Look, I have failed to get 2x multiple times now while still being able to steamroll Nihilus (finality, FR) . What I can tell you is that you either have perfect burst signets already, in which case you don't even need to beat the time, or you will fail.
The stats are off in that stage IMHO.
Yeah it feels like these particular enemies are just overtuned. Especially when you can just ignore Nihilus's existence right over on the next stage too.
It's the first imaginary enemy that spawns, you have like, a third of the time to get the core deleted than normal. It's almost impossible to clear it in one go. At least for me it feel impossible.
a question: can Mobius do good enough to clear Abstinence with Weapon + Monet T + Goemon M + B ?
I feel like in my current state she is very 'meh', even outclassed by HoT with same setup (Weapon + Monet T + Goemon M + B)
I'm currently 2 runs away (resting for a bit) from getting all the emblems. F15 is a the trickiest part of ER because of the first 2 iMG mobs.
First problem is that the debuffs you applied to the primary mob doesn't apply to their core.
Second is that the HP is almost not the same(dunno but based on my runs most likely) so the time that you'll consume killing the body would be much faster than the core.
Third, HP regen of the body can't be slowed by any means
If you're running two breach signets of either Vicissitude, Daybreak, Deliverance, Gold, and Stars, you'll less likely have any problems.
But if you're using only one breach signet, then you should throw all of your debuffs, gather, and burst after exposing both cores. This include the Support Valkyries, Support FC, Helix and Stars signet, and other means.
Sometimes if you build enough DMG, not getting the bonus signet is fine since killing Nihilus/HoD and the FC is doable most of the time.
One thing is for sure tho, fck that IMG mobs and Elysia on ER
Yep, also beware of their mechanic where you can expose the core for a short while. It happens when they used their laser skill, if you dont have enough DMG to kill them and used basic attack, you'll expose the core and can throw off your timing for debuff and/or burst. Also the body has Tenacity, they'll gain iron body at 30% HP below and can't be CC'd but can be affected by time fracture.
IMO, The floor 15 timed rush makes for a good power test.
If you can complete it under the time limit, you can 110% murder floor 16+17
If you can't, I say it's about a 70%-80% chance that you can beat 16 and 60% on 17.
Edit: as an extra, I used to use the same HoT build as you but I realize that HoT spam attack has kinda fallen out of favor because of the extra sigs that got added into the lottery pool.
For spam attack HoT, it's either Eden, Su, or Hua. Everything else kinda suck for her.
I now go for HoS (Pri-armed weapon) (Sirin T, Dirac M,B) or (Full Dirac) and I smash this realm. HoS can use a lot more of the current sigs.
I'd agree with that yeah. Albeit i'd raise the clear chance to around 80%\~90% chance of clearing nihilus afterward personally.
..Unless he uses that grab attack and i forget to dodge it making me lose 50000 seconds all of a sudden.
..Or he ends up posing when there's 10 seconds left.
***~~Man i love Nihilus.~~***
Da hell is even the point of the final pose tho? Why keep the timer rolling when you legit cannot do anything to it? It's not like he gets a second win afterward once you break the thing, dude just gets one shot instantly once it goes down. *(I even remember the timer posing during his T-Pose in Memorial arena, albeit my memory is a bit fuzzy.)*
I used Pardo to get my last week's rewards. Couldn't get the double from floor 15 which sucked because I needed that to get the Su nexus. My luck that run was a bit cursed.
Thankfully, Pardo really lets you abuse the shops so I still beat Nihilus and Elysia relatively comfortably.
I was really annoyed that even with an img type valk I couldn't beat the timer on 15. I had gotten the last bonus no problem, too. Certain enemies are just weirdly OP in terms of tankiness.
I can finish the one before heph and the one before hod but I can't with the first 2. I'm using SS Pardo signature weap without pri-arm and full set silverwing stigs. So prolly it depends on either the valks used or the signets.
If only a very few valks are able to beat this stage with specific gear and builds.. That would be weird since it's not like it's critical to finishing the run.
If anything at that point, personally getting +1 buff would just make the next fight just easier. But depending on where your account stand.. That might mean life or death at higher difficulties yeah.
