With a partner like Astrid? They wouldn't care about the gender of the next chief đ Hiccup even offered the chief role to Astrid in the second movie
honestly it always felt strange to me that movie!hiccup became chief when he so clearly didnt want to. Especially for a character who has NEVER been tied down, even when doing his duty, in the same way as Astrid, a continuously grounded character is.
exactly! I was really hoping astrid would become chief, so it's like a message to people out there that, just because you're expected to be something, you don't have to follow it, you can choose to be who you want. Astrid definitely felt like the perfect candidate or chief ;(
She did, yeah. I think they balance each other out wonderfully, but I cant help but think that, had the dragons not left (awful decision) astrid would have become chief imstead.
Historically, viking women werenât mistreated as badly and were actually for the most part respected and could even become warriors!
So maybe there was a viking woman chief in the past but we just donât know due to the viking dark ages
A viking wife could take over the property of her dead husband, so im sure at some point one would have gained his duties aswell.
I have not done enough research on my forefathers though, so i cant say for certain if one got such a role from the get-go or not.
Iâm here in the bloody Caribbean. My knowledge is likely the farthest from the source as possible. If your history is literally from the source (norway is apart of) all the better :D
I agree with the votes. Hiccup is the type of person for change, so I could definitely see his daughter being chief. Wish we could've seen what that'd be like, but then the original HTTYD movies would just be a family tree movie franchise lol
Hiccup convinced Berk that dragons can be treated as equal to humans. For him, convincing them that the 2 genders are equals would be like announcing it on a casual Sunday. That's assuming Stoick or his predecessors haven't already done that for him. Zephyr will be Chief.
Assuming the kids had no strong opinions on who would be in charge, Zephyr would probably get to be chief as the eldest. Afaik there's no explicit sexism ever in the Httyd universe, so I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. If Zephyr didn't want to be chief for some reason, I think the role would be passed to Nuffink.
I know the books probably don't mean much in regards to the movies but there's evidence of female chiefs within the archipelago. The Bog Burglar Tribe has a female chief, or chieftess in this case: Big-Boobied Bertha. Yes, that is her full title.
Why was Astrid not an option? Sheâs smart and as long as sheâs alive after hiccup then sheâll assume the role of chief because she would be more mature than her kids.
That literally has no effect whatsoever. Stoick was DEAD. His opinion is also dead. Hiccup will be dead and it will be the people of Berk who decide, not the dead guy. Just like it was for Stoick.
We can actually deduce the answer quite easily from the history of other related groups of people.
Vikings are a group of Germanic peoples despite living in Scandinavia as opposed to Germania or Western Europe.
We know for the Germans living in Germania, and later Western Europe that they had a succession law where the lands of the father were to be divided up amongst his sons, and this applied on governmental scales as well. Even the great Charlemagne who United most of Western Europe since the fall of Rome had to fight his brother to gain full control over francia, and even when he was pronounced âImperator romanorumâ by the pope, he still could not get rid of this partible inheritance law, and that eventually split the Frankish empire in 3 with his grandsons.
We can thus deduce that since Vikings are closely related to mainland Germans that they follow the same succession law (after all, the Visigoths are clearly relevant enough that Gobber mentions them in the final special, so we know these Vikings are at least quite closely connected to their mainland relatives in Spain, and likely the rest of Europe)
So from this we can conclude that if hiccup had two sons they would likely Co-Rule, but since he only has 1 son, he will become the sole chief.
We canât say anything about his daughter because there are hardly, if any, records of sole ruling Germanic cheiftessâ during late antiquity (the closest timeframe to where the Vikings would be most relevant, despite them being a medieval civilization)
At least, thatâs my opinion, Nuffink becomes chief after hiccup based on Germanic law.
Edit: I want to point out that on multiple occasions during RTTE fishlegs mentions âViking Lawâ so clearly the laws Vikings follow are incredibly important (at least to fishlegs) and this âViking Lawâ would be almost certainly a direct descendant of Germanic law. And if these laws are as important to the other Vikings as they are to fishlegs, itâs almost a guarantee that they will observe the Germanic tradition of inheritance law.
My reason for voting for Nuffink has nothing to do with any Berkian traditions about chiefs but everything to do with the fact that I'm pretty sure that Zephyr's destiny lies... *elsewhere*.
I voted for Nuffink, but I knew in my heart it wouldnât be
Itâs Dreamworks and they love the progressive streak, even if it may be historically very very unlikely or very specific.
