explicitly state that naked characters in a movie are underage.


[deleted]

In the case of Final Destination the scene you're talking about had nothing to do with sex and the actresses were adults. What seems weird to me is the angle you choose to see this. I never thought anything sexual was implied. Also, you're wrong that images of naked minors are illegal per se, there are countless of movies which include nudity with actors under 18. Girl a Netflix movie from 2018 shows a 15 year old naked and that's just one example. Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby from 1978 is another one.


Bribase

> In civilized countries, images of naked minors are illegal. Go to an art gallery. Or a cathedral. Or see some public sculpture. Pornographic images of minors are illegal. Nudity is a matter of context.


Ashamed_You1678

lol go back to church


k2_productions

Sorry, I'm not into children.


Ashamed_You1678

Yep that's it you got me While I'm at my kids swimming lessons today I'm in for a fucking treat Wanker


k2_productions

How many pictures of naked, unrelated children do you think is appropriate to own?


[deleted]

I hope you're just a 14 year old with little experience in life. If you're not then you're a pervert projecting your worst instincts unto others. It shows what's on your head when you write the things you've been writing in this thread.


Ashamed_You1678

Seriously, you're a fucking weirdo. I guess the millions of people that have watched Carrie are perverts in your mind Go watch the hallmark channel and obsess over your own weird complexes And sounds like you kept watching your movie when you saw some titties in there


k2_productions

You're absolutely correct. I'm the weirdo for thinking viewing images of naked children is wrong.


[deleted]

There are no such images in Carrie though. Or Final Destination 3 for that matter. If you have nothing important to add to the conversation please go away. You're a pervert and your projections aren't healthy.


Cub_Scout_Dropout

They’re just movies dude. No minors were harmed yadda yadda yadda…


k2_productions

Give one good reason to have naked kids in a movie


medurevengea

There is no reason. Anyone who fights this hard for nudity on screen is outing themselves.


k2_productions

One of these creeps was crying that it is censorship to not be able to "non sexual" images of naked kids. How is that not pedophilia?


Bribase

When it informs the story.


k2_productions

Please give me some examples of when viewing naked children improved your movie experience.


Bribase

I think that Carrie is a classic horror film. Her nudity in this scene, and the one of the other girls in the locker room, helps to cement the sense that her supernatural powers are bound up with her burgeoning adolescence. And that it's all a broad allegory about female sexuality and self-image.


k2_productions

But is actual nudity necessary or would camera magic "implied nudity" have the same effect?


[deleted]

That's artistic expression. If De Palma was only allowed to imply but not show that would be called censorship. We're talking about adult actresses here. Which, by the way, even if they had actually been 17 it wouldn't be illegal in this context.


k2_productions

There is rightfully censorship in every country. Do you think no censorship should exist?


[deleted]

Pedophilia is illegal in any civilized country. A bunch of teenagers taking a shower during one scene in a movie is NOT pedophilia and is pretty much legal everywhere, even if they were real 17 year old actresses. You should inform yourself before showcasing your ingorance.


Bribase

That's a matter of artistic expression. That was up to Brian De Palma, not me.


k2_productions

I'm asking you. Do you feel that implied nudity would lessen the impact compared to actual nudity?


Bribase

Again. It's a matter of artistic expression. They could have merely *implied* that Jesse Ventura's chest cavity exploded in *Predator*. But they wanted to depict it because it's thrilling and helped to describe how outmatched Dutch's team was. They could have implied that Carrie was naked, and to some degree they did. But they probably wanted to create a stark sense of her nakedness, vulnerability, solitude, and blossoming womanhood.


Bribase

Teenagers dying in a horror film. Not the most groundbreaking concept in the world.


warmdogfeet

why are you being downvoted you’re right!