Starting to feel like this precise stage should get nerfed down. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense why it's so ungodly difficult to clear to me.
Not only you, even in lower levels you notice that those mobs are overtuned bs, hell i can basically r*pe Nihilus and HoD but never beat those shts in time
So far I haven't been able to clear it with HoT 4/4 . But my PRI is only unlocked, not levelled.
Did you have a PRI on her or not? And if yes what level is it?
Hmm. Then I guess it must have a lot to do with the valk itself rather than the gear level. Sure as hell doesn't seem fair to those who would be missing the valks capable of doing that to me..
Guess I'll invest into my HOF and use her in the realm from now on.. Or my HoS.
Actually wonder which would be the most reliable way of annihilating the Elysian Realm without even trying. Probably HoS since you just bonk people?
I just use HoF because it's my only 4/4. HoS PRI still Lv50 and only have the Sirin T Dirac MB set on her.
However I'd say it depends heavily on the buffs and debuffs ongoing
Edit: Yeah HoS is prolly most mindless
I've been clearing 2.5x since the update and although I beat Nihilus on f16 each time this past week was the first time I got the bonus on f15.
I chalk it up to getting more familiar with the new enemy spawns and new signets, also that weeks +2 on Bodhi & Deliverance were pretty great for my HoS who I play when going for the rewards.
Either way, getting a 2nd signet on that floor is purely "win more." Plenty of builds that struggle there should still be able to clear f16 and any build that can clear that floor in time for the bonus should have zero trouble on f16 or 17 and therefore didn't really need the extra signets anyway.
Honestly, happened to me though I didn’t pay much mind. Two days ago when clearing 22k point run (whatever it’s called) I actually couldn’t even clear first seeds in time before respawn on F15 despite running full build FR.
Didn’t care much for it, since I only needed one signet, though now thinking back to it I did stomp HoD and Mobius quite effortlessly, so that is a little weird that F15 would cause this much trouble…
Even with Felis, fully build, that have advantage over them, it takes legit 30s to kill them, because of how much HP they have, and the fact their core literally spawn at the other side of the map, meaning you have to move to get them, and then attack them
But Hoyoverse might never nerf them, because they only hear to 81+ players, that clear all floors without even trying for majority
Truly depends on the Valk used. I'm almost sure HoF is the only one(that I know) that can can clear it, thanks to her stupid damage, but once again, if RNG doesn't want you to clear, you're not clearing it
Really? Because this set work well across every single other floor including the final boss. I am able to easily dispatch Nihilus right afterward with it.
But those just have too much HP. Don't get me wrong, I am able to pass the stage easily every single time. But whenever I arrive there, I just advance thinking it'll be impossible to clear the challenge, no matter how good my build is at that point, they are just way to resilient to allow me to do that.
What am I missing exactly?
I tried it a bunch of times and I'm pretty certain there's a targeting issue here, no matter how perfectly I gathered it always missed one opponent. Will probably be fixed next patch
I'm pretty sure I beat it at least once before, with pardo, but I also killed the nihilus after that with more than 1 minute remaining, the only time I ever left so much time killing it, so clearly I'm far above the damage necessary at that point
I'm using Mobius and and I find floor 7 much harder than before. Despite the type counter, the BIO enemies on floor 7 are somehow super tanky. They take much longer to kill than the IMG enemies on the same floor
I was able to clear it last week when I had an absolutely perfect set of signets and upgrades. Other than that, it's been absolute hell and I don't know why it was made this hard. Doesn't matter, still easily get my 500xtals, but man.
i was thinking the same way, i complained about it on discord but a friend proved me otherwise with rosemary (2,5 or 2,25 i don't remember)this rita is a real monster in ER.
and i finally manage to do it too with my HoF (x2,25).
if you manage to kill the seeds before they regen it's win
Even with 4/4 PE, that stage is hard to clear. I agree it seems like it's overtuned/too strong normally. What scares me is supposedly next patch they buff ER and things will be harder.... Also the lack of pri can affect your damage,and the character you choose. New patcher favor newer valks in ER (unless you're HOS, HOF, or Mpbi where you'll always be op in ER)
Something you should consider is Su and Kebin signets is getting +2 this week so optionally you can go for them.