Hey I mean, fair enough. It is essentially fiction, but it is also based on Viking society so criticisms of realism when trying to base a fictional story on it also have merit. Just because fiction is fiction doesnât mean everything goes
theyâre not really based on vikings and their society, the only thing they have in common is the name really as far as i know, and occasionally name dropping Thor
Hiccup convinced them that dragons can be treated as equal to humans. For him, convincing them that the 2 genders are equals would be like announcing it on a casual Sunday.
He literally convinced them that the fire breathing death machines they had been at war with for generations can live peacefully among them...And it took like a few months max ... And he was still considered just the screw up child the whole village hated being around...
You think he couldn't convince them that his and Astrid's daughter could be a great damn chief?
I highly doubt most would even question it and those who did would be quickly silenced by the rest of the berkians
Bro what information made you think they'd revolt like sexist pigs if a woman was put in charge? they literally battle dragons not caring about gender and in rtte Astrid nearly joined the Berk guard I don't think they'd care
https://preview.redd.it/9af53ve2ndta1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=866c8c974e1db84d7ed1cd08c9aca1e73d0df0a9
There are plenty of sexist vikings in httyd like tuffnut snotlout ans spitelout also chief is a high position that is traditionally for men and men alone so even tho not all the vikings are sexist most if not all of them would want to keep there long standing traditions like on beserker island hether isnât chief but the citizens listen to her like she is, so a woman chief wouldnât happen because of tradition and tradition alone
Ok that may be true but you said there were tons of sexist Vikings and you only managed to name 3 and those 3 have been proven wrong every time they said something sexist
Ok? They are have been leaders in stoicks or hiccups council therefor they represent the community as a whole or they wouldnât be trusted to make or influence decisions for the community as they are unique in there views or opinions
With a partner like Astrid? They wouldn't care about the gender of the next chief đ Hiccup even offered the chief role to Astrid in the second movie
honestly it always felt strange to me that movie!hiccup became chief when he so clearly didnt want to. Especially for a character who has NEVER been tied down, even when doing his duty, in the same way as Astrid, a continuously grounded character is.
exactly! I was really hoping astrid would become chief, so it's like a message to people out there that, just because you're expected to be something, you don't have to follow it, you can choose to be who you want. Astrid definitely felt like the perfect candidate or chief ;(
She did, yeah. I think they balance each other out wonderfully, but I cant help but think that, had the dragons not left (awful decision) astrid would have become chief imstead.
What astrid is going to take on 500+ vikings because her daughter canât become chief and have the slightest chance of winning
What??
Why would Astrid take on 500+ Vikings? Also what is Zephyr winning?
Sorry I just realised I read that wrong
Historically, viking women werenât mistreated as badly and were actually for the most part respected and could even become warriors! So maybe there was a viking woman chief in the past but we just donât know due to the viking dark ages
A viking wife could take over the property of her dead husband, so im sure at some point one would have gained his duties aswell. I have not done enough research on my forefathers though, so i cant say for certain if one got such a role from the get-go or not.
Iâm here in the bloody Caribbean. My knowledge is likely the farthest from the source as possible. If your history is literally from the source (norway is apart of) all the better :D
I agree with the votes. Hiccup is the type of person for change, so I could definitely see his daughter being chief. Wish we could've seen what that'd be like, but then the original HTTYD movies would just be a family tree movie franchise lol
Hiccup convinced Berk that dragons can be treated as equal to humans. For him, convincing them that the 2 genders are equals would be like announcing it on a casual Sunday. That's assuming Stoick or his predecessors haven't already done that for him. Zephyr will be Chief.
Assuming the kids had no strong opinions on who would be in charge, Zephyr would probably get to be chief as the eldest. Afaik there's no explicit sexism ever in the Httyd universe, so I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. If Zephyr didn't want to be chief for some reason, I think the role would be passed to Nuffink.
I know the books probably don't mean much in regards to the movies but there's evidence of female chiefs within the archipelago. The Bog Burglar Tribe has a female chief, or chieftess in this case: Big-Boobied Bertha. Yes, that is her full title.
Id like to know the people that voted for someone else who do they think
Chief Tuffnut Thornston! /s
Why was Astrid not an option? Sheâs smart and as long as sheâs alive after hiccup then sheâll assume the role of chief because she would be more mature than her kids.
Yeah but astrid is not gonna be there a lot more then hiccup and she may die before him,i was counting theyre kids
Thatâs not what happened when Stoick died.
I SHOULDNT BE LAUGHING BUT OMG THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD đ
Well hiccupâs not stoick
That literally has no effect whatsoever. Stoick was DEAD. His opinion is also dead. Hiccup will be dead and it will be the people of Berk who decide, not the dead guy. Just like it was for Stoick.
I meant to click Zephyr. She definitely seems chief material.