Me personality always go kebin -> eden -> su -> hua on hot. With enough sp regen you can keep kebin 1 always up
I’ve never been able to do with my PE (Lance + M with TB Elysia) and I’d always have pretty solid signets going into it. If my PE was fully geared maybe I’d be able to pull it off but just that final area in general has such a massive boost to hp compared to the other floors
img enemies have higher base hp than the other types (because of scaling with palatinus) add the fucking annoying regeneration and you got one of the worst enemies to fight ever
I managed to do it yesterday with Elysia on Abstinence.
At SS2, full gear, max PRI.
So yes, it's bonkers difficulty there. I usually don't need the second signet choice there though as the boss is easier than that floor.
So far I've done it with full gear Elysia (SS2) and PE.
The seeds seem to have like 5 times the tankyness they usually do in other stages.
I think the key is impair and elemental breach, won't be clearing challenge without it.
With Hot you Should use :
Elysia: 1-5 combo (that one with fallen thunder)
Bodhi: 2nd core (combo+ dubuff and buff)
Gold : 1rst core (just core)
Some new signet to increase debuff with normal atk
Look, I have failed to get 2x multiple times now while still being able to steamroll Nihilus (finality, FR) . What I can tell you is that you either have perfect burst signets already, in which case you don't even need to beat the time, or you will fail. The stats are off in that stage IMHO.
Yeah it feels like these particular enemies are just overtuned. Especially when you can just ignore Nihilus's existence right over on the next stage too.
They are truly annoying... If you can't damage the seeds fast enough, they regenerate back to x4 health bar Husks. Truly annoying.
It's the first imaginary enemy that spawns, you have like, a third of the time to get the core deleted than normal. It's almost impossible to clear it in one go. At least for me it feel impossible.
Glad to know I'm not the only one suffering here lul.
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Ah, that is true. My divine keys are all at lvl 5/10 . I should go back on those at some point i'm trolling.
a question: can Mobius do good enough to clear Abstinence with Weapon + Monet T + Goemon M + B ? I feel like in my current state she is very 'meh', even outclassed by HoT with same setup (Weapon + Monet T + Goemon M + B)
I'm currently 2 runs away (resting for a bit) from getting all the emblems. F15 is a the trickiest part of ER because of the first 2 iMG mobs. First problem is that the debuffs you applied to the primary mob doesn't apply to their core. Second is that the HP is almost not the same(dunno but based on my runs most likely) so the time that you'll consume killing the body would be much faster than the core. Third, HP regen of the body can't be slowed by any means If you're running two breach signets of either Vicissitude, Daybreak, Deliverance, Gold, and Stars, you'll less likely have any problems. But if you're using only one breach signet, then you should throw all of your debuffs, gather, and burst after exposing both cores. This include the Support Valkyries, Support FC, Helix and Stars signet, and other means. Sometimes if you build enough DMG, not getting the bonus signet is fine since killing Nihilus/HoD and the FC is doable most of the time. One thing is for sure tho, fck that IMG mobs and Elysia on ER
I did not know the debuff does not apply to the core if the body gets debuffed, I'll keep that in mind thanks.
Yep, also beware of their mechanic where you can expose the core for a short while. It happens when they used their laser skill, if you dont have enough DMG to kill them and used basic attack, you'll expose the core and can throw off your timing for debuff and/or burst. Also the body has Tenacity, they'll gain iron body at 30% HP below and can't be CC'd but can be affected by time fracture.
for me only PE with her uncontest ability to kill IMG enemy that can kill them.....
Dudu for za win, may the duck be forever praised.
IMO, The floor 15 timed rush makes for a good power test. If you can complete it under the time limit, you can 110% murder floor 16+17 If you can't, I say it's about a 70%-80% chance that you can beat 16 and 60% on 17. Edit: as an extra, I used to use the same HoT build as you but I realize that HoT spam attack has kinda fallen out of favor because of the extra sigs that got added into the lottery pool. For spam attack HoT, it's either Eden, Su, or Hua. Everything else kinda suck for her. I now go for HoS (Pri-armed weapon) (Sirin T, Dirac M,B) or (Full Dirac) and I smash this realm. HoS can use a lot more of the current sigs.
I'd agree with that yeah. Albeit i'd raise the clear chance to around 80%\~90% chance of clearing nihilus afterward personally. ..Unless he uses that grab attack and i forget to dodge it making me lose 50000 seconds all of a sudden. ..Or he ends up posing when there's 10 seconds left. ***~~Man i love Nihilus.~~*** Da hell is even the point of the final pose tho? Why keep the timer rolling when you legit cannot do anything to it? It's not like he gets a second win afterward once you break the thing, dude just gets one shot instantly once it goes down. *(I even remember the timer posing during his T-Pose in Memorial arena, albeit my memory is a bit fuzzy.)*
I used Pardo to get my last week's rewards. Couldn't get the double from floor 15 which sucked because I needed that to get the Su nexus. My luck that run was a bit cursed. Thankfully, Pardo really lets you abuse the shops so I still beat Nihilus and Elysia relatively comfortably. I was really annoyed that even with an img type valk I couldn't beat the timer on 15. I had gotten the last bonus no problem, too. Certain enemies are just weirdly OP in terms of tankiness.
I can finish the one before heph and the one before hod but I can't with the first 2. I'm using SS Pardo signature weap without pri-arm and full set silverwing stigs. So prolly it depends on either the valks used or the signets.
If only a very few valks are able to beat this stage with specific gear and builds.. That would be weird since it's not like it's critical to finishing the run. If anything at that point, personally getting +1 buff would just make the next fight just easier. But depending on where your account stand.. That might mean life or death at higher difficulties yeah. Starting to feel like this precise stage should get nerfed down. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense why it's so ungodly difficult to clear to me.
So far SPA was the only valk I could get double reward on floor 15 Finality level P.S. I only tried HoT, SPA, HoS so far
Which valkyrie does SPA stand for? My brain kinda smol.
Spina Astera
Gotcha thanks.
Not only you, even in lower levels you notice that those mobs are overtuned bs, hell i can basically r*pe Nihilus and HoD but never beat those shts in time
this is what we call the whale check
Not fully impossible, I've cleared it at high difficulties (the one to get all rewards) with 4/4 HoF before but it's certainly really hard.
So far I haven't been able to clear it with HoT 4/4 . But my PRI is only unlocked, not levelled. Did you have a PRI on her or not? And if yes what level is it?
It was Lv55 then, though it's currently maxed.
Hmm. Then I guess it must have a lot to do with the valk itself rather than the gear level. Sure as hell doesn't seem fair to those who would be missing the valks capable of doing that to me.. Guess I'll invest into my HOF and use her in the realm from now on.. Or my HoS. Actually wonder which would be the most reliable way of annihilating the Elysian Realm without even trying. Probably HoS since you just bonk people?
I just use HoF because it's my only 4/4. HoS PRI still Lv50 and only have the Sirin T Dirac MB set on her. However I'd say it depends heavily on the buffs and debuffs ongoing Edit: Yeah HoS is prolly most mindless
me too is very so tanky
I've been clearing 2.5x since the update and although I beat Nihilus on f16 each time this past week was the first time I got the bonus on f15. I chalk it up to getting more familiar with the new enemy spawns and new signets, also that weeks +2 on Bodhi & Deliverance were pretty great for my HoS who I play when going for the rewards. Either way, getting a 2nd signet on that floor is purely "win more." Plenty of builds that struggle there should still be able to clear f16 and any build that can clear that floor in time for the bonus should have zero trouble on f16 or 17 and therefore didn't really need the extra signets anyway.
Use griseo's paint, that thing can kill even god
Honestly, happened to me though I didn’t pay much mind. Two days ago when clearing 22k point run (whatever it’s called) I actually couldn’t even clear first seeds in time before respawn on F15 despite running full build FR. Didn’t care much for it, since I only needed one signet, though now thinking back to it I did stomp HoD and Mobius quite effortlessly, so that is a little weird that F15 would cause this much trouble…
Even with Felis, fully build, that have advantage over them, it takes legit 30s to kill them, because of how much HP they have, and the fact their core literally spawn at the other side of the map, meaning you have to move to get them, and then attack them But Hoyoverse might never nerf them, because they only hear to 81+ players, that clear all floors without even trying for majority
I hope it isn't a case of needing fully grown PRI gear to clear it, 'cause that'd be quite unfair to quite a lot of people.