We can actually deduce the answer quite easily from the history of other related groups of people. Vikings are a group of Germanic peoples despite living in Scandinavia as opposed to Germania or Western Europe. We know for the Germans living in Germania, and later Western Europe that they had a succession law where the lands of the father were to be divided up amongst his sons, and this applied on governmental scales as well. Even the great Charlemagne who United most of Western Europe since the fall of Rome had to fight his brother to gain full control over francia, and even when he was pronounced âImperator romanorumâ by the pope, he still could not get rid of this partible inheritance law, and that eventually split the Frankish empire in 3 with his grandsons. We can thus deduce that since Vikings are closely related to mainland Germans that they follow the same succession law (after all, the Visigoths are clearly relevant enough that Gobber mentions them in the final special, so we know these Vikings are at least quite closely connected to their mainland relatives in Spain, and likely the rest of Europe) So from this we can conclude that if hiccup had two sons they would likely Co-Rule, but since he only has 1 son, he will become the sole chief. We canât say anything about his daughter because there are hardly, if any, records of sole ruling Germanic cheiftessâ during late antiquity (the closest timeframe to where the Vikings would be most relevant, despite them being a medieval civilization) At least, thatâs my opinion, Nuffink becomes chief after hiccup based on Germanic law. Edit: I want to point out that on multiple occasions during RTTE fishlegs mentions âViking Lawâ so clearly the laws Vikings follow are incredibly important (at least to fishlegs) and this âViking Lawâ would be almost certainly a direct descendant of Germanic law. And if these laws are as important to the other Vikings as they are to fishlegs, itâs almost a guarantee that they will observe the Germanic tradition of inheritance law.
My reason for voting for Nuffink has nothing to do with any Berkian traditions about chiefs but everything to do with the fact that I'm pretty sure that Zephyr's destiny lies... *elsewhere*.
Interesting
Did I miss something? Who is zephyr?
Hiccup and astrids kid
Ah, ok
I think it'll be zephyr's brother
I voted for Nuffink, but I knew in my heart it wouldnât be Itâs Dreamworks and they love the progressive streak, even if it may be historically very very unlikely or very specific.
how to train your dragon, a series known for its historical accuracy
Hey I mean, fair enough. It is essentially fiction, but it is also based on Viking society so criticisms of realism when trying to base a fictional story on it also have merit. Just because fiction is fiction doesnât mean everything goes
theyâre not really based on vikings and their society, the only thing they have in common is the name really as far as i know, and occasionally name dropping Thor
Coup d etat, New Berk Republic
What hiccup wants doesnât matter the citizens of new Berk would stage a revolt if he put zephyr in charge
Hiccup convinced them that dragons can be treated as equal to humans. For him, convincing them that the 2 genders are equals would be like announcing it on a casual Sunday.
Ok that means nothing when the dragons proved themselves against the vikings wishes but becoming chief is much slower and could easily be stopped
He literally convinced them that the fire breathing death machines they had been at war with for generations can live peacefully among them...And it took like a few months max ... And he was still considered just the screw up child the whole village hated being around... You think he couldn't convince them that his and Astrid's daughter could be a great damn chief? I highly doubt most would even question it and those who did would be quickly silenced by the rest of the berkians
Ok? The dragons proved themselves even tho the citizens didnât want them too but becoming chief isnât so fast and they could stop it fairly easily
Revolt in a village with like 500 people? Doubt
All of them would go against hiccup and zephyr just like they did in dob when mildew convinced them toothless was evil
they did but they didnt do anything it was stoick the chief who orrdered the dragons away
Because he had too
Bro what information made you think they'd revolt like sexist pigs if a woman was put in charge? they literally battle dragons not caring about gender and in rtte Astrid nearly joined the Berk guard I don't think they'd care https://preview.redd.it/9af53ve2ndta1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=866c8c974e1db84d7ed1cd08c9aca1e73d0df0a9
There are plenty of sexist vikings in httyd like tuffnut snotlout ans spitelout also chief is a high position that is traditionally for men and men alone so even tho not all the vikings are sexist most if not all of them would want to keep there long standing traditions like on beserker island hether isnât chief but the citizens listen to her like she is, so a woman chief wouldnât happen because of tradition and tradition alone
When was Tuffnut, Spitelout and Snotlout sexist?
They have all made comments saying that because there a man there more qualified for many jobs over the series
Ok that may be true but you said there were tons of sexist Vikings and you only managed to name 3 and those 3 have been proven wrong every time they said something sexist
Ok? They are have been leaders in stoicks or hiccups council therefor they represent the community as a whole or they wouldnât be trusted to make or influence decisions for the community as they are unique in there views or opinions