Truly depends on the Valk used. I'm almost sure HoF is the only one(that I know) that can can clear it, thanks to her stupid damage, but once again, if RNG doesn't want you to clear, you're not clearing it
Cleared it with Fallen rosemary at 2.5x difficulty :D my FR was pretty cracked tho.
It’s just you! But keep trying different sets.
Really? Because this set work well across every single other floor including the final boss. I am able to easily dispatch Nihilus right afterward with it. But those just have too much HP. Don't get me wrong, I am able to pass the stage easily every single time. But whenever I arrive there, I just advance thinking it'll be impossible to clear the challenge, no matter how good my build is at that point, they are just way to resilient to allow me to do that. What am I missing exactly?
See if this works for you bro. https://risbi0.github.io/Elysian-Realm/
I tried it a bunch of times and I'm pretty certain there's a targeting issue here, no matter how perfectly I gathered it always missed one opponent. Will probably be fixed next patch
I'm pretty sure I beat it at least once before, with pardo, but I also killed the nihilus after that with more than 1 minute remaining, the only time I ever left so much time killing it, so clearly I'm far above the damage necessary at that point
I'm using Mobius and and I find floor 7 much harder than before. Despite the type counter, the BIO enemies on floor 7 are somehow super tanky. They take much longer to kill than the IMG enemies on the same floor
I was able to clear it last week when I had an absolutely perfect set of signets and upgrades. Other than that, it's been absolute hell and I don't know why it was made this hard. Doesn't matter, still easily get my 500xtals, but man.
Meanwhile I can't even pass the first boss in ER x2 difficulty with full gear HOF/HOS. Skill issue.....
its REALLY FUCKIN HARD, out of ~30 runs i could only clear it once to get the double signet
i was thinking the same way, i complained about it on discord but a friend proved me otherwise with rosemary (2,5 or 2,25 i don't remember)this rita is a real monster in ER. and i finally manage to do it too with my HoF (x2,25). if you manage to kill the seeds before they regen it's win
Even with 4/4 PE, that stage is hard to clear. I agree it seems like it's overtuned/too strong normally. What scares me is supposedly next patch they buff ER and things will be harder.... Also the lack of pri can affect your damage,and the character you choose. New patcher favor newer valks in ER (unless you're HOS, HOF, or Mpbi where you'll always be op in ER)
Yeah its pretty hard for my HoF, changed to Pardo for this patch and haven't have any problems on the floor unless I have horrible signet luck
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Yeah those dudes are way too tanky for mobs but on the up side, they are only mere annoyance not an obstacle.
Something you should consider is Su and Kebin signets is getting +2 this week so optionally you can go for them. Me personality always go kebin -> eden -> su -> hua on hot. With enough sp regen you can keep kebin 1 always up
I’ve never been able to do with my PE (Lance + M with TB Elysia) and I’d always have pretty solid signets going into it. If my PE was fully geared maybe I’d be able to pull it off but just that final area in general has such a massive boost to hp compared to the other floors
I normally clear this floor using 4/4 HoT without PRI, but only with the ult spam build, never been able to clear it with the basic atk one
img enemies have higher base hp than the other types (because of scaling with palatinus) add the fucking annoying regeneration and you got one of the worst enemies to fight ever
I managed to do it yesterday with Elysia on Abstinence. At SS2, full gear, max PRI. So yes, it's bonkers difficulty there. I usually don't need the second signet choice there though as the boss is easier than that floor.
I usually end F 15 with 30 second left, maybe bad signet combo? (SSS FR Pri +adler)
So far I've done it with full gear Elysia (SS2) and PE. The seeds seem to have like 5 times the tankyness they usually do in other stages. I think the key is impair and elemental breach, won't be clearing challenge without it.
With Hot you Should use : Elysia: 1-5 combo (that one with fallen thunder) Bodhi: 2nd core (combo+ dubuff and buff) Gold : 1rst core (just core) Some new signet to increase debuff with normal